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[08:00:20] ANDREW STEVENS, HOST: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. Welcome to News Stream.

China's President is set for his first state visit to the United States with cyber security high on the agenda. The scandal at Volkswagen

widens, almost half a million cars recalled in the U.S. after the automaker admits to cheating on an emissions test. And there daughter was accused of

defecting from North Korea, the story of the families left behind.

The United States is preparing to play host to two very important visitors just hours from now. One focuses on the need to care for the poor

and the oppressed, the other governs the world's second biggest economy, and brings with him an entourage of business leaders. The combined stock

market value of their companies approaches one trillion U.S. dollars.

We're going to be talking about Pope Francis's visit in just a few minutes, but first, Chinese President Xi Jinping is making his first state

visit to the United States. Well Mr. Xi will be meeting President Barrack Obama at the White House, but that's not his first stop. The CEOs of major

U.S. companies will be hosting Mr. Xi on Tuesday through Wednesday in Washington State. Among those he's planning to see, Microsoft's Satya

Nadella, Apple's Tim Cook, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, and Starbuck's Howard Schultz. And, as we told you, Mr. Xi will be joined by a group of top

Chinese business leaders, including Alibaba's Jack Ma.

Well let's get more now on the Presidential visit. We want to bring in Saima Mohsin and she joins us live from Beijing. Saima, as I said, the

first visit for the Chinese President, so many eyes on him. He's got the domestic audience to think about as well obviously. What's the message he

wants to send not just to the U.S. but to his people in China?

SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well Andrew, yes, this is both playing to the international and domestic audience, and what he

wants -- the message he wants to send back home but, China is a super power to be reckoned with, that China is making in roads to the United States,

but it's almost equal power. And that's why he's looking forward to sending images back of perhaps the state dinner hosted by President Obama and his

wife Michelle Obama. But also, focusing on tech, trade, collaboration with the United States, and that is why he's starting his trip with this rather

unusual visit to Seattle. He's going to be holding a number of summits with both 15 CEOs from both sides, the U.S. and China.

What he's really saying is look, we really need each other and the United States companies, no matter what their concerns are, are going to

have to speak to China. This is an area of collaboration for both, and that is a tone that a lot of Chinese officials have taken as well. Take a listen

to this, Andrew.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CUI TIANKAI, CHINA'S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S.: I believe that two countries have to focus on this common need, try to work out a set of

rules, or a joined approach to deal with this new issue, rather than accusing each other or having some conflicts, you know, confrontations.

BEN RHODES, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: What we're most focused on is trade secrets and the ability of businesses to operate

without the fear that they're going to be subjected to cyber attacks that steal their intellectual property.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MOHSIN: So make no mistake, Andrew, no matter what President Xi Jinping wants, cyber security and cyber espionage are at the top of the

agenda for the United States. They want it to stop and they want some kind of rules of engagement to be discussed. But of course, a lot of people

pointing out that China is not the only one responsible for that. There are a number of other countries, including the United States -- Andrew.

STEVENS: Yes, absolutely. And the President -- Barrack Obama has made it very clear, cyber security is a major issue in the U.S. Not the only

one, though, Saima. There's internet regulations in China. There's the military buildup of course in the East China Sea or the South China Sea.

These islands which are appearing, now there are runways being built on them. Realistically, are we going to get any movement from China on any of

these much more contentious issues?

[08:05:32] MOHSIN: Yeah there's a lot to be talked about from both sides that they want to address. You mention there the South China Sea,

Andrew. Just earlier this month satellite imagery showed that a third airstrip is being built on the perhaps aptly named Mischief Island, and

that is certainly something that the U.S. is concerned about. That is why the U.S. has been pushing Japan to up its military, we saw that

controversial security bill being passed last Friday and the protests against it over the weekend. So, the U.S. is still concerned about these

issues and it will, of course, bring it up.

China also wants to bring up the fact of fugitives. They've been trying to crack down on corruption. It has a number of people that are

believed to have fled to the United States it wants returned. The U.S. did reciprocate last week by returning one of those people, but will that

continue? There's a lot to toing and froing that needs to be discussed and before they went away, Chinese officials held a press conference saying

look, we have a lot that we want to speak about. Climate change, surprisingly, there is a huge smog around here and the United States and

China are two of the powers that really need to address this. Science, technology, trade, investment -- the Chinese officials are trying their

best to broaden it, but you can bet your bottom dollar it will always come down to cyber espionage as well as far as the United States is concerned --

Andrew.

