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Josh Duggar Sued By A Porn Star, Claiming Physical And Emotional Injuries; Adult-Film Actress, Danica Dillon, Claims Josh Committed Battery During These Alleged Sexual Encounters; Charlie Sheen`s Ex-Girlfriend Speaks Out Tonight. Aired 9-10p ET

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[21:00:13] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW" PROGRAM: Tonight, Josh Duggar sued by a porn star, claiming physical and emotional injuries.

And, Charlie Sheen`s ex-girlfriend here speaking to me tonight. She says, she -- he could have killed her. Hear what else she is saying about

Charlie tonight.

It all starts right now with the "Top of the Feed". Josh Duggar being sued for $500,000. Adult-film actress, Danica Dillon, claims he committed

battery during these alleged sexual encounters. Listen, though, to Josh -- as compared to those allegations, listen to him from August of 2014.

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JOSH DUGGAR, TLC REALITY T.V. STAR AT "19 KID AND COUNTING": My family has a reality show, "19 Kid and Counting." I am sure many of you

have watched that. And, we have a lot of things that we stand for as a family. And, often you will see those things depicted on the show. My

family having been in the public eye for a number of years, I want to set a few things straight.

I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman, period. What is freedom? The definition of freedom is very simple. Freedom is not

the right to do what we want. Freedom is the power to do what we ought.

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PINSKY: Joining me, Vanessa Barnett from HipHolywood.com; Lisa bloom, Civil Rights Attorney and also -- at Bloom Firm, Legal Analyst for

Avvo.com. I got Segun Oduolowu, Entertainment Journalist; Victoria Taft, Conservative Talk Show Host, and Ani Azadian, Attorney.

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Dillon claims Josh assaulted her causing her physical and emotional injuries and distress. She said she felt as if she were being raped.

Lisa, do you buy these allegations?

LISA BLOOM, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST FOR AVVO.COM: I think it is certainly possible. I mean any woman has the right to say, "I

agree to have consensual sex with you," but not at the level of roughness that she alleges. She says she has bruises and injuries from it.

PINSKY: Ani, how is she going to prove this?

ANI AZADIAN, ATTORNEY: I think this is a case that is going to go out the door. It is going to be extremely difficult to prove, especially since

she consented twice. So, the first time she consents for pay.

PINSKY: So, this is just opportunism?

AZADIAN: I think it is the epitome of opportunism --

BLOOM: But, this is very common with women, who are assaulted or abused. And, in many of cases that I have, women tend to -- you know,

unfortunately, if they are in a relationship with somebody, they can be abused over and over again. It could happen multiple times before they

stand up and say, "Enough is enough."

VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLYWOOD.COM: But, this is not a relationship, and I know you are going to say I am victim blaming here, but this girl has

a lot on her laundry list that leads me to believe that, hmm --

AZADIAN: Right.

BLOOM: And, Josh Duggar does not have a lot on his laundry?

BARNETT: He has but at this point, it is all out there.

PINSKY: Victoria --

BARNETT: He likes to have sex. We know this.

PINSKY: Victoria.

BARNETT: But, I think she knew what she was getting herself into.

VICTORIA TAFT, CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST: It is a shakedown. This is a total shakedown and I agree with Ani to some extent. This case is

probably going to walk. However, the problem for her -- or for him is, it has a settlement value. He is going to have to pay out the door, because

she says she is going to air all of his dirty laundry.

PINSKY: He has been embraced by conservative organizations. Is he a liability now?

TAFT: Absolutely. That is why he left the foundation for which he worked. Absolutely.

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: He is a pig.

PINSKY: OK.

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BLOOM: Thank you.

ODUOLOWU: Come on.

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BLOOM: Thank you.

ODUOLOWU: OK. Listen. He is a pig, but regardless of him being a pig, you cannot, in my mind, as a guy -- you cannot go back for seconds,

like if he roughed her up the first time --

BLOOM: You know what? Let us say he apologized --

AZADIAN: Exactly.

ODUOLOWU: Going back for a second --

BLOOM: Let us say he apologized --

ODUOLOWU: Right.

BLOOM: And, let us say, he said, "It is not going to happen again," right? This is how these relationships go. I am not saying --

ODUOLOWU: Relationship? It was a business transaction.

BLOOM: But, let us look at -- you know, all we are doing is analyzing her. Right? Nobody is talking about the fact that he admits to sexually

assaulting two of his sisters, right?

ODUOLOWU: OK.

BLOOM: This is a guy who stands against LGBT rights.

ODUOLOWU: We agreed he is a monster. He is a bad dude.

BLOOM: I mean this is not a guy we want lecturing us about morality.

ODUOLOWU: He is a bad dude, but even bad dudes -- even bad dudes deserve the opportunity to have a day in court. Like you cannot --

BLOOM: Yes, of course he should have a day in court.

ODUOLOWU: -- because he has done all these heinous things that you want him to now, you know, go under fire for something he may not have

done.

BLOOM: Let him come testify.

BARNETT: By the way, her time is very convenient.

PINSKY: I have to move on to the next story. But, I will tell you what, I do not know that he is a bad dude. I know he is a sex addict. I

know he is a sex addict. I know he is not getting proper treatment. He is not like Jared. That is a bad dude.

ODUOLOWU: But, if you touch your sisters --

PINSKY: That is a bad dude.

ODUOLOWU: If you touch your sisters, you are a bad dude.

PINSKY: He may be a bad dude. I do not know if he is a bad dude. I like to give everyone the possibility of not just redemption but treating

pathology if that is underlying.

BLOOM: Let us hear him apologize.

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PINSKY: I am just saying. I am just -- for the record, I am just addressing what Segun said.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

PINSKY: I do not know if he is a bad dude. I know that Subway guy is a bad dude.

