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[03:00:00] ERROL BARNETT, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: A downed fighter jet. Now Russia responds. Moscow sends a navy attack ship to the Coast of Syria that orders to destroy enemy targets.

ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW CO-HOST: Protests in Chicago. Tensions simmer after the release of a video showing a white police officer shooting a black teenager 16 times.

Also ahead, heavy security and high alerts as the Brussels metro and schools bring back to life after days on terror lockdown.

Hello and welcome to our viewers here in the United States and all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.

BARNETT: And I'm Errol Barnett. This is CNN Newsroom.

CHURCH: The diplomatic rhetoric over the Turkish downing of a Russian jet bomber is escalating with Cold War overtones.

BARNETT: That's right. Russia warning there will be serious consequences for the incident. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev suggested that possible cancellation of joint projects and Turkish companies losing their place in Russian markets.

The Russian lieutenant general says a Missile Cruiser is now heading to the shores zone of the Syria port of Latakia and that all potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed. These images purportedly show the wreckage of the Russian jet in northern Syria.

CHURCH: Turkey says the plane ignored repeated warnings and violated Turkish airspace. Moscow insists the warplane never left Syrian airspace.

President Vladimir Putin called the downing a stab in the back.

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RECEP TAYYIP ERDO?AN, TURKISH PRESIDENT: Of course this is not something that we wanted to see happen, we wanted to witness. This is not something that needs to be applaud -- applauded. However, we suffered the pain of having to face a situation such as this one. JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: We stand in solidarity with

Turkey, and support territorial integrity of our NATO ally, Turkey. I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and I call for calm and de-escalation.

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CHURCH: And we are covering all angles of this with Ben Wedeman in Iraq and Ian Lee in Turkey. We want to go to first to Istanbul, where Ian Lee is standing by. So, Ian, it's understood that the Russian plane was only in Turkish airspace for a very short time. Although, Russia does dispute that.

But this wasn't the first time that Russian planes have flown into Turkish airspace. What is Turkey saying about this?

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's right, Rosemary. Russian planes have violated Turkish airspace before. (TECHNICAL PROBLEM)

I think it's interesting to note that Turkey has said that they're going to try their best to secure the safety of that pilot, the other pilot, whose fate is unknown.

And we have heard a more conciliatory tone from the Turkish President who have said that they have tried in the past their best efforts to avoid this. And that this does not indicate any animosity on the part of any country, Rosemary.

CHURCH: And Ian, we know that the U.S. President Obama spoke with the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, what all did they say to each other?

LEE: Well, the United States have said that the U.S. and NATO firmly back Turkey and their decision to protect their national sovereignty and that they support them in this decision.

But when you're looking at the statements made both by President Erdogan and President Obama, both are fairly similar in calling for de-escallation of tensions. And as heard just recently from President Putin they are furious over the downing of their jet and this could have some real consequences going forward.

[03:05:05] So, right now, the countries and the international community, as well as Turkey, everyone is trying to de-escalate and making sure that no more violence, no other actions are taken.

CHURCH: All right. Our Ian Lee bringing us up-to-date from Istanbul and Turkey. They are with reactions as well. Many thanks to you.

BARNETT: Ben Wedeman is near the frontlines of the fight against ISIS in Iraq. He joins us now from Erbil. And Ben, despite that fiery rhetoric coming from Russia, the fact is, Turkey is a member of NATO, and in some ways has the backing of the states, so what kind of consequences can Russia really deliver?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think beyond the rhetoric, you have to look at where the relationship is actually not in such bad shape, which is the economy and that is where, I think, you can really see the impact, perhaps, of the souring relations between Ankara and Moscow.

Hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists regularly vacation in Turkey. And we heard Sergey Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister yesterday announcing that A, he was cancelling his scheduled trip to Turkey today. And B, he was encouraging Russians to cancel their vacations, their holiday trips to Turkey as well.

Turkey and Russia have a booming trade and there's the possibility, as we have heard from Prime Minister Medvedev, that perhaps some of those joint projects, some of those economic relations could suffer as well. So, it's not necessarily in the military sphere, so to speak, where we could see signs of that deteriorating relationship. Errol.

BARNETT: And as we look at the Civil War itself, there are some old alliance there, Turkey seems most interested in protecting the Turkmen population but targeting Syrian Kurds, that is a group that U.S. sees as an ally in the fight against ISIS, could that be an issue in the long run?

