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French Confirm Death of Abaaoud; Woman Identified Who Blew Herself Up in Paris; Search Focuses on Salah Abdeslam, Netherlands; France Steps Up War Against ISIS; Clinton Gives Details of Her ISIS Strategy; Gen. Wesley Clark Talks Fight Against ISIS; Women Have Close Ties to ISIS; Paris Attack Investigation Continues; Law Pausing Acceptance of Syrian Refugees Passes U.S. House; Luis Gutierrez: America Must Not Lose Values; Grand Mosque Chairman Says Islam Dragged More into Fundamental Direction; Paris Markets Reopening Ahead of Christmas. Aired 2-3a ET

Aired November 20, 2015 - 02:00   ET

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[02:00:26] CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN ANCHOR: It is 8:00 in the morning here in Paris where, despite the death of terrorist ringleader, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, French officials say the risk is not over.

Plus, France wraps up military action against ISIS. And lawmakers are set to vote on extending the state of emergency.

Also ahead this hour, the backlash against Syrian refugees. The U.S. House of Representatives votes for stricter regulations.

Good morning, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour, live from the Place de la Republique in a very rainy Paris this morning, as the hunt is still on for the man called the eighth suspect. He's the French national we have been talking about, Salah Abdeslam, possibly the only one who survived Friday's attacks. And a source tells CNN the search has now expanded to the Netherlands. But Dutch media says the justice ministry there denies that.

French police confirmed the alleged ringleader of last Friday's attacks, Abaaoud, is dead, killed in the raid in Saint-Denis. The prosecutors office says fingerprints and prints from the soles of his feet helped identify his bullet-riddled body.

CNN's Erin Burnett spoke with Nathalie Goulet, Abaaoud's father's attorney, who says the father believes his son is a psychopath and is now relieved he its dead.

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NATHALIE GOULET, FRENCH SENATOR: Yes, he was relieved because he knew already in the last month that his son was linked to all of the terrorist acts which happen in Europe. He was afraid to -- to learn that his son, Abdelhamid, had maybe again committed something horrible.

(END VIDEO CLIP) AMANPOUR: And sources tell CNN the woman who blew herself up during Wednesday's raid has been identified as Hasna Aitboulahcan. You can hear police confront her just before she blew herself up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

POLICE: Where is your boyfriend?

HASNA AITBOULAHCAN, TERRORIST: He's not my boyfriend!

(SHOUTING)

(EXPLOSION)

(GUNFIRE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

AMANPOUR: Now, neighbors say police have taken the woman's mother and brother in for questioning. And they're searching the mother's home in a northern Parisian suburb.

Take a look at this, surveillance video from a Paris cafe obtained by the dailymail.com. It shows terrorists opening fire on Friday night.

Just hours from now, the French Senate is expected to vote to extend the country's state of emergency for three months. That will confirm the national assembly, lower house of parliament, which approved the measure Thursday. It comes as a new ISIS video threatens new attacks here in France, in Italy, and in the United States.

So let's bring in our Fred Pleitgen, live with me in Paris.

All of this, all the searches. This obviously isn't over. Where is the focal point of the search right now?

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The focal point of the search is to find the last remaining attacker somewhere, Salah Abdeslam. The search still ongoing.

One of the things we've heard is that they're searching in the Netherlands. The Netherlands are saying the search wasn't expanded here. This was a global search warrant to begin with. However, they're searching there as well. One of the reasons was that Salah spent time in the Netherlands in the past. The interesting thing also, when he escaped here from the scene, he was apprehended and questioned. That was when he was on a road that leads to Belgium. We know, once you get out of the Paris area, you can go in any direction. You can go to the Netherlands, Germany or Belgium. It would be normal for them to be looking in all these places.

AMANPOUR: They still don't know whether he crossed the frontier.

