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LINDA KINKADE, HOST: Tonight, Europe tries to tackle a monumental migrant crisis.
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KINKADE: Thousands of people flood into the continent while governments try to find a solution. I will speak to the Croatian Deputy Prime Minister.
Also reports emerge of a possible Russian plan to end the Syrian civil war. We will explain the details.
Plus an incredible story of survival. Hear how one young woman endured being rained thousands of times and now she's speaking out about her
horrific ordeal.
And we'll look at the winners and losers from the latest Republican Presidential candidates' debate.
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KINKADE: Hello, I'm Linda Kinkade live from the CNN center and this is "The World Right Now."
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KINKADE: 800,000 people and counting.
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KINKADE: That's the number of migrants and refugees who have arrived on European shores so far this year. Despite talking about the crisis for
months European Union leaders still don't have a cohesive strategy for stemming the tide.
They're hoping to finally reach some consensus at a two-day summit in Malta. Dozens of African leaders are also attending. The E.U could offer
African near $2 billion to help tackle the crisis including cracking down on smuggling rings.
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KINKADE: Now about one fifth of the migrants coming to Europe depart from Africa risking their lives on a dangerous journey across the Mediterranean.
But the majority travel through Turkey and Greece before heading to healthier countries in northern and Western Europe.
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KINKADE: You can see which nations have imposed border controls at times forcing migrants and refugees to take alternative routes. Let's get the
latest now from our Atika Shubert, live at the Austrian/Slovenia border in - we're going to join her now.
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KINKADE: Atika, you're on the border you've been witnessing this sort of migrant movement there. What can you tell us?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes well, when Hungary sealed off its border with razor wire fencing it basically forced
refugees to take an alternative route through the Balkans. So they came through Slovenia, the smallest of the Balkan states.
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SHUBERT: And it was really overwhelmed. Just two weeks ago we saw these pictures of columns of refugees going through the fields there crossing the
border. And so they've tried to impose a little bit more order and police were able to give us access today to the border crossing between Austria
and Slovenia.
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SHUBERT: Normally people would just pass right through but because of the refugee crisis they've tried to sort of funnel refugees directly into the
area here behind me and it's open 24 hours a day. Take a look.
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SHUBERT: Through sunshine and rain, refugees keep coming. This time through Slovenia into the small village of Speielfeld on the Austrian border. After
Hungary closed its borders this has become the new road to Europe.
Now, this is the border between Slovenia and Austria. As you can refugees and asylum seekers are lined up here. They let in about 50 at a time and
Austrian police tell us that every day now they've had around 5,000 wanting to come in.
Many of the refugees come from Syria, but we also spoke to Afghans and Iranians. This family of 12 came from Lattakia in Syria with one
destination in mind.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Germany.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Germany.
SHUBERT: That is the answer for the vast majority coming through. Believing Germany to be friendlier to their plight.
Because Austria is within the E.U. with no external borders legally it does not need to register and fingerprint refugees so it serves as a transit
point.
The border is now staffed 24 hours with Austrian police and army, pulling extra hours to provide security and medical care. Volunteers cook vats of
soup and curry. No one knows when the numbers crossing will slow down, but Austrian police are preparing for the long haul.
It's a tough situation, says this officer, it takes time and a lot of manpower. We have reinforcements coming in from all over Austria and we
have to work together. The personal family life needs to be put on hold for a while, but this is the situation and we will manage it, he says.
From here refugees board buses, they'll be taken to temporary shelters and they'll be given a choice, do they want to claim asylum here in Austria or
go on to Germany.
The vast majority Germany is the answer. This is only a temporary stop on their long journey.
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SHUBERT: Now for so many of the refugees, particularly coming from Syria, they're going to Germany because they believe they will find it easier to
claim asylum there. But it's not clear just how welcome they will be in Germany, either. And the last few days there has been a big political
debate there on whether or not in fact they should curtail the rights of Syrian refugees coming in, whether or not, for example, their families will
not be allowed to join them after all, whether they'll only be allowed to stay for a limited period of time.
So it's not clear exactly what the policy not only in Germany but across Europe will be in accepting these refugees. In the meantime winter is
coming and there are fears that with the temperature dropping people will be put in further danger as they attempt to make that dangerous crossing
across the Aegean and the Baltic states.