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ODUOLOWU: Yes, Subway guy is.

PIJNSKY: Let us move on to the next story at the "Top of the Feed". It is another case of classroom chaos caught on camera. This is a seventh

grader at a middle school in Detroit. Take a look at this one.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (voice-over): Students in this seventh grade science class started recording as things got out of control. Kids

say the teacher got upset because kids were throwing paper and calling her names as she tried to teach a lesson.

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[21:05:00] PINSKY: Diamonique Singleton said the teacher mistakenly thought she called her a vulgar name. The student was suspended. The

teacher was put on administrative leave. Is there more tape to be seen or that was the totality of the tape? OK. Segun, do you buy this?

ODUOLOWU: I do not buy it. I really do not. As a teacher, this is your worst fear, but you have to be able to handle a classroom better than

that.

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BLOOM: Yes!

ODUOLOWU: You cannot engage in fist to cuff with a student. If you have to leave the room and go and get administrative help you cannot engage

in front of a classroom with children engage in a fist to cuffs and then ever try to think you can come back and teach there or the kids will

respect you.

PINSKY: Victoria.

ODUOLOWU: Shame on the teacher.

TAFT: I want to weigh on this, definitely. First of all, we have not seen the entire episode. We do not know.

PINSKY: Right.

TAFT: It came in a few seconds into it. The other thing is it is nothing that was caught on tape is something that anyone should be proud

of. The teacher should never, ever hit a student. That being said, she can do it in self-defense.

AZADIAN: It did not look like it was self-defense. It looked like --

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ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew -- they stood there like this for about two seconds, when we come into the tape. You can walk away as the adult you

are supposed to walk away.

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BLOOM: Right.

PINSKY: But what if she had threatened -- Ani, what if she had threatened something like really sounded scary?

AZADIAN: I think that if it was a reasonable threat, she should have maybe, you know, protected herself by defending herself and then gone to

the proper authorities at the school.

PINSKY: Get out there have.

BARNETT: But, a threat to -- a punch to the face, there is no reason for the pushing. There is no reason to even be that close to the student.

Walk away. It was so simple. I have been in a classroom. Just walk away.

AZADIAN: I mean she is a seventh grader.

PINSKY: Yes, that is crazy part.

AZADIAN: She is a child.

PINSKY: What is going on in our schools? Am I missing something?

BLOOM: There is way too much violence. And, I think teachers need to be able to take control of a classroom without touching kids. Right?

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PINSKY: Yes. You were not here the night we watched the tape where there was a kid that was just taunting the teacher. Were you here that

night? He picked up a desk over and she just sat there taking it and then everyone criticized the teacher for not taking control of the classroom.

BARNETT: Not everyone. I did not.

PINSKY: I did not. A lot of people did.

BARNETT: I think there is training that is involved. I think that teacher may have understood what she was up against and what she was

dealing with.

PINSKY: I thought she did beautifully.

BARNETT: Yes. She stood up -- or she tried to handle it.

ODUOLOWU: Which teacher?

BARNETT: Not this teacher, the last teacher.

PINSKY: All right, let us hear from the audience. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am a father of two. I have a 14-year-old and think the teacher should be incarcerated.

BARNETT: Wow!

PINSKY: So, if that were your child and you caught a glimpse of that video --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: My kid would have been in the wrong, too, but the teacher was completely in the wrong, could have tried

to restrain the kid and I think the teacher was completely in the wrong.

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PINSKY: it would be hard as a father not to go have a couple of words with that teacher, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. I mean -- the teacher needs more counseling than the child is what I am saying.

PINSKY: I agree.

TAFT: There is something else, though. You know, I just have to add on to what this man just said, which is, you know, the feeling that she

should be in jail or something. She also has an obligation to protect the other students in her classroom. She should not just go and allow someone

who is this crazed to go wild in her classroom.

BARNETT: Was she crazed? Where did you see that?

PINSKY: It looks pretty crazy -- Not until the craziness started.

BARNETT: Yes, until she got pushed twice did this student do anything.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: I do not think she was running around with a gun in her hand in the classroom. There is nothing else that she needs to protect to.

TAFT: But her hands are weapons.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Teaching is a profession that requires a lot of respect. And, I do not know why it is that those

children in the classroom thought that that was OK to do.

PINSKY: Yes. You see, that kind of topic comes up every time we talk about classrooms. It is on both ends. I have a feeling -- my fear is that

some of the students that are disrespectful in the classroom are becoming teachers, because they are a product of the system.

ODUOLOWU: Like the kids that are bullied become cops.

BARNETT: Right.

ODUOLOWU: But, there is more to that story. The classroom was in chaos. They are throwing papers and the teacher felt that papers were

being thrown at her. And, she confronted this girl who she thought called her a bad word.

BLOOM: It was already out of control.

ODUOLOWU: That is a bad teacher.

BLOOM: And, of course, there should be consequences for the kids. Call mom and dad. Mom and dad should come down hard on them.

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PINSKY: And, I know administrators are overburdened these days, but my God, we need -- right now, we need courageous administrators, college

campuses, middle schools, high schools.

ODUOLOWU: Absolutely.

PINSKY: This is where it is time to man up, everybody whether you are a man or not. Time to step up.

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BLOOM: Woman up.

PINSKY: We really need to --

BLOOM: And, maybe we need cameras in all the classrooms like we have cameras on all the police officers.

PINSKY: Great. Great. And, by the way, you guys are all afraid of the NSA and yet you want cameras on everything, how does that work? How

does that work? How can we not let the NSA do their jobs --

ODUOLOWU: We do not have anything to hide.

PINSKY: That is what I am saying. I have no problem with anybody throwing cameras on me. Next, we will keep going.

And, later, Charlie Sheen`s ex is here. She says he could have killed her. We are back after this.

