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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Investigation into the death of a popular young female doctor-slash-mom, a former Miss America
Junior Miss, found dead in the doorway of a luxury high-rise.
Bombshell now. Reports closed-circuit TV catches two unknown men dragging her body down interior stairs. Another man, who we think calls
911, dashes away from EMTs, and a woman spotted on video kneeling and praying beside the body, then vanishes.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The married mother of three, chief of dermatology Kiersten Rickenbock (ph) Cerveny, was found dead with bruising
around her neck. Her body was found sprawled by the front door of this fifth floor walk-up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw a foot with no shoe and no sock.
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GRACE: And live, a jilted girlfriend poured deadly acid on her ex while she sits behind him on a motorbike. But as he screams in pain, so
does she. Crime doesn`t pay. She doesn`t take into account the burning acid would blow onto her face, too.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An attack of revenge turned into an act of self- mutilation as a woman who allegedly threw acid at her ex-boyfriend was herself badly burned as the acid splashed back and hit her in the face.
She is now a wanted fugitive.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live to a sleepy Tennessee town, where a woman goes on a Facebook murder frenzy after she`s de-friended.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Tennessee couple was murdered after un-friending a woman on Facebook. Police say that was the last straw. The father and
boyfriend went to the victims` home, killing both of them, leaving their 7- month-old son alive in his mother`s dead arms.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Caught on video, the shocking moment two women viciously attack a man, dragging him into the road, all to steal his wallet and phone
in a brutal attack. We have the video. Tonight, can you identify the two women?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Video reveals the shocking moment two women brutally beat and rob a man on the street caught on tape. The women don`t
even seem concerned when another person walks by as the robbery is taking place.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We go live to the tri-state area, where a nurse allegedly recycles flu shot syringes? Are nearly 70 people now at risk for HIV?
Hello. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell now. Investigation into the death of a popular young female doctor-slash-mom, a former Miss America Junior Miss. She`s found dead in
the front of a doorway of a luxury high-rise. Reports closed-circuit TV catches two unknown men dragging the mom`s body down the interior stairs of
the building. Another man, we think, calls 911, then dashes away from EMTs. And a woman, a mystery woman, spotted on video kneeling and praying
beside the doctor-mom`s body, and then she, too, vanishes.
Straight out to Noam Laden joining us from WABC. Noam, thank you for being with us. First of all, I want to hear about the condition of
Kiersten Cerveny`s body. She`s a mom of three. She`s a very popular dermatologist. She`s a former Junior Miss America.
Tell me about her body. First of all, was she clothed? Did she have clothes on?
NOAM LADEN, WABC RADIO (via telephone): Well, she did have clothes on, but she was missing underwear. And they found the underwear that she
was wearing in her purse. So that was the first of all. And then second of all, she had bruising on her neck.
GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing pageant video obtained by "Inside Edition." This is her when she`s still a fresh-faced youth actually
winning the beauty and talent pageant, to end -- to have her life ended in this way, in her 30s, the mom of three, dead on a doorstep, her underwear
gone.
Noam Laden joining me, anchor with WABC. Noam, you say that she was bruised, her underwear gone. What can you tell me about closed-circuit TV
video that has emerged of two men dragging her down the steps?
LADEN: Well, this is what police are telling us, that the two men who dragged her down the steps were the two men who were likely partying with
her on that night, and they may have been dragging her body down to get a cab and then take her to the hospital.
But for some reason, at some point, they leave her body in the vestibule of this building, call 911, and then take off.
[20:05:16]GRACE: Well, you know what? That doesn`t make sense to me. They`re partying, as you say, Noam Laden, but they walk away alive and
she`s dead with no underwear and bruises on her body? yes, that doesn`t sound like much of a party to me.
So the two of them leave? Are one of these men the one that called 911? Do we know that?
LADEN: Well, it`s not 100 percent clear, but it seems that may not have been either of these men that she was partying with who called 911.
It may have been a passer-by who saw her body lying in that vestibule, and then she dropped a time. She called the cops.
GRACE: OK, hold on. Justin Freiman, who is Marc Henry Johnson? Did he call 911? And how does he play into this scenario?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, we do believe that he did call 911 at some point. The question is, was it before
or after the authorities arrived there?