To point out to viewers who may not recall, he was questioned. He was in a car with a couple of people who had rescued him and taken him out, but he was let go before they had this warrant for him, right? PLEITGEN: He was let go before they had the warrant. But after the

attacks, there were extra checks on the road. They had him. And let him go.

AMANPOUR: It's one of those awful situations. They're still trying to find him. I guess their nightmare would be if he goes to, you know, Turkey and Syria.

[02:05:13] PLEITGEN: It would be if he goes to Turkey and Syria, or if he tries to plan another attack. Everywhere police have confronted any of the terrorists, they have always been highly armed and had some form of explosives on them. Certainly, another concern. He might be armed as well.

AMANPOUR: Let's talk more about Hasna Aitboulahcen, the woman everybody was saying was Abaaoud's cousin. Maybe a cousin. Seen in the video, shouting, "He's not my boyfriend." There may have been some thought they may have been linked romantically. But it's a dramatic thing to say before you blow yourself up?

PLEITGEN: It is, absolutely. It shows the aggressive situation that happened there. Apparently, also from what we have gleaned, she was the first one who opened fire on authorities as well. This was before she blew herself up. Clearly trying to protect him. She is someone who was obviously very much radicalized as well.

AMANPOUR: And yet, she apparently, according to her family, she was, quite a party girl. It's very recent and very rapid her radicalization.

PLEITGEN: Quite a party girl. Some other things we have been gathering, this is from media reports and our own reporting, is that as the late or as early as five years ago, she was a business owner on the border between Germany and France. And apparently became radicalized at some point in that time in between.

All of this is the reason the French have expanded their military use here at home, but also of course, abroad as well. What they have done is sent their aircraft carrier now to the coast of Syria. We believe they're going to start bombing extensively there as well.

Let's have a look at that.

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PLEITGEN (voice-over): French air force personnel are busy these days mounting bombs to the wings of fighter jets getting them ready to take off into the night.

After the terror attacks of Friday the 13th, the country has drastically stepped up its air campaign against ISIS. At a military parade on Thursday, Francois Hollande vowed they will not stop until the extremists are defeated.

"France is leading the war with its armed forces," he says. "Its soldiers, whose courage I congratulate, they carry out the war with our allies."

In another sign that Paris is serious about combating ISIS, the French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" departed for the Mediterranean Sea on Wednesday, weeks earlier than scheduled, and will be stationed off Syria's coast, almost tripling France's air assets in the region.

(on camera): A senior analyst believes the French public will support a stepped-up military campaign only if it proves to be successful in the short term.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The French will want, as anybody else in those circumstances, they will want to see results. If they don't see results, then they will start to question the emphasis of the French effort.

PLEITGEN: France has called for more international cooperation in the fight against ISIS. The problem, countries battling the group can't agree on a common strategy.

Russia's Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to cooperate with the French air force.

VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translation): We need to establish a direct contact with the French and work with them as allies he said. It is necessary to work out a joint action plan with them both at sea and in the air.

PLEITGEN: But France and its main ally, the U.S., are at odds with Russia over the future of Syrian President Bashar al Assad, an issue that prevented effective coordination until now.

But fueled by anger over ISIS's attacks in Paris, France's leaders say, in spite of the problems, they're determined to degrade and ultimately defeat the terror group.

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PLEITGEN: And the "Charles de Gaulle" aircraft carrier will be in place in the next couple days. Analysts believe the French will extremely step up their bombing campaign once the carrier is in place -- Christiane?

AMANPOUR: Fred, to amplify this, the French are good at dropping highly militarized people into areas and defeating terrorists. Remember, Mali in North Africa, they really did.

PLEITGEN: Yeah.

AMANPOUR: So if they decided to do something there, they are really good at going in, sort of, very light, very quick, very effective. But what about the intelligence -- that's the big question -- that actually led to Abaaoud. They got it from somewhere else, right?