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PINSKY: Charlie Sheen`s ex Bree Olson is scheduled to be here. She will tell us why sex with him was like playing Russian roulette. But,

first, we are back with the "Top of the Feed".

I got Vanessa, Lisa, Segun, Victoria and Ani. 24-year-old Jamar Clark died last night after having been shot in the head, Sunday, during a

confrontation with Minneapolis police. Eyewitnesses included a 10-year-old boy. Take a look at this.

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TEQUILLA DILLON, MOTHER OF THE 10-YEAR-OLD BOY WITNESS: He say, "Mom, they just shot that man out there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Tequilla Dillon, says her 10-year-old son was among those who saw an officer shoot Jamar Clark. A friend of Clark

says he was involved in an altercation with his girlfriend.

Witnesses say when an ambulance arrived to help her, Clark was standing near it. A struggle then ensued between Clark and officers and

that is when witnesses say he was shot.

Several witnesses on hand said that Clark`s wrists were actually handcuffed behind his back when the shot was fired.

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KEISHA STEELE, FEMALE WITNESS: That man was shot in cold blood when he had his hands behind his back.

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DREW EVANS, MINNESOTA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION: There were handcuffs at the scene, preliminarily the subject was not in handcuffs at

the time of this. That is part of the active investigation.

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PINSKY: And, Vanessa, if you do not mind me observing. You -- literally, your body reacting when you heard and thought, "Oh, here is

another one".

BARNETT: Exactly. That is the wave of just depression almost that comes over you like, "God, how many times does this have to happen? There

is always that struggle. It is the he said, she said.

[21:15:00] And, nobody wants to take into account that these -- there were dozens of people outside that are saying his hands were cuffed behind

his back. All of these people are lying? All of these people do not know what they saw?

BLOOM: And, why does not we know the answer to that right now? I mean he was shot. He was killed. He was either handcuffed at the time or

he was not.

PINSKY: See the body cams.

BLOOM: Why is this complicated for us to know?

ODUOLOWU: Well, in the story they say that the body cams were not on.

BLOOM: Which has happened in a lot of my excessive force cases, by the way. I litigate these cases and it just so happens that the body cam

was not on. The audio was not on. In the Freddy Gray case, at the back of the van, "Oh the camera was not working". I think enough is enough. I

think that should be part of a police officer`s job. Make sure your equipment is working or you do not have a job.

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ODUOLOWU: But, why take two months? Like, when you read the story, they are saying that they are doing an investigation. It is going to take

two to four months. Why should it take that long unless they are hoping that the public will forget about this and then it will get swept under the

rug again?

PINSKY: Ani, anything to put into this?

AZADIAN: You know, the first thing that stood out for me was, was he, perhaps, handcuffed before he was shot or was that after? So, that is like

a very important question that needs to be answered in order for us to --

PINSKY: They might have handcuffed him after they shot him? --

AZADIAN: I assume --

ODUOLOWU: Why would they do that?

AZADIAN: I think that maybe the guy might have been just acting out because they said that, you know, he was not allowing them to --

PINSKY: You know, guys, Sergeant Dorsey, who says if you start doing something, I have to put my hands on you, bad things will happen. He

always tells us.

BLOOM: But, that is not the rule.

PINSKY: Have you been in the room with her when she tells us that?

BLOOM: OK. Yes, and bad things will happen. And, I love Sergeant Dorsey as you know.

PINSKY: Right.

BLOOM: But we do not just shoot to kill somebody because they have acted out. This is the problem -- this is why a thousands of Americans a

year die at the hands of police, many of them unarmed.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I just want to say that that does not give anybody any right to shoot somebody in the head. Even though

he was black, there is so many things that are going on in the media right now with blacks being shot. And, I know that if you shoot someone below

the waist then that is fine. But, to just shoot them execution style, that is not cool at all.

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PINSKY: Victoria?

TAFT: OK. Well, for openers, cops do not shoot to just --

PINSKY: They shoot to kill.

TAFT: To wound somebody, to wing somebody.

PINSKY: Yes .

TAFT: They shoot to stop a threat. The other thing is that we do not know whether or not he had handcuffs on, because we do not know yet

because they still have not deposed the cops yet.

ODUOLOWU: But, Victoria, it seems like the beauty is dead men tell no tales. Like, it is easier just to kill you and then I do not have to worry

about what your side of the story was. And, the police seem to do this more often than not.

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TAFT: You know what? What that says is that you do not -- or you have less -- I do not know. You do not really care whether a cop can

defend himself. I mean is that what I hear you saying?

ODUOLOWU: No. What I am saying --

TAFT: Because the bottom line is --

ODUOLOWU: No. But what I am saying is the cops -- the police force itself has eroded our trust in them, so that we can even tell them

TAFT: No, I will tell you what is eroded our trust in them.

ODUOLOWU: Pardon me?

TAFT: It is people telling lies right after.

AZADIAN: Right.

TAFT: Hands up, do not shoot. That did not happen.

BLOOM: The majority of witnesses in Ferguson said that Mike Brown had his hands up. Nobody cannot take that away.

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PINSKY: Let me hear from the audience. Yes, sir.

TAFT: No, they did not. They did not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: And, I feel like this.

PINSKY: Yes .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: If his hands were cuffed or not, makes no difference.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: He was not carrying a weapon. It should not have been lethal force, period.

BLOOM: Uh-huh. That is right.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: They have Billy clubs. They got tasers. They all have kind of things that they could use other than

executing that man like that.

PINSKY: So, tasers or something? There are so many non-lethal --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Something to restrain him --

BLOOM: Physical restraint.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: -- To tackle him. I have seen it all before.

PINSKY: It is Minneapolis, right? It is a big city.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes.