KINKADE: Yes it's certainly going to become a much worse experience for those migrants and refugees. Atika Shubert, thank you very much for your
reporting.
And for more on Europe's response to the crisis we're joined by Vesna Pusic, Deputy Prime Minister of Croatia. She's also the country's Foreign
Minister.
Thank you very much for joining us today we appreciate it.
Now winter is approaching as we have just seen in Atika's report, the migrants continue to come. How is Croatia coping?
VESNA PUSIC, DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF CROATIA: We are coping. We have prepared winter camp.
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PUSIC: And we are dealing with between 5,000 and times 10,000 people a day. But this can only be a temporary solution because all these countries on
the so-called western Balkan routes -- route are the countries that people are transiting through. They're entering European Union on the
Turkish/Greek borer, but then they just pass through Greece and then enter the non E.U. member states of Macedonia and Serbia.
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PUSIC: And then again enter E.U. at the Croatian border. As you have already reported, absolutely all of these people see Germany as their
destination.
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KINKADE: Minister, this of course is the worst migrant crisis since World War II. And as you know Croatia has been accused of not doing enough,
Slovenia claims authorities in your country have dumped thousands of desperate people at random locations in the border leaving them with no way
to find their way into Slovenia. Is that true?
PUSIC: No. That is actually not true and I really invite everybody -- Croatia has actually been the only country on this route that has managed
to organize the reception centers for the refugees, it's easy to talk to these people, you will get their experiences and their stories where they
have access to medical assistance when needed, where they have normal shelter for the duration of their stay in Croatia. And we have managed to
keep them off the streets, highways so the people in Croatia don't feel the fact that over 360,000 people have crossed through Croatia since mid-
September.
So we are actually the only country that's also implementing the so-called Juncker plan, the plan that was presented by the President of the European
Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, that also had its part stopping the migration flow in Greece where it actually is the entry point and where it
actually should be slowed down.
This implies successful negotiations with Turkey because all of these people are coming from Turkey, which has actually been raising this issue
for the past four years.
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PUSIC: When they had a million people, a million and a half and then finally 2 million and over 2 million people. And now they're coming into
Europe and really the solution of the problem is first stopping system coming from Turkey into Greece by assisting Turkey and then in the final
instance using this winter to try to find a way to stop the war in Syria.
KINKADE: OK. Well, we wish you all the best. It is obviously a huge problem. Minister, Vesna Pusic Deputy Prime Minister of Croatia. Thank you
for joining us today.
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Many of the refugees flooding into Europe are from Syria and Reuters reports that Russia has released a new draft proposal to end the civil war.
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KINKADE: It calls for an 18-month constitutional reform process ending in presidential elections. But it doesn't rule out the possibility of Bashar
al Assad up-standing in that election. Moscow is denying the report saying no such proposal exists. Syria's opposition contends Moscow's goal is to
keep Assad in power. Frederick Pleitgen reports.
FREDERICK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The Syrian government hails this as a major victory, pro regime forces apparently
backed by Russia air power managed to break through to the (inaudible) air base east of Aleppo.
It was under siege by ISIS militants for almost two years. Syrian government media aired a recorder of President Bashar al-Assad
congratulating the soldiers involved. I salute the heroes who remained steadfast for years he said in a statement read on Syrian state T.V.
And I salute the heroes who contributed to ending the siege. And I salute every soldier in the Syrian Arab Army for he is a brother and son to us and
their life and safety is always the first of priorities.
The news comes as Syrian forces claim they are inflicting, "huge losses on their enemies," which include Islamists but also more moderate rebel
factions. As Russia and Iran bolsters Assad's forces international leaders continue their efforts to find a diplomatic solution to a civil war that's
left more than 250,000 people dead according to the Syrian observatory for human rights and has turned millions into refugees.
Ahead of the second round of international talks in Vienna the Reuters News Agency reports that Russia has floated a peace proposal. One that
reportedly called for an 18-month transition period, a council to outline and implement political reforms that Bashar al-Assad should not be a member
of and finally early presidential elections.
According to media reports the plan would not exclude Assad from running in those elections, something the opposition and its backers demand as a pre-
condition for any peace talks.