STEVENS: Absolutely. And I guess some people will be quite surprised to know there actually have some common ground on the environment between

the U.S. and China.

But anyway, that will be an issue which will be discussed as Saima said. Saima, thanks so much for joining us. Saima Mohsin joining us there

live from Beijing.

Now, Pope Francis is celebrating his final mass in Cuba before he heads to the U.S. It's taking place right now inside the Basilica of El

Cobre. It's the pope's third mass in as many days.

Now Patrick Oppmann has been following the pope's travels in Cuba and he joins us now live from Havana.

How would you describe the trip that's been for the pope, Patrick.

PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think it's been a very arduous trip for the pope. We've seen him a number of times need help

walking up and down stairs. When he landed it seemed like he might have had a bit of a cold, but the enthusiasm of the crowds has carried him

through time and time again, Andrew. We've seen him stop, reach out, grab people's hands, have people carried their children in the room to receive

an impromptu blessing. This is what the pope said he wanted to do in Cuba. He wanted to connect with the Cuban people. And that seems to have

happened.

We've heard from the Vatican that the mass in Havana's Revolution Square was the largest mass of any the papal masses. It's impossible to

confirm that with the Cuban government, but there were all along his stops and his travels thousands of people reaching out to him. It has been quite

striking in a country that is not overwhelmingly religious throughout the history of the revolution. People who are religious that face

discrimination see this open worship of faith. It is quite a sight.

And now the pope is finishing up his final mass, we expect Fidel Castro is in attendance since he said he would be at all three of the

pope's masses. This is the holiest cite in Cuba, so while it's expected to be the smallest mass, it's probably going to be the one that has the most

residence. Where he is right now, we're in the Caridad del Cobre, the black Madonna of Cuba, the actual icon is much older than the country.

He'll be traveling later today to the United States, and we expect around noon the pope to get on a plane and, an American Airlines flight of

all things, and be the first pope to fly directly to the U.S. from Cuba, Andrew.

STEVENS: That's a good point, American Airlines slowly relations starting to be restored. Patrick, thanks so much. That's Patrick Oppman,

joining us live from Havana.

Now, it's been a story that has absolutely erupted across not just one company but an entire industry. Volkswagen now says that it's setting aside

seven billion dollars to cover the cost of a growing scandal over the rigging of pollution control in its diesel cars.

The German automaker says 11 million of its vehicles worldwide may have been involved, and now there's a growing list of countries in Asia,

Europe and North America, all considering launching probes into whether their emission test have also been fooled.

Now this comes as the boss of the German giants in the U.S. says that his company, in his own words, totally screwed up.

Well, for the latest let's go to CNN chief business correspondent, Christine Romans. She joins us live from New York, and, at this stage

Christine, you'd have to say that's just about an understatement.

[08:10:16] CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, and you don't hear words like that very often from, you know, carefully

spoken and well poised upper management of companies. To say we totally screwed up really shows you what kind of damage control mode this company

is in.

Let's talk about what's new here. We know that the company has ripped up its property forecast for the year, says it's setting aside more than 7

billion dollars to deal with the cost associated with this, and has launched an internal probe of its own. It has hired outsiders to launch a

probe. There are reports in the U.S. that the Justice Department is investigating. We know that an internal probe from Volkswagen has found

that their are differences between the readings of the road testing for emissions and then the test status of emissions. So, you can see that

they're really looking at a lot of cars here. 11 million cars that they are looking at.

You know, we talked to lots of people around the world who say they're going to look now at all kinds of different car companies, not just

Volkswagen, to make sure that this is not something that is wide spread -- a scandal that is more widespread than Volkswagen. The French finance

minister earlier today saying he wants all European automakers to be probed here. He doesn't think there is going to be anything outside of Volkswagen

but just to restore confidence in European cars.

He also was pretty bleak in why this is so important -- listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHEL SAPIN, FRENCH FINANCE MINISTER (through translator): This is subject is important because it is about pollution. We're not talking about

a light subject. This is not about performance or leather quality. It is about doing things to avoid people being poisoned by pollution. It is

serious and serious things call for reassurance.