PINSKY: I mean we all agree -- the Los Angeles -- well, that has gone bad, too, right?

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: Right.

PINSKY: Minneapolis, but --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: But just to blast somebody like that.

PINSKY: But in Los Angeles, we are pretty lucky, right? That we have all these other -- they do lots of --

BLOOM: Actually, no.

PINSKY: They do not always go well --

BLOOM: Actually, according to one --

ODUOLOWU: I do not know that we are lucky, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Well, I am just saying. Do we all agree that this town, which was once a disgrace, the police force was really a problem, now it is

something that people look up to.

BLOOM: No, I would not agree. I will tell you why, because there is actually a study that Los Angeles has more police shootings than any other

city.

PINSKY: Well, I am trying to make the point that there could be improvement. From really not good to really good, pretty good.

(LAUGHING)

BLOOM: There could be improvement ---

PINSKY: But, it is expensive.

BLOOM: -- but there is still a long way to go. There are still a lot of dead bodies at the hands of police in Los Angeles.

PINSKY: It is expensive. I got to go to the next story at the "Top of the Feed". It is the Black Lives Matter Movement. We are going to fold

onto this. Last Monday, the President of the University of Missouri resigned in the phase of growing protest over alleged racism on campus.

I heard that Occidental College, they want that president today to step down. That is President Obama`s school for a couple of years. On

Wednesday, protesters created a black only healing space. They asked white supporters to leave activists Johnetta Elzie. She tweeted, Black only

healing space for the students to share, decompress, be vulnerable and real. Victoria, my question to you is, do you have any problem with that,

A?

TAFT: Yes.

PINSKY: And, B -- why?

TAFT: Because it is racist.

PINSKY: It is racist?

BLOOM: It is not racist.

BARNETT: What?!

PINSKY: But, what if you created equal spaces for any other --

TAFT: Separate but equal? Since when do we have that? Plus, immerses Ferguson, no. Not.

PINSKY: Ani.

AZADIAN: I do not think it is racist. I think it is hypocrisy at its finest. When these white students are trying to support you and raise

awareness, and you are essentially kicking them out. It is just you cannot preach something that you cannot follow.

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[21: 20:07] BARNETT: A lot of time abusers do not want to or need to be in the space of someone who looks like the person that has abused them.

So, if these students really need a healing space --

BLOOM: Yes.

BARNETT: -- where they can talk frankly and not offend anyone possibly, give them that moment. They are OK with that moment. Yeah, it

may sound like a hypocrisy, but you do not know what they needed to vent and what they needed to say for them to feel safe.

PINSKY: Hang on. I have something to say.

BARNETT: They want to get away from everyone else.

PINSKY: But I agree, Vanessa, space for me. But, how can we say space for me but not for thee? That is my question.

BLOOM: Because Drew, those of us who are white people, we have a certain amount of privilege that we live with every day that African-

Americans do not. And, I do not think it is a lot to ask in the middle of a Black Lives Matter protest to allow the black folks to have their own

space and take a step back --

ODUOLOWU: No. No.

BLOOM: -- and say, we do not have to be with every --

PINSKY: You do not think?

ODUOLOWU: No. I think -- I am going to be honest with you. I agree with you 100 percent.

BLOOM: Thank you.

ODUOLOWU: I find it distasteful. As a black man I find it distasteful, and I will tell you why. You cannot ask for equality, you

cannot ask for fairness and then at the same time cordon off a place and say you guys cannot come here. I do not like you.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

BARNETT: They are not saying do not support us --

ODUOLOWU: Hold on a second. No, no, no.

BARNETT: They are not saying, do not support us.

ODUOLOWU: But they are saying -- No.

BARNETT: They are not saying do not walk with us.

ODUOLOWU: But, they are saying --

BARNETT: They are saying give us this moment --

ODUOLOWU: It is no different than give me this moment I want to drink it, this water is mine.

BARNETT: -- so, we can talk frankly with someone who understands my experience.

BLOOM: Yes.

BARNETT: I may not be able -- I love her to death.

ODUOLOWU: It does not matter, Vanessa.

BARNETT: But, if I do not feel like I can be frank in my experience because it may offend her, please, just give me a second.

BLOOM: And, I would totally do that.

BARNETT: You know what? Do that in your car, do not do that in a public place.

BLOOM: And, what about a woman only space, is that OK?

ODUOLOWU: No. It is not --

BLOOM: Is that OK?

ODUOLOWU: It is not OK.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am, from the audience.

BLOOM: What about a gay only space?

ODUOLOWU: It is not OK for black people to ask for inclusion and then segregate themselves.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I understand that it may be racist to not have the white people come to the thing, but these people are

on a social media, basically saying we are going to kill the black people. So, you never know who is going to come into the healing and they might

shoot you. You never know. So, let it be black only.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

ODUOLOWU: No. Those are students. I am not buying that one. That one is too easy to say, because then I could always say, "Well, you know, I

thought he was -- I thought the black guy was going to attack me because he just looked threatening. I do not like it." If we want equality, if we

want peace, then you fight for it and you include everybody.

AZADIAN: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: If Black Lives Matter, all lives matter.

PINSKY: But -- but, I am glad we are having this dialogue. This is what we have to navigate, guys. I do not know where the answer is, I do

not know where the right zone is, but other than the dialogue. The dialogue for right now is the right zone. I told you in the green room, I

do not know where we are going. That is what I want to know.

BARNETT: Whose fair.

PINSKY: We got to find ourselves. We have to -- in conversations like this.

Next, Charlie Sheen`s former girlfriend is here. She says sex with him was like playing Russian roulette. We will hear what is that all about

after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I say he could be an amazing spokesperson for this cause, because here is somebody against all odds who is sitting

there this morning telling his truth. And, he is facing a lot of judgment, a lot of hatred.

