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Russia Hits Back Over Allegations of Widespread Cheating in Athletics; Who's to Blame for Bringing Down MetroJet Flight 9268?; Ben Carson's Past. Aired 3-4p ET
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HALA GORANI, HOST: Tonight Russia hits back over allegations of widespread cheating in athletics.
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GORANI: But its anti-doping agency admits that there were problems. Plus, was this shadowy figure to blame for bringing down Metro Jet flight 9268?
And how Ben Carson's past could come back to haunt him at tonight's Republican debate. We have a preview.
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GORANI: Also, why Apple believes the days of computers like - why like this one could well be numbered.
Hello everyone, I'm Hala Gorani, we're coming to you live from CNN London. Thanks for your company this evening, this is the Word Right Now.
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GORANI: Now to the fallout from that damning report alleging widespread doping in Russian athletics. It is coming hard and it is coming fast.
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GORANI: The head of Russia's anti-doping agency now admits to, "problems" inside his organization but says Russia is correcting them. A Moscow lab
caught up in the scandal shut down after its accreditation was suspended by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Something the head of that agency told us on
this program first yesterday.
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GORANI: Now, earlier the Kremlin called the allegations contained in Monday's report from WADA groundless.
Our senior international correspondent Matthew Chance is investigating this complex story for us and he joins me now live from Moscow.
Matthew, what are you hearing there from Moscow on what authorities are saying? This is really the second day where they have an opportunity to
digest this explosive report.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is and it's the first day that the Kremlin have actually taken the step of reacting to it.
And they're absolutely furious, it seems. The spokesperson of Vladimir Putin, the Russian President, his name is Dmitry Peskov issued a statement
earlier today saying the report was groundless, as you mentioned, saying that the allegations in it came without evidence and could not be trusted.
And so the Kremlin is categorically rejecting these allegations, particularly the idea that it is complicit in some kind of state-sponsored
or state-supported doping program, which the report, of course, accused Russia of engaging in. And that denial has pretty much set the tone for
other Russian officials as well who have been talking about this issue over the course of the past 24 hours, and particularly over the course of today.
The Russian Sports Minister saying that Russian labs, one of which has now been suspended, are the best in the world when it comes to testing
athletes. Saying that the problems with doping are well known and have already been dealt with. The head of RUSADA, which is the Russian Anti-
Doping Agency, saying that although there are technical problems, technical issues bringing the test up to the level required by international
standards, still, the thrust of the report has been rejected. Let's take a listen to what he had to say, his name is again Nikita Kamaev.
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NIKITA KAMAEV, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RUSADA: (As translated) I believe that problems obviously exist but Russia is on the path to clear its name and
change. This is a trend recently. It is strange to talk about that for me, as if I am praising myself, but according to objective facts, the Russian
Anti-Doping Agency, based on the criteria suggested for the national agencies by the international agency itself, operates totally in accordance
with their criteria and fights doping effectively enough.
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CHANCE: Well that was Nikta Kamaev, the Director of RUSADA, the Russian Anti-Doping Agency. And so, yes, a strong defense by Russian officials of
this report.
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CHANCE: Basically, again, saying that, yes, there are some problems, but the thrust of the article is denied.
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GORANI: All right, Matthew Chance, our senior international correspondent live in Moscow, thanks very much for that.
Let's turn to the investigation into the downing of Metro Jet flight 9268.
Speaking of Russia's government of course it is also very much involved in that tragic story.
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GORANI: It now says flights to Egypt could be suspended for months. Moscow canceled all air travel to the country last week after the jet crashed in
the Sinai. The cause is still unclear, but the U.S. And the U.K. believe a bomb may have been planted on board, as we've been reporting. But here's
what's interesting today.
The Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is also weighing in saying the Russian plane crash in Egypt may have been the result of a terrorist
attack. Something said on the Prime Minister's official twitter account.
So, now we're having the Russian government coming around to the idea that, perhaps, indeed this was some sort of bomb.
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GORANI: And we're learning more about the ISIS affiliate in the Sinai that claims it's responsible for the crash and the shadowy figure that leads it.
Our Ben Wedeman joins us now live from Cairo with that angle of the story. Hi, Ben.
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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, hi, Hala. This group and its leaders remain shrouded in mystery. However, the danger they
pose is crystal clear.