PLEITGEN: That's one of the things surprises a lot of people. The French obviously had no clue that Abaaoud was here in France. They thought he was in Iraq and Syria, as did America intelligence as well. The tip-off came from the Moroccan intelligence service, who were tracking Abdelhamid Abaaoud, and gave the French a tip. Apparently, it was on November 16th. They told them he was here in France and probably even led them to that suburb of Saint-Denis which led to the raid.

[02:10:16] AMANPOUR: Three days after the attacks.

Fred, thank you so much.

Just goes to show the necessity of intelligence sharing.

And nearly a week after the deadly attacks here, U.S. Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, is providing now more details about her ISIS strategy. Among other things, she's calling for more airplanes, allied strikes to combat the terror group in Syria, and she's also urging Congress to approve an Authorization for the Use of Military Force against ISIS, saying to do so would signal the United States is committed to the fight.

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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: We should be honest about the fact that to be successful air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces actually taking back more territory from ISIS.

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AMANPOUR: So getting out way ahead of her former administration, the Obama administration.

And earlier, I asked the NATO commander, General Wesley Clark, to weigh in, and what it would take to defeat an enemy like ISIS?

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AMANPOUR: General Clark, welcome to the program.

Can I ask you, first, in the wake of the terrible attacks and what we are hearing from so many leaders, including the French president, that this is a war that has to be faced down, your comments on what Hillary Clinton said. She talked ground troops.

GEN. WESLEY CLARK, FORMER NATO COMMANDER, U.S. ARMY: I think Hillary has it about right. I think you have the got to protect the Syrian opposition from the air attacks by the Assad regime, use U.S. Special Forces in there. But you have to think beyond the military. Here you have to ask yourself, what is the goal we are working for? What is Syria going to look like after all this is over? We don't want to make the mistake we made in Iraq, where we destroyed the state structures of the Iraq. There was no one to give driver's licenses, teach school, no one to run the museums, no one to do anything that was previously done by the state. We invalidated and got rid of them all because they were Baathists. We can't do that in Syria. We learned in Iraq that there is a state of chaos that follows that's simply unacceptable. So it's up to the West really to sketch the outline of how this will come together in the aftermath of the use of military force. Then to bring our Arab allies in together.

You cannot do the bulk of the ground fighting with U.S. forces. It's true. We are very good at defeating any force that fights us. But we are not very good at fighting in urban areas where there is a lot of civilians and people running in and out of buildings and shooting. We are under tight constraints. We go in, we can't identify friend from foe. We don't speak the language. That's a handicap on our forces. And it risks a lot of restrictive rules of engagement so we don't hurt innocent people.

We need our Arab allies to come forward. ISIS is a threat to them. ISIS has made a claim on Mecca, Medina. ISIS is not going to leave Turkey untouched. The Turks, the Kurds, the Saudis and others in the region have got to bear the brunt of the ground fighting. And then, the United States and Western European allies can provide air support, intelligence and logistics. But the ground fighting has to be done by Arab allies.

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AMANPOUR: So narrowing down an effective strategy.

And just ahead, we'll return to the latest developments here in Paris and focus on this woman who we are talking about. She is believed to be Europe's first female suicide bomber, ISIS's first female suicide bomber.

Plus, we'll look into why some women join that terrorist group.

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[01:16:22] KATE RILEY, CNN WORLD SPORT ANCHOR: I'm Kate Riley, with your CNN "World Sport" headlines.

The English Premier League will mark the Paris tragedy by playing the French national anthem before every match this weekend. League chief executive, Richard Scudamore (ph), said it was of solidarity and remembrance after the Paris attacks in which 129 people died. There are 72 natives of France currently playing in the Premier League.

Elsewhere Novak Djokovic beat him in the finals in London. Meanwhile, Roger Federer survived a scare against when his group to win his group at the same competition in the English capital. The Swiss look in control, winning the first set and leaving 4-1 in the second. But ultimately, needed every ounce of concentration to grind it out a 7-5, 4-6, 4-6 victory.

