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[19:00:10] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, breaking news. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton speaking live tonight. Dueling events. Miles apart as a war of words between Trump and Jeb Bush erupts over 9/11.

Plus, campaign spending reports are out, we dug into the details. Who is spending money on fancy hotels? And who is spending it on McDonalds?

And more breaking news on NBA Star Lamar Odom's condition live from Las Vegas. Let's go OUTFRONT.

And good Friday evening to all. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, we begin with the breaking news, Donald Trump about to speak at a campaign event in Massachusetts. He's less than ten miles away from where the democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton just wrapped up her campaign event. Trump taking aim at Clinton all week. She might be a big target tonight as he takes the stage, but she won't be the only one. All eyes also on how Trump will address the controversy getting the buzz today. It all started when Donald Trump was asked in an interview whether he could lead the nation in times of crisis like Presidents Bush and Obama. Here's how Trump answered that question.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When you talk about George Bush, I mean, say what you want. The World Trade Center came down during his time. If --

STEPHANIE RUHLE, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, BLOOMBERG NEWS: Hold on. You can't blame George Bush for that.

TRUMP: Well, he was president, okay? Don't blame him or don't blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.


BURNETT: Jeb Bush leaping to defend his brother replying on Twitter, quote, "How pathetic for Donald Trump to criticize the President for 9/11. We were attacked and my brother kept us safe."

MJ Lee is OUTFRONT tonight from Tyngsborough, Massachusetts right where Donald Trump is going to be taking that stage any moment. We know he is behind stage. He is going to be walking out shortly. MJ, Trump is expected to be there any second. Are you expecting him to respond to the criticism about those 9/11 comments?

MJ LEE, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Well, Erin, so far the Trump campaign has not commented on Trump's remarks that have drawn quite a bit of backlash. I'm standing here in the gymnasium at a local high school where Trump has already arrived. And he's currently meeting with some VIP members backstage. And we'll take the stage in just a few minutes. We know that the campaign is not commenting and we also just found out that Trump will actually not be gaggling with reporters or holding a press conference. So, there won't be many opportunities for ask to ask him for a comment on this. I will tell you, you know, you mentioned that we are very close to where Hillary Clinton is campaigning tonight. If you actually drive some 15, 20 minutes north, we would be in Nashua, New Hampshire where Hillary Clinton is. So a bit of a dueling of two campaigns here tonight -- Erin.

BURNETT: MJ, what is the mood there? Obviously, you know, they're playing the music. How would you describe the mood and the attendance?

LEE: Well, there was a very long line that formed starting this afternoon. You can see behind me the gymnasium I can tell you is filled to capacity as is the overflow room nearby. People are very excited to see Donald Trump. He has been the front-runner now for more than three months. To see him in person, see this big celebrity that they're used to seeing on TV. I will tell you, you know, why the state of Massachusetts, which is typically a very blue state, of course I mentioned that the state -- or this town rather where Trump is coming to is right on the New Hampshire border. So this is a way for Trump to essentially campaign in New Hampshire. Get some New Hampshire media coverage. So, we will see what he said, he will certainly be going after some of his rivals like Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton -- Erin.

BURNETT: All right. MJ, thank you very much. We'll be checking back in with MJ as Donald Trump takes that stage. We'll be listening to see whether he does address these issues.

Hillary Clinton as MJ referred to though did host a town hall just miles down the road from Donald Trump or up the road is the case maybe, meeting with New Hampshire voters. This is a brand new poll shows her leading Bernie Sanders in that ski state.

Sunlen Serfaty is OUTFRONT. And Sunlen, recent polls have Clinton lagging Sanders by double digits in New Hampshire. So, how confident is her campaign tonight after getting a poll like this that has her on top?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they're clearly feeling very happy tonight, Erin. But as they have in the past with other polls also understand that this is one poll, months before the primary. So don't expect them to take any victory laps here in New Hampshire yet. That said, Clinton is very clearly, very happy with this week. She had a good debate performance. She goes out of her way all of her events, both of her events here in New Hampshire bringing up the debate performance saying, she had a very good night. She's clearly hitting the campaign trail this week with a renewed vigor. She is showing the spark that we haven't seen in her in quite some time. That said, these poll numbers are very, very important for her. It was just last month she was 16 points behind Bernie Sanders here in New Hampshire. So clearly this is very good numbers here in New Hampshire for Clinton -- Erin.

[19:05:08] BURNETT: And Sunlen, she has been making Donald Trump a frequent target of campaign speeches interviews, really going after him directly. She even did it today in the interview she gave to Jake Tapper. Let's listen.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have called him out on some of the things that he has said, which I thought were uncalled for. Some of the insults on the attacks that he's made on immigrants, on women. And it is just unacceptable. You know, what he said about the president. So you know, I'm going to continue to criticize him for going beyond the bounds of what I think I appropriate for anybody running for president.