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WEDEMAN: He goes by the name Abu Osama al Masri, a shadowy figure some say is the mastermind behind between the downing of Metro Jet flight 9268. It
was his voice that claimed in an audio message that Wilayat Sinai, the ISIS affiliated group waging an insurgency in the Northern Sinai Peninsula
brought the plane down, killing all 224 on board. But was he the mastermind? We asked Sinai watcher Mokhtar Awad.
MOKHTAR AWAD, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: I would be surprised if anyone can prove that. I don't know that we can have that kind of evidence. He is
somebody who can provide the justification. He is somebody that can speak on why Wilayat Sinai did it. We don't know him as a military commander. We
don't know him as a military strategist.
WEDEMAN: So when Abu Osama al-Masri does appear, his face is always blurred. And his real identity or any other details are equally blurry,
although his accent is distinctly from main land Egypt, not Sinai.
AWAD: The problem is we don't actually know who he is. There are multiple theories put forward by Egyptian security officials on who he might be.
WEDEMAN: Egyptian investigators have yet to pronounce on the probable or possible cause of the crash of the Russian jetliner. But increasingly
western intelligence officials suspect it was a bomb and the likely suspect behind it was Wilayat Sinai. In the past two years hundreds of Egyptian
soldiers and policemen have been killed by Wilayat Sinai.
AWAD: They grew from a group that was blowing up pipelines into a full- blown insurgency in the Sinai. They use advanced anti-tank missiles and also man pads to successfully down a helicopter before and has tried to do
that also on several occasions.
WEDEMAN: Its tactics well documented in graphic videos posted on social media are increasingly deadly. Knocking out tanks and armored personnel
carriers, overrunning check (inaudible), even hitting an Egyptian naval vessel with a guided missile and now, perhaps, including smuggling bombs
onto airplanes.
The identity of the group's leaders remains a mystery, despite being hemmed in by Egyptian intelligence on one side and Israeli intelligence on the
other.
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WEDEMAN: And it doesn't, in a sense, make any difference who the leader of this group is. Other leaders of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda have been
killed, but the groups go on and they are replaced, in a sense, the leaders come and go, but these terror groups remain. Hala?
GORANI: Well Ben, of course, ISIS usually quickly claims responsibility for attacks. It provides evidence. It leaves no doubt as to the extent of its -
- as to its responsibility in some of these attacks. In this particular case we got a claim of responsibility, but we haven't been provided with
any more information. Why is that in this particular case?
WEDEMAN: Well, we don't know. I mean for one thing to actually come out and explain how they somehow in theory because of course at this point we don't
know conclusively what brought down that plane, to come out and say we did x, y and z to cause this plane to crash could seriously expose their
sources, their people on the ground.
Now, we did hear them say in that initial audio message that, go ahead, check your black boxes, do your studies, analyze your data, but you will
see in the end that we did it. So, in a sense, the final chapter has not yet been written by this group. That they may well at some point come out
with more details about how they did it. But certainly western intelligence officials are looking increasingly in their direction when it comes to
responsibility for bringing down this aircraft. Hala?
GORANI: All right, our senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman in Cairo.
Ben mentioned western intelligence officials and we have some new information just in about the Russian passenger jet crash that officials
believe was by a bomb. Let's get right to CNN's Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr with more. Barbara, what are you learning at the pentagon?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well Hala, Russian officials have promised to share evidence if they get it of bomb residue and
explosive on the plane, but so far that hasn't happened.
So absent direct evidence, U.S. officials have been trying to construct a working theory based on what they do have of what may have happened to the
plane.
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STARR: Now, again, they don't have bomb residue. They don't have access to the wreckage. They don't have the autopsies of those who perished on board.
So, information is minimal, but based on that heat flash that a U.S. satellite picked up, the belief of that loud explosion noise on one of the
data recorders, other intercepts that they have after the attack, they believe now the bomb, and it was likely, they say, a bomb, most likely that
that is what happened. That it may have likely been made from some type of readily available explosive in the reason, a military-grade plastic
explosive, such as c-4.
This is something that would be readily available in the region, that they could mold, use a relatively small amount, hide it on board the plane. And
they also believe there was, in fact, some sort of timing device on it set to go off after the plane, of course, had taken off and was mid-air.
What we're also being told is right now, no direct evidence that ISIS in Syria, ISIS headquarters, leadership, if you will, directly ordered this
attack. That it was basically plotted, planned and carried out in the Sinai region and then that those involved in it later bragged in some sort of
communication back to ISIS, but this did not appear at the moment to be a centrally controlled ISIS attack.