And interim coach, J.D. Biggerstaff, debuted as the Houston Rockets' boss Wednesday against Portland. The Rockets nearly dropped their fifth straight. But an acrobatic free by Corey Brewer with one second left forced overtime. In the first game since head coach, Kevin McHale (ph), was fired, the Rockets took charge in overtime, led by James Harden, who scored all of Houston nine points. Houston wins, 108-103.

And I'm Kate Riley. Those are your CNN "World Sport" headlines."

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AMANPOUR: Memorials all over Paris this rainy morning. Now although French and British and intelligence forces tell us that they have thwarted major attacks by ISIS over the last month, this one, this big one here, has provoked a lot of criticism and a lot of introspection about how intelligence must do better.

Earlier, I spoke with Richard Barrett, the former counterterrorism director for Britain's MI-6.

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AMANPOUR: What about all these people who seem to be able to travel on passports, despite the fact this is what you and others in the intelligence community were warning about? Furthermore, what is the situation where you are right now? There are many suspected extremists, bombers in Turkey. What are the authorities doing about them?

RICHARD BARRETT, FORMER COUNTERTERROR DIRECTOR, MI6: Here, I think there is a great deal of activity to try and prevent more people getting into Syria and deal with them if they come out as well. The Turks now have about 26,000, 26,500 names on the list of people that they should take an interest in if they try to ender the country. That is a big number. But it's not the whole number. There's many, many more people that other states are concerned about whose names haven't been shared with the Turks. I think the Turks would be happy to have more names and spend more time looking for people rather than taking the risk they're facing themselves. You saw the bombings in Ankara not long ago. The Islamic State taking action here.

[02:19:49] AMANPOUR: Richard, there are those who criticize Turkey's willingness or unwillingness to put the people under surveillance, watch them carefully. Fellow journalists say they put it to various officials, you have got all the people, they're suspected, you know they're radicalized, why don't you do something? Arrest them. They say they can't do that until they have blown each other up. In other words, you get the absurdity of he situation. Isn't that the heart of the intelligence, security, dilemma and, some say, failure, given what happened here in Paris? People who are on the radar, they know radicalized, they know may have very bad intentions, yet they haven't corralled them rounded them up?

BARRETT: Yes, indeed. You put your finger on it. That is precisely the problem. Many people arrested or investigated for potential terrorist crimes have been found to be on the police radar. They have a criminal record, many times, sort of minor criminality. But you can't arrest somebody, you can't bring them to court or convict them unless you have a strong case. And

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AMANPOUR: If we are in a new war, intelligence has to be up to the, be up to the task. We keep hearing that security can't do it. It takes 10 people to follow one suspected radical, whatever the ratio is. It has to be intelligence. The things we're reading, one guy got back in France using a passport, despite the fact his passport had been taken away from him and he was able to come back into this country. Doesn't intelligence have to speed up, get -- get better at what they're doing?

BARRETT: For sure. But we can't assume there is not going to be any terrorism. There will be terrorist attacks. If you look at what has been happening in Europe, we have had seven plots foiled in France, seven plots foiled in the United Kingdom, and other plots foiled in other countries. There is a lot more plots being discovered and foiled than actually taking place. So we should take heart from that. But some are bound to happen.

The case of Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the guy killed in the Saint-Denis raid, that is quite odd because he convicted in the Belgian court having been accused for planning attacks in Belgium. So his name was very much known and out there. But for most people -- there are millions of people crossing borders the whole time, many, unfortunately, with fake passports and so on. A lot of that its normal criminality. Terrorism is a tiny, tiny tip of that iceberg. It is hard to deal with unless you have very precise intelligence.

AMANPOUR: Richard Barrett, that's obviously the challenge of the future.

Thank you so much for joining us.

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AMANPOUR: Sir Richard Barrett, former MI-6.