WEDEMAN: Well, it already is an issue between Washington and Ankara. The Americans aren't happy about the hostile attitude of the Turks towards the Syrian Kurds. But of course, Turkey has a decades-old concern about Kurdish separatist in Turkey itself. Now Turkey has been one of the earliest and strongest supporters for the uprising Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

And in the process his, at best, we could say turned the blind eye to some of the people, its allowed over its 822 kilometer border with Syria. And for instance, when Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS, it promptly began to target Kurds in Syria, and therefore, even though Washington and Ankara are both key members of NATO, they don't see eye to eye on Syria at all.

And that's one of the complications of this absurdly complicated conflict. And one observer wrote this morning, for instance, that all of this is going on between Turkey, between Russia, the United States on the sidelines. That the ones who are really benefiting from this is ISIS.

BARNETT: Very good point, Ben Wedeman live for us this morning in Northern Iraq in Erbil. Eight minutes past 11 there. Ben, thanks.

CHURCH: All right. We're now to France and disturbing news of a very close call; police now say a second wave of terror attacks could have been just hours away when officers raided an apartment in a Paris suburb one week ago.

BARNETT: Take a look at this image. Police say this man suspected ringleader, Abdelhamid Abaaoud and another suspect were plotting a suicide attack on the financial district of the French capital.

CHURCH: And CNN's Max Foster has much more on this. He joins us now live from Paris. Max, the people of Paris have learned about this other attack that was planned this time in the financial district. How are Parisians reacting to that news as well as word that there is another Paris attacker on the loose.

MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Mohamed Abrini, that's what we've been told by Paris police they are searching for him. They believe that he drove the car for the attackers and drop them off of the scene of at least the stadium.

So, they're trying to get him a hold of him. And he was photographed actually at a fuel station two days before the attacks with Abdeslam, Salah Abdeslam who's still on the run and is believe too, been the eighth attacker.

So, yes, the investigation certainly continues in terms of that and they're trying to find as we speak, and they say a multiple country search now looking for him.

[03:09:58] In terms of the possible follow-up attack, Rosemary, we have heard from the Paris prosecutor that the ringleader of the attack was planning another attack on the financial district, possibly hours away from the time that he was killed in that apartment in St-Denis.

We don't have any information about why they think a second attack was in the offing. But the Paris prosecutor is pretty firm that another attack was lined up and that does explains that's why there was a suicide vest in the apartment when they went in, Rosemary.

CHURCH: And, also, I wanted to talk to you about the situation as far as the diplomatic talks, we know that President Hollande is going to meet with Angela Merkel, he's already met with the U.S. President, there's a lot to talk about, and then of course he's going to be meeting with most -- with the Russian President Putin.

There's some really difficult discussions to be had and then of course, and then of course in the mix here is the downing of the Russian plane in Turkey.

FOSTER: And that's really changed the nature of all these discussions. President Hollande was due to be travelling around the world and meeting super powers in trying to create a grand alliance against ISIS in Syria. And now the context of that has changed completely because of this downed aircraft in Syria, which you have been describing there.

So now, it seems as though Washington is more in transient, will not be liaising as closely with Russia as President Hollande had hoped. He's hoping that they would be working together on the ground.

But that seems that's likely President Obama making it very clear yesterday that he can only work with Russia if they guarantee that they will only attack ISIS positions in Russia and not other positions, rebel positions, for example, who are fighting Assad.

We're going to actually follow -- we got actually a piece now from Jim Acosta, I believe who's at the White House as that meeting was taking place. I think I'm right on that. Otherwise, we're going to go to this other piece from Martin Savidge who was actually reporting yesterday on this other attacker that was on the run.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The authorities launching a new manhunt for a second suspect, believed to be connected to the Paris Friday the 13th attacks. Police say Mohamed Abrini is the man who drove one of the cars used to deliver ISIS team members to their targets, including a suicide bomber at the Paris stadium.

Abrini was captured on this security camera at a French gas station, two days before the terrorists strike. He's pictured with Europe's other most wanted man, Salah Abdeslam. The search for Abdeslam expanded into north western Germany today after a tip from French investigators.

But once again, police came up empty. Back in France came new and frightening revelations, according to the Paris prosecutor, the suspected ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud was on the verge of carrying out a second deadly assault in Paris, this time hitting a busy financial area.