We need to punish, if needed, to reassure, of course.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROMANS: I'll tell you Andrew, investors have been punished. The stock is down another 20 percent today. It was down, I think, 17 percent

yesterday. Since Friday, a quarter of the value of the company has been wiped away, and we are in the very early moments of what is sure to be a

long regulatory nightmare for Volkswagen -- Andrew.

STEVENS: Yeah, an absolute nightmare. How's it resonating in the U.S.? I mean, German car makers and Germany, generally, is seen as the

cutting edge of environmental issues in so many ways. So then, to sort of admit to what basically is fraudulent behavior, how's it resonating there?

ROMANS: You know, I'll make two points on that. Number one, you're right, German automakers have an incredibly great reputation in the United

States, and we're talking about household names. We're talking about the Gulf, the Beetle, the Passat. Also some Audis, by the way, among those

recalled vehicles.

The second point I would make is in the United States there is recall fatigue. Huge recall of those Takata airbags in Toyota vehicles if you

recall. The ignition switch issue. We also had the, you know, the acceleration issue in Toyota vehicles. So GM, Toyota, the Takata airbags,

and now this. You have millions of cars on the road right now in the United States that are under recall. So there is a bit of recall fatigue here.

But there is also outrage, recall outrage, among regulators and among lawmakers. I'm sure you're going to have Volkswagen executives dragged in

front of Capitol Hill for hearing on this because, quite frankly, the American public has suffered through so many of these recalls that you've

got regulators and lawmakers who are very, very upset.

STEVENS: And it's not just going to be the U.S. either. This spreads right across the world.

Christine, thanks so much.

ROMANS: You're welcome.

STEVENS: Christine Romans there, joining us from New York.

Still to come on this show, in the next few minutes we'll take you to Brussels. E.U. ministers there are soon to begin talks about how to solve

the continents worst migrant crisis since the Second World War.

And, the Pentagon response after U.S. soldiers say they were ordered to ignore sexual abuse of children by Afghan troops.

Plus, the U.N. says it's found evidence of numerous crimes against humanity in North Korea. A little later this hour we've got a live report

from inside the Hermit Kingdom. Stay with us.

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[08:16:00] STEVENS: Welcome back.

Now in just a few minutes, European ministers are expected to begin discussing how best to tackle a growing migrant crisis. They're gathering

now in Brussels, countries disagree on what to do about the influx of people seeking refuge in Europe with some opposing the idea of mandatory

quotas.

The International Organization for Migration says more than 475,000 migrants have crossed via boat into Europe so far this year, more than

double last year's number.

Now the talks today are an attempt to form a consensus before an emergency meeting of EU leaders on Wednesday. Let's head straight to

Brussels now.

Our international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson joins us from Brussels.

Nic, this is such a contentious issue. There are clear divides between what European countries want to see. What chance of some sort of

coming together here?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's an awful amount of pressure, both public pressure and political pressure, to

find a solution. This is a catastrophe that is happening on Europe's doorstep. It's happening inside Europe. It's happening in slow motion.

The leaders have been there to see this coming.

Now, the figure you talk about there, close to half a million migrants or refugees flooding into Europe so far this year, the talks here are only

aimed at resolving and finding quotas for about 120,000. And if you think that it was in May this year, the middle of May this year when these

European countries began discussing whether or not they should take 40,000 migrants. And it was only just last week when they agreed to implement

that decision to take 40,000 migrants you see how slow this process works, but the pressure has been mounting just in the last couple of months. July

and August alone, an estimated quarter of a million refugees have flooded in.

Germany opened its doors, but Germany already finds itself, if you will, stretched to find accommodation. Teachers, et cetera, to support

this large number of refugees that it's taking in

And you have the frontline states like Hungary, like the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland -- not a frontline state, if you will, in terms

of these refugees -- but these countries resisting having quotas. Britain has aid outright it doesn't believe quotas are the right way to go.

So, there is a wide divergence on views, on how to resolve this, but even if you just take the terms of what is going to be discussed here --

about 120,000 additional -- that is not going to solve the problem that is arriving here already -- Andrew.