Back to the woman who blew herself up during the pre-dawn raid in Saint-Denis, she is the first female suicide bomber in Europe, the first known ISIS suicide bomber, female, but she is, by no means, the only female with close ties to ISIS.

Earlier, I spoke to Nikita Malik, the counter-extremist think-tank, Quilliam. Mallet has co-authored a report called "Caliphates, Women, and the Appeal of the Islamic State."

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NIKITA MALIK, RESEARCHER, QUILLIAM: What is interesting in the in stance of the first female suicide bomber employed by Islamic State is the circumstances happened in which it was done more as a defense mechanism than an act of violence, because as Islamic State has said in its propaganda many times, women are to remain in the home. And really, their participation in jihad is more a nurturing role as a mother and as a wife. This was an exception yesterday with the female suicide bomber.

AMANPOUR: Nikita, let me play you, a little interview with the French foreign minister more than a year ago, about this very issue. Because everybody in the West has been worried to see their girls leaving schools and going off to ISIS. This was his warning.

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LAURENT FABIUS, FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER (through translation): We have to be very, very strict and to explain to these young people, young girls, 13, 14, if their going there, maybe some of them think it will be a new life, instead they are prostitutes, sexual slaves.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

AMANPOUR: And that is what we've heard from the few who have escaped. Do they not get it? Or do they realize when it is too late? Can they -- how can they get out of that when they find themselves in that?

[02:25:00] MALIK: I think it is a hard question to answer how to get out of it. We haven't had that many instances of women who managed to leave. But I think the idea that they are sexual slaves is a little limited because they, especially women who are going from the West, know very well what they're getting themselves into. They know that they're going to be wives, they're going to be mothers. And they feel justified, theologically as well, in making this journey, making migration to Islamic State. So, the idea of slavery, I think, gives them -- reduces their sense of agency. In fact, they feel very empowered in joining Islamic State. I know it sound like a contradiction. Because once they get there, their lives are very limited. But somehow, they seem -- they seem to think this is divinely mandated.

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AMANPOUR: The really troubling phenomenon is that women ISIS members are grooming these Europeans, thse Muslim women or others from countries to come over, so serious intensive grooming online.

Now, from here to the United States, where lawmakers are trying to toughen security requirements for Syrian refugees coming into the country. The latest from Capitol Hill ahead.

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AMANPOUR: Welcome back. So many vigils, so many flowers, candles. So many children trying to understand what happened. Remember, this was an attack on the young of Paris, especially in the concert hall, restaurants. It was a terrible assault on the young of this country.

And the investigation into those terror attacks is still in full swing this morning, here in Paris, and across Europe.

So we are going to go right now to senior international correspondent, Ivan Watson, in Brussels with the latest.

Ivan what are the authorities doing there now? What's the latest from Belgium?

[02:30:08] IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, at this stage, we're preparing for a meeting, an extraordinary session of interior ministries and justice ministers from across the European Union, coming together in response to the terrible attacks in Paris to discuss the framework of possible new measures to prevent a repeat of the types of attacks. They're going to be discussing trying to strengthen the external borders. A number of suspects believed to have left Europe, authorities discovered they were back in Europe after they started killing people in Paris. They're discussing a passenger name record initiative to better track people moving around the European Union. This is the Schengen zone, so once they get in Europe, they're not typically checked for passports across internal borders, something that clearly militant extremists have exploited. Some of the issues on the table.

Meanwhile, Belgian authorities continue their search for the missing Paris suspect, Salah Abdeslam whose car was found here in Brussels in the wake of the Paris attacks. He is a fugitive at large and considered dangerous -- Christiane?

AMANPOUR: Are you hearing any more about certain reports from sources that say the search for Abdeslam has expanded into the Netherlands?

WATSON: CNN heard that that is a concern now. And that might make sense. Again, those internal borders that you don't need passports to use, to cross, and the Netherlands right next door to Belgium. In the wake of attacks, we heard about arrests that prove to be inconclusive across the border from Belgium, in Germany as well. The search does go on. A series of raid went on here in Brussels Thursday. Security forces followed up with search warrants and detained.