It should be said, Hala, that U.S. officials say all of this can change as they get more information, as they get more intelligence, and if they can
get access to some of the direct data that is available but not yet being shared. Hala?
GORANI: Right. Because they're not -- they don't have access right now to forensic evidence. All right, interesting, Barbara Starr at the pentagon,
thanks very much for joining us with this news just in.
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GORANI: A lot more to come this evening. Getting back into the ring. Republican Presidential hopefuls are set to face off for a fourth time.
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GORANI: Will front-runner Ben Carson be able to overcome some recent controversies about his past? We will be live in Milwaukee.
And it was a massacre that escalated the conflict in Northern Ireland. We'll tell you why a man has been arrested today, more than 40 years after
bloody Sunday. Stay with us.
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GORANI: It is debate number four for the U.S. Republican Presidential candidates. It is the first time they will share the stage since the last
debate, of course, which saw the campaigns up in arms over what they called gotcha questions from moderators. They were so unhappy, they wanted new
rules for debates. That didn't happen. Now, this particular one takes place in Milwaukee, Wisconsin , that's where we find CNN's Sunlen Serfaty and our
senior media correspondent Brian Stelter.
Sunlen, I'm going to start with you. First of all the front-runners, Ben Carson and Donald Trump, they're leading in the polls. What is their
strategy to stay there? This is debate number four this evening.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think the strategy for both of them will be do no harm tonight. As you said, they are both
leading nationally.
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SERFATY: (In audible) well above everyone else. But for Ben Carson, the spotlight will certainly be on him tonight. He has really been under the
microscope this week with all these questions about his past. He has pushed back very aggressively against the media, so it will be interesting tonight
to see how fiercely he brings that similar line of attack, especially if any candidates up there on the stage attack him over these inconsistencies
in his past, Hala?
GORANI: And Brian, this is as much a media story as it is a political story. After the CNBC debate the candidates were unhappy. They said the
moderators were being disrespectful, that they were trying to trap them with questions. What's going to be different this time?
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STELTER: This is going to be the anti-CNBC debate. You know, the attempt is going to be not to have any chaos, to have absolute control. Let me give
you an example, there is going to be a buzzer so that if candidates do go over their time they're going to be cut off, not by moderators but by a
buzzer, which I think will probably be more effective. It will be changes like that that will also according to the moderators be more of a focus on
economic questions.
But even if they don't ask about Carson's life stories, I have a feeling other candidates will bring it up. I have a feeling candidates are going to
want to go after each other on topics like that, and this may end up taking the headlines even though this is supposed to be about the economy.
GORANI: Well what kind of buzzer? I mean is it one of those [noise] One of those -- do we know? You know do we have the buzzer sound?
STELTER: It is - it is exactly one of those. You know Fox News used it back in August, it worked well back then so that is going to be a way to
maintain control.
Also longer answers right, 90 seconds to answer questions. 60 seconds to rebut. So, they're going to have more talk time and fewer candidates on
stage.
GORANI: Right, well, in television 90 seconds is an eternity.
Now let's talk Sunlen about the candidates who really need to make their mark. Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina, others.
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GORANI: You know, this is the fourth debate. This isn't the beginning of the race anymore. What is their strategy?
SERFATY: That's right it is really for many candidates a fight for relevancy up there tonight.
I think there is a lot of pressure certainly on Jeb Bush.
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SERFATY: Since the last debate, his poor performance in the last debate, he's hired a media strategist, the goal to make him feel more comfortable
up there on the debate stage, be more assertive in his responses but he has a lot to prove.
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SERFATY: Same goes for Carly Fiorina. She has really risen to a high level during these debates and gotten a lot of attention. But then the pattern
we've seen with her is that she's really dropped in the polls afterwards. She has a problem resonating past the debate night. So I think the pressure
is on both of them tonight.
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GORANI: And Brian, I want to ask you about one question I never thought would be asked of a Presidential candidate. Would you go back in time and
kill baby Hitler? And that question was asked of Jeb bush. Before I get you to comment on it, here's how he answered it.
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JEB BUSH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I said if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you? I need to know. Hell yeah I would.
Look, you got to -- got to step up, man.
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GORANI: And the follow-up, even if he was really cute. I mean these types of questions are the ones that get the media attention, though, in the
United States. How is that affecting the race?