Moscow vehemently denies putting forward such a proposal. The Russians saying first they want clarity on which opposition groups should be part of
the diplomatic process and which ones shouldn't.
I mean, first of all, a necessity to agree on a list of terrorist organizations, Russian's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov said so that no
one has any doubts or hesitation - or an affiliation of this or that armed group.
As Syrian government forces display their perceived momentum on the battlefield the international community is trying to maintain the
diplomatic momentum on the quest to finally end this bloody conflict.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, London.
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KINKADE: Still to come.
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KINKCADE: Thousands of Afghans marched through Kabul calling on their government to do more after civilians including children were beheaded by
ISIS. We'll have more details after the break.
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KINKADE: Welcome back. Russia's Olympic committee which could be banned from next year's Olympics in Rio has vowed to cooperate with efforts to
eradicate doping from sports. It follows a blistering report that accused Russia of widespread drug trading and led to the resignation of the chief
of Russia's Anti-Doping lab.
Senior International correspondent, Matthew Chance visited that lab in Moscow.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Behind gates locked to the public this is the secretive Moscow laboratory at the center of
Russia's doping scandal. It's work is now suspended, the director telling CNN he has resigned to protect the lab's reputation.
But no one here wants to talk about the explosive allegations of drug cheating now engulfing Russian athletics.
Do you know about the cheating that's taking place here? Do you know anything about it? Do you want to talk to us about it at all from CNN? You
don't want to talk to us? All right.
Well, the employees at this lab are clearly being very tight lipped, but the report from the World Anti-Doping Agency goes into great detail
describing the alleged activities inside that building. It's saying that you know this is meant to be a place that cheats among Russian athletes but
in fact it works hand in hand with coaches and Russian officials to cover up positive doping tests with the explicit purpose the report says of
getting Russian athletes to win at major sporting competitions.
Athletes like former 800 meter runner Yulia Stepanova, featured in this documentary for German television last hear. She's admitted paying a bribe
to cover up her own positive test and says that doping is a routine part for Russian athletics.
YULIA STEPANOVA, RUSSIAN ATHLETE: The coaches have it hammered into them and the coaches hammered into the athletes. Therefore, the athletes do not
think when they're taking banned drugs that they're doing something illegal.
CHANCE: But now Russia a paying the price. At the (inaudible) stadium club the next generation of Russian athletes are being put through their paces.
This is a country that sees itself as an Olympic super power and the threat of exclusion from the Rio games next year for cheating has left Russians in
shame and disbelief.
DMITRY EVSULIN, RUSSIAN ATHLETE: (As translated) this is a disgrace for Russian, all sports men should not act like that because they have always
been the best. I feel ashamed for them. How can they possibly compete in the Olympics now?
(UNIDENTIFIED MALE): (As translated) I think all of this is a provocation because there is no proof. They just say there is an ex athlete who was
caught doping saying that everyone was doping. It seems to me this is not true.
CHANCE: Hello, hi, do you know anything about the cheating?
But in a country that spent billions on Olympic venues simple denial may no longer be enough.
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KINKADE: Now the chief of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency claims the organization is cleaning up its athletic programs and has been efficient in
its work, but he denied there is a widespread problem. He said, and I quote, "there are problems, but the objective facts based on the statistics
show that the Russian Anti-Doping Agency is quite effective."
Now let's turn to Afghanistan where a peaceful protest turned chaotic when demonstrators tried to storm the presidential palace in Kabul. The
protesters were angry about a string of ISIS killings targeting the Hazara ethnic minority. And by the thousands they made their voices heard.
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KINKADE: Anger on the streets of the Afghan capital, thousands of protesters marched on the Presidential Palace in Kabul carrying the coffins
of seven civilians believed to have been beheaded by ISIS militants.
Chanting death to terrorism the protest threatened to turn violent. Security forces fired bullets into the air trying to disperse the crowd.
Many protesters saying they blame the Afghan government for failing to protect them against Islamic extremists.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (As translated) we ask the President to come here and give us reasons why these people were killed. Why is there no security in
the country? He hasn't fulfilled those promises he made during the presidential campaign.
KINKADE: The victims, two men, two women, two boys and a girl, all members of Afghanistan's long persecuted Hazara ethnic minority. They were abducted
last month, their bodies found this past weekend in the southern part of the country.
