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Legal View with Ashleigh Banfield

Activist Speaks On His Planned Parenthood Video, Says Editing "Doesn't Matter"; Alleged Hackers Of CIA Director Talk To CNN; Man Taken Off Sex Offender List After Girl Admits Lying; Lamar Odom Taking Steps At L.A. Hospital; Oscar Pistorious Released From Prison To House Arrest; Toddler Killed By Brother, Dad Out On Bail; Breast Cancer Experts Suggest Screening Later and Less Often; Benjamin Netayahu To Comment On Attacks And Unrest Along Gaza. Aired 12:30-1p ET

Aired October 20, 2015 - 12:30   ET

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[12:30:01] CARLY FIORINA, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Beating its legs kicking.

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: In the second Republican debate, and passion Carly Fiorina made this attack on Planned Parenthood citing this video clip of another baby in Daleiden's documentary again with Holly O'Donnell providing the narration.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Its nose is pronounced. It had eyelids. And its mouth is pronounced and then since the fetus was still intact, she said, "OK, well, this is a really good fetus.

GRIFFIN: Horrific image.

DAVID DALEIDEN, ANTI-ABORTION ACTIVIST: Not just the image, but a video.

GRIFFIN: Where did it come from?

DALEIDEN: That video is from an organization called the Center for Bioethical Reform. And they are one of the largest repositories of abortion images and abortion videos in the world, I think.

GRIFFIN: So you don't know where that came from?

DALEIDEN: I don't know the exact clinic, no. The exact location, I don't know the exact location.

GRIFFIN: Or the date?

DALEIDEN: I don't know the exact location or the date, but I know that it is footage from CBR from their abortion images archive.

GRIFFIN: The Center for Bioethical Reform would not release any detailed information either.

The center claims it was an aborted fetus and that they paid for the video.

This is what Carly Fiorina is talking about, right? This is that video. But you can't tell me right now if this was even out of Planned Parenthood facility.

DALEIDEN: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it's only there as an illustration of the sort of born alive late term fetus that Holly O'Donnell was talking about.

GRIFFIN: But you don't know where the baby was born? Yours truly, don't know what date the baby was born? You don't know the particular clinic the baby was born? And yet this whole video production is talking about Planned Parenthood selling body parts and, you know, abortions.

DALEIDEN: Right, right and this specific sequence right here with Holly O'Donnell is talking about an infant that was born alive in a planned parenthood clinic that they've been harvested the brain from.

GRIFFIN: Only once again, not this baby.

Planned Parenthood has used the controversial video edits to attack the entire production as being a fraud.

DAWN LAGUENS, EXECUTIVE V.P. PLANNED PARENTHOOD: All of the tape and footage that David Dalieden has released out into the world has been heavily edited. And I think pretty thoroughly discredited.

GRIFFIN: Dawn Laguens is an executive vice president at Planned Parenthood and discrediting then misuse of video was easy.

But we asked her about the other parts of the tape that do seem to show bargaining, negotiating, pricing and arranging the sales of body parts. Like in this exchange Were Planned Parenthood's Dr. Mary Gater appears to be in negotiation

over the sale of fetal tissue samples.

MARY GATER: What I want to know is what would work for you, and don't lowball it, tell me what you...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's way too low.

GRIFFIN: OK, so that sounds like negotiating of prices, but what is it?

LAGUENS: Well, one, we don't know, because again, these tapes are extremely heavily edited, and what you think...

GRIFFIN: But that portion was not edited.

LAGUENS: ... actually let me just say, $75, this is a person, a doctor, and a fabulous doctor who does great care for women who wouldn't in an affiliate be the person anyway who would tell you what the reimbursement costs that were allowed under the law would be.

She is somebody they got to come to lunch and they start asking her to guess about what would be a proper reimbursement.

Now they are all introduced...

GRIFFIN: She is the medical director of Planned Parenthood.

LAGUENS: Yes, but she doesn't know what the cost of FedEx would be.

She is guessing, and she says, I used to work somewhere else and it was another amount. So she is just trying to ask them, what is it that you pay other people as an allowable amount under the law, because these people, were they real, would not be able to pay somebody more than the reimbursement costs that are allowed by the law.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Drew Griffin is live with me again. Now, Drew let's be really clear that Planned Parenthood is still insisting that it clinics did nothing wrong, correct?

GRIFFIN: That's correct, Ashleigh.

The law is you can't sell fetal tissue samples, you can't sell them. So what Planned Parenthood is saying is disregard all the bargain you saw on those tapes, disregard all the negotiations over the pricing and the technicians talking about how this piece of tissue is more expensive than this piece of tissue, that was all just talking about the reimbursement costs.

And now, since that interview, planned parenthood is coming out and said, look at, we did nothing wrong, but we're going to stop all of the reimbursement costs from now on we're not going to take any money whatsoever. So the policy has changed, but they're saying these are heavily edited and we did nothing wrong.