STELTER: They do, they definitely do. This all started with the "New York Times" raising this question weeks ago. "The Huffington Post" asked Jeb
Bush about it. I do think this debate will be a Hitler-free zone tonight.
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STELTER: But that said, it is those moments, sometimes almost comic moments or sometimes questions you would never expect that do end up mattering the
most. I talked to moderator Maria Bartiromo, she said no gotcha questions but there will be tough pointed questions. As long as the tone is
respectful, I don't think we'll see more of the media bias complaints we saw two weeks ago with the CNBC debate.
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GORANI: All right, and Sunlen, quickly to you. Lastly, not all of the candidates are on the stage for the prime time debate. You have those such
as Chris Christie, who've slipped, they're at the sort of minor league debate. I mean, there we have them there up on our screen for our viewers.
Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal. I mean, is this it for them if they don't break out of the pack?
SERFATY: Well this provides a big potential for Chris Christie to really shine during this so-called undercard debate. He did well on the last one
and now he has, as you point out, dropped down to the lower stage debate. But he could potentially bring a lot of energy to that undercard debate and
really get himself a good amount of attention, especially when he's going up against these lower tiered candidates, the ones that you know really do
need to have a good night. Polling very low. So it potentially gives him a good moment to stand out.
GORANI: OK, Sunlen Serfaty, and Brian Stelter, thanks to both of you and we'll be talking with you again hopefully soon with more from Milwaukee on
this fourth Republican Presidential debate. Thanks to both of you.
A lot more coming up this evening.
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GORANI: In or out of the European Union. David Cameron says Britain faces, "the biggest vote in our lifetime." He has set out a list of reforms. We'll
tell you what they are in a few minutes.
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GORANI: Former West German Chancellor, Helmut Schmidt has died at the age of 96.
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GORANI: He served from 1974 until 1982 during the height of the Cold War, when relations with East Germany were at an all-time low.
But maybe his biggest challenge came in 1977 when Palestinian terrorist hijacked the Lufthansa passenger plane. They eventually flew it to
Mowigadishu, Somalia where the kidnappers killed the pilot. Schmidt ordered the storming of the plane saving all the passengers.
In later years the chain-smoking Helmut Schmidt became an author and elder statesman.
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GORANI: Now, Britain is facing a monumental choice in the next few years. Stay in the European Union or go it alone? Ahead of an important referendum
promised to the British people that has to take place before the end of 2017, the Prime Minister in this country, David Cameron, aims to
renegotiate Britain's ties with the E.U. and then asking his countrymen and women if they want to stay in or if they want to leave. He laid out his
objectives as Max Foster explains to us now.
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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: David Cameron spelled it out like this.
DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: This is, perhaps, the most important decision that the British people will have to take at the ballot box in our
lifetimes.
FOSTER: Before 2018, British people will vote on whether to leave the European Union. Cameron wants to stay in, but only if he can renegotiate
Britain's membership of the club.
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CAMERON: If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There'll not be another renegotiation and another referendum.
FOSTER: It was all set out in a letter to Brussels. The starting gun for the Battle of Britain and Europe. So, what does he want? Well, firstly, he
wants to protect the single market for Britain and other countries that did not adopt the Euro. He wants to make the E.U. more competitive by cutting
red tape on businesses. To protect Britain's autonomy from E.U policies and laws. And most controversially, to control migration from the E.U and to
restrict benefits for out of work migrants.
ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: (As translated) We want to take a solution-oriented approach to dealing with these proposals. There are some
difficult points and some less difficult points, but if one has a spirit of wanting to solve this, then I have a certain confidence that this can work
out.
GEORGE PARKER, POLITICAL EDITOR, FINANCIAL TIMES: David Cameron's proposal on the face of it seems discriminative of European Nationals who come to
work in the U.K. So it's a difficult one to pull off. Politically it's difficult of course because countries like Poland see this as a direct
attack on their citizens who are migrating to the U.K. to work. So it's a difficult one, it could require the European laws to change, it could
require British law to change as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: [Video] Every week the United Kingdom sends 350 million pounds of taxpayers' money to the EU.
FOSTER: Campaigners wanting to leave Europe are already hard of work. To them, the upcoming referendum is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Many of
them are in Cameron's own Conservative party.