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AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST: I am sorry that, you know, Charlie has this condition. And, I feel like you -- it is a good thing

that he came forward. But, I am also sorry for the women. And, if there are women out there he did not disclose to, shame on him.

PINSKY: If he knew.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: If he is taking his meds every day and he is undetectable, he is doing the best thing that an HIV-positive person can

do. If he is sharing with his partners, "I am HIV-positive", that is even a grater step.

MARTIN: I agree.

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ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: You are dating a guy that is a known womanizer, that is a drug user, that is having an epic national meltdown;

he is telling everyone he has tiger blood. And, just because he tells you he is clean you are going to believe him? Like to me, you have to take

some accountability for who you have sex with.

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PINSKY: Charlie Sheen revealed he was HIV-positive. Some of his past partners say they were blindsided by this news. I want you to hear what

Charlie said about his sexual encounters after the diagnosis. Watch this from NBC.

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MATT LAUER, NBC HOST OF THE "TODAY" SHOW: Have you knowingly or even perhaps unknowingly transmitted the HIV virus to someone else since your

diagnosis?

CHARLIE SHEEN, ACTOR: Impossible.

LAUER: Have you had unprotected sex on any occasion since your diagnosis?

SHEEN: Yes. But the two people that I did that with were under the care of my doctor and they were completely warned ahead of time.

LAUER: Have you, since the time of your diagnosis, told every one of your sexual partners before you had a sexual encounter that you were HIV-

positive?

SHEEN: Yes, I have.

LAUER: No exception?

SHEEN: No exception.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Lisa, Vanessa, Segun, and Ani. And, again, to interpret what he was saying there for people, when he says that his

partners were under a doctor`s care, I think he is talking about something called pre-exposure prophylaxis, where his virus titers were down to zero.

Meaning he is very -- literally, risk of infection is very low and then the female partner takes the same medication that he is taking

essentially, and that further reduces the risk of transmission.

It is not impossible that there be a transmission, though. Now, Charlie`s ex-girlfriend and former adult film actress, Bree Olson says she

found out about Charlie`s HIV status, just like the rest of us.

BARNETT: Yikes.

PINSKY: Watch this from "Inside Edition."

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BREE OLSON, CHARLIE SHEEN`S EX-GIRLFRIEND/ADULT-FILM ACTRESS: There is no one he could have trusted more than confide this information in than

me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Why do you think he did not?

OLSON: I do not think he cared. I know he did not care. I could be dead right now. I could literally be dead right now because he did not

tell me that. He used this word, "I am clean." "I am clean" and I know -- I know, but I believed him.

It was like playing Russian roulette. That is the best way to put it. It was like he was putting a gun to my head and pulling the trigger each

time. That is giving someone a possible death sentence. He could have killed me. He does not care. There is nothing that man could say to me.

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PINSKY: Charlie Sheen`s manager tells us Sheen was not HIV-positive at the time of the relationship with Bree. They, apparently, broke up

during his, quote, "Violent torpedo of truth tour".

And, Charlie tested, according to his management, tested negative twice after the tour ended. Bree Olson joins me on the phone. Bree, first

of all, thank you for joining us. I understand you are good. You are free and clear, right? So, let us -- I just want to say it.

[21:30:00] OLSON: Yes. I am HIV negative. I have been tested every year, at least once a year since our split. I am just going to my regular

gynecologist appointment -- OB/GYN appointments. And, of course, I did, you know, tests just -- you know, to be able to show everyone two days ago

as well.

PINSKY: And, Bree, so what is it -- is he confusing being infected with HIV with having a low viral titer? When he says I am clean, which by

the way is pejorative to HIV patients.

Is it just that he thought because he had no viral load. He could not transmit it to somebody, so, therefore he did not need to say anything

about it or do you just think it is just recklessness?

OLSON: I really have no idea. And, as you said, I found out with the rest of the world. So, I have really been trying to piece this together.

And, now, because I mean this all could have been prevented. All I wanted to do was go on a radio show and go on a T.V. show and say, "Hey, guys, I

want to show everyone I am HIV negative.

Because, obviously, you can only imagine the hate and everything I am getting and that people are saying, I am the one that gave it to him. And,

I wanted to clear my name. And, then right before I walk into these interviews, I hear that he contracted it right during the time that we were

together.

And -- Or that he found out right after or during the time that we were together. And, so it is like, but that still -- I do not know. It is

all so messed up. I am going through and thinking about this in my head and I am like, "OK. So, is this the cause of the meltdown when we were

together?"

Because everyone has always asked me about that. They are like, "Whatever caused that? You were in the house. What was going on?" And, I

have never had an answer. And, now that I am looking back, that would make sense. Like you know, for someone to get news like that.

PINSKY: Right.

OLSON: Why were there doctors at his house all the time? I never questioned it because that was his personal business. You know, I did not

-- I do not know. I do not want to pry into his life.

I do not know what rich celebrities do or why they have doctors come to their house, you know, at least once a week and they go into a private

room. I do not know. It was a whole new life for me. I did not question things, because it was all different for me. It was a complete different

world.

PINSKY : And, Bree, I want to give Lisa a chance to ask you a question. Lisa is an attorney. And, I know you are involved with all

this. And, let me just say that I heard your interview on Stern. I thought it was great.

And, you do hear you describe, though, him getting sick during that relationship. He thought he had cancer or tumor or something. It turned

out he had HIV. He was diagnosed, and he did not tell you. Is that how we put the pieces together?

OLSON: He -- well, I still do not know for sure. And, I feel like we will never know for sure, because he have these private doctors that would

make house calls.

PINSKY: OK.

OLSON: You know, none of that happens --

PINSKY: Let me give Lisa a chance. Go ahead, Lisa.

OLSON: OK.