The top United Nations official in Afghanistan said the murders may amount to war crimes. Afghanistan's President also condemned the killings
promising justice against the terrorists while calling for calm.
ASHRAF GHANI, AFGHAN PRESIDENT: (As translated) I ordered our security officials to make every effort to find and arrest the doers of this crime
so that they could be punished. We are committed to take revenge and would not spare any efforts to do this.
KINKADE: While the Taliban remains a threat, the recent emergence of ISIS in Afghanistan has created a growing sense of insecurity in the already
volatile country. U.S. military leaders say ISIS now has between 1,000 and 3,000 active members in Afghanistan and it continues to grow.
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KINKADE: And as the FIFA corruption scandal rumbles on its suspended President, Sepp Blatter, is now in hospital.
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KINKADE: The FIFA Chief is recovering from what an advisor calls a body breakdown. But his lawyer says the 79-year-old should leave the hospital in
the coming says. Blatter is currently serving a 90-day suspension from world football's governing body because of an ethics investigation.
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KINKADE: We now know nine people were killed when a small plane dropped out of the sky and slammed into an apartment building in the U.S. state of
Ohio.
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KINKADE: This dramatic video shows the aftermath. The victims include the pilot, co-pilot and seven employees of a real estate developer that had
chartered the flight. There were no injuries reported on the ground.
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KINKADE: And at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month the world paused today to remember the dead from the Great War, World War II and to
honor war veterans everywhere.
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KINKADE: U.S. President, Barack Obama, was at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia to lay a wreath honoring U.S. veterans. And in London [music
playing] crowds gathered in Trafalgar Square to observe a two-minute silence at 11:00 a.m. local time. That's when in 1918 the armistice ending
World War I went into effect.
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KINCADE: Well still to come, another Republican Presidential debate is in the books.
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KINCADE: And many say this one was very different from the earlier ones. We'll go live to Washington to see who the debates winners and losers were.
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KINKADE: Welcome back. Interest in the U.S. Presidential debates shows no sign of fizzing out. Nelson measured the viewership of the latest
Republican clash and said 13.5 million people watched it on Fox Business Network, breaking a record for that channel. Andrew Spencer has the
highlights.
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ANDREW SPENCER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Fox Business agreed to give the candidates equal time, but that didn't stop some of them from
fighting over it.
RAND PAUL, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Governor, a couple things here, first of all --
DONALD TRUMP, You should let Jeb speak.
PAUL: Governor --
TRUMP: Hold on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Bush.
JEB BUSH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you, Donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate. That's really nice of you. I really
appreciate that. What a generous man you are.
SPENCER: The moderators didn't press Ben Carson on questions about his past.
BEN CARSON, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you for not asking me what I said in the tenth grade. I appreciate that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll just forget that follow up.
SPENCER: But the intentional differentiation from the CNBC debate did not mean candidates went unchallenged.
MODERATOR: You can't serious guarantee that there won't be another financial crisis can you?
BUSH: You could if you were serious about -
MODERATOR: Never - there'll never be another financial crisis?
BUSH: No, I can't say that but I can say if you created higher capital requirements that's the solution to this.
SPENCER: For the most part political attacks didn't get personal in Milwaukee Tuesday night, the clashes focusing on policy.
MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know that Rand is a committed isolationist, I am not. I believe the world is a stronger and
better place when the United States is the strongest military power in the world.
PAUL: Marco, how is it conservative - how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government --
SPENCER: Some candidates pushed for a flat tax and talked about simplifying the tax code.
TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There are more words in the IRS code than there are in the bible and not one of them is as good.
SPENCER: And of course balancing the federal budget.
CARLY FIORINA, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to go to zero base budgeting so we know where every dollar is being spent, we can
challenge any dollar, cut any dollar, move any dollar.
SPENCER: And many of them rejected calls to raise the minimum wage.
I'm Andrew spencer reporting.
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KINKADE: Let's now discuss the winners and losers of the debate. Joining us now from Washington is Nia Malika Henderson, she's a CNN senior political
reporter, thanks for being with us.
Now Jeb Bush today gave himself his own approval saying he did well. Who do you think were the standouts?