BURNETT: And Sunlen, obviously, you have been covering her, covering this campaign. That's farther than she has gone really in criticizing Donald Trump.

SERFATY: That's right. And you know, from the start, Clinton has been very clear what her focus in is in this campaign. She's looking forward to the general election, she is focused on Republicans. And this is an argument that she wants to, she becomes the nominee go into the general election lumping a lot of Republicans together with Donald Trump. One of her campaign lines here that she says in her stump speech that always gets a good reaction in the crowd is saying, all of the Republicans running for the nomination, their policies are just like Donald Trump just without the pizazz and the hair.

And that always gets great applause. That said it's been interesting Erin this week to see Clinton really try to make these policy distinctions and contrast herself with Bernie Sanders. It shows that they're bit worried about his rise recently. She's really drawn a contrast with him this week here in New Hampshire about guns. Really hitting him hard after that debate performance. This is a line that we expect to see Clinton continue in the days ahead.

BURNETT: All right. Sunlen, thank you very much. And we are as I said awaiting Donald Trump to take to that podium for his live comments which we will be taking and we'll anticipate that starting any minute.

While we were waiting, I want to go to our panel, our political commentators, S.E. Cupp and Hilary Rosen join me. Also, Donald Trump's supporter and the former president of Trump Productions Andy Dean.

Okay. Good to have all of you with me. I appreciate it. Let's talk about the day's big controversy. I want to start there. It actually wasn't between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, but it was between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush. Trump is saying, George W. Bush was president during 9/11. It was, you know, the way praised that you have to use the word implying, but he was saying George W. Bush was responsible. Jeb Bush responding on Twitter calling Trump, quote, "pathetic." S.E., what do you say?

S.E. CUPP, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think pathetic is apt. You know, whether you leave the answer hanging as Trump did, or not or you fill it in explicitly like other truthers have, I think the suggestion that somehow George W. Bush was to blame or is responsible for a horrific tragedy, one that I think -- you know, I lived through in Manhattan is really, really offensive and kind of cheap. Especially if you're not going to go on to explain what you mean by that or offer up specific policy proposals, for example, that, you know, you would implement as president. To thwart future attacks like that. To just sort of drop that and then move on I think is really kind of shameful.


ANDY DEAN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF TRUMP PRODUCTIONS: Well, speaking of shameful, I think what S.E. Cupp is doing is pretty shameful by comparing Donald Trump to a truther and those people are psychotic lunatics that blame the United States for 9/11. Donald Trump did no such thing. He said, blame don't blame. He kind of shrugged his shoulders, and then he moved to a different topic.

CUPP: Yes. That's epically courageous Andy. That epically courageous what he did.

DEAN: Okay. Well -- you're not making any sense right now. The point is this. That Bill Clinton was the one who back in 1998 had a chance to kill Osama Bin Laden and didn't do it. So, if asked between J.W. Bush and Bill Clinton who deserves more blame, the answer is Bill Clinton.

BURNETT: Hilary?

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, this is I think part of Donald Trump's problem. And our problem is that the rules don't apply to Donald Trump but his problem is that he doesn't seem to really care about this country the way he talks about caring it. You know, the most poignant moment for me after those 9/11 attacks were when Al Gore, you know, went out and said, George Bush is my president. Like the country came together. That was a really important moment. People weren't about blaming George Bush. Now, me and a lot of other people didn't like how he ended up responding to the attacks, we didn't like the invasion in Iraq and other things. But that doesn't mean that he deserve the blame for the attack in the first place. And I think Trump's sort of cavalier way that he talks about major events in this country is just really offensive. BURNETT: All right. Well, we're just going to briefly hit pause

in this conversation. All of you, please stay with me. We'll going to squeeze in a brief commercial break here. And then we'll going to be going live here to Donald Trump to see if he addresses this controversy, the 9/11 issue live in just a moment.

And later, more of Hillary Clinton and her exclusive interview with CNN tonight saying it's time for Joe Biden to put up our stay out. We'll be right back.


[19:10:03] CLINTON: There does come a point where a decision has to be made.



[19:13:23] BURNETT: All right. Live picture there of the podium in Tyngsborough, Massachusetts at an elementary school where Donald Trump is going to be addressing supporters. The room is full. He will be coming out any second. We know that he is behind stage. So, he will be coming out momentarily. We'll going to take his comments.

Political commentators S.E. Cupp, Hilary Rosen are with me along with Donald Trump's supporter, former president of Trump Productions, Andy Dean.

All right. So, we're talking about this controversy today over the 9/11 comment, Andy, in which Trump clearly implied George W. Bush was to blame somehow for those attacks. Is he going to comment on that when he takes the stage tonight? You know, we often gives a little bit of a press availability. He's chosen not to do that tonight, unclear as to why. But do you think he will address this issue on stage?