BLOOM: So -- Hi, Bree.

OLSON: Hi.

BLOOM: So, I am an attorney and represent a young woman named Cassandra. And, we are considering bringing an action against Charlie

Sheen because she takes issue with a lot of what he said that.

She says that she had unprotected sex with him after 2011, when he says he was diagnosed. And, in fact, ultimately when he did tell her, he

said it essentially had gone away and he was safe and, therefore, they could use condoms. That is her claim.

PINSKY: That is why I think he confuses having HIV with being viral load negative or very low. He does not understand -- I guess, Lisa --

BLOOM: Yes.

PINSKY: -- he seems to not understand these things. But go ahead.

PINSKY: Yes. So, I mean -- so, Bree, my heart goes out to you.

PINSKY: By the way, Lisa, I got to point out that HLN/CNN cannot confirm what your client is claiming. These are all allegations, but go

ahead.

BLOOM: OK. So, Bree, my heart goes out to you, and I am sure you are very distraught. And, I have had a lot of other people calling my office,

too, about Charlie Sheen. I mean do you think he was telling the truth in his interview?

OLSON: No. I do not. You can tell. He is scrambling like he is like questioning -- it is almost like he answered it in a question form of

like -- he is like, "I got it, uh -- no, I found out about it after the heels of the tour." And, it is like even if that were the truth, I was

with him during the tour.

So, that means he contracted it right beforehand. So, why did I not get a -- at least a phone call or at least, as I said, if he did not want

to confide that information to me, at least say, "Hey, I got Chlamydia. You should go check yourself up." I did not get anything for now.

PINSKY: But, Lisa, I have known Bree for a while. She has come on my radio show over the years and she sounds really upset.

BLOOM: Of course.

PINSKY: He is not the Bree I normally met.

BLOOM: Of course.

PINSKY: So, is not that in and of itself an issue from a legal standpoint?

BLOOM: What, that she is upset?

PINSKY: That she is so deeply alarmed.

BLOOM: Yes! That she has emotional distress.

PINSKY: Yes.

BLOOM: And, so does everybody else who had sex with Charlie Sheen, which apparently is a fairly large group of people. And, many people are

claiming in the press and to attorneys like me that he was not completely telling the truth. And, that is a big concern.

ODUOLOWU: Lisa and Bree, my question is, it feels as if you play with a snake and you get bit, you do not get to blame the snake. Like you were

there, up close. And, I am so happy that you are, you know, testing clean and you are --

PINSKY: Well, but listen, Sheen is getting a ton of this on social media. So, go ahead.

[21:35:00] ODUOLOWU: Yes.

PINSKY: How do you respond to comments like that?

ODUOLOWU: I mean, he kind of knew what he were getting involved with.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Bree.

OLSON: I am sorry, what was the question?

(LAUGHING)

ODUOLOWU: I am sorry. Bree, it seems like you were up close --

BLOOM: Like why did not you protect yourself?

ODUOLOWU: Yes. You were up close and personal with Charlie Sheen and you saw his lifestyle. Why did not you take precautions to protect

yourself? You are all adult. It is hard for people to sometimes feel sympathy when you are looking at what this guy was and crying wolf after

the fact.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: And, what I said, Bree was --

OLSON: Oh, I am -- you know what? I am not looking for sympathy, whatever. That is fine. I am just letting everyone know I am HIV

negative. I do not want sympathy. I do not want anything.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: OK.

OLSON: I just want to let people know I am negative.

ODUOLOWU: Well, we are glad to hear that you are negative for sure.

PINSKY: Yes. Listen. A. I want to thank you for joining me. B. Helping clear this up and maybe, Lisa, you could talk to her later.

BLOOM: Yes. But, also one quick thing is if you were HIV positive, it does not go away. And, you can still transmit it --

PINSKY: Of course.

BLOOM: -- even if it is reduced to undetectable level.

PINSKY: Yes.

BLOOM: That is an important message that I think kind of got lost in his interview.

PINSKY: Yes. I agree. Well, the conversation goes on.

Later, a naked burglar walking around without clothes. Why cannot police find him? Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The most dangerous thing here is Charlie.

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PINSKY: He has bipolar disorder. He has addiction, those are life threatening conditions. Those can kill him not his HIV.

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MARTIN: He is facing a barrage of civil lawsuits and possibly some kind of criminal prosecution.

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MARTIN: Did he disclose -- did he use protection and did he have a specific intent to infect any of his partners.

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GOETZ: This is going to probably sound horrible, but I am saying it anyways. Charlie is an amazing actor. We all know that. He is a great

actor. He has had four years to deal with this.

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PINSKY: To me, it is like this is drug addiction. This is sex addiction. This is how this works.

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PINSKY: Charlie Sheen`s physician says he is more worried about Charlie using drugs and alcohol and his mood disorder than he is about

these HIV status. Listen to what Charlie said about substance abuse on NBC.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE PHYSICIAN: My biggest concern with Charlie as a patient is substance abuse and depression.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MATT LAUER: Shame and anger led to a temporary yet abysmal descent into profound substance abuse and fathomless drinking. Was this that whole

tiger blood winning period in your life? Was that a result that meltdown we saw a reaction to your diagnosis?

SHEEN: I -- I -- I -- I wish I could blame it on that. That was more of a road rage.

MATT LAUER: Why would you make the same mistake over and over again?

SHEEN: Because I was so depressed by the condition that I was in, that I was not -- I was doing a lot of drugs. I was drinking way too much,

and I was making really bad decisions.

MATT LAUER: Are you still doing drugs?

SHEEN: No, I am not. No.

MATT LAUER: Are you still drinking?

SHEEN: Still drinking a little bit, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: That is not a real distinction. Back with Lisa, Vanessa, Segun and Ani. Again, we got to really read between the lines here.