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FOSTER: The problem David Cameron's got is that he's widely regarded as a pro-European and many here in London's political quarter can't quite
believe that he would choose to leave the union if he didn't get reform. But he has to convince his E.U. counterparts that he is serious. Otherwise
he's just undermining his own negotiating position.
Max Foster, CNN, London.
GORANI: All right, the votes in Myanmar's first Democratic election are being counted.
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GORANI: But the pro-democracy campaigner, Aung San Suu Kyi, is already predicting a resounding victory. We'll have more ahead.
Also --
JEB BUSH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: [Video] When I left there were $9 billion in reserves. We reduced the state government workforce by 13,000
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GORANI: Jeb Bush looks to rev up his Presidential campaign with a new ad and a rock 'n' roll soundtrack. Will it work? We'll have more on tonight's
Republican debate next.
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GORANI: A look at our top stories. A Moscow lab caught up in a doping investigation has closed its doors because it lost its accreditation from
the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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GORANI: Now the head of Russia's Anti-Doping Agency now admits to problems inside his organization but says Russia is correcting them.
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GORANI: Also among our top stories, some news just into CNN concerning the Russian plane crash in Egypt.
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GORANI: Our Barbara Starr says U.S. officials believe that it was likely a bomb that brought down the jetliner. They also said the most likely
scenario is that an airport insider planted the bomb with a timer rather than a passenger.
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GORANI: The vote count continues in Myanmar, but the opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi is predicting an overwhelming victory for her party. She says
that her party, which is called the National League for Democracy will secure enough votes to take over parliament from the country's military-
backed rulers.
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AUNG SAN SUU KYI: Simply that, (above) the President I make all the decisions because I'm the leader of the winning party and the President
will be one whom will chose just in order to meet the requirements of the constitution. And you have to understand this perfectly well that he will
have no authority. That he will act in accordance with the positions of the party.
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GORANI: CNN's Ivan Watson is in Yangon.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The Noble Peace prize winning leader of Myanmar's main opposition party is claiming a massive victory in
last Sunday's historic national elections.
Aung San Suu Kyi spoke with the BBC and claimed that her party may have won as much as 75% of the vote. Of course, international election observers,
even the White House are warning all parties involved in this electoral contest not to jump to conclusions too soon because the main election
commission here still has only published about a quarter of the results of this vote.
Earlier I was able to speak with the number two man in the opposition National League for Democracy, the NLD. And asked him how it felt to be on
the verge of possible victory.
How does it feel to win?
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WATSON: Election observers from the European Union, from the Carter Center, they have all congratulated Myanmar on what they say was a big test for
democracy in this country. They all say there were major structural flaws in the election. They say that the advance voting was particularly
troublesome and nontransparent, but they again all say that this was a major step forward for a country that had lived under strict military
dictatorship for more than 50 years.
There had been two nights of big street celebrations outside the headquarters of Aung San Suu Kyi's political party here in Yangon, but now
it seems that all parties are trying to cool down the street celebrations and they're waiting for the election commission to continue its critical
work to determine once and for all who really did win this election and how much the win could have been for the main opposition in this country.
Ivan Watson, CNN, Yangon.
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GORANI: Now to this story that really goes back in time, but has a lot of relevance and resonance today. Police in Northern Ireland have arrested a
66-year-old former British soldier in connection with the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre. That's when 14 Catholics were killed. British troops
opened fire on them. It was a civil rights march. It is the first arrest following a renewed murder investigation that was launched in 2012.
Our international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson has more.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: On Sunday the 30th of January 1972, British paratroopers shot 27 unarmed Catholics in
Londonderry's bogside during a civil rights march. 14 were killed. The British army claimed the republican paramilitary, the IRA, fired first. The
IRA denied it. Bloody Sunday, as it became known, was to prove a watershed in the history of Irish republicanism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Bloody Sunday it could be said made the IRA, the mass based organization that they subsequently become and thereby made
(Martin McInnis) into a leader with a mass following.
ROBERTSON: In the months that followed, the Catholic IRA, the Irish Republican Army, fighting for United Ireland escalated the conflict.
Hundreds of bombs exploded in the early 1970s. Bloody Sunday made the conflict longer, deepened the divide between Catholics and Protestants, who
like the British troops, wanted Northern Ireland to remain part of the U.K. 25 years later, 3,000 people have been killed. A peace agreement in 1998
ended the fighting, but didn't heal the wounds of Bloody Sunday. So contention were the killings that day that one of the first steps after
peace saw the British government establish a dedicated inquiry. It lasted 12 years, cost an estimated $300 million. No one was charged. Although five
British soldiers were accused of shooting unarmed civilians.