DEAN: Well, Erin, to begin with, what you ask was a false question because you said, you know, and we can re-watch the tape here that Donald Trump implied that George Bush was responsible for 9/11. And that's not the case. What Trump did say is that 9/11 happened under George W. Bush's watch. That's a fact that nobody is disputing but at no point that he blamed G.W. Bush. So, I think this is a controversy on a slow news cycle day that they're trying to damage the front-runner. And honestly I think it's not that exciting for people to watch.

BURNETT: Okay. So, just because you're questioning the soundbite, I want to play it. Make sure everyone can hear it for themselves. The question that had been asked of Donald Trump was, how he would lead during a crisis -- a crisis of the likes of which Barack Obama and George W. Bush had gone through. That was the question. And here's how Donald Trump answered it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: When you talk about George Bush, I mean say what you

want, the World Trade Center came down during his time. If you look --

RUHLE: Hold on. You can't blame George Bush for that.

TRUMP: Well, he was president, okay? Don't blame him or don't blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.


BURNETT: S.E., I mean, he didn't directly say it. It was an implication though.

CUPP: No, but he had an opportunity when the interviewer said, well, wait, you can't blame George Bush. He had an opportunity to say I'm not blaming him. I'm simply stating the fact or then go ahead and as I've said, offer up some policy proposals which he's, you know, routinely is very short on. So, he was given ample opportunity to clarify what he meant when he waded into that very -- you know, unfriendly territory. And he didn't take it. He left it purposefully hanging. So that the implication was that he was to blame. And I think that's just incredibly irresponsible. And also, meaningless. If you're going to say something that controversial, I think you are obligated to attach it to some kind of policy proposal. And he did not.

BURNETT: And Andy, let me give you a chance to respond to that.

DEAN: This is ludicrous.

BURNETT: Because as she points it out something though I think that is part of a broader point. He does say controversial things sometimes by not actually directly saying them. Right? With the Muslim questioner, it was that he chose not to correct. And maybe he didn't hear the question, but then you have something like this. Right? It is something that's happened time and time again.

DEAN: Well, a couple of things. First to 9/11. Donald Trump loves New York City. I mean, if you look at the New York City skyline, there are a ton of buildings with his name on it. So, the guy loves America, he loves New York City. Now, as to why he doesn't give the perfectly politically correct answer to satisfy S.E. Cupp and political pundits, you know, I don't know the answer to that. But I just -- the idea that we're going to parse four seconds of a 45 minute interview to defame Donald Trump about 9/11 seems silly. And back to, okay, go ahead.

ROSEN: Well, I was just going to say --

BURNETT: Go ahead, Hilary.

ROSEN: The point -- because, really the point that Stephanie Ruhle was getting at with him is --

BURNETT: That is the interviewer.

ROSEN: What kind of leader are you going to be? What kind of leader are you going to be? And when the country is in crisis, what are you going to do? And I think S.E. is right to the extent that she said, instead of really talking about how he would handle things, how he sees crisis as a leader. And how important it is to lead the country, what he does is go to his familiar place. Which is go snark about somebody else and put somebody else down. And, you know, this case is particularly hot button because it's 9/11. And a lot of strong feelings and a lot of, you know, terrible things happened. But I think it's very emblematic of what Trump does which is --

DEAN: Hilary, look, the American people -- Hillary --

ROSEN: To be a leader. He's the schoolyard kid who says, na-na- na-na-na.

DEAN: We get it really. We get the point.

ROSEN: It's silly. It's immature.

DEAN: Okay.

BURNETT: Go ahead, Andy.

DEAN: Okay. Hillary, okay. To your point about Donald Trump not saying the politically correct thing, we get it. But you're wrong because the American people have been listening to these issues and watching two debates and they see Donald Trump as a leader. This is a guy who has a lifetime record of creating tens of thousands of jobs and this guy is a leader on foreign policy. He's outlined that he's going to destroy ISIS. So, this idea that, you know, a couple of seconds of crazy talk in which you parse his words, it's just -- it's not accurate. It's just not representative of what the American people care about.

BURNETT: And here's the thing though. It's the point that Andy is making. The fact that these conversations are happening, I mean, the reason that we're talking about this is, this is getting a lot of discussion and buzz online. This is what the conversation is about. But Andy has a good point, S.E. which is that this often benefits Donald Trump, right? There's a controversy and a lot of people see it as he's just telling the truth or he was misunderstood and it actually ends up being good for Donald Trump.