GRACE: OK, who is Marc Henry Johnson? Who is he, Justin?
FREIMAN: Nancy, he`s a producer who`s done a lot of work with HBO.
GRACE: Oh, OK, so he`s the HBO producer.
Let`s point out right now, Joseph Scott Morgan, we don`t believe that this was a murder. We are thinking -- we`re hearing that there was
partying going on. But if this woman had been -- if she had voluntarily used drugs or alcohol, Joe, how long would it take her to die?
I mean, with people standing around didn`t -- would she just suddenly -- if it`s not a heart attack, would she just suddenly keel over, or would
they have a warning? At what point do you not drag her body down the front steps and leave it at the front door, why not just call 911 and try to
revive her? I mean, how much notice would they have had? Did her lips turn blue? Did she turn blue? Did she have seizures? What would have
happened?
JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: Well, Nancy, this might not be a homicide, but it sure does reek of callous indifference.
What`s going to happen is that she`s going to go through the early throes of death, where you will see probably hyperventilation. She might
have a severe headache, nausea, vomiting, and she might be having chest palpitations with her heart because let`s keep in mind cocaine is, in fact,
a stimulant. It`s very important to understand that toxicology in this case is going to be the key.
GRACE: Well, let me ask you this. Joseph Scott Morgan, if you are, in fact, using drugs or alcohol, whether it`s voluntary or not, how do your
underwear go missing? That`s another piece of the puzzle I don`t quite get. So her underwear is missing. They don`t call 911, if this is
voluntary use of drugs or alcohol. So how much time, notice did they have something`s gone horribly wrong?
MORGAN: Yes, it has gone horribly wrong, Nancy, and I think that probably relative to the underwear, we`ve got one of two scenarios. Either
she took them off voluntarily and perhaps she`s engaging in some kind of sexual play, or perhaps, if they have her incapacitated vis-a-vis the
drugs, the alcohol that she has on board, maybe they took the underwear off of her.
My suspicion, though, since they were placed into her purse, it`s more -- more of a chance that she would have done this herself. But still,
there`s big questions to be asked here.
GRACE: Well, I agree with you that -- with that on -- Joseph Scott Morgan, because if this were a sex attack, I hardly think that they`re
going to take her underwear and fold it up neatly and put it in her under - - in her -- in her pocketbook. I`ve never seen a sex assault case where that happened. No, that -- you`re right about that. Good call, Joe Scott
Morgan.
Noam Laden, nobody has been named criminally in this. Nobody is a suspect. It`s basically, nobody knows nothing, right? What building was
this? Who lived there? Did anybody they know live there?
LADEN: Well, what we know from Dr. Cerveny is that she knew, you know, this (INAUDIBLE) this HBO producer that you cited. She knew him and
knew him maybe for a number of years. He`s known as this party animal.
GRACE: Noam, who is a party animal? And listen, I`m exhausted by 9:00 o`clock at night, so I can`t really relate to that. But party animal
is not a felony, the last time I looked. So when you go, Oh, he`s known as a party animal -- who`s known as a party animal, and why?
LADEN: I`m talking about Marc Johnson, this HBO producer who she hooked up with at 2:00 in the morning out at this bar.
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! How do you know that? Because I don`t know that. Has he ever been charged and convicted with
anything?
LADEN: He`s never been charged or convicted of anything, but he`s known on the party circuit as a guy who likes to party.
[20:10:05]GRACE: OK, there`s a big difference partying and going out and being in nightclubs and using illegal drugs, OK? Let`s just put that
out there.
But I will say this. If what we are hearing is true and she died with illegal drugs in her system, who knew about it, and where did the drugs
come from? Can I get back to who lives here?
LADEN: You know, police really tight-lipped about this case. There`s one report, and we couldn`t confirm it, that a cocaine dealer lived in this
apartment, another report that the cab driver who drove them to this apartment lived in that apartment.
GRACE: OK, that`s where I`m losing the logic, Justin Freiman. Who do we believe lived there? Wasn`t somebody`s wife asleep in another room? I
mean, she doesn`t live there. Kiersten Cerveny, the former Miss America Junior Miss doesn`t live there. She lives with her three children and her
husband about an hour-and-a-half, two hours away.