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FRANCOIS MOLINS, PARIS PROSECUTOR (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The two terrorists, Abaaoud and the man found with him in the apartment, were planning an attack which consisted of blowing themselves up on Wednesday, November 18th or Thursday, November 19th, in the busy district of La Defense.

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SAVIDGE: The plot was foiled, the investigators say when French authorities carried out this early morning raid in St-Denis last Wednesday. It may explain why those inside the apartment appeared to be so alarmed and ready as authorities moved in.

The resulting firefight lasted an hour and nearly destroyed the building. Abaaoud was killed in the assault. Police say his cell phone delivered a wealth of information including calls he's believed to have made to the killers during the Friday the 13th attacks. Possibly directing them as they zeroed in on their targets.

The phone also revealed Abaaoud's movement that night indicating that he may have returned to the scenes of the massacres. Nerves remain on edge in Paris. Several metro stations closed and there were several evacuations triggered by information authorities say they received.

FOSTER: That's Martin Savidge reporting there. Now, we're joined actually now by Jacques Hogard, he's a former colonel in the French foreign legion. And I see Angela Merkel is coming here today to meet with President Hollande and this was in the context of the Paris attacks that Martin was just reporting about there. But actually is going to be overshadowed shortly by this downed aircraft over Syria.

JACQUES HOGARD, FORMER FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION COLONEL: I think it's an exceptional gravity that took yesterday. It illustrates from my own advice that they'll be in game of Erdogan. Turkey is member of NATO but also support for Daesh and that's the main problem. [03:15:10] FOSTER: But is that confirmed?

HOGARD: Yes.

FOSTER: I mean, that's the often what we heard from on the ground that they haven't been aggressive against Daesh many people have heard.

HOGARD: I think it's -- this is what happened yesterday morning is pre-meditated against the future alliance between the East and West and that mustn't occurred.

We have to make this alliance between Russia and the United States and NATO and France, of course. We have to build up this alliance which is absolutely necessary to eradicate Daesh.

It's not obviously in the interest of Turkey and Erdogan, which once again, the support for Daesh, he has a lot of interests against Syria, against Bashar regime, but also, an economic interest, strategy interest against the opportunity of the alliance between East and West.

FOSTER: But opposing Assad and his regime, and opposing some of the same people that ISIS opposes, it's very different than actually supporting ISIS on the ground and there is no evidence that they're doing that.

HOGARD: I think, there are some -- there are some Islamist groups, not only ISIS, that France supported for a long month, maybe some years. They are altogether against, you know, against Bashar regime, but for the own interest today. I think 80 percent of the bombing made by Erdogan against ISIS was in fact against Kurds who are fighting ISIS. Why? That's really the major question we have to answer.

FOSTER: OK. Jacques, they come up as a subject. Thank you very much indeed for joining us. When Angela Merkel and President Hollande meet here in Paris very recently. Errol, we'll be watching it very closely.

CHURCH: Indeed. Max Foster joining us there from a very wet Paris on this morning, it is about 9.17 in the morning. And we will join you again very soon, Max. Thank you so much.

BARNETT: Protests on the streets of Chicago after police release video of a white officer shooting a black teen more than a year after it took place.

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ANITA ALVAREZ, COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY: CHICAGO MAYOR: The 15- year-old young man die in such a violent manner is deeply disturbing. And I have absolutely no doubt that this video will tear at the hearts of all Chicagoans.

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KATE RILEY, CNN WORLD SPORTS HEADLINES REPORTER: I'm Kate Riley with your CNN World Sport headlines.

We start with the Champion's League Group G where struggling Chelsea took on its reigning champ Maccabi Tel Aviv on Tuesday. This would be a much-needed confidence boost for the blues. He strolled to a 4 nearly away victory against the 10 man hook. Cahill opened the scoring when Willen struck with nicely struck free kick.

The game was made safe by another Brazilian, it's Oscar made it 3 cut Zuma under the fourth.

To stay in the Champion's League, an Arsenal needed a win and a win by Bayern. They got both. Gunners facing Dinamo Zagreb of North London, the premier league side making it look easy. Alexis Sanchez put Arsenal tune it up after the hard hour, laying got his break and his team serve the night in the second half, 3 nil, it would end at the Emirates Stadium.

In the meantime, defending champions Barcelona put four parts bitter rivals around Madrid last weekend in La Liga. And on Tuesday, the Brits scoring (Inaudible) where they were at it again, thrashing Italian Giants Roma to confirm their spot in the round of 16.