[19:18:30] CUPP: Oh, I have never denied that. I mean, you know, as Hillary mentioned Donald Trump completely defies the laws of gravity and physics when it comes to these moments where he says something completely indefensible and yet receives a bump in the polls. Thanks I'm sure to folks like Andy Dean completely defending indefensible things. It is not courageous, you know, courageously standing to thwart political correctness to suggest that the President of the United States was responsible for a terrorist attack. That has nothing to do with political correctness and defending and justifying everything that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth as standing to thwart political correctness is intellectually dishonest. And I think using the justification that really doesn't belong there. I mean, this is not -- this is not political correctness that we're talking about. This is smearing the president of the United States.

BURNETT: But Hilary, there's this particular quote, but the broader point here is that the perception among voters is that he says it like it is. It is others whether it be the media or others who take him out of context. We do anticipate that he's going to come out any moment. So Hilary, if I interrupt you that will be why. You see all these phones coming up. But that is what has benefited Donald Trump. The people see him as a truth teller. He is authentic.

ROSEN: I think that's right. And I think that that says something terrible about our political system that people are so un- erred to actual, you know, leadership and that politicians have so ruined politics in a way that somebody like Donald Trump is, you know, heralded.

BURNETT: And he is --

DEAN: That's Hilary's indirect way --

BURNETT: Yes. Go ahead, Andy.

DEAN: That was Hilary's indirect way of calling the American people stupid. And I think that that, you know is unfortunate --


DEAN: To say that Trump is popular, people are stupid.

ROSEN: No, I'm saying, politicians have ruined politics.

DEAN: Well, Donald Trump is not a politician, so Hilary, maybe you should vote for him.

ROSEN: That's my point.

DEAN: Okay. Good, maybe you'll vote for him.

BURNETT: All right. Let's listen in to Donald Trump for a moment. All of you please stand by. I want to get your comments as we go through. But let's just listen to him for a moment.

TRUMP: Amazing, really amazing. I want to thank you all. It's great to be here. We had some big news today. A lot of good news. First of all, you know Hillary was right down the street.


She had -- listen to this. Would you say -- would you say we have 4,000 people at least tonight? At least. So we have two rooms like this full, we have at least I guess 2,000 people outside. And Hillary had 250 people. That's not good. That's not good. Well, I'll tell you what. I love the area, I love -- I love Massachusetts. I love --


Why do they always say that a republican can't win Massachusetts? I think we can. You know why? I think that the Democrats are so sick and tired of watching our country lose that they're going to vote for the republican if this is the one. I really believe that. And we love, love, love New Hampshire. We love it. You know, -- so about ten minutes ago they just gave me some result. You know, somebody says, you really like polls. Yes. I like them because I'm winning. You know when you're not winning you don't like them as much. But we're really winning. We're winning everything. Everything. Every state. We're winning everything.


We're winning everything. So this just came in. Reuters, 33 for Trump. Thirty three percent. Remember what that means. If 15 people in addition to myself. We have 16. If you get 33, you know, somebody said, oh, I think he's peaked. I think he's peaked. They constantly say it, he's peaked! I hear this every week. You know, we go up up up. And then we go down one point, it's like -- it's like we're on the "Titanic." Oh, it's unbelievable. Three weeks ago we went down a point, it was like oh, it's over. Then we went up two points, they don't report that. Then we went up five points so here it comes out, look at this, Reuters, good Reuters, good, professional, good? Oh, Jeremy, I wish you'd tell the truth. CNN, CNN.


[19:23:05] All right. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? You know I told him last time it was very interesting. We were -- such a great success. It was so great. You saw it. Three nights ago. We had 8,000 people maybe. There were eight demonstrators. No, no, it was true. You say saw it the other night. Eight demonstrators. And they started, you know, shouting a little bit. And they were gone very quickly. And, you know, it's freedom of speech, you can do it. And I said to the people, 8,000 people. And I said, here's the bad part. They'll be the story. And I thought I could talk the press out of it by saying that. Next day, demonstrations, at Trump -- I'm telling you we had eight people.

And two of them asked for my autograph when I was going out. No, it's true! These were not violent demonstrators. These were nice people. But anyway. So Reuters comes out, we're 33. Carson's at 15 in second place. Think of it. That's a big difference. That's a big difference. Then you have other people. Actually Carly is way down. Wow! What's going on? She went way down. But you have Rubio is way lower. Way lower. But if he goes up two points, Rubio surges! No, I had it in Florida. You know we're winning Florida. Can you believe it? I love Florida. So we're winning Florida. And they had a poll and I was 29 and they were -- your governor and your sitting senator, they were like 11 and 14 or 15.

And one of them went up a little bit. And they talked about Bush and Rubio headline doing better. And I said, oh, that's too bad. I guess I got wiped out. I must be way down. So, I'm reading the story. I get to paragraph three. And I said, why Mr. Trump is at 29? Wait a minute, I'm at 29, they're at 11 and something. But that's the dishonesty of the press. You have no idea how dishonest these people are.