CAMERON: Both unjustified and unjustifiable, it was wrong.
ROBERTSON: Not long after, the British Prime Minister took the momentous step of an official apology.
CAMERON: I am deeply sorry.
ROBERTSON: The arrest of a former British soldier appears to be the next significant move towards justice for Bloody Sunday's victims. It is
significant because peace in Northern Ireland came without reconciliation. A step only to political progress not healing hearts.
But in the past year or so, more unsolved high-profile murders have been pursued by the police. Gene McConville, a widowed mother of ten, abducted
and executed by the IRA in 1972. And most recently, a high profile double agent known as Stakeknife. Taken together, the latest arrests and the other
cases hint at a change that may bring some solace for some victims but will also open old wounds for those who feel they're being unfairly singled out
while others walk free.
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GORANI: Let's get the very latest on what this arrest could mean. Nic Robertson joins me now live. Nic, why did it take so long?
ROBERTSON: It's certainly not, if you listen to politicians, something to do with political will.
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ROBERTSON: It seems to be a logical extension of the police going through and looking at the old cases, which is something that, of course, they've
got - they've got lots of on their desk.
You know I talked to one investigating officer a few years ago in Northern Ireland and he told me the rate of murders in Northern Ireland during the
troubles were -- you know, in double digits some weeks. Normally he said in a murder inquiry you might have 50 to 100 officers on any case in a normal
police force. He said in Northern Ireland, it was impossible.
So while some have been very contentious and difficult to get at for that reason, it has been in some cases merely a matter of logistics of getting
through all the information and evidence and putting enough people on it.
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GORANI: All right, Nic Robertson, our diplomatic editor, thanks very much for joining us on this story. This is the World Right Now.
Still ahead, the U.S.. Republican candidates are set to face off for a fourth time this evening.
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GORANI: This evening U.S. time, middle of the night if you're in Europe, but maybe you'll stay up and watch it because it's been entertaining. Can
front-runners and Donald Trump and Ben Carson hold their spots? I'll speak to a former political director for George W. Bush.
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GORANI: The U.S. Presidential election is now less than a year away and tonight the Republicans running for the White House will debate each other
again.
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GORANI: Ben Carson and Donald Trump are the current front-runners. Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush will be looking to make major gains in this debate.
The moderators will also be under the spotlight this evening. The last debate was hosted by CNBC. Now it was slammed by the candidates and the
campaigns and even some media observers said that the questions were designed to entrap the candidates, that they weren't respectful of the
candidates.
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GORANI: Let's cross to Washington, D.C now, I'm joined live by Matt Schlapp, he's a former political director for U.S. President George W.
Bush. He's also the Chairman of the American Conservative Union.
Matt Schlapp, thanks for being on the program again. All right, let's talk a little about the front-runners here. Ben Carson is now in the lead.
Donald Trump also is going to try to come out on top in this debate.
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GORANI: What is going to be, do you think, their strategy right now? By the way, here's the latest pol. Carson at 24%, Trump at 23%, Rubio at12%.
MATT SCHLAPP, CHAIRMAN, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION: You know Hala, the first thing is you can't read too much into the horse race numbers, the
exact percentages that each of the candidates have.
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SCHLAPP: The one thing you can say about this race for sure is that Trump and Carson are at the front. And Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Carly
Fiorina and the rest of these other candidates, they want to land some punches so that they can be seen by these voters as someone who has a real
chance.
GORANI: But I mean are there -- in this case the Democrats, Hillary Clinton in particular, they're looking at this race right now with Ben Carson and
Donald Trump in the lead and in your opinion, if you were advising them, thinking what?
SCHLAPP: Well, I think they're scratching their heads because they don't understand how someone like Ben Carson can actually be tying or beating
Hillary Clinton in almost all the polls.
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SCHLAPP: When you get to those two-person numbers, it's more compelling. And I think you know these outside candidates are real capturing a spirit
in America that's unusual. In the sense that we usually look to candidates who have a lot of elected experience. And in this election, it's kind of
the opposite of Hillary Clinton, people who have no elected experience.