Barca running out winners, 6 goals to 1 in front of their home fans. Luis Suarez helped himself to two after Lionel Messi. He was in the starting line out for the first time since September. The Argentine with a brace, 6 to 1 to Barca, the final score there.

And that is a look at all your sports headlines. I'm Kate Riley.

BARNETT: Anger and frustration in Chicago after police released a controversial video showing the shooting death of a black teen by white officer.

CHURCH: And we want to warn you the video is very disturbing. In the dash cam video, Laquan McDonald is seen walking toward a patrol car.

BARNETT: The teen as you see, hey, he walks away from the two police officers who have their guns drawn. Seconds later, enough there is opens fire, you see there McDonald fall into the ground.

CHURCH: Demonstrators march for Chicago following that video's release. At one point, protestors blocked a major interstate in the city for about 20 minutes. Most of the demonstrations have been peaceful.

BARNETT: CNN's Rosa Flores has the latest now on the investigation.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The video is shocking. A white Chicago police officer shooting a black teenager 16 times. The deadly confrontation captured on a police dash cam more than a year ago, led to a first-degree murder charge for Officer Jason Van Dyke.

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ALVAREZ: This officer went overboard, you know, and he abused his authority and I don't believe the force was necessary. (END VIDEO CLIP)

FLORES: Police say, 17-year-old, Laquan McDonald was shot and killed while holding a knife after slashing a tire on Chicago's Southwest side. Van Dyke was one of eight officers on scene that night. But prosecutors say he was the only one to shoot. Opening fire only 6 seconds after arriving.

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ALVAREZ: Officer Van Dyke partner related that he could hear McDonald's struggling to breath and he told Van Dyke to hold his fire so he could approach McDonald and kick the knife away.

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FLORES: The dash cam video shows McDonald's body being riddled with bullets even after falling to the ground and the autopsy confirms the teen was hit 16 times.

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ALVAREZ: Van Dyke's partner reported that there was a brief pause in the shots. When he looked at Van Dyke and saw that he was preparing to reload his weapon.

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FLORES: Van Dyke's lawyer says his client acted in self-defense and the case shouldn't be played out in the media.

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DANIEL HERBERT, OFFICER JASON VAN DYKE'S ATTORNEY: This is a case that needs to be tried in a courtroom. It needs to be tried in a courtroom where the rules of evidence are in play and the Constitution is in play. This is a case that my client should be afforded the same presumption of innocent that every other American.

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FLORES: The McDonald family received a $5 million settlement from the City of Chicago, but did not want the video released. In a civil suit filed by journalist, a judge ordered the video should be made public. Now, community leaders and the City of Chicago are on edge preparing for outrage and protests.

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RAHM EMANUEL, CHICAGO MAYOR: While we use this episode in this moment to build bridges that bring us together as a city or we allow it to become a way that erects barriers that tear us apart as a city.

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FLORES: Rosa Flores, CNN, Chicago. [03:25:00] BARNETT: Paul Callan joins me from New York to talk about

this. He's a CNN legal analyst and senior trial council at Callahan Legal, a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor.

Paul, you and I just sat and watched the two minutes of the footage, it's very disturbing. But how unusual is it that it took more than a year for the Chicago Police Department to release this video to the public?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It's extraordinary disturbing video and I'm shocked frankly at the amount of time it took Chicago law enforcement authorities to release this tape. And I'm also surprised that how long it took for them to decide what charges to be filed in this case.

They only announced earlier today, really that this was going to be a first-degree murder case against the officer. So, you know, I think it's very, very unusual that there would be this long of a delay.

BARNETT: And you have concern currently, over how people in Chicago will react, there's anger and frustration, it's understandable when you see the video, but doesn't something like this also make the case for dash cams and body cams and police departments all over the country so that there is no question.

CALLAN: Well, it certainly does make to the case, but ironically, it also suggests that even when you have cameras in place, justice does not necessarily occur swiftly. I mean, I watched this tape with you, Errol, and you know, it looks pretty simple. You know, the man was down on the ground, shots were fired into him.

I shouldn't say man, he was only 17 years old. He wasn't threatening the officer when the shots were fired, the final shots were fired. So, that's not a complex fact pattern. So, for it to take this long to reach a decision about whether a crime had been committed and what's specifically to charge is certainly surprising.