You have no idea. No, you have no idea. It's brutal. It's brutal. You get -- actually, it's so bad, it's so bad last night I watched Megyn Kelly. I haven't watched her in a long time. And you had these two clowns on. One Stirewalt and another one, the other one is a speechwriter for George Bush. How can you be a speechwriter for George Bush? I mean, I like George Bush. He's a nice man but I don't necessarily want to write speeches for him. So he's saying -- he actually said, something to the effect that, yes, Carson's tied or winning on all -- and it's not even close. And you can't do anything. Except one thing I can do. Actually said that Carson -- who's a nice guy. By way he's a guy. He really is.

But they actually said that Carson is tied or winning in all the polls. And I'm saying, you know, on my Twitter, I had people that went crazy. That it's a total lie, Mr. Trump. It -- they wanted like a revolution. And it is a total lie. But they have these two puppets that work for her and they say these things and it's incredible. So, here's the polls. In New Jersey, now, remember Reuters is national. Thirty three, second place is 15, right? Here's the state of New Jersey, great place, I love New Jersey. Got some problems. To be honest. It's got some problems. Trump, 32. Second place, 13. Okay. Then I hear that like I'm tied, I'm not tied. We're killing everybody. Actually --


No, it's true. It's true. It's true. Peggy Noonan has been great. I think she's fantastic. She's a great writer. And that's only because for the last three weeks she's written great. But tomorrow she writes a story which I saw tonight and she talks about that we're sort of levelled out. And I think it -- oh, that's a terrible story. Can you imagine being levelled out is a bad story. You know what levelled out means? It means that I haven't gone up in the last couple of weeks. But, you know, it's hard to go when you're at 33, 32, 35. And then inside the story, she said he had a great week with the polls.

And I say, how can I say levelled out? Maybe it was a bad guy who wrote the headline. And I said, well, wait, how are we levelled out? Then they talked about Nevada. Where I'm up at 38 percent and win the Hispanics. Can you believe it?


And Peggy -- and remember I like her a lot. I think she's great. And then she said, great week but the title was not so good. And then -- so Nevada, she said, great week. Some at 38. And then at South Carolina, I'm at 36, right? And then in Connecticut, which just came out. That's Quinnipiac. Great pollster. I'm at 34 to 14. And she puts these in. And I'm saying, how did that level out? It's the press. And then oh, and then a Romney person -- you know we all like Romney, right? But he should have won. Give me a break. I supported him. I supported McCain. I supported these people.

[19:28:34] And this time I said you know what, did you ever have it like you're with your wife, you're with your husband and you're really competent. And you're tired of seeing things done wrong. And you just say, you know, this time I'm just going to do it myself. Do you understand that?


I mean, we should have won that last election. We should have won. But, you know, he doesn't like me too much. I backed him and everything else. But I was so upset that he lost an election that should have been won. So they have Romney's guy going on his -- his manager is going on, he's selling a book. The guy is incompetent. He is talking about this -- then you have somebody else. You have his pollster, or a person who -- and he's the one that gave them the idea. He said I think he's flattened out. And because of that I end up with a headline. Even though they're copying all the other polls. So, listen, so you have 33 to 15 national. You have 32 to 13. You have 38 to like 11 in Nevada. South Carolina, a great place. And by the way, they're back. They have -- they have weathered that unbelievable flood.


They have weathered that flood. They actually asked if I'd do a commercial for them, can you believe it? South Carolina and Charleston. They said, would you do a commercial? I said, I get a million dollars but for you I'm going to do it for free. I did a free commercial. Okay? We sent it, because what they've done, they're great people. By the way, South Carolina we're doing so great. Thirty six percent to like, forget, I won't even mention what's second because it's embarrassing. And then you have -- then you listen to these television shows where you're like, tied. So anyway, all lies, all lies. But I made a commercial for them. They are unbelievable. What they went through and they're back. You know, they're back. They're great people. They're hardworking and incredible people. So I've gotten to know so many.

So, here's one I love, did you ever hear of a state New Hampshire, right? How about this one? Trump 32, second place, 13.


Now, if the second place -- I won't use the name, but if the second -- and a nice person by the way. I don't dislike all of these people. Although I usually do dislike my enemies, OK? You know, when you're competing, you sort of want to win. But second place is nice.

But if the second place went from 10 to 13 and even though I'm 32 in New Hampshire, they'll say whoever it is is surging. It's amazing. Just very dishonest. Then, Quinnipiac, Connecticut, we went over 34.

How, here's a beautiful thing. So, this is sort of emblematic of everything. This came out in the polls. And it's done by CNN whose cameras all lit up back there. You believe, every time I make a speech, they have me on live

television, no, it's terrible. I said to my people -- I don't want to do live television every time. And then if you repeat the story, it's like oh, he said that three nights ago.

You know, these other people like Hillary, she goes around. She has 250 people down the road in Keene, where by the way, last two weeks ago we had 4,000 people in Keene, right? Four thousand. Forget about here. We have 4,000 in Keene, the same area.