BANFIELD: You and your team did everything, right. You did some really great work. Thank you, Drew Griffin. And I just want to alert our viewers there's more to the report for a complete look at all of Drew and his investigative teams work go to cnn.com, and you will find some pretty surprising details there.

[12:35:08] Coming up, you would thinking that it would take a lot to break into the e-mail of America's top spy. But the men who say they hacked the CIA director's account, well say it was pretty easy and they claim have to have gotten away with sensitive information as well.

You'll going to hear from them next.

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BANFIELD: The people behind the reported hacking of the CIA director and the homeland security secretary personal e-mail account are talking a lot ton us.

[12:40:03] You would think that it would take a lot to break into the e-mail account of America's top spy. But the group that's taking credit for doing that calling themselves CWA says it was really not too tough at all.

Listen to what one of the men told CNN's Laurie Segall on the phone. We have altered his voice.

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LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: And you guys say you were able to hack into his personal in-box, what did you find?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Social security numbers. Plans he was talking about Iraq and Syria. And there was a lot of, I guess private information really.

SEGALL: So if this is true and it's true that you guys have actually broken into his private e-mail account, how difficult would you say it is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You mean out of ten?

SEGALL: Sure, out of ten.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One.

SEGALL: One?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.

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BANFIELD: The members say that they are American, that they live in the United States, that they are under 22-years-old, and they say they smoke pot, and that their methods were incredibly low tech, and in fact, they said they probably were high when they did the hacking.

Joining me now is CNN Legal Analyst Paul Callan and HLN Legal Analyst Joey Jackson.

I am smiling only for the fact that I am in disbelief from what I'm hearing from these folks. But I want to know about their liability here. What did these hackers just expose themselves to under U.S. code?

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Here is the problem. And certainly, that's revealing, a 1 out of 10 in terms of the degree of difficulty in doing it.

The problem is not really a legal problem, Ashleigh, there are statutes on the books federally to deal with the issue, OK, computer fraud and protection it's been on the books for 30 years since 1986 has been amended eight times to embroil all types of computer it's not just government computers, any computer essentially could be subjected to it. The identity theft protection act of 2008, we can talk about law all day and all night.

But you have to find the people in order to prosecute the people. And so, there we could say...

BANFIELD: I don't know what to say, but if New York Post talked to them and Laurie Segall talked to them, and I believe Evan Perez and his team in Washington talked to them.

JACKSON: Can the United States attorney find the person bring them to justice...

BANFIELD: Joey.

JACKSON: If so you're looking at 20 years, if not you're looking at continued computed hacks on high level officials with sensitive information continuing to be devolved. It's not only Sony, it's not only the IRS, it's only Wal-Mart, it's everywhere.

BANFIELD: Yeah, by the way CNN did say has the government reached out to you all, and they said, no, nope, not yet, haven't heard from anybody just yet. I suppose there's some action there.

Let's go the other side of the coin though. What is Director Brennan's responsibility in all of this? And I'm going to real clear CNN has not discovered anything on towards about the e-mail that they say they've hack, they said social security numbers Iraq, Syria plant, private info. But we have not seen any classified materials so far.

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yeah, we don't know at this point. But we do know that his AOL account was hacked.

Now here we have the director of the CIA. And I don't know if I should be disturbed that he's using an AOL personal account. You know, my grandmother was using that in 1984. I would expect a little more technical sophistication from the head spy.

But putting on the side, the problem here is that sophisticated hackers seemed to be able to get it to anybody's account. And it seem to me we need new laws to prohibit government people from forwarding the government e-mails back to their own home servers, because those home servers are the things that are being hacked.

And Hillary Clinton was doing it, now we got John Brennan doing it. And by the way don't forget the U.S. Department of Personnel, federal government 21.5 million records were hacked by they think a Chinese hacker.

So we need better federal security and we need laws to keep it within the government servers, because this is dangerous -- potentially dangerous stuff to get out to other side of the world.

BANFIELD: They're claiming they're going to release some more material, but we will have to just watch it and wait and see.

That's all of the time I have for this, guys, but thank you Paul Callan and Joey Jackson, thank you, I appreciate it.

A 19-year-old young man had sex with a 14-year-old girl. The lied about her age, and then he was put on a sex offender registry after a lengthy court case. But now a brand new judge has just changed his life up considerably.

Find out what happened next.

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[12:48:42] BANFIELD: An update now on a 20-year-old man from Indiana who was fighting to get off of the sex offender register list because he had sex with a 14-year-old girl from Michigan. This is good news for Zach Anderson, earlier this year he had gone on a online dating site called hot or not. It was look like, he was 19 at the time, he met a girl who said she was 17 and they did have sex, but after the fact she confessed to him that she was only 14.

All of these are facts in court. And the parents concede to it. Zach pleaded guilty to misdemeanor sexual conduct and he was originally given a 90-day jail sentence but then five years probation, and then the big one, he was required to stay on the Michigan and indiana state sex offender registries for 25 years, but because of the age, that sentence ended up being thrown out.