BARNETT: And this incident took place last year, since then, we've seen multiple eyewitness videos, body cams, dash cam videos of police using excessive force when it comes to unarmed black man, specifically.

I'm just wondering, amidst this national conversation and the debate because you have people divided over this, could this incident and this video be a kind of turning point for those who are so quick to defend the police no matter what.

And we should make the point that the officer charged here, Officer Jason Van Dyke was the only officer to discharge his weapon. So, it also kind of undisposed that one single bad apple can really ruin the perception for police officers everywhere.

CALLAN: Well, this has been an enormous controversy in the United States, particularly in the African-American community about the excessive use of force by police officers. But of course in fairness to the police, many of the cases like the famous Ferguson case, the grand jury found that that police officer actually acted in self- defense.

Now there have been other cases where the cops acted improperly, and sometimes were not indicted and sometimes they were indicted. But this case, I think will stir enormous controversy and it will -- you know, African-Americans will have to say why does it take so long for there to be justice in a case where the fact seems so clear.

Now perhaps the prosecutor will have some explanation as to why it took so long to resolve this matter at least in terms of deciding what to charge. Remember, a trial has to follow.

BARNETT: Well, we appreciate you joining us for some of your insight. Paul Callan, our CNN legal analyst joining us there.

CALLAN: Thank you.

CHURCH: And CNN teamed up with the Kaiser Family Foundation to find out how Americans feel about race in the United States. More than 1900 Americans were surveyed from August into October, most of those polled regardless of race said, racial tensions increased in the past 10 years.

BARNETT: Take a look at some of the numbers here, the survey found that 49 percent think that racism is a big problem in American society today, and 33 percent said it's somewhat of a problem. The study also revealed an increase in the number of people who consider racism a big problem compared to four years ago when 28 percent of people felt that way.

CHURCH: Blacks and Hispanics view racism as a bigger problem compared to whites. Two-thirds of black and Hispanics say it's a big problem compared to 43 percent of whites surveyed.

Well, Brussels slowly gets back to normal after a days-long lockdown. The latest, just ahead in a live report.

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CHURCH: And warm welcome back to our viewers here in the United States and all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.

BARNETT: And I'm Errol Barnett. Thanks for staying with us.

Let's update you on our top stories right now. NATO Secretary General is urging calm after Turkey shot down a Russian war plane. Turkey says the plane ignored a series of warnings and was shot down after violating Turkish airspace.

Moscow insists the jet remained over Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said the incident will have, quote, "serious consequences."

CHURCH: Protesters marched through Chicago after police released controversial dash cam video showing a white officer shooting a black teen. Authority say, 17-year-old, Laquan McDonald was carrying a knife when an officer shot him 16 times last October. That officer has been charged with first-degree murder. BARNETT: French police say they narrowly averted a second wave of

terror attacks in Paris. Authorities say, two suspects were planning a suicide bombings of the financial district when police raided their apartment, both men were killed in that raid.

CHURCH: It is mid-morning in Brussels where schools and the metro system are re-opening after a four-day lockdown. Officials say they want the Belgian capital to return to normal. But it will remain at the highest terror alert level for now at least.

Let's bring in CNN's Alexandra Field for the latest. She joins us now from Brussels out the front of one of those schools, in fact.

So, Alexandra, the terror alert level is still at its highest, and yet, the schools are being opened. Many parents concerned and confused about that. What is the justification according to authorities there?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, some people simply won't be able to square that the fact of the terror alert level remains at its highest level. And the fact that these schools are being re-opened. But a lot people who you were speaking to today.

The students and the parents were coming out here to these schools which are re-opening, have decided to put their faith in authorities who are continuing to monitor the situation and who have decided about today, is in fact, the appropriate day to open the schools.

[03:34:57] But they are doing with an added layer of security of course. We've seen all morning foot patrols from police officers who are surrounding schools and patrolling schools throughout the city.

We also know that there are hundreds of members of the military who are securing the metro system as that re-opens this morning. I spoke to some students who are heading into the journalism school behind me. They say that they realize that life is different than it was before the Paris attacks.

They say that they live now with greater level of fear and anxiety. But if this is the new normal then it's time to return to it. One young woman told me that she looked at her younger brother this morning as she left the house to head off the school. She could see the fear in his eyes.