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GORANI: Right. But I mean, in two-person race scenarios, pitting Ben Carson against Hillary Clinton, Ben Carson is actually giving Hillary Clinton a
run for her money? Are those some of the latest --
SCHLAPP: Oh, yes, oh yes. In almost all the polls, they're tight but he's leading or they're tied. So, the Ben Carson phenomenon, the Donald Trump
phenomenon, it's not just a Republican phenomenon. There's a real spirit in this country to try to -- to try out new people. To try out a different
model for who should be the next President. And it's causing complete havoc on the Republican side.
GORANI: Now, I don't have to tell you this, but this time last election and at this exact stage in the race, do you remember who was ahead in the
Republican polls?
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SCHLAPP: Not the person who got the nomination. And you're a good journalist because you know that people like Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain
and others led the field. And you know it's very rare in Republican politics to have a candidate lead from the beginning to the end.
And so you've already seen Ben Carson start to overtake Donald Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if you see another candidate take the lead for a
while. It's -- like I said, it's a little chaotic. But that's okay. That's how democracy works.
GORANI: So Matt, it was Herman Cain at this stage in 2012 who was leading the field.
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GORANI: Let's talk a little bit about Jeb Bush. He has a very recognizable family name. You, of course, were political director for George W. Bush.
He's not doing well. I mean there's no other way to describe it.
Now I want to show our viewers a new ad - a new campaign ad where he's portrayed in this kind of go-getter, rock 'n' roll kind of way with a
soundtrack as well that's kind of a rock 'n' roll soundtrack. Let's watch it for just a moment and then I'll get your thoughts.
JEB BUSH: [VIDEO] When I left there were $9 billion in reserves. We reduced the state government workforce by 13,000. The one thing that Barack
Obama, and I would say Hillary Clinton, in their philosophy, the people of their ilk have proven is that the progressive agenda run amuck has failed.
What I proved as governor is that you can cut spending and still prioritize towards the things that matter.
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GORANI: All right, when you see a campaign ad like this one, do you think it's going to help him?
SCHLAPP: Yes, I do. I think he has to tie his conservative record as Governor of Florida with what he wants to do for the country. The only
thing I would like to see him do is to step even further into issues that conservatives care about.
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SCHLAPP: Jeb Bush defunded planned parenthood. Jeb Bush stood by Terri Schiavo's bedside. Jeb Bush made sure that the Second Amendment and our gun
rights were protected. So I'd like him to stay on the scene. It's the only way he's going to resurrect as a candidate.
GORANI: Let me ask you something, and I think our international viewers would want to ask you this question as well Matt, as I mentioned you were
political director for George W. Bush.
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GORANI: Let's talk about Ben Carson and Donald Trump in particular. Because they're not main stream candidates. They're not career politicians.
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GORANI: And to an international audience, particularly some of the things these two candidates say, Ben Carson, for instance, on how pyramids were
built by Joseph and used for grain storage, I mean, things that sound outrageous or in some cases actually very ignorant of historic facts. How
are they doing so well among Republicans? What is their appeal, exactly?
SCHLAPP: Because they're not seen as professional politicians. They're not seen as particularly polished. The electorate is forgiving them when they
make faux pas and mistakes. And they're you know - they're cutting them some slack.
Because they look at the problems in our country, the look at the policies of Barack Obama, which are so progressive, and so far to the left - more
left wing than any other President in my lifetime, and they look at that and they're having a reaction to it and saying, we've got to stand up to
Obama and we've got to try a different type of model. Somebody who will actually say no to the left.
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SCHLAPP: And so, what's happening in America is a very strong ideological disagreement politically, more so than we've seen in a long time.
GORANI: All right, Matt, I've got to quickly ask you who do you think has the best chance at beating, if, indeed, Hillary Clinton is the nominee for
the Democratic party, who do you think has the best chance at beating her? And I know you want a Republican to win obviously.
SCHLAPP: Look, I do. I think there's a lot of -- there's something compelling about Carly Fiorina. Nominating a woman to take on another
woman,
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SCHLAPP: I think it would be great for this country. And I think Republicans and Carly would do great under that scenario. But there are
three or four of our candidates who are beating Hillary in head-to-head contests. So I think Republicans have a great chance.
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GORANI: All right, Matt Schlapp, thanks much. Good talking to you and thanks for joining us on the program.
SCHLAPP: Thank you Hala.
GORANI: And on Tuesday's show we talked about the controversy surrounding Starbucks abolishing Christmas themes from its coffee cups. Well now Donald
Trump is coming to the rescue of that beleaguered holiday that nobody celebrates anymore.