In the meantime, it's interesting to hear reaction, from people in the Molenbeck district of Brussels, the neighborhood that the ringleader of the Paris attacks, perhaps Belgium's most notorious terrorist, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, that he grew up and worked with neighbors from that area, recruited them to work with him. A mix of reactions. Some people actually saying they were sad that Abdelhamid Abaaoud had been killed. Others saying it was good a terrorist had been taken off the map. Take a listen

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translation): Leave Islam alone. Leave the profit alone. Each with his own religion. Christians have their own religion. Muslims have their own religion. So stop talking of Mohammad. Stop killing people in the Middle East and there won't be any terrorists anymore. If you keep going, the terrorists won't stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't have any feeling about his death. I think it was the kind of person who looks for these things. Terrible things. And that's it. But I am not going to cry about his death, that's for sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I grew up in Islam. Never saw a part of the Koran that said you can blow yourself up in front of innocent people and kill them like that. We were all emotional and shocked. I hope this won't happen again.

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WATSON: Worth noting, Christiane, a country of 11 million people, Belgium, yet an estimated 500 or more Belgians are suspected of having struggled themselves to Syria to join the ranks of hard-core Islamist groups like ISIS -- Christiane?

AMANPOUR: Troubling, indeed. Huge challenge.

Thank you there, Ivan Watson, in Brussels.

We are going now to the United States to Washington, D.C. You're looking at live pictures of the U.S. capitol right now. Now, lawmakers have successfully put a halt, put a pause to any more Syrian refugees entering the United States. The House of Representatives says none can enter without certification by Homeland Security. That bill heads to the Senate.

Senior Washington correspondent, Joe Johns, reports.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With millions of refugees trying to flee the civil war in Syria --

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JOHNS: -- and even France, pledging to take in 30,000 of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeas are 299. Nays are 137. The bill is passed.

JOHNS: -- the U.S. House of representatives passed a bill that effectively blocked refugees from Syria and Iraq from coming to the United States. It sailed through with support by both parties, led by the new House Speaker Paul Ryan in his first weeks on the job.

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: The first duty of the government is to keep the American people safe.

[02:35:13] JOHNS: The bill requires top administrative officials to certify that incoming refugees are not a safety threat, which the head of the FBI and DHS say is overly cumbersome. The White House threatened to veto in the event it gets past Democrat who opposed it in the Senate.

REP. HARRY REID, (D-NV), HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER: Don't worry, it won't get passed.

JOHNS: A new poll shows broad support for blocking certain refugees to keep ISIS fighters out.

The top Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee complained the White House doesn't get it. BOB CORKER, (R), TENNESSEE: They have a tendency because of what they

do on a daily basis to knock down concerns average Americans have.

JOHNS: The president's point man on Homeland Security sounded exasperated that his message is not getting through that the refugee problem is a slow, careful process.

JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: All I can do is keep repeating what I have said all week. I gave a speech yesterday publicly where I reiterated the thoroughness of our vetting process.

JOHNS: Many Democrats opposed changes to the refugee program that would only affect 10,000 people. They're counting with a proposal to address a bigger vulnerability, the so-called visa waver program, that allows 20 million people a year to enter the U.S. almost unquestioned, as long as they have passports from any one of 38 countries. No vetting, no waiting period.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, (D), NEW YORK: If a terrorist is going to try to come into the country, they're more likely to use loopholes in visa waver program to do it.

JOHNS: Also during the day, Republican Senator and presidential candidate, Rand Paul, tried unsuccessfully to slip a provision into a transportation bill that would have blocked government benefits for refugees from 34 countries and territories, an indication that this issue is not going away.

Joe Johns, CNN, the capitol.