She was saddened that she didn't have more answers for him than when this city went into a lockdown on Friday. But at this point people are feeling that they have stayed home, many of them where they have stayed out of public places for the most part.

They've let the authorities proceed with their raids to try and root out any people who could be connected to the terrorist cell that perpetrated that attack in Paris.

And at this point, they feel they really have no other choice but to get out and to try to return to that sense of normal, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Yes, and that sense of normal, this new norm you mentioned when you talked to that student, is this what's going to be going forward. Because the danger hasn't subsided, has it? But if people just going to have to get used to this heightened security on the streets?

FIELD: Right. Certainly nobody can come out at this point and say, all clear, when people know that they live under this heightened threat level at this point. And you heard from the Minister of the Interior back on Monday, when he said that the operations are still ongoing.

The fact is, you've got Salah Abdeslam still at large, there's an international manhunt for him, there is also now an international arrest warrant for Mohamed Abrini, that is the man who was seen recorded by a camera at a gas station with Salah, just two days before the Paris attacks.

They were seen in the car that was used to -- that was used in the attacks in Paris, just two days later. So, we know that there is still these suspects at-large, that police are very much trying to find. We've also heard from Belgian investigators that they have made five arrests in connection with the Paris attacks for their part of the investigation.

So, people are aware that these manhunts are ongoing but what they can do right now is simply get back out here.

CHURCH: Yes. It is a real concern for sure, but normalcy at least brings some comfort for people to get back to their normal routine. Alexandra Field joining us there from Brussels, at the front of one those schools opening today along with other schools across the city. Many thanks.

BARNETT: Police in Paris are looking into Islamist radicalization among the city's transportation workers. The operation involves employees at both major Paris airports and the city's bus and rail services.

Our Max Foster joins us now live from the French capital, once again with more on that. The idea that people were radicalized within the transportation services is quite an alarming one, Max.

FOSTER: It's frightening, isn't it? Security force and French security telling CNN, that for two years now, they've monitoring the radicalization of workers on the buses and the trains and at the airports.

So, for example, you need a particular fobs to get on to the runway at Charles de Gaulle Airport and 10 people have had those fobs taken away because the security service is concern that they become so radicalized. It just shows the type of investigations that the security and services and police are trying to keep across in plotting these attacks now and how the county is having to learn from that.

So, there was a lot of points but no one is being fired or taken off their job because of concerns about radicalization. But in terms on the latest in the investigation, we're now learning that the second attack was thwarted. The ringleader of the Paris attacks apparently planning on attacking the financial district.

With me is Regis Le Sommier he's deputy editor-in-chief of the Paris Match. You are watching the Paris prosecutor as he gave these new details, what particularly stood out to you?

REGIS LE SOMMIER, PARIS MATCH DEPUTY EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: Well, what really stood out is the behavior of Abdelhamid Abaaoud after or during the attacks. Let's put the thing a little into perspective. Abaaoud is a well-known high figure in the ISIS -- in the ISIS network.

He's had four-page, a four-page story in Dabiq, which is the ISIS magazine, back in February 2015, showing himself in daylight, you know, in nice pictures. We've tracked him at Paris Match ever since February of 2014, with a video, with the first video that was taken of him in Syria, so he's a well-known figure.

And to see that this guy is able during the attack, at the time there's police special forces is acting, you know, against his comrades at the Bataclan to be spotted in, you know, in the metro and what we know from what the prosecutor told us, that he was among the crowd.

Let's remember your viewers, at that time it was the time where Manuel Valls, President Hollande went to the Bataclan. He could have been there in the crowd.

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[03:40:02] FOSTER: He could have been in the crowd.

LE SOMMIER: He could have been there in the crowd. And apparently, he was moving around, you know, he took the subway, apparently meeting another guy, unknown guy in the subway, then getting out of the subway in Nas (ph) which is pretty to here.

Then apparently, he made his way back to St-Denis where he had, you know, a reunion and that's where he got killed. Now to imagine that this guy was so easily here could be, you know, we know that he was bragging about going back and forth from Belgium and Syria, we now know that he, you know, was moving around almost freely.

He's a well-known ISIS figure that was able to move freely in Paris. That's a major breach of security there. There is definitely some question to be asked. Also, you know, the last part of, you know, of what Francois Hollande told us yesterday, that they were planning an attack on a major shopping mall in La Defense.

la Defense is, you know, I can see it from my home, I live nearby. There has been some rumors about them attacking, planning, you know, attacks on shopping malls for a long time. It's a -- we know that and around Paris you have a lot of shopping malls. It's an easy target.