People got to get their heads around the fact that HIV and AIDS is something people can live with for decades with proper treatment, which is

clear he is getting.

But, drug addiction, which he is active in, using alcohol and mood disorder -- we saw him in a manic state. And, the physician mentioned

depression. So, we know this is a bipolar condition. Those things could kill him in the next hour easily.

BARNETT: OK. So, with the bipolar, with the addiction, with all of that, how does that play into how he lives with HIV?

PINSKY: It is a really tough question, because people with HIV -- the treatment for HIV can have mood disturbances and neurological disturbances.

The HIV virus attacks the brain. Though, typically it does not do that when the viral loads are down, but it still can.

It can cause, again, mood disturbances, thinking problems. So, it is a complicated interaction when people have HIV and addiction. And, you can

imagine people with addiction are sort of indiscreet with their decision making and so they end up with HIV.

BARNETT: Does that affect like a criminal case? Maybe he was so high he does not know who he told, and you are dealing with prostitution, you

are in drug-induced state, like how are you --

PINSKY: That is my question. Yes.

BLOOM: Legally in California and most states, if you are HIV positive, you are supposed to disclose it to each sex partner whether you

are about to have protected or unprotected sex. Now, if you think somebody who is doing a lot of drugs and drinking a lot and has a mental disorder is

doing that every single time, like Charlie Sheen claims?

BARNETT: Absolutely not.

PINSKY: I find that a little bit hard to believe.

PINSKY: But, Ani, my question is, does he have -- do not you have proofs -- for this to be a really bad situation, do not you have proofs of

some sort of criminal intent? And, I do not think he intended to harm anybody.

AZADIAN: I do not think it was necessarily intent. I just think he has no respect for women. Of course, he gets prostitutes. Everyone knows

about this for, what, about 20, 30 years he has been getting prostitutes. And, it is going to be really difficult to prove intent in this case. I

mean, we just know about his history. But, we do not know if he has --

ODUOLOWU: May I ask all of the ladies, and it might seem like a very stupid question. But, you know -- everybody seems to kind of have a formed

opinion of what Charlie Sheen is. Why are these women still sleeping with him? Like, again, I know it might seem bad, but --

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: But, wait, wait --

BLOOM: They are not all prostitutes.

PINSKY: Hold it.

AZADIAN: But he is already getting assumption they were --

PINSKY: Our audience wants to address that very issue. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a problem with what Bree said. And, I am going to get flack for this. But, as a woman, it is not

the man is job to protect you from him. You can protect yourself. We have the methods, first and foremost.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

Second, I have a problem with the fact that she says she is going to radio stations and news interviews to protest that she does not have HIV.

The thing is this. Protest it to your family. Put it on your social media. You do not need to make the rounds and the circuit and play the

victim card. You are not the only one.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

BLOOM: OK. But what if people are lied to? What if people are lied to? You know, who among us has not been in a relationship where you love

someone and maybe they have some flaws and you overlook it. And, later, on you find out they were lying to you.

ODUOLOWU: But, overlooking Charlie Sheen`s flaws?

AZADIAN: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: I mean this is like broadcast on like billboards everywhere. It is too hard for me to look past. Look these women knew

what they were getting involved with.

BLOOM: OK. So, you should not get involved with Charlie Sheen?

(LAUGHING)

ODUOLOWU: No. But, I also would not get involved with a woman that was promiscuous. They knew he was promiscuous. He never tried to hide it.

They knew he was on drugs.

[21:45:01] BLOOM: Some of them fall in love with people who are not perfect.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

BLOOM: It happens.

ODUOLOWU: Listen. Falling in love with someone that is perfect is one thing. But, Charlie Sheen has never been apologetic about the way he

lived his life. These women should have protected themselves.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am.

ODUOLOWU: I am not blaming them but you got to do better than coming on T.V. and saying woe is me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: OK. So, listen, this is controversial, but if it comes to find out that he is spreading diseases,

do you think the people -- someone should be able to stop people if they are obviously spreading diseases and they are not stopping? Do you think

that someone should be able to come in and stop someone from spreading diseases?

ODUOLOWU: What do you mean by stop?

BARNETT: Castrate them?

BLOOM: You mean quarantine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not know. I mean -- I just mean like legally, maybe, inject him with something that --

BARNETT: Kill him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: -- stops him from --

(LAUGHING)

ODUOLOWU: You got very vague with stop.

BLOOM: You are talking about --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I do not know exactly how, but I just feel like he should be stopped from spreading diseases.

BARNETT: Incarcerated?

BLOOM: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Or something.

BLOOM" And, there is a legal method for quarantining people in that situation, but I think we are far from that. We do not have any of those

facts. Thank God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, I think he should be quarantined if he is spreading diseases.

(AUDIENCE LAUGHING AND APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: Right?

PINSKY: We are getting into interesting territory.

ODUOLOWU: I know.

PINSKY: Listen, to me, it is all -- I want to think this last question, but this is so much about drug addiction and bipolar disorder, it

is just -- Because I see horrible things. And, I try to look at the pathology and give people a chance.

BLOOM: Yes.

PINSKY: He could be a great advocate for HIV and AIDS one day.

BLOOM: And, Segun do not slut-shaming.

ODUOLOWU: I am not --I am not --

BLOOM: Yes.

BARNETT: Charlie Sheen.

ODUOLOWU: No. No, I am not shaming anybody --

BLOOM: No, the prostitutes.

ODUOLOWU: I am not slut-shaming the prostitutes. My whole thing is this, if I offer you $5,000 to sleep with me and you take it, and I say I

am going to offer you another $5,000 if I can go without a condom, and you take it --

BLOOM: But, you are assuming facts that nobody has said.