But it's sort of amazing, isn't it? But you know what's so important right here, they go over the different categories, how does he win? This one is Nevada. But it was also the same thing, pretty much the same numbers.

It was really amazing numbers, same numbers in South Carolina, done by CNN a couple of days ago. In fact, CNN called and said, your numbers are unbelievable. I said, "I agree. I can't believe it."

So they have -- who going to be your first choice, who's going to win for president? Trump, 38 percent. Pretty good.


And then they have one that's slightly important. It's called who's going to be best for the economy? Do you agree, that's important? We have to get all these young people -- we have to get them working. Right? Like him, like him. Like her.

We have to get them working, right? Got to have jobs when they're ready. So, on the economy, listen to this one. Trump is 67.


When I say 67, I mean, 67 percent. That's big. How do you have 67 percent when you have 16 people, right? You know, 67 percent would be amazing if you like me and somebody else, do you agree with that? That's a called a landslide. There's no such thing. It's true.

But how do you have 67 percent -- 67 out of 100? How do you have 67 percent when you have 16 people running? It's very hard. I mean, you have to be good. In fact, it's great for my ego. I will tell you, it's economy.

Remember the expression it's the economy, stupid, well, then the election is over. They all say how important. Well, nothing more important.

I mean, look, defense is more important to me. Defense is -- and I do great on defense.


ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: You're listening to Donald Trump here. We're going to keep monitoring this. Look, you have heard angry at the media, talking about the polls, talking about his rivals, using the first names when he talks about Hillary.

We're going to keep monitoring this. And we're going to take a break. When we come back, more of Donald Trump and what he spent money on this campaign season. You're not going to believe it. We just got the numbers and dug through them and found something you're going to want to hear.


[19:38:07] BURNETT: You're looking at Donald Trump live. He is addressing the crowd in an elementary school in Massachusetts. He has been talking about his polls, talking about his rivals. We're monitoring it. We're going to bring in you live as we hear parts you should hear.

The GOP frontrunner has sworn off a traditional campaign in every way and fund-raising is one of those ways. Still, though, millions have come in in unsolicited donation and Trump is spending it in unexpected ways.

Joe Johns has tonight's "Money and Power."


TRUMP: I put together some really impressive deals, but this thing you've pulled off, it's amazing. Big and tasty for just a dollar.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump did this ad for McDonald's more than a decade ago. But little has changed. This summer, Trump forking over $458 on burgers and fries at the Golden Arches. From the latest, $1,302 at Home Depot to $723,000 on jets and helicopters he already owns.

And all this quarter, Trump spent $4.2 million. He did not solicit any donations, but about 74,000 people gave him $3.9 million in donations anyway.

Even though he spent more than he brought in, it doesn't matter. He can close that deficit whenever he wants.

TRUMP: I'm really rich.

JOHNS: Dropping millions of his own cash into the campaign.

But rivals are not so lucky. Many in the huge field of GOP candidates struggling to raise money and spending it like crazy. According to newly released documents, Jeb Bush raised $13.4 million in the last quarter. Sounds good until you hear he spent $11.5 million.

And as we discovered, his campaign spending $26,000 at Miami's Luxury Biltmore Hotel, but also staying at holiday inns, running up a mere $8,200.

The Republican candidate who raised the most -- Ben Carson, like Trump, a political outsider. Carson's total was almost $21 million.

[19:40:00] He spent about $14 million.

One of his biggest expenses, $1.4 million on fund-raising calls, calls that some GOP candidates can't afford to make. Five of the Republican candidates did not even raise that much cash in total. So, the remaining GOP candidates might want to take a page from the Trump checkbook.

TRUMP: I get him a McDonald's hamburger --


JOHNS: Besides the speed with which some of the candidates are burning through the money they raise which can influence how much more money their wealthiest donors are able can give them, the amount of cash the candidates have on hand tells you something about the financial health of their campaigns.

The records show Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie both had less than $2 million on hand at the end of the reporting period. That's not good news for them -- Erin.

BURNETT: No, certainly doesn't sound that way. Joe Johns, thank you.

Let's go now to David Gergen, the former adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Carter, along with Ron Brownstein, editorial director for "The National Journal".

Ron, you know, in this, what you see is a continued lack of convention with the Trump campaign, right? But what's interesting here is that he got all this money from other people. And he's still spending it, right? He puts in his own money as he has to. He spends the unsolicited donations first, that's what a business person would do. That's what he's doing.

But we're finding a lot of things out here, $700,000 of t-shirts and hat, nearly $1 million on flights and, of course, that McDonald's tab.