NIA MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Jeb I think probably a B and I think in some ways it was a status quo debate. A lot of
people came in at a certain level.
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HENDERSON: And I think they ended up the debate in the same way. Marco Rubio I think did well, Ted Cruz did well, Donald Trump did well, even Rand
Paul had his stand out moment. So I don't think they all, it's almost like Bs all around. I don't think this is going to shake up the race that much.
I think it was pretty much a status quo debate. And they got to talking about policy which I think they all enjoyed and liked especially when you
considered their upset after the other debate.
KINKADE: That's true, they weren't too happy about that one. And of course we have heard so much about Donald Trump and Ben Carson, but what about
other candidates like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz who perhaps are less known on the international stage but who are vying for that moderate conservative
vote.
HENDERSON: That's right. I think they are the dark horses of this race. The rationale being that people like Ben Carson and people like Donald Trump
will likely are see something of a downward trend in terms of their poll numbers. So here we have two senators, young senators, both Cuban
Americans, both have sort of an immigrant story but very much on different ideological lines in terms of what they would do about immigration reform
and all sorts of things.
You saw them in some ways up there on that debate stage last night, you had a whole discussion between the senators in the field. So I think if you
flash forward a couple months from now you are going to see them very much hanging in there and vying for very particular lanes of the Republican
party, one on the establishment end and another on the tea party end. Ted Cruz of course the tea party guy and Marco Rubio more of establishment
choice.
KINKADE: OK. Nia Malika Henderson, thanks for staying across it all for us in Washington.
HENDERSON: Thank you.
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KINKADE: Now, still to come after the break.
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KINKADE: We ask a British lawmaker if the World Athletics Chief is the right man to lead the sport out of the latest doping scandal. Stay with us.
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KINKADE: Welcome back, here is what's happening in the world right now.
European and African leaders are meeting in Malta to discuss ways to tackle the migrant crisis that's affecting both couldn't nets.
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KINKADE: The E.U. could offer Africa nearly $2 billion in aid in exchange for measures to stem the tide including a crackdown on people smuggling
rings.
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KINKADE: Reuters News Agency says Russia has released a draft proposal to end the Syrian civil war.
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KINKADE: It calls for an 18 month process of constitutional reform ending in presidential elections but it doesn't rule out the possibility of Bashar
al-Assad standing in that election. Moscow is denying the report says no such proposal exists.
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KINKADE: The Afghan President is pledging justice after protesters tried to storm his palace in Kabul.
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KINKADE: The demonstrators were angry about recent killings by ISIS in southern Afghanistan. Seven members of the Hazara ethnic minority were
beheaded over the weekend.
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KINKADE: And nations around the world have been remembering their war dead.
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KINKADE: In the U.S. President Obama was at Arlington National Cemetery to lay a wreath in honor of U.S. veterans on this anniversary of the armistice
that ended World War I.
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KINKADE: Let's return now to the fallout from Monday's bombshell reporting into doping in athletics. The Reuters News Agency is reporting that
Russia's President, Vladimir Putin has said his country must conduct its own investigation. Some sports stars have been speaking out against doping
for years, one of them is former British swimmer Sharon Davies. She spoke to CNN's Alex Thomas about her fears that doping could impact her
daughter's chances as an athlete.
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ALEX THOMAS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The current doping crisis is personal to Sharon Davies. Beaten to gold at the Moscow Olympics by a
swimmer who later admitted being part of a systematic drug taking program in the former East Germany. Davies is still animated about it 35 years on.
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SHARON DAVIES, FORMER ATHLETE: I get very, very upset. You know everyone is fighting for people that get bans to not lose their livelihood,
what the about the livelihoods of people that they steal from? It's fraud really.
THOMAS: Do you think clean athletes have been failed by the IAAF and the IOC?
DAVIES: Yes. And I think some athletes that are being pressurized into taking drugs whether that's from state, whether that's from coaches are
also being failed.
THOMAS: It's personal because her daughter Grace an aspiring track and field athlete, could face the same problem she did.
At the Moscow Olympics you were 17, your daughter Grace is the same age now and hoping to have a sort of sporting career like you had. Do you fear for
her?
DAVIES: I do. I think it's really sad.