ODUOLOWU: Hold on a second. What I am saying is that there are women who are saying that he paid more --

AZADIAN: He is arguing assumption of risk here.

BLOOM: Yes. But, you are --

AZADIAN: He is saying you assumed it when you -- you know about Charlie Sheen, he is not some silos actor, you assumed the risk when you

slept with him that there might be a possibility that he has HIV.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am? Yes, ma`am.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

WANDA, FEMALE AUDIENCE MEMBER: I am Wanda. I think we are watching this whole Hollywood narrative. Charlie Sheen has been on film just

reckless and degrading to women, the world and society.

BLOOM: Yes.

AZADIAN: Right.

WANDA: And, now all of a sudden he is on screen with a doctor and his last words were, he feels he has to protect us. He has to tell us about

this. This is Hollywood and we are watching it. He will pay money and all of a sudden he will ride off on this white horse and he will be a hero.

And, I am against that. I do not like that.

(LAUGHING)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Right. We will leave it at that.

Next up, a crime with a twist. The suspect is a burglar who is naked. Back after this.

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PINSKY: It is time for "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook and/or Instagram feeds. And, it is

Lisa who is first.

BLOOM: Well, I have the naked burglar.

BARNETT: Right.

BLOOM: So, in Florida --

PINSKY: We have been waiting for this.

BLOOM: This guy has been caught -- So, first, what happened was he robbed a car of $2. Somebody calls in the robbery. They look at the

surveillance video in the neighborhood, and what do they find? This naked guy wandering around the neighborhood. There he is. Not a stitch of

clothes.

PINSKY: Looks like a little kid wandering around the neighborhood.

BLOOM: Yes. And, then it is not that funny, though, ultimately. Because, ultimately, he is seen on the video masturbating.

PINSKY: Oh, OK.

BLOOM: So, this is a kid -- you know, what is the bottom line? It is really not funny once you add that in. Is that drinking? Is there drugs?

--

PINSKY: No, no. No, that is mental health. Yes, that is mania. Remember the guy from the pony thing, who was down the San Diego. When

people throw their clothes off, it is really a specific thing. It is usually mania and PCP.

BARNETT: Yikes.

PINSKY: And, sometimes bath salt also.

BARNETT: People do bath salts?

PINSKY: People do bath salts. You are off.

BARNETT: Yes. It is like crazy.

BLOOM: Yes.

BARNETT: I have another story from Florida as well, it involves naked people as well.

PINSKY: Wait. Hold on a second. They got to peel me off the floor, because it is Florida again. Shocking!

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: Shocking!

PINSKY: Is it Walmart too?

BARNETT: No, no. This one is about like a hook-up gone completely wrong. And, apparently, like this couple, they are getting stuff from this

storage unit and the woman wanted to get frisky. She is like, let us get it on. We have got this car. Let us do it. She is taking off her

clothes.

BLOOM: Because nothing is hotter than a storage unit.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Have you seen "Storage Wars"?

BARNETT: And, they wanted to have sex in the car.

BLOOM: Yes.

BARNETT: They wanted to have sex in the car. Her guy is like, "Yeah, let us do this." He asks her to get on her back. He wants to be

dominant. He wants to be on top. She is not with it. She is like, "Uh- uh. I do not want it like that."

And, so, he walks off to, quote, "Avoid an altercation". Because they got a history. Then I guess he comes back at some point. She is like, "F-

you. I do not like being on my back".

She throws something at him, hits him in the head, runs his foot over and the guy is out. He is like done. And, so I guess the police show up

at one point. She said she did not do it. I did not hurt him.

PINSKY: Did they have clothes on at that point?

BARNETT: I assume they have on clothes.

PINSKY: OK.

BARNETT: I do not know. But, they were married for 12 years. They divorced. They had just got back together. And, now she is charged with

domestic battery. She could have just got it. She could have got some. Just get some on your back.

ODUOLOWU: Why cannot you --

BLOOM: at least they got a spark in their marriage after 12 years.

ODUOLOWU: OK. Well, my story does not come from the state of Florida, thank goodness, but no less whacky. Now, normally, you cannot

take a picture for your driver`s license with a head covering.

And, this woman here is claiming to be a postefarian. I cannot believe I am saying that on T.V., a postefarian. But, here is the thing,

postefarianism is a real religion. It was started by a man in 2005, when a man challenged the Kansas state board of education about teaching evolution

and creation in school. He claims he was created by the flying spaghetti monster.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: Shared stories involves spaghetti, pirates, a bear volcano and the eight condiments like the ten commandments.

(LAUGHING)

BARNETT: Shut up.

ODUOLOWU: Now, they allowed her to take a picture for a legal document with a colander on her head.

BLOOM: That is using her noodles.

ODUOLOWU: Yes.

(LAUGHING)

[21:55:00] PINSKY: I see a trend. We got to go. Back after this.

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PINSKY: And, my "Click Fix" not Florida, but Walmart. Another Walmart fight. This happened Friday in Ohio. A woman rammed her shopping

cart into another customer, she thought was cutting in line.

The victim was allowed back in front of the suspect. The suspect was escorted out of the store. By the way, she allegedly grabbed another

customer two days earlier. She has a little pattern of this. Wow! Walmart. Brawl-mart as we call it here.

BARNETT: That is crazy.

BLOOM: Wow!

PINSKY: Yes.

BLOOM: Use your words.

PINSKY: Yes.

BLOOM: Use your words, lady.

BARNETT: It is worse than the Rousey fight.

ODUOLOWU: Yes . Rhonda Rousey --

PINSKY: Do you know where that Brawl-Mart was?

BLOOM: Ohio.

PINSKY: Ohio. I said it was Ohio. You are right. Well, Ohio, you are keeping the action too. Thank you all for participating. Thank you,

audience. We will see you next time.

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