We also know that his cousin, he asked, Abaaoud asked his cousin, ask now the one who was killed also in St-Denis to find him some suits. So, what they were for, maybe they were, you know, they wanted to act as security guard, you know, moving to La Defense taking their shift probably hiding there waiting for the shopping mall to open.

They had two targets over there, the shopping mall and also the police station. And apparently, Abaaoud was supposed to be a suicide bomber over there, too.

FOSTER: It does seem that they did thwart a major attack because it does make sense that the suicide vest was in that apartment if they were planning another attack.

LE SOMMIER: Yes.

FOSTER: Regis, thank you very much again for joining us this morning. Regis Le Sommier.

BARNETT: Max, thanks very much. We'll connect with you later.

Now Tunisia is under a state of an emergency after an explosion rocks the capital.

CHURCH: At least 15 people were killed when the blast struck a bus carrying members of the president's guard in Tunisia. Authorities are now investigating this as a terror attack.

BARNETT: Russian President Vladimir Putin is weighing his options after Turkey shot down a fighter jet along the border of Syria. Next, we'll ask CNN's global affairs analyst what's likely to happen. Stay with us.

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VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT: Today's loss for us was a stab in the back from terrorist accomplices. I cannot describe it in any other way.

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BARNETT: Russian President Vladimir Putin there, his blunt condemnation of Turkey's downing of a Russian fighter jet near the Turkish-Syrian border. While accusing Turkey of being an accomplice to ISIS terrorist, Mr. Putin warned of serious consequences.

CHURCH: Meanwhile, the Russian Prime Minister hinted the downing puts joint projects and Turkish companies place in Russian markets in jeopardy.

BARNETT: Now we have this information just in to CNN, according to Reuters, Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan is defending his military decision to shoot down a Russian warplane. He says the fighter jet was in Turkish airspace. But the wreckage landed mainly in Syria. Listen to this.

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RECEP TAYYIP ERDO?AN, TURKISH PRESIDENT (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We cannot allow our borders to be breached continuously and we are against our hegemony to be breeched and our rights to be crushed.

We cannot remain silent to all of that. We do not have any intention to escalate this matter, all we are caring for is defending our security and love and rights of our brothers.

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CHURCH: Given the ominous warnings, the question becomes, what will President Putin actually do?

We spoke with our global affairs analyst, David Rohde.

DAVID ROHDE, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, I think the most dangerous thing would be, you know, another provocation by Russian jets. This is not something new in terms of what's happening in Turkey. There's been dozens of incidents, most of them in Europe, where Russian planes have sort of moved into very close to NATO airspace, and NATO jets have return scrambled to meet them.

But this is the first time that a NATO member jets have shot down a Russian plane ever. So, he can push it on the ground in Syria. I think that's less likely. I think he will -- maybe he could expand the Russian military presence, maybe the number of planes in Syria by backing the Assad regime.

He's sort of embarrassing the Turkish President Erdogan who, you know, Erdogan talked about, you know, removing Assad from power very quickly. And then I think in the long-term, there's a lot of economic ties between Russia and Turkey, particularly the energy front.

So, he could, I think, create economic problems, energy problems, gas price problems for Turkey in the long term as a way to punish Turkey for what happened.

Let's talk more in depth about the consequences could be now with Soner Cagaptay, he's a senior fellow and director of the Turkish research program at the Washington Institute and also the author of "The Rise of Turkey, The 21st Century's First Muslim Power."

He joins us now live from Istanbul. Soner, thanks so much for your time. The re have been previous claims of Russia violating Turkish airspace...

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SONER CAGAPTAY, TURKISH RESEARCH PROGRAM, THE WASHINGTON INSTITURE DIRECTOR: My pleasure.

BARNETT: But why do you think Turkey decided this time to shoot down a Russian jet, why now?

CAGAPTAY: I think Turkey was for a long time irritated and bothered by the fact that Russia was violating Turkish airspace. This was part of the Russian operations to support the Assad regime in Northern Syria where Turkey back rebels had gained ground. And the question is, why yesterday? And I think the answer would be that, there's some domestic pressures

here, the Russian planes were specifically bombing areas in Northern Syria populated by Turkmens who are related to Turks ethnically, and there's domestic pressure against the government to help do something -- to do something to help the Turkmens.