You`re seeing video obtained by "Inside Edition," a pageant video.
So Justin, any leads on who lived there?
FREIMAN: Yes, we believe that the TV producer, the HBO producer, is the person who lives in the building.
GRACE: OK, let me ask you this. Justin, where does the case stand right now?
FREIMAN: OK, right now, Nancy, they are trying to narrow down the cause of death. The medical examiner tells us they are awaiting the
toxicology results.
GRACE: Well, we don`t even know COD yet, cause of death. All right, we`ve got to put everything -- everything`s got to come to a screeching
halt until I can get some kind of forensics because what if I found out she`s asphyxiated? What if the petechiae in her eye are burst? I mean, it
could be anything right now.
Unleash the lawyers, Alex Sanchez, veteran trial lawyer out of New York, and Andell Brown, trial lawyer, defense attorney out of Miami.
All right, Alex Sanchez, in our jurisprudence system, you can watch somebody die and not lift a pinkie, and you`re not going to get charged.
Would you agree with me on that?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, you know, sex, drugs and rock-and-roll is all, you know, fun and games until it turns bad.
And it turned bad in this particular case.
But in this particular case, Nancy, this woman`s a doctor, isn`t she? Didn`t she go to medical school? Wasn`t she aware that if you were to use
illegal substances, maybe you can cause some harm to yourself? I don`t know if it`s...
GRACE: I think I asked you about...
SANCHEZ: ... appropriate or fair...
GRACE: ... a pinkie.
SANCHEZ: ... to start blaming other people at this point...
GRACE: OK, Andell Brown --
SANCHEZ: ... when you`ve engaged in irresponsible behavior.
GRACE: Andell Brown, the whole premise of my question was that in our jurisprudence system, which is brought over from Great Britain, part of our
common law, is that we, all of us, don`t have a civil or criminal duty, except under certain circumstances, to save anybody.
It`s not their fault under our law. If they stood there and did nothing, they still couldn`t be charged.
ANDELL BROWN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, as bad as that sounds, you`re absolutely right. There is no duty to rescue another person. Here we have
a case where it seems that life is imitating art. This sounds like it`s straight out of a whodunnit movie because we`re trying to figure out what
happened, who did what, and what caused this doctor`s death.
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[20:17:30]GRACE: A jilted girlfriend pouring deadly acid on her ex while she sits behind him on a motorbike. But as he screams in pain, so
does she. The lesson? Crime doesn`t pay. She doesn`t take into account the burning acid would blow back onto her face, too.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 21-year-old woman and her 23-year-old ex were riding on his motorcycle when police say she reached around and threw acid
at him, causing him to lose control and crash the motorbike. He was transported to the hospital, but his attacker reportedly ran away. And now
police are searching for her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Candace Trunzo, senior news editor, Dailymail.com, I guess she can`t really claim "I didn`t do it" because how else can she explain the
acid on her face, as well? And she has not been arrested. She is still at large. It`s my understanding -- Candace, let`s start at the beginning.
What happened?
CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): OK, so you have this couple, you know, young people in their 20s, they`re very much in love, and
he breaks up with her because his family thinks that she`s not suitable for him. Apparently, she`s had some arrests, a jewelry theft perhaps, drugs
definitely, and the family really puts pressure on him to break up with her, which he does.
And then a few days later, he takes her for a ride on his motorbike, and she is seeking revenge for the breakup. She has a bottle of acid. She
goes to pour it over his head, over his helmet, and the acid blows back, and she is hurt really badly.
Then he crashes the bike, and she has to -- and she decides that she isn`t going to stick around because she`s going to get caught. She runs
away.
GRACE: So she leaves him there, burning with acid?
TRUNZO: She left him there burning with acid, and they can`t find her anywhere. They think that she has gone to some kind of private hospital or
facility. Perhaps her parents have put her in a place because she`s got burns, too. In fact, she`s burned I think worse than he is, Nancy.
GRACE: So Ung Limey on the run, essentially, we think being hidden, likely by her family. And she leaves the ex-boyfriend lying there after a
motorcycle crash, after he`s been covered in acid that she pours on him, according to reports, pours on him after he breaks up with her.
Dr. Tim Gallagher joining us out of Daytona Beach, forensic pathologist. Dr. Gallagher, thanks for being with us. Question to you.