STEVENS: As you say, Nic, a catastrophe in the making a slow motion making at that.

Just getting news into us, too, this is from the head of German intelligence who are saying that hardline Muslims are recruiting refugees

just newly arrived into Germany. What do you know about that?

ROBERTSON: Well, there's certainly concern for counterterrorism agencies all across Europe. The fear is hat inside the influx of refugees

and migrants there will be people who have sympathies with the hardline Islamists like ISIS, and certainly ISIS would try to take advantage of a

situation like this. There had been concerns that ISIS would sort of use a flood of refugees to infiltrate, get into Europe. That really doesn't

stand the test of common sense to a large degree, because the root of the refugees is highly precarious, it's not always certain. And certainly the

ISIS members would have networked within different countries in Europe that they could move between.

The French have already seen how ISIS in France is trying to direct plots -- ISIS members in Turkey are trying to direct plots in France.

So, those are the networks that perhaps pose the really bigger challenge and threat, but of course it is a concern when taking in so many

people that groups like ISIS will try and take advantage. And ISIS, for sure, has made very clear to all its followers it would like to target

inside Europe, Andrew.

STEVENS: Nic Robertson, international diplomatic editor, thanks so much for joining us. Nic joining us there from Brussels.

We're just getting this coming into us here at CNN. The German rail company Deutsche Bahn tells CNN that it has suspended all train services

now between Munich, Salzburg and Budapest until October 4, a little under two weeks from now.

Munich's main train station has been one of the main entry points for migrants since the crisis started.

Now still to come here on News Stream, a young North Korean woman disappears while working abroad. Some suspect she defected. But her

family insists she must have been abducted. A rare report from inside North Korea just ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

STEVENS: Live pictures there. Pope Francis celebrating the final mass of his Cuba trip before he heads to the United States.

This is coming from the Basilica of el Cobre. It is the pope's third mass in as many days. He leaves for Washington a little later this

afternoon. A grueling schedule.

Now, the Pentagon denies that it ordered U.S. forces to ignore sexual abuse of minors by Afghans. But The New York Times is reporting not only

were U.S. service members told not to intervene in the abuse of boys, some were punished when they did.

Our Jack Tapper has details.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They're called dancing boys, tea boys, or by many who have had to turn a blind eye to them, Afghan

sex slaves. A subculture of batchabazi (ph), or boy play, is widely known in Afghanistan. But for U.S. service members there, the abuse of these

children is infuriatingly hard to stop, especially when the abuse comes from American-backed Afghan commanders there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): I had a boy because every commander had one.

TAPPER: In a 2010 PBS documentary, a former Afghan commander of the Northern Alliance spoke openly, shamelessly, about this sick practice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): If I didn't have a boy, I couldn't compete with the others.

TAPPER: Today "The New York Times" reports that the American military stands accused of ordering troops to purposely turn a blind eye to the

abuse in order to maintain good relations with Afghan forces.

CAPT. DAN QUINN, U.S. ARMY (RET.): The reason we weren't able to step in with these local rape cases was we didn't want to undermine the

authority of the local government. We were trying to build up the local government. Us acting after the local government fails to can certainly

undermine their credibility.

TAPPER: Retired U.S. Army Captain Dan Quinn tells CNN that he and Sergeant First Class Charles Martland were punished for confronting an

admitted Afghan child rapist, a police commander.

QUINN: The confrontation became physical. I picked him up, threw him onto the ground multiple times. And Charles did the same thing. And

basically had to make sure that he fully understood that he ever went near that boy or his mother again, there was going to be hell to pay.

TAPPER: Quinn says he and Martland were relieved of their duties shortly thereafter. Martland is being involuntarily separated now from the

army.

JESSICA STERN, TERRORISM EXPERT: I think the fear is that if we were to intervene, we wouldn't have the kind of close working relationship that

we need with Afghan military.

TAPPER: Terrorism expert Jessica Stern says this is far from an isolated incident. She's spoken to several service members who say they

were disturbed by what they saw.

STERN: They must have felt that they couldn't respond in the way they would have liked to. It was clearly a very painful subject.

TAPPER: Congressman and veteran Duncan Hunter, a Republican from California, is trying to save Martland's career, writing to Defense

Secretary Ash Carter saying, quote, "Martland stood up to a child rapist. I trust you will give the case the attention it demands."