GRACE DAVIES, SHARON DAVIES DAUGHTER: It's just a problem that's only going to get worse really if we don't stamp down on it now. So it's quite - it is
quite hard you know training all the time knowing that one day you might come up against someone and might be beaten out of a medal like my mom has
so many times.
THOMAS: It's also personal because her friend is the man under pressure to solve the crisis, IAAF President and former Olympic champion, Sebastian
Coe.
DAVIES: I've known Seb a really long time. You know our competing career was at the same time, Seb was coached by his dad, I was coached by my dad.
There were so many parallels. What I know that Seb loves his sport, I know he wants it to be clean and I know he will do everything in his power.
Whether he has the power is another question all together.
THOMAS: Like Coe Sharon Davies now has a gold but only because one Christmas her dad secretly plated her silver Medal. By her own admission an
emotional gift to receive, a reminder of the past at a time when history appears to be repeating itself.
Alex Thomas, CNN.
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KINKADE: And as you heard in Alex Thomas' report Sebastian Coe was mentioned. The IAAF President is under pressure following Monday's shocking
revelations. And he has been called to appear before the British Parliament's Culture, Media and Sports Committee.
Now I spoke to Damian Collins who is on that committee and began by asking him whether it was possible Coe was not aware of what was going on at the
IAAF.
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DAMIAN COLLINS, BRITISH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: Well this is a difficult situation for Seb Coe because his defense has got to be you know even
though he was Vice President of the IAAF and he worked alongside the former President for eight years he didn't know what was going on. Which might
lead some people to suggest you know is he the right person to lead the organization now?
But I think the one thing I'd say about Seb Coe is he has been an outspoken critic of doping in athletics and sport for a very long time. But he has I
think a very narrow window of opportunity now to demonstrate that he is the right man to lead the IAAF and world athletics out of this growing crisis.
KINKADE: Now you will be on a committee questioning Coe just before Christmas. We know he has a sponsorship deal with Nike. You want him to end
that. Just explain why.
COLLINS: Well I think he's got to cancel that agreement. I don't think it's right that the President of the World Athletics governing body should
effectively be sponsored by Nike, one of the major sports brands.
And also it will create a conflict of interest where Nike sponsored athletes are themselves part of investigations into allegations of doping,
the way that's handled, people will ask questions about the link between Coe and those cases. So that is why he should end that relationship right
now and that's certainly something I will be asking him about when he becomes before our committee before Christmas.
KINKADE: Now, many have drawn comparisons between this corruption scandal and the FIFA scandal. What's your opinion?
COLLINS: I think there are --
KINKADE: What are the similarities?
COLLINS: Yes, I think the similarities are when you have organizations run by a small elite group of people, where there's virtually no oversight of
what they do and how they act, that's how - that's how crises occur.
But I think what Seb Coe and the IAAF have to prepare themselves for is a likely scenario this will go wider and deeper and further around the world
that they suspect. This is not just going to be a few rogue people, it's going to be a big problem, a cultural problem that has to change. Just as
it has been in FIFA as well.
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KINKADE: Some say government should be more involved with oversight. But in this case the Kremlin is accused of state sponsored doping. So if not
governments who should provide that oversight?
COLLINS: Well there are two things, I think governments should use their powers to pursue criminal matters and corruption is a criminal matter. So
as the FBI have done with FIFA -- with FIFA I think law enforcement agencies should go after bribery and corruption, money laundering cases in
sport. But the governance of sport has got to be separate from politics.
But most of these organizations what they need is they need an independent reform commission to sort them out, to clean them out but then what they
need is proper independent oversight of their day to day responsibilities.
KINKADE: Now, the IOC has come out and said it has faith that Russia can clean up and comply in order to compete in next year's Olympics. Given this
is such a widespread systemic problem do you think that's possible?
COLLINS: I think it's hard to see how that could be achieved. I mean firstly I think there should be a provisional suspension of the Russian
Federation by the IAAF when its executives meet on Friday. But I think Russia would have to demonstrate that it had got rid of all of the
officials that were involved, all of the athletes that have been involved. And that it had got - it also crucially as the world anti-doping agency
report said, there was proper separation between the Russian government and Russian sport.