What type of acid would cause these burns on him?
[20:20:12]DR. TIM GALLAGHER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST (via telephone): Well, there are several types of acid that are inexpensive and readily
available. Hydrochloric acid, battery acid can be bought at any auto parts store. Or muriatic acid, which can be bought at any pool supply store,
locally available.
GRACE: So what would the victim go through? He`s on a motorcycle. The wind is blowing, she apparently blows it down his head because his
scalp is almost gone. He`s burned horribly from under his neck -- I`m not quite sure how she did it, but she had it at the ready. As soon as they
take off, she uses it on him.
He did not have on a helmet, according to our understanding. From the neck down to where his jacket was zipped up, he is burned horribly-
horribly. They also think some of this is on his face, which we are blacking out. But what would he have endured?
GALLAGHER: Well, the acid going into his eyes would definitely cause blindness, causing him to lose control of his motorbike and then have an
accident. That could lead to other injuries. But certainly, the acid had dissolved some muscle and the nerves of his face and his neck, making it
almost impossible to turn one way or the other.
GRACE: And how will it be treated? Can it be reversed in any way?
GALLAGHER: You would have to use debridement, meaning to remove the dead skin, and to also use skin grafting to attempt to repair the damage.
GRACE: She`s still on the run. Dr. Gallagher, why is it that so many burn victims die? Is it from infection?
GALLAGHER: It`s quite often after days and days of being in the hospital, the wounds do get infected. The infection goes into the
bloodstream, and the infection goes into the organs. You`ll have a lot of organs shutting down, causing death.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:10]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In an incident that can only be described as bizarre, a woman is wanted for allegedly attacking her ex-
boyfriend with acid. But in a surprise twist, much of that acid apparently splashed back into her own face.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In addition to Caryn Stark, psychologist joining me out of New York, Andell Brown is with us from Miami, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney
out of New York.
Caryn Stark, it just a amazes me. She had to realize he would crash the motorcycle after she pours acid on her ex-boyfriend. And of course,
this goes back to Mommy knows best. His family told him, Leave her alone, pressured him into breaking up with her. She could not accept that, and
instead of wreaking havoc on the parents, takes it out on him.
Help me get some insight into this.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: It`s impulsive, Nancy. Here`s a young person who didn`t even think about the consequences of her action. You
know that saying, "Revenge is a dish that is best served cold"? Well, the reason they say that is because you need to think about what you`re doing
if you want to get revenge.
And here is somebody who was so impulsive that she didn`t consider the fact that on a motorcycle, the air would definitely make the acid blow back
into her face.
GRACE: Well, and the other thing...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Another question is -- we always hear this. There`s a fine line between love and hate. And I never really knew to whom to attribute
that, but here, her hate so quickly ignited from what was once such intense love. How does that work?
STARK: I don`t know that we can really say she was in love, Nancy, because somebody who`s capable of this kind of a crime isn`t somebody who
has those kind of feelings. I think it`s all about her, and he hurt her. And what`s interesting is that she didn`t try to go after his family,
either. And now she`s suffering as much as he`s suffering.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Alex Sanchez, New York, Andell Brown out of Miami. All right, Alex Sanchez, in a normal world, she would already
have been apprehended and she`d be behind bars or she`d be in the medical unit at a jail right now. But she went on the run, possibly with the help
of her own parents.
So what crimes, what charges is she looking at? And what about her parents if they are harboring a fugitive?
SANCHEZ: Well, first of all, she may be facing attempted murder charges...
GRACE: Right.
SANCHEZ: ... certainly assault charges, although this case to me looks like it may have been some form of attempted suicide. She wanted to
kill herself...
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord in heaven.
SANCHEZ: ... as well as the boyfriend by initiating a car accident. But the parents can also be arrested for facilitating her escape. I don`t
know how she can stay secreted for so long with all these scars. I mean, She needs medical attention.
GRACE: Yes, you know, she`s got be having help, Andell, not to be found out. And another issue is this is not a spur of the moment crime.
She had to go procure acid. You just heard Dr. Gallagher explain, to get muriatic acid, some type of -- many acids can be obtained over the counter.
You can go get them. They`re not hard to get.