Under a Michigan law that provides leniency for first offenders between ages 17 and 20, and so yesterday, Zach, in court, walking to the front about to get a brand new sentence, two years probation, the new sentence, and get this, his name is officially now off of the Michigan sex offender registry and his father is clearly relieved.

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[12:50:00] LES ANDERSON, ZACH ANDERSON'S FATHER: You can make a mistake you should not have to pay for it for the rest of your life in a case like this. I mean, and so I think that's all we ever wanted for Zach was a chance, you know, for him to, pay for his mistakes and then move on with life.

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BANFIELD: In Zach's home state of Indiana, he may have to stay on the registry during the two-year term of his probation, but a significant turnaround from what originally transpired.

We have incredible update on NBA two-time champion Lamar Odom. One week after Lamar Odom was found unconscious at a brothel in Nevada, his family says he's actually taking steps, physical steps like walking steps, and now he is at a hospital in Los Angeles where they say that he is going to continue his recovery.

The Blade Runner, Olympian Oscar Pistorius has been released from prison and starting out house arrest at least that portion of his sentence, and you will remember that he was locked up for 10 months, 10 months only for shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day in 2012, she died from that shooting and he claims he though she was a intruder. Oscar Pistorius will spend next four years of his sentence at his uncle's home in Pretoria, South Africa, and the family spokeswoman insists that he will serve the full four years.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ANNELIESE BURGESS, PISTORIUS FAMILY SPOKEWOMAN: The family is happy that Oscar is home, but they want to make the point that Oscar's sentence continues, and that is the key point here. His sentence isn't shortened, hasn't been reduced. He continues to serve the sentence as per the sentence handed down by the trial judge.

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BANFIELD: The Steenkamp family said that they have forgiven Pistorius, and after appeals and the legal system has taken it's course they say they're actually willing to meet with him.

The father of the three-year-old Chicago boy shot to death by his six- year-old brother has been released from jail. We first told you the story yesterday. The little boys were playing cops and robbers, but the gun was real. Michael Santiago had stashed that gun on the top of his fridge. The judge reduced the bail to $75,000 and he will return to court on Friday.

The American Cancer Society has issued new breast cancer screening guidelines. It used to suggest that women begin getting annual mammogram at 40. Now the organization says women should start getting mammogram later at age 45, women over age 55 can choose to get a mammogram every other year.

Coming up next, dozens of stabbings and assaults on street corners and shopping malls and bus stations. The violence flaring up in Israel in the west bank has reached an APEX at least that maybe the thought of the Israeli Prime Minister who is about to go live with some comments on these last two months of violence.

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[12:57:15] And we've got Breaking News you're seeing on your screen, two podiums, one will be occupied shortly by the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. The other by the U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon who is in the region because of the spate of violence of late, in the last month and a half. There have been dozens of people killed and injured on both the Israeli and Palestinian side, in fact, eight Israelis dead, 75 wounded and approximately 45 Palestinians dead and 1,850 wounded.

Just before we hear from the prime minister, I want you to listen to what happened just a short time ago. That is the scene of Bethlehem, yes, Bethlehem in the West Bank, Palestinians using slingshots and throwing stone, the Israeli army firing back with tear gas, just one of the series of violent attacks in the past month.

Our Oren Liebermann is live in Jerusalem, he's been cover this, and he's going to give us a little bit of a background as we await the prime minister and the U.N. Secretary-General.

So catch me up on exactly what the prime minister is expecting to do with his remarks today what effect he's going to have? What do we know he is going to say if anything? OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's very likely he'll talk about the escalating violence in the region. Yesterday was a quiet day and we were hope hoping that quiet would hold, but today, we have seen three attacks or alleged attacks by Palestinians. One was a ramming attack at a bus station in the West Bank, one was a hit-and-run attack. That driver has since turned himself in according to Israel army radio and the other was a stabbing attack.

So we've seen the attacks, we've seen the tension here, and everybody on edge because of these attacks, and they're likely to be the focus of Netanyahu's remarks. The tension of course high here, that's nothing unusual except now they are incredibly high with very heavy security measures in and around Jerusalem.

Interestingly enough today, three attacks were not in Jerusalem which has been the focus of the tension up until not but we're in Hebron in the West Bank, which is a city known for the tense and contentious atmosphere, because a small minority of the Israeli settlers live amidst a much larger population of Palestinians and that often leads to clashes. Clashes today we saw not in Hebron, but Bethlehem and Ramallah, so again the clashes, the violence, the attacks on Israeli's likely to be at the center of Prime Minister Netanyahu's Remarks as you he speaks with U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: All right, thank you for that Oren Liebermann. We're going to continue to watch those live mics and we should also mention one of the biggest developments was the arrest of Hassan Yusef, Hamas leader. That the highest level arrest since this latest span of violence broke.

[13:00:04] I am going to pass you over to my colleague Wolf Blitzer, whose program begins right now.