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COLLINS: And I can't see how they're going to achieve that. I mean if (inaudible) is still the sports minister, someone who was accused in the
report of interfering in these matters I can't see how we can have any confidence that Russia would be - would be clean and able to compete.
KINKADE: Well still to come, she's escaped from the dark underworld in Mexico where she endured four years of absolute hell.
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KINKADE: CNN's Freedom project highlights a brutal story of human trafficking just ahead.
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KINKADE: Welcome back. Now, some stories are so horrific that they are simply beyond human comprehension. Our next report is one of them. It's
part of CNN's freedom project our ongoing initiative to highlight the evils of human trafficking. One victim was just 12 years old when she was forced
into prostitution. She shared her story with CNN's Rafael Romo in the hope of sparing other girls the same fate.
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RAFAEL ROMO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Growing up in Mexico life for Karla Jacinto wasn't a fairytale. But at 12 years old she thought she had
met her prince charming.
KARLA JACINTO: (As translated) He bought me clothes and shoes. He told me you are going to be my princess.
ROMO: Karla's new boyfriend was older and from a faraway village called Tenancingo. But after three months the relationship changed and the scam
was revealed. Karla's prince was actually a pimp working as part of an organized crime ring based in Tenancingo. He told her she would be working
the streets as a prostitute.
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JACINTO: (As translated) he started punching me, kicking me, pulling my hair. He would spit on my face. That day he even burned me with an iron.
ROMO: Susan Coppage is the U.S. State Department's Ambassador at Large to combat human trafficking. Before that she worked at the U.S. attorney's
office in Atlanta, Georgia.
SUSAN COPPAGE, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: We've prosecuted numerous cases here in Atlanta involving traffickers from Mexico and particularly Tenancingo.
ROMO: Coppage says often times entire families in Tenancingo and the rest of Tlaxcala state are in on the scam. CNN over several weeks made numerous
attempts to speak with Tenancingo town officials, we even went to the mayor's office twice but were denied interviews each time. Coppage says
there's good reason for the officials being evasive.
COPPAGE: Well we've been told by the traffickers themselves and by the young girls that this town raises pimps. That's what they've done for
generations. That's what the town does. That's their industry. And yet in smaller rural communities around there the young girls don't have any idea
that this is what that town's reputation is.
ROMO: Karla says she was forced to prostitute for four years with never a day off. She says her pimp trafficked her across Mexico, demanding she see
at least 30 customers a day and keep a daily log of clients. By age 16 Karla calculates she was raped more than 43,200 times.
JACINTO: (As translated) there were men that would go just to laugh at me. They laughed when I cried.
ROSI OROZCO: Imagine in the mind of a 12 years old who is raped if she cried he will hit her worse, if she didn't cry he will hit her again.
ROMO: (Inaudible) a victim's adequate, the former Mexican senator says it's the powerful who allow trafficking to condition.
OROZCO: She had clients that were judges, priests, pastors, police. So she knew that she could not run away to go to the authorities.
ROMO: Karla says one time 30 uniformed police officers raided the brothel she was in, but instead of making arrests or rescues, they made a deal with
the brothel owner.
JACINTO: (As translated) the uniformed police officers entered a room we were in, we had to do everything they asked of us. The whole thing lasted
three or four hours.
ROMO: What was going through your mind at that point thinking that those who are supposed to protect you were abusing you?
JACINTO: (As translated) they were sickening to me because they could see we were minors. It was obvious, right? We looked our age. We weren't even
fully developed. They could see our sad faces.
ROMO: There are an estimated 2 million children exploited every year in the global commercial sex trade. Violence, corruption and a mix of fear and
shame are major factors keeping children from trying to escape. And you lived this hell for four years?
JACINTO: (As translated) you see me now with a smile on my face but when I remember all of that it still hurts a lot. I'm going to fight against this
until the end. Every day when I wake up I wonder if I'm going to be alive at the end of the day because of what we do and what I have experienced
makes me a target. Death is lurking.
ROMO: The pain in Karla's face is clear. But perhaps the true tragedy of her story is that it's shared by so many other children like her, still
being controlled by human traffickers as we speak.
Rafael Romo, CNN, Mexico City.
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KINKADE: An incredibly dark and harrowing story there. And if you want to learn more you can go to cnn.com/freedom. There you can join CNN's online
pledge to help end modern day slavery. And you can learn more about Rafael reporting there.