But the fact is, she had to use premeditation and planning in order to get it, and then un-stopper it and pour it on him. So this is absolutely a
premeditated act. There`s no way it can be accident. She`s looking at attempted murder, Andell.
ANDELL BROWN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it sounds like she had a plan, but obviously, she`s not the sharpest tool in the shed. She`s never heard
of wind. She thinks throwing acid on someone`s face while they`re riding a motorcycle is a good idea. And to make things worse, after she allegedly
commits this crime, she posted pictures of her in her bandages on social media.
GRACE: Wait! Put him up, please.
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(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Andel and Alex Sanchez. Maybe we went to different law schools, but stupid has never been a defense under the law, Andel Brown.
You`re saying she`s not the sharpest knife, so what. It doesn`t matter. That`s not a defense.
SANCHEZ: Nancy, this case--
BROWN: It`s not a defense, but obviously that`s what`s going on here.
GRACE: That`s what you said.
(CROSSTALK)
SANCHEZ: There`s no big mystery here. She`s a person with extreme emotional disturbance. That`s the defense in this case.
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GRACE: Now live to a sleepy Tennessee town, where a woman goes on a Facebook murder frenzy after she is defriended.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Janelle Potter had a big crush on Bill Cain (ph). When the couple defriended Potter on Facebook, Potter plotted to murder the
couple as a result. Using emails from a fake alias, Potter convinced her father, mother and boyfriend that she was being harassed and threatened by
Hayworth, who needed to be taken out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Old words apply to this tangled scenario. Did a young woman go on a murder
frenzy, gunning down two because she was defriended on Facebook? Well, that`s what police were saying. Straight out to Mark Starling, morning
show host and news director of WWNC. Mark Starling, the tricky part is that under the police theory, Janelle Potter never lifted a finger.
Instead she stirred the pot, and she incited her father and boyfriend to kill her ex, the guy she used to have a crush on, Billy Payne. Is that how
it worked?
MARK STARLING, WWNC: Yes, Nancy. This is one of those cases that you actually need a flow chart to kind of follow. It`s more screwed up than a
soup sandwich. Essentially what we have here is we have a 30-year-old daughter, Janelle, and her 68-year-old mother Barbara, who plotted to have
this young couple killed, because as you said, she was claiming they were harassing her on Facebook and they defriended her on Facebook. She was
deleted off of the couple`s Facebook account. The catch, though, the father of Janelle and her boyfriend are the ones that are actually accused
of killing, they are the ones --
GRACE: Another thing, Mark. This is the fact I want to start with, Mark Starling. Let`s start with the fact that the female victim in this
case, Billy Jean Hayworth, this all begins -- the tipping point is when Janelle Potter`s love object -- I don`t know that they ever even dated,
Billy Payne, but she was obsessed with this guy. When he fell in love with Hayworth and then they had a child, here`s the important part. Hayworth is
found shot dead right there in her own home, and in her arms -- listen to this -- her seven-month-old baby boy, screaming, is found in his dead
mother`s arms. Let`s just start with that. Okay? Now we`ll fill in the rest of the pieces. From what I`m reading in this complicated scenario,
Mark Starling, she creates a fake identity online of Chris. And Chris writes her mother over and over and gets the mother and the father so
stirred up that she`s being targeted by this couple, they go kill them. Is that what happened?
STARLING: That -- in a roundabout sort of way. And you know, Nancy, it wasn`t just one persona that she created online. She created several
online. And eventually police were able to track those e-mails back to her IP address.
GRACE: You are seeing Billy Jean Hayworth and Bill Payne and their seven-month-old baby boy. Bill`s throat also brutally slashed. The seven-
month-old baby boy found alive in his dead mother`s arms, all because they unfriended Janelle Potter on Facebook. You know, Matt Zarrell, hold on,
we`re going to be joined in about a minute by Janelle Potter`s defense lawyer, Cameron Hyder. But you know, Matt Zarrell, when you don`t know a
horse, look at her track record. There would be points when another woman had actually taken out a TRO against Janelle Potter, Tara Osborne, because
Tara defriended this girl. She bombarded her online to where Tara Osborne had to take out a restraining order over a defriending. There were other
instances -- am I not right, Matt? Tell me if I`m wrong -- where when she, Janelle Potter, was defriended or blocked from somebody`s profile, she
would get so angry and agitated, her parents would call the police.