A Pentagon spokesperson told CNN today, "We have never had a policy in place that directs any military member or any government personnel overseas

to ignore human rights abuses. Any sexual abuse is completely unacceptable and reprehensible."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: Jake Tapper reporting there.

And we've since heard from the Afghan interior ministry. A spokesman says that cases of sexual abuse used to be a problem, especially among the

Afghan local police, but that has changed. He says the government cracked down by discharging offenders and making several arrests.

Now, two Canadians, a Norwegian and a Filipina woman have been kidnapped from a resort of the southern Philippines. State media reports

that they were taken on Monday night on Samal Island when 11 armed suspects raided the resort.

Right now Philippine officials say there are no indications the kidnappings were carried out by the terrorist organization known as Abu

Sayyaf.

Now you're watching News Stream. Still to come on the show, we head to North Korea. The parents of a young woman claim that she was abducted

abroad, but was she really?

Plus, these men go through months of training to tackle their toughest enemies. We'll take you to the front line of South Africa's fight against

rhino poachers.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:31:40] STEVENS: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream and these are your world headlines.

The Chinese President Xi Jinping is kicking off his first state visit to the U.S. in a few hours from now. He'll begin in Seattle where he'll be

welcomed by the CEOs of several big U.S. companies, including Microsoft and Starbucks. Later this week, he'll be traveling to Washington to meet the

President Barack Obama at the White House.

Pope Francis is celebrating mass before he heads to the United States. You're looking at live pictures here of the Basilica of El Cobre. It is

the pope's final mass in Cuba before he heads to Washington later today.

European ministers are sitting down now in Brussels to try to reach a consensus on how to handle the influx of migrants and refugees flowing into

Europe. Some countries are opposed to the idea of quotas. Croatia now says 35,000 migrants have crossed its borders since the country began

allowing them in.

Volkswagen says its setting aside $7 billion to cover the cost of a growing scandal over the rigging of emission tests in its Diesel engine

cars. The German automaker says 11 million of its vehicles worldwide may be involved. There's a g rowing list of countries now considering

launching probes into whether their emission tests were also fooled.

Now, let's go to North Korea. CNN's Will Ripley was recently invited to meet the parents of a woman suspected of defecting from the country.

That visit by Will took place in the presence of government officials.

Well, let's go to Will now. He joins us live. He's still in North Korea. He's in the capital Pyongyang.

Will, tell us what the family is saying to you.

WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, what they're saying is, is that they are victims of what they believe is an

international kidnapping.

Now this is an interesting time for this story to come out, considering that the United Nations council on human rights just held a

meeting. And they discussed the issue of international kidnappings, accusing North Korea of taking citizens from a number of different

countries, forcing them to come here and then not revealing any information to their families. Some of these cases go back to the Gulf War. It's been

an issue that's created friction between North Korea and Japan, among other countries.

But in this case you have a North Korean family who say their daughter went to go work abroad and she was taken.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

(on camera): Sightseeing, yes.

RIPLEY (voice-over): This room could belong to any young girl. Full of stuffed animals, figurines.

(on camera): She loves Snow White, obviously.

(voice-over): Memories most would share on Facebook today, kept the old-fashioned way here in North Korea, a nation mostly without Internet,

where kids still write letters home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

RIPLEY: Like this one Moon Su Keung (ph), a young waitress at this state-owned restaurant in Cambodia, now closed, telling her parents in

Pyongyang, she was just weeks from coming home, her last letter before she disappeared.

"I couldn't believe it," her mother says. "I wouldn't believe it when I first got the news because I strongly trusted and still trust her."

Only the most loyal North Koreans are selected to work abroad at state-owned businesses, often for three or four years, without coming

home.

Co-workers say Moon was kidnapped by regular customers who befriended her, South Korean spies, who forced her into a car and drove away. CNN

can't independently verify the claims, which a South Korean government official called completely groundless.

(on camera): Does it cross your mind that she may have left willingly? (voice-over): "Absolutely not," her father says. "She was only 20 when she

disappeared. She wasn't fully independent."