Well still to come. Facebook wants to access your private photos on your phone.
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KINKADE: After a break you will we will look at the controversial feature on the popular social network. Stay with us.
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KINKADE: Welcome back. The biggest shopping day in the world has just become even bigger. Singles day in China has set a sales record. If you are
unfamiliar with the event it began as a counter initiative to Valentine's Day.
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KINKADE: It takes place every year on November 11th. The digits that combine the date, the four ones represent four single people. The sales are
regularly higher than Black Friday and Cyber Monday combined. So how much has been spent? A whopping $14.3 billion on the shopping platform Alibaba
alone.
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KINKADE: Quite incredible really. Now, staying in the tech world, how would you feel about Facebook scanning through your phones before you've even had
a chance to put them online? The social network's new feature has called photo magic, and it doesn't just do that, it also uses facial recognition
as it scans your photos on your phone.
For more on all of this let's go to CNNs business correspondent Samuel Burke, he joins us now from New York.
Samuel, this seems a little creepy, actually. Just explain how it all works.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Good to see you Linda. Well we are all used to uploading our pictures to Facebook and then Facebook runs
facial recognition on them.
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BURKE: What many people called face print. It says is this Linda in a photo with Samuel or Isha Sesay, or Richard Quest in a photo with Samuel. But now
Facebook is taking this to the next level.
Before you ever even upload the pictures Facebook is going to start crawling through your camera roll, the photos that are still in your phone
before you've uploaded them and run facial recognition on them and say, do you want to share these photos with Isha, with Linda, with Richard Quest?
Now, it will only work if you already have Facebook messenger installed. And keep in mind 700 million of us have Facebook messenger installed and it
will only work if you've allowed Facebook messenger access to your photos. But, again, most of us have already allowed that because we want to be able
to share pictures on Facebook messenger.
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BURKE: I just feel like it might be an accident waiting to happen. The wrong pictures gets shared with the wrong person and I don't even have
anything particularly bad in my phone, Linda.
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KINKADE: That's true, a lot of dangers. So do you get the chance to opt in on this or is it like so many other Facebook apps where it just does it
automatically?
BURKE: You are 100% right. Like so many other Facebook features it just does it for you automatically. It's not even going to ask you. It will just
start doing t all of a sudden you will see a pop up saying do you want to share this picture with Linda. Though you do have the option to opt out
both as the photographer or as at person if you just don't want any of your pictures to get tagged this way you can opt out.
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KINKADE: And interesting they're trialing this in Australia. So what's been the reaction there?
BURKE: Yes, it's starting out -- they're rolling it out in Australia, nowhere else yet, they say it could come to places like the United States
in just a few weeks. And you're seeing people on both sides. A lot of Australians saying this just sounds creepy the way that you said. But you
also see people saying hey I can see the value in this which is why Facebook believes that this is going to be a successful tool.
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BURKE: Because people say sometimes I take pictures, I forget to send them to the people that I've taken the pictures of and then I have to delete
them because I need more space in my phone. So this will be a way of reminding me OK, send those pictures to Linda or whoever it is. So you see
people on both sides of the fence. Like I said, an accident probably waiting to happen.
KINKADE: No doubt. There must be a lot of concerns from privacy groups who worry about how much access Facebook already has to our life story, how
much we already put out there, now they can actually access information on our phone that we don't actually know, I guess, that we're giving them
permission to access.
BURKE: That's what's key here. Is that you're actually seeing Facebook work outside the boundaries of its app. It's not just a photo that you've
uploaded to the app, it's now going outside of the app and crawling through photos and trying to see different people's faces. And it all can make life
easier but there's always concerns about people's privacy, about what this means that a computer can recognize your face.
So we've heard from some privacy experts who say they already had a problem with this technology when it was just on the Facebook platform and to see
it go -- beyond those walls and into your phone it does make you feel like somebody is always watching over you not just when you're inside the app,
Linda.
KINKADE: Absolutely. Samuel Burke, as always thanks very much for joining us, we appreciate it.
Well that has been The World Right Now, thanks so much for joining us. I'm Linda Kinkade, Quest Means Business is up next.
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