ZARRELL: Apparently from what authorities have determined, she had a history of getting furious with people who unfriended her on Facebook. And
Nancy, you`re right, police actually said they received complaints from Janelle Potter`s parents when the daughter was blocked from other people`s
social networking profiles.
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GRACE: Now Cameron Hyder is joining us, a veteran trial lawyer. Remember, this takes place in a town of 2,500 people, Mountain City,
Tennessee. This type of murder frenzy is almost unheard of. Cameron Hyder, thank you for being with us.
CAMERON HYDER, ATTORNEY: Thank you, Ms. Grace, it`s a pleasure to be with you today.
GRACE: Cameron Hyder, you`ve got your work cut out for you on this one, but I know your client never pulled the trigger. Give us your best
defense.
HYDER: My client has maintained her innocence. Our position has been, and always will be, as we pursue all the appropriate legal avenues
that Marvin Potter and Jamie Hurd (ph) by their own volition committed these heinous crimes. But we are -- these tragic, heinous, horrible
crimes. This was a web, as you said, but it does not land in the lap of Janelle Potter. She`s not responsible.
GRACE: Caryn Stark, let me go back to you. Also with us, Alex Sanchez and Andel Brown. Caryn, can you be so addicted to Facebook and
texting and the whole social media world you basically lose touch with reality? I guarantee you that`s going to turn into a legitimate defense at
trial.
STARK: They`re going to try, Nancy, and people are definitely addicted to Facebook. But in this case, you`re talking about an extreme
example of somebody who can`t handle rejection. So that is not your average person who is addicted to Facebook, even if they love to go on.
This is somebody who has emotional problems, and the idea that anybody is going to defriend her is going to lead her to want to take extreme -- to
make things extremely complicated.
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GRACE: Caught on video. The shocking moment two women viciously attack a man, dragging him into the road, all just to steal his wallet and
phone. It is a brutal attack. We have the video tonight. Can you identify these two women?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The video reveals the shocking moment two women brutally beat and rob a man on the street. Caught on tape, the women don`t
even seem concerned when another person walks by as the robbery is taking place.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Chris Spargo, dailymail.com, they`re practically pulling his pants off to get his wallet and cell phone. Let`s get it from the
beginning. Liz, can you -- there we go. There`s a moment where he`s driving by. They pull him -- here we go. All right. There`s the lookout.
Check it out. She said something. Watch this. Keep going. Now, this is on a public street. The guy is coming -- there we go. She comes out --
there you go. They start talking, and here it goes. These two women obviously have it very carefully planned, keeps going. They give him a
brutal beatdown on what seems to be a very empty street. You are going to see passers-by. There`s the first blow. Chris Spargo, I think she`s
hitting him with something other than her fist. I think she`s got on brass knuckles or something.
SPARGO: Yes, he goes down very quickly. It happens incredibly quickly, in almost under a minute, they seem to be talking, and then she
just slugs him, and he goes straight to the ground. It seems she`s using some kind of other force, all this just to take his wallet and cell phone.
GRACE: So this guy sustains major injury to the face and skull from the beating that then ensues, and then tonight we`re asking you, do you
recognize these women? Look at how they stand. Look at what they`re wearing. Look at their hair. This is extremely unusual for females to
attack in this manner. And at one point, a guy walks by and does nothing, just keeps on going. This all goes down in the French Quarter, the Eighth
District, in New Orleans. Justin Freiman, what more can you tell us about these women?
FREIMAN: Nancy, (inaudible) police know more about these women. We see they get away in a Ford SUV. Cannot fully make out what that license
plate is. They`re hoping people see this video and can speak up.
GRACE: You know, another thing, Dr. Tim Gallagher, forensic pathologist joining us, he`s left out there for a really long time,
bleeding with a severe facial and skull injury. She had to have something else in her hand -- there he goes. He just goes, okay, keeps on walking,
like yes, I don`t want any of that. There he goes. So what happened to him? He lays there for a really long time before anybody rescues him.
What could she have had in her hand on that first blow that knocks him down?