RON BROWNSTEIN, THE NATIONAL JOURNAL: All right. There are so many -- so many unconventional things happening in this campaign. You know, if you look at Donald Trump first of all, as he himself pointed out, you -- he doesn't have to spend an awful lot on media because he's getting unprecedented levels of coverage from the national media. And secondly, you have outsider candidates like Ben Carson rising more money than establishment favorites, like Jeb Bush, who have largely outsourced but now find themselves struggling in the kind of nuts and bolts financing for their, you know, formal campaign apparatus.


BROWNSTEIN: A lot of the traditional verities of how financial power is allocated and how it affects this race, they are being up ended in the early stages of this 2016 race. No question about it. BURNETT: You know, David, another thing Donald Trump is not

doing with his money. Not spending it on polls.

Contrast that with Hillary Clinton, right? He likes to make that contrast all the time, in general. But on this issue specifically, she's spent $1.1 million when we went through since the beginning of the campaign, last quarter and this quarter. Donald Trump hasn't spent a dollar.

That adds to the perception, right, that he's genuine, says what the thinks, right, where is she is spending more than a million dollars on polls to find out what people want her to say and do.

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. Well, one of the most interesting moments of the campaigns when Donald Trump was asked, do you do focus groups and he said yeah, I do focus groups, right up here in my head. I figure out the zeitgeist of -- the spirit of the country through my personal experiences.

I think that's giving him this extra sort of -- it's some people would say wackiness, but it also made him a more magnetic personality because he's out there doing it almost on his own. Whereas Hillary historically has run sort of a Hillary Inc. campaign. So, she has a huge organization and she's raising money rapidly.

After this debate this week, she'll raise a lot more money. I don't think she's in danger the way that Jeb Bush is. But, nonetheless, when she runs it does run the danger that she'll be seen as highly scripted, highly produced, highly manufactured, as opposed to sort of the lone warrior of a Trump.

BURNETT: All right. Thanks very much to both of you.

And next, we have shocking new video that we want to show you tonight. It's a Michigan teen pulled over for flashing his lights. This is shot from multiple cameras took this. This teen was shot multiple times and killed. That story.

And on a much lighter note, innovative new ideas. Marty McFly sneakers are becoming a reality.


[19:48:14] BURNETT: Tonight calls for justice after an officer shot and killed a teen during a routine traffic stop. It all started when 17-year-old Deven Guilford was pulled over for flashing his high beams.

And tonight for the first time, we are seeing shocking new video of what happened next.

Jean Casarez is OUTFRONT.


SGT. JONATHAN FROST, EATON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: I need your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please. Pulled you over today because you flashed me. I didn't even have my brights on.

DEVEN GUILFORD: Yes you did, sir.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Watch this police body camera video. Seventeen- year-old Deven Guilford on his way to his girlfriend's house back in February, Sergeant Jonathan Frost pulling him over for flashing his high beams.

FROST: Driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please. I did not have them on.

GUILFORD: I did not have --

FROST: Driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please.

GUILFORD: I don't know even know you're an officer.

CASAREZ: Sergeant Frost asked several times for Guilford's license. And every time, the teen refuses, questioning why he was stopped.

GUILFORD: Am I being detained?

FROST: Yes, you are.

GUILFORD: For what crime?

FROST: You flashed me with your high beams.

GUILFORD: You had your brights on, sir.

CASAREZ: As the traffic stop continues, Guilford begins recording their interaction on his cell phone and continues to not cooperate.

FROST: You can get with the program and start to comply with this traffic stop or you are going to be taken to jail.

CASAREZ: The officer calls for backup two times as the situation escalates. Back up doesn't come.

FROST: You do not have your driver's license on your person? Correct?

GUILFORD: Yes, I do.

FROST: Where is it?

GUILFORD: You do not have to see it.

FROST: Do you realize that if you would have complied with this traffic stop it would have gone a whole different way for you.

CASAREZ: The officer sees Guilford try to make a phone call and orders him out of the car.

FROST: Out of car or you are going to get tased. Everything is being recorded, son. I have no problem with that. Get out of the car. Get down on the ground. Now. Down on the ground!

GUILFORD: Oh my gosh. Stop yelling at me.

[19:50:00] FROST: Down on the ground! Right here. Facing me. Down on the ground. Now.

GUILFORD: What do you mean?

FROST: Get on your belly. Right now.

GUILFORD: This is what Americans --

FROST: Put your phone down and put your arms out to your side now.

CASAREZ: Sergeant Frost kicks Guilford's cell phone away.

GUILFORD: I don't have a weapon. Hey! You can't do that!

FROST: Son, get your hands behind your back. You're under arrest.

CASAREZ: Just about 90 seconds before backup arrives, Sergeant Frost tases Guilford but he's too close for it to work properly.

Roughly, 14 seconds later, gunshots.

Sergeant Frost says Guilford attacked him, hitting him repeatedly with his fist. Take a look at this slow-mo frame by frame. You can make the scuffle out just a little more clearly.