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GORANI: The Republican Presidential candidate is toying with the idea of boycotting the coffee chain, even though, as he says, one of its most
successful locations is inside Trump Tower. At a campaign stop Trump said, if he became President, " we are all going to say Merry Christmas again."
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GORANI: All right, coming up, Apple gets ready to launch the iPad pro.
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GORANI: And the CEO, Tim Cook, believes it could send the PC to the junkyard for good. But will it? We'll discuss.
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GORANI: Apple's newest product is set to go on sale Wednesday.
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GORANI: The company is touting the iPad pro as bigger, faster and more powerful than any other version of the device. CEO Tim Cook thinks it will
revolutionize the computer world. In an interview with "The Telegraph" he said, "I think if you're looking at a pc, why would you buy a pc anymore?
No, really, why would you buy one?" Quite a bold statement considering pcs are still a staple in the global workforce and a big selling item for
Apple.
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GORANI: Let's bring in business correspondent Samuel Burke, he joins me now from New York. So, is the pc dead? I mean The iPad so far has not all
killed the pc. So why make that statement now?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: PCs are dying, Hala, but they're dying a slow death. And while pcs are actually - are actually down for most
companies, for Apple, take a look at these numbers.
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BURKE: Mac sales are actually up. Take a look at the past year, quarter by quarter and look at quarter four, 2015. 5.7 million Macs sold. That is an
all-time record for this company.
But now let's show you iPad sales, on the other hand, even though everybody talks about tablets and the death of the pcs. Look at iPad sales. Down,
down, down. Only 9.8 million iPads sold in this past quarter.
So, I think Tim Cook wants the iPad to do very well, this new one, and so that's part of the reason that he's going after pcs.
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BURKE: And I'm sure in the long term he might be dead -- the pc might be dead rather, but think about at work Hala, that's probably the one place
you use a pc. And would you really want to be on a tablet all day at work?
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GORANI: No. And also the tablet, for me at least, I don't know about our viewers, I don't know about you, but for me the tablet has never replaced
the pc. There's something about using a computer that you can open as the keyboard --
BURKE: Even at home?
GORANI: Absolutely. At home I use a computer, I use a laptop. The iPad has not replaced it for me. I know many people for whom the iPad is a
complement to the pc but not a replacement to the pc. So what is so different about an iPad pro that could make Tim Cook say this?
BURKE: Well, this iPad pro is much bigger. Let's just put up stats on the screen so your viewers can see what sets this iPad apart from previous
iPads.
Number one, 32 centimeters diagonally, or 12.9 inches for us inches folks, starts at $799. I just bought my mom an iPad for $299. She preferred the
small one over the big one. It does have a smart keyboard and maybe that's what could make people go for this. It starts at $169. And then there's the
stylus, the Apple pencil, 99 bucks. I'm not forking out 99 bucks for a stylus. For a pencil.
GORANI: $99. What is so special about it - what is so special about it?
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BURKE: Well, unlike a normal pencil, you can't use that to write on the screen but with this you can use it to write on the screen. I think a lot
of graphic artists maybe are going to go after these type of iPad Pros, but they've said enterprise users, but I can't see us at work using these and I
can't see a waiter or waitress coming to take my order on an iPad Pro. It's so big on the screen.
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GORANI: But Samuel, we only have a few seconds, but I need to ask you this. So we're not seeing new products from Apple here. These are still upgrades
on existing products. Isn't that a problem?
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BURKE: They're just stretching it out and making a difference. The watch is the newest product but this iPad Pro is just stretching out a previous
product.
GORANI: All right. Samuel Burke in New York, thanks very much.
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GORANI: Don't forget, you can get all the news, interviews and analysis whether you're on a laptop, a desktop, your iPad, your phone,
facebook.com/Halagoranicnn.
And by the way, Prince George might just be the world's most famous toddler, but do you ever wonder what he'll look like once he takes the
throne? Do you?
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GORANI: Well, a British university has analyzed the 2-year-old's features. He's giving us a glimpse into his royal future. Take a look. Here's what
researchers say he will look like at 7, 20 and 40. And finally, 60. The team say they're confident they revealed a face that will be the face of
eventually one day the future King. Looks like Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson will be the new King of England.
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GORANI: This has been the World Right Now, I'm Hala Gorani, thanks for watching.
The king of business news is up next. Richard Quest.
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