GALLAGHER: Like you were saying before, Nancy, brass knuckles would certainly be my guess, but certainly a hard object that could deliver such
a blow to cause this bleeding and cause him to lay unconscious there for so long.
GRACE: You know, another issue, Chris Spargo, looking at this, everybody, it`s a dark Ford SUV. From having tried so many cases, there
are ways for police to hone in on, for instance, the tail lights, the way that they are configured, a lot of other details about the vehicle to
determine what kind, what make, what model, what year, and take a look at that license plate.
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It looks like 2F-1031 to me. According to police, they haven`t been able to identify that. Isn`t there a way, Chris Spargo, Dailymail, they
can enhance that, for Pete`s sake? We`re talking about getting this video into court? How can this video be admitted? What governs the admission,
the admission of video, especially enhanced video, Chris?
SPARGO: Well, the good thing about this video is there might be other video of the car driving around. In New Orleans, they actually put up this
surveillance system all around the city, over a thousand cameras they paid for with private donations, that are actually helping them to solve -- they
said 500 crimes have been solved in the last few years just from these videos. Hopefully they can catch them on another video or be able to zoom
in on them.
GRACE: This was clearly well orchestrated by these two women. When women attack, extremely rare that this type of attack goes down
masterminded, basically on a public street by two women. There`s a nearly $3,000 reward. There`s going to be a legal fight over the admission of
this video, especially after it is enhanced. Tipline, 1-877-903-stop.
And right now, as we go to air, police are searching. They are searching for two men and a woman. They are persons of interest in the
fatal shooting of a yoga teacher Steve Carter. Carter is out walking his dog near the old railroad grade trail in Fairfax, when he is gunned down.
His dog is also shot. The dog stayed with him the entire time, also shot. The dog survives. Police looking for a 2003 silver VW Jetta wagon,
California plate 6P as in penny, G662. Call 415-473-7265.
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GRACE: We go live to Detroit, where a nurse allegedly recycles flu shot syringes, and now nearly 70 at risk for HIV?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dozens of employees at a pharmaceutical company vaccinated with the same syringe, according to health officials. They say
that a nurse who was contracted to give flu shots to the employees erred by using the same syringe over and over.
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GRACE: Okay, Michael Christian, let me understand this. A nurse giving flu shots reuses not the same needle, but the plastic part, the
syringe. Why not just get another little plastic tube that don`t even cost a penny?
CHRISTIAN: That is certainly the protocol you`re supposed to do, Nancy. When you use the same syringe, you have the risk of blood getting
into the syringe and infections go back and forth. It`s not just HIV we`re talking about here, it`s also hepatitis B, hepatitis C and other
infections.
GRACE: Dr. Tim Gallagher joining me out of Daytona Beach. Explain to me how this happens, because when I see a nurse and I watch so carefully, I
watch them take the shot out the plastic container, the paper, they undo it. How did this happen and what is the danger? It`s not the same needle,
she used the same syringe, but you can insert the needle in a different syringe each time?
GALLAGHER: That seems to be the case here, Nancy. The syringe and needle are two separate pieces of equipment and you can detach the needle
from the syringe. When you stick the needle into the skin, the blood is under pressure and can come up through the needle into the fluid in the
syringe. If you use the same syringe, you can cross-contaminate from patient to patient.
GRACE: Oh, because you know, Dr. Gallagher, I watch whenever I or the twins get a shot. I watch and make sure the nurse pulls -- takes the
needle and syringe out of its own individual wrapper. But I guess they would do this where the patient wasn`t watching or didn`t know to watch?
GALLAGHER: Well, apparently somebody found out and reported her, at least the system of checks and balances are at work here.
GRACE: Everyone, please be on the lookout. It`s flu season. Everybody is getting flu shots. This is what happened in the tri-state
area. A nurse reusing syringes. Now 70 being tested for HIV and hepatitis.
Let`s remember American hero, Army Specialist Scott Bandhold, just 37, North Merit, New York. Purple Heart, National Defense Service Medal, Army
Good Conduct Service Medal, loved dancing. Parents Henry and Joy, brothers Henry and Donald. Children, Alfonzo and Mariana. Scott Bandhold, American
hero.
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Thanks to our guests, but especially to you, inviting all of us into your homes. Nancy Grace signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00
sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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