FROST: Central Point Z72. I shot one. Priority backup. Send EMS, I'm bleeding.

CASAREZ: This body cam video captures Sergeant Frost at the scene transported to the hospital with these injuries.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looks like a small abrasion on the back of the head.

CASAREZ: Guilford's family says the teen's death should never have happened, saying the traffic stop was illegal.

CYNTHIA HEENAN, GUILFORD FAMILY ATTORNEY: They are outraged. They are just, it boggles their minds how the kid could be stopped for flashing his lights and be dead five minutes later.

CASAREZ: But prosecutors cite the Michigan safe driving manual which states, "It is illegal to use or even flash high beam headlights within 500 feet of an oncoming vehicle."

(END VIDEOTAPE) CASAREZ: The officer cleared of all wrongdoing, the prosecutor

concluding that Frost was acting in self-defense, that he reasonably believed he would die or have serious bodily injury.

Now, among cited evidence, damage to the body camera, it was all over the area and the medical examiner's finding that Guilford's wounds were from the front, the trajectory of the bullets that they were at an angle emulating struggle. The family filing a federal and civil lawsuit saying the officer used excessive force, violated their son's constitutional rights and wrongfully caused his death, Erin.

BURNETT: All right. Jean, thank you very much.

I want to go straight to our legal analyst, Paul Callan,

OK, Paul, obviously, the officer was injured. There is no question about that. But it's a teenager, kid was clearly unarmed, maybe he was being a complete jerk and resisting but shot multiple times and killed. Justified?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It's such a shocking case because the kid 17-year-old kid, he's a high school kid, I guess, to think he would wind up dead after a routine stop like this is shocking.

But you know something? I think that I understand why the prosecutor did not charge the cop. The cop had grounds to make the stop. He had flashed his headlights in an improper way. When he asks for the license, there is a refusal. He has multiple refusals. The cop has the right to ask him to get out of the vehicle.

There is a Supreme Court, Pennsylvania versus Mims that says police have the right to do that. He then tells him to get on the ground. The first thing I looked at, and I wondered when I first saw it, was this justified? He ends up kicking the cell phone away.

Justifiable the police will say because if he had the cell phone in his hand, he could throw it at the cop --

BURNETT: Use it as a weapon.

CALLAN: Remember, he's being arrested. Next we don't know what happens, of course, because now the camera is up and down and the cop says he attacked me, he jumped me, he tried to take my weapon. That justifies the use of force, deadly force.

BURNETT: All right. Paul Calla, thank you very much.

And next, an idea that's coming back from the future. Are self- lacing sneakers the next big thing?


[19:57:43] BURNETT: "Back to the Future" is one of the most beloved movie franchises of the 1980s and Marty McFly travels into the future to October 21st, 2015. One fashion trend he discovers is self- lacing sneakers. So, it's only a few more days. Will they be the real thing in time? That's this week's big IDEA.


BURNETT (voice-over): Simply put, this movie nailed it. The 1989 hit "Back to the Future 2" predicted 2015 with amazing accuracy, flat screen TV, 3D movies and the Cubs winning the World Series.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cubs win World Series.

BURNETT: Well, maybe. But one idea from the future hasn't arrived, at least not yet. That's the self-lacing shoe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Power laces, all right.

MATT HALFHILL, NICE KICKS FOUNDER & PUBLISHER: My memories from watching the film, I remember the Nike mag and I remember the flying car and I don't have the flying car. So, I really want the Nike Mag.

BURNETT: Now, Nike says their idea for the real thing, the future of sneakers, could be just days away.

Matt Halfhill writes about sneakers.

HALFHILL: The way that it works is that one pushes a button on the side of the shoe that will activate a motor that then wraps around the foot with four straps and tightens across the midsection of the foot.

BURNETT: A far cry from how the original worked.

HALFHILL: In the movie, they had cables that ran down Michael J. Fox' pants and a huge gigantic battery pack that he wore at his waist.

BURNETT: Rumors of the shoes surfaced three years ago, when Nike applied for a patent for automatically lacing shoes, 1,500 prototypes Nike Mags were made and sold for charity raising millions for Fox' foundation for Parkinson's research.

A Nike designer has publicly said he's working on delivering the shoe this year. But time is running out to meet the movie's deadline. Marty McFly went back to the future on October 21st, 2015. That's Wednesday.


HALFHILL: I really think there's a good chance Nike is not going to pass on this day to do something special for "Back to the Future".

BURNETT: Nike is playing coy saying, quote, "If something is coming, it will extend beyond October 21st," if only someone had a time machine.

HALFHILL: Oh my gosh, is this what we're going to see in the future? Will we no longer have to bend over and tie our shoes?

(END VIDEOTAPE) BURNETT: Wow, we can be even lazier.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Anderson starts next.