Moon's parents say she must have been abducted or deceived, a claim we often here from families of North Koreans that disappear. Tens of thousands

of defectors have fled south since the late 1990s, many telling horror stories of persecution and abuse in the North.

The North Korean regime says they're criminals covering up their past or victims forced to lie about their homeland to survive.

But those claims are at odds with the findings of the United Nations, which cites hundreds of deflectors in a scathing report on human rights

abuses in North Korea.

(on camera): How often do you come to your daughter's room?

(voice-over): "Every day I come home from work and I go to her room to see if anything has changed, if she's come home."

Moon's parents haven't heard from her in four years. They still keep her university uniforms pressed and ready, just in case.

"I strongly believe you were deceived into going down there. I trust you," she tells her daughter. "Your parents will be here, waiting for you,

until the end of our lives."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[08:36:41] RIPLEY: And there are thousands of families on the Korean peninsula who were divided, people in the north and the south who have no

way of even legally communicating with each other. But this young woman hasn't resurfaced in South Korea. It's not clear she actually went there.

And unlike a lot of defectors who say they were fleeing their country because of conditions in these alleged political camps where there was, you

know, things like rape and forced abortions, torture, really bad conditions. You look in her parent's home, it's a relatively upscale flat

here in Pyongyang. Her father is a police officer, her mother is an artist, not the kind of life that typically defectors say they might be

afraid to go back to, which makes her disappearance that much more mysterious -- Andrew.

ANDERSON: OK, Will, thanks very much for that.

Will Ripley joining us live from the North Korean capital Pyongyang.

It's world rhino day, but for Africa's black rhinos, there's not much to celebrate. Poachers have caused their numbers to plummet and plummet

dramatically. We'll tell you what's being done to save them in just a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

STEVENS: Africa's rhino population has plummeted in the last few years. Conservationists say that's because of the demand for rhino horn in

some countries in Asia.

Now South Africa is using paramilitary tactics to protect the animals. CNN's David McKenzie spent a night out on patrol. And a warning here, his

report does contain some disturbing images.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Heavily armed rangers in South Africa looking for rhino poachers, but searching everyone.

They've come to lay a trap.

MARK PRESTON, PROTRACK ANTI-POACHING: As far as I've been told, they're coming this way. They're going to be chased this way. And I'm

going to box them in here.

MCKENZIE: Here, conservation is looking a lot more like a bush war.

[08:40:05] CHEYNE VAN ROOYEN, PROTRACK ANTI-POACHING: We've always try to look and try to put ourselves into the poacher's shoes and trying to

think like a poacher.

MCKENZIE: To do that, Rangers like Josiah Malloy (ph) train for months to read the signs of the bush.

He's saying that anything out of the ordinary, it's important to look out for it and call it in, because this is out in the bush. Litter,

footprints, broken branches, it all could mean that poachers are around.

Poachers normally work in small groups with a heavy caliber weapon to shoot the rhino, small arms to protect against rangers.

Sometimes they hack the horns while the rhino is still alive.

Those horns are more valuable than gold, fueled by Asian demand where they are falsely believed to have medicinal qualities.

And the poachers are moving deeper into South Africa. No longer confined to the country's eastern border, the war is now coming from

within.

VINCENT B ARKAS, PROBACK ANTI-POACHING: Unfortunately, the feet from the ground with a gun that kill a poacher, I believe is the wrong way

forward. We're causing more resentment, more hatred towards our wildlife, towards conservation as a whole than we are any good.

MCKENZIE: But he says all they can do now is train like a military force, and fight fire with fire. But they're outmanned, outgunned, and

often out-maneuvered.

PRESTON: Sometimes the information is good and you knock the guys. But it doesn't happen every day.

MCKENZIE: No arrests tonight, but no rhinos taken.

David McKenzie, CNN, Baluli (ph), South Africa.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: Disturbing story there.

Now, switching gears, fans of Taylor Swift are experiencing some major deja vu. Singer songwriter Ryan Adams has released a full fledged cover

version of her hit album 1989. Although he doesn't have Swift's worldwide fanbase, Adams has been around for quite some time. Adams has released

several critically acclaimed albums over a prolific career.

And that is News Stream. Thanks for joining me. I'm Andrew Stevens. Please stay with us. World Sport with Amanda Davies is just ahead.

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