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AMANPOUR: Just before that bill was passed, I spoke to Democratic Congressman, Luis Gutierrez. He says intelligence must work 300 percent to make sure all the security issues are managed, but, he said, in the wake of the Paris attacks and the fear everywhere, America must not lose its fundamental values.

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AMANPOUR: Congressman Gutierrez, welcome to program.

REP. LUIS GUTIERREZ, (D), ILLINOIS: Pleasure to be with you, Christiane.

AMANPOUR: Congressman, you have just come from a vote in the House. Also going to be a vote by Congressman Ryan, the speaker, to ask for a pause in President Obama's resettlement refugee program. What do you expect? How will the vote go? What are implications of it?

GUTIERREZ: I don't expect it to go well. I expect those who want to use the carnage and human tragedy, the terrorism, loss of life in Paris France, to use this as a measure against immigrants, against refugees, and to destroy a successful refugee resettlement program that worked for decades in the United States. I think they want to use, this crisis and this act of terrorism to stop immigration, all kinds of immigration, legal and other immigration, to the United States of America. I think they're going to be successful, unfortunately. That's my sense from talking to members.

AMANPOUR: Do you think their aim will work to just stop immigration and stop the current debate in the United States.

GUTIERREZ: No, because it goes against who we are. Here in America, during the last few days, newscasts have been in solidarity with the people of France, particularly those in Paris. Now I hope we will continue to be in solidarity with them. They sent us the Statue of Liberty. Now we must have the courage to stand by that wonderful gift and to continue to be a beacon of hope for everyone.

I remember reading in the history books that when the Irish came in the 1800s, they said they need not come here. They're dangerous. They're not white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. They're Catholics and their only allegiance is to the pope. They were wrong, as they're wrong about Muslims fleeing Assad and ISIS. In America, in America's hearts, there is a place for children, women fleeing murder and rape and the savagery of the situation in Syria today. There must be a place in America. I'm sure we will return to it.

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[02:39:51] AMANPOUR: And earlier, I also spoke to France's foremost Muslim leader here about what it will take to defeat ISIS. He said, military, to get rid of the territory they hold will be absolutely necessary. That's next.

But first, outrage at the attacks here and solidarity with the victims. A message from a group of young comedians in Pakistan who have also known terrorism.

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UNIDENTIFIED PAKISTANI COMEDIAN: Now it's easy to blame the refugees who are coming to Europe en masse. But you have to understand they're running from the same people who are carrying out these attacks. Trust me.

UNIDENTIFIED PAKISTANI COMEDIAN: The only time an average Muslim is frustrated is when Nutella is out of stock.

UNIDENTIFIED PAKISTANI COMEDIAN: Angry? When we lose at FIFA '16.

UNIDENTIFIED PAKISTANI COMEDIAN: Annoyed? When we don't get our morning coffee.

UNIDENTIFIED PAKISTANI COMEDIAN: In all honesty, we're the same people as you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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AMANPOUR: Welcome back to the program. These live pictures here in Paris, the memorial at the monument behind me.

Now, at least five of the victims of the attacks last Friday were Muslims. But as their families grieve, they themselves are also the targets of new suspicion. Muslims here were quick to condemn the violence.

Earlier, I spoke to the very angry, outraged chairman of the Grand Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur. He was furious at the attacks. He admitted that Islam is being dragged more and more into a fundamentalist direction.

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AMANPOUR: Welcome back to the program, Mr. Boubakeur.

DALIL BOUBAKEUR, CHAIRMAN, GRAND MOSQUE, PARIS: Merci. Thank you.

[02:45:00] AMANPOUR: It is the second time in less than a year that we have met under the circumstances. The first thing I want to ask you is, the man who they think organized this, the Moroccan Belgian, was raised in a fairly decent household, fairly prosperous, not poor. His family says he was not even religious. He became a petty criminal, he was into drugs, he was arrested. What is this then?

BOUBAKEUR: It is the work of these sects, kind of sects.