And I think the government acted as a result of that. But there's also another angle, which is that Turkey's Syria policy is now basically trying to get Turkey at foot at the table when -- and negotiated at (Inaudible). And Turkey was hoping that the rebels that the country backs would not be swept out entirely by Putin, because Putin's airpower is so dominant that for their bombings would of course, debilitate Turkey-backed rebels in northern Syria.

But perhaps what this act Turkey has unwittingly led the way to exactly vet, meaning the end of the Turkey-backed rebels in northern Syria. Because I think one way Putin will react to this is militarily in northern Syria, he will be so that he'll survives, which is a goal that Turkey long try to achieve to oust Assad so that one can come in (TECHNICAL PROBLEM).

[03:50:08] But also another goal that Turkey had, have a foot at the table in Syria, Turkey-backed rebels in Syria will be swept away by Putin's sheer military force. And I think that's where Turkey will pay back because that would also mean that Turkey will have to face probably a large flow of refugees coming from northern Syria when Putin and Assad move in to clean up that area.

BARNETT: That's a good point you make. It is quite complicated and we'll just have to see how this plays out. We apologize to our viewers for some of those technical issues. But we had a lot there from what Soner Cagaptay had to say, a senior fellow and director of the Turkish Research Program with the Washington Institute, joining us from Istanbul. Thanks very much.

CHURCH: And we'll take a very short break right here. But on the other side of the break, the launch of a privately owned rocket spectacular, but wait until you see the landing, why it was so unusual. That's still to come.

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DEREK VAN DAM, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Good day. I'm CNN meteorologist, Derek Van Dam with a quick look at your weather watch.

Upwards of 47 million Americans traveling across the United States this week, and guess what? There is some winter weather that we'll have to navigate over the next coming days, specifically across the central interior where we have the potential of an ice storm from the Panhandle of Texas, through portions of Nebraska and into Oklahoma.

More on that in just a second. But here is a storm system evolving over this, the West. We have winter storm watches from Wednesday into Thursday, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, Idaho, as well as Montana. Portions of Oregon and even into the sierra Nevada's of California. And as we look towards the central plains states, from Thursday into

Saturday, that's where the potential of our ice storm exists. It's the perfect setup really. We get that warm, Gulf moist air overriding a very cold surge of air coming from the north and that sets the scene for the potential of anywhere between a half to one centimeter of ice accumulation possibly into Amarillo, Texas, perhaps just outside of Oklahoma city, Wichita, des Moines, Omaha, and Kansas city.

Those are the areas that we're concerned about and we'll continue to monitor. Elsewhere, the Windy City, 9 degrees. Atlanta, 15. New York, perfect conditions for the holiday weekend, temperatures staying in the middle teens.

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BARNETT: In just a few hours, Pope Francis will land on the African continent for his first papal visit there. You're seeing footage here from the pope leaving Rome just a few hours ago.

[03:55:02] CHURCH: The three-country tour begins in Kenya and includes stops in Uganda and will turn Central African Republic.

BARNETT: Let's get you to West Texas now, with just one small step and perhaps even a giant leap in commercial space travel.

CHURCH: Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin Company sent this rocket up more than 100,000 meters on Monday. That took it just into space. But that's not the achievement that Amazon founder is celebrating.

BARNETT: That's right, because this rocket landed safely and intact, that is a big deal, a breakthrough even, since rockets are normally disposed of after launch. We're using them with substantially cut the cost of space travel. It looks cool as well.

CHURCH: Very cool.

BARNETT: Now, this song is going to be stuck in my head already. It will be stuck in yours all day. Pop star Adele is saying "Hello" to the record books.

There you go, that is "Hello." I know you've heard it by now. The British artist latest hit from a new album "25". It just smashed the singles week sales record in the U.S. and is on pace to do the same in the U.K., "25" has also the top-selling album of the year "25" surpassing Taylor Swift's "1989."

CHURCH: Also to sing the whole song there, Errol. Adele's album has sold more than 2.4 million copies in the U.S. in just three days. That's according to Nielsen Music. Industry analyst project she could sell nearly 3 million copies by the end of the week. How about that?

Well, thanks for watching. I'm Rosemary Church.

BARNETT: And I'm Errol Barnett. Max Foster is next, live from Paris, with another edition of CNN Newsroom. Have a great day.

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