AMANPOUR: You call it a sect?

BOUBAKEUR: Yes. We think the people inside, people have problems, great problems.

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AMANPOUR: Troubled youth.

BOUBAKEUR: Yes. We must stop this action. Now we see -- given the exploding.

AMANPOUR: Exploding themselves.

BOUBAKEUR: Exploding themselves. It's completely new and completely -- very astonishing, very.

AMANPOUR: Did you ever think you would see that here in France, women blowing themselves up?

BOUBAKEUR: No, madam.

AMANPOUR: The pope said that this manifestation of what you are talking about is piecemeal, a piece of the third world war. Do you agree?

BOUBAKEUR: Qui. (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

AMANPOUR: You are saying that you have to send armies to occupy the land that they hold? BOUBAKEUR: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

AMANPOUR: Mr. Boubakeur, you are not an imam. You are a doctor. There is a community that one that identify. Why is it that you don't all come together? And where are the massive marches by the Muslim community around the world? Just get out there and tell these Muslims, these radicals, these extremists, people you have been talking about, no. Why is it that we always come out after "Charlie Hebdo," after this, after that? Where are the Muslim marches? Where are the leaders in the Muslim world?

BOUBAKEUR: It is the true question. (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

AMANPOUR: But isn't it time to not be discreet anymore? And do you accept what many mainstream Muslims fear that they are trying, the extremists, radicals, the violent, to drag the extreme and make the mainstream accept that as the standard?

BOUBAKEUR: Our religion also is not religion of violence, jihadis, of women who kill. In what page of Koran is that written that the woman must take bombs inside her body to -- to explode and kill other people? In what part of Koran is that said? In what page of Koran is it said that you shall kill innocent people, young people in France? What have they done to them to be killed?

AMANPOUR: Rector Boubakeur, thank you very much, indeed, for joining us today.

BOUBAKEUR: Thank you so much.

AMANPOUR: Thank you so much.

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[02:49:44] AMANPOUR: So you can hear the outrage and the desperation that people like him are not having a big enough impact, as too many Muslims are being increasingly radicalized. As you see, he made a very astonishing statement that they have to be removed from the territory they occupy where they're planning these attacks.

Now, Paris, this beautiful city, is normally alive at this time of year with festive shoppers from all over the country and all over Europe and other countries as well. Christmas markets have been closed because of this tragedy. But now they're starting to open. We'll bring you the mood on the street next.

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DEREK VAN DAM, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I'm CNN Meteorologist Derek Van Dam, with a quick look at Friday "Weather Watch."

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HOWELL: I'm George Howell, in Atlanta. We will be returning to Paris momentarily.

But in that city, Christmas markets are opening despite Friday's terror attacks. But amid the candy canes and toy soldiers, armed security forces are on patrol in that city.

Senior international correspondent, Atika Shubert, checked out the city's shopping scene.

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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Life is returning to not quite so normal here in Paris. We're on Paris' famous shopping avenue.

And the storm troopers aren't the only security forces. There are armed police, looking out for threats. Even Disney has private security checking even the smallest customers coming inside.

"Security doesn't bother me," this father told us. "I came here with my little girl. She was nervous to come to Paris. Seeing the police around comforted her."

The Christmas market in Paris has just reopened, as you can see, with extra security to assure those in Parisians they're on high alert.

Police also on patrol. And as we walked, we saw a troop cars streaming by promoting the new wine with bottles and glasses in hand.

Toy soldiers, real soldiers and wine, Paris remains defiant.

Atika Shubert, CNN, Paris.

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[02:55:38] HOWELL: Finally, imagine a world transformed. We take a look back at some of the strongest images of a week that shook Paris and whose aftershocks rippled around the world.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't stay at home. Be out. Be outside. Say to the world, "We are not afraid."

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HOWELL: I'm George Howell. Our special coverage continues of the Paris terror attacks after the break.

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