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Tensions High Between Russia, Turkey; Hollande Working Toward Multinational Coalition Against ISIS; Doctors Without Borders Calls U.S. Forces "Grossly Negligent"; Trump Doubles Down on Controversial Comments; Protests After Release of Video of Officer Shooting Teen; Spike Lee, Michael Pfleger Talk Violence in Chicago; Pope Francis Visits Kenya; Adele Album "25" Takes Top Spot. Aired 1-2a ET
Aired November 26, 2015 - 01:00 ET
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[01:00:00] ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN NEWSROOM, live from Los Angeles, ahead this hour: angry Russians hurl eggs at the Turkish embassy, with tensions between the two countries soar following the shoot-down of a Russian jet.
Plus, after the Paris attacks, new worries that radicals may have infiltrated France's transportation system. And, we'll take you live to Kenya, where Pope Francis has just begun his first full day in Africa.
Hello, and thank you for joining us. I'm Isha Sesay, NEWSROOM L.A. starts right now.
Both Turkey and Russia say they don't want war, but tension between the two since the Turkish downing of a Russian plane is palpable. Ankara accuses Moscow of deceit, saying Russian planes weren't flying over ISIS targets, but over ethnic Turkmen along the Syrian border. Matthew Chance reports Russia suggests the shoot-down was premeditated.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In a forest near the Turkish/Syrian border, the twisted wreckage of Russia's downed war plane. This exclusive footage, obtained by CNN, shows metal fragments barely recognizable, scattered through the trees. The Syrian rebel fighter picks his way through the debris. This is the moment Turkish intersectors blasted the Russian plane out of the sky. You can see it plunging to earth like a fireball. The Turkish military has now released what it says is a recording of the clear warnings they gave the Russian plane. after ten messages, over five minutes, the Turks say they opened fire.
The two Russian crew ejected safely, their parachutes opened. Russia now confirms one of the airman, the pilot, was dead when he hit the ground; but after a 12-hour Special Forces operation, Russian officials say the second crew member, the navigator, was rescued. He's now appeared on Russian television, his back turned to the camera, denying his plane violated Turkish airspace or that any contact was made before they were shot down. KONSTANTIN MURAKHTIN, COPILOT, RUSSIA, via translator: In reality,
there were no warnings, not via the radio, not visually, that is why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand if they wanted to warn us they could have shown themselves, but there was nothing. The rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvers.
CHANCE: Outside the Turkish embassy in Moscow, Russians vented their anger, chanting murders to the diplomats inside, pelting the buildings with stones and eggs. The Russian authorities are furious too. The country's Foreign Minister suggesting the shoot-down was a deliberate act.
SERGEI LAVROV, FOREIGN MINISTER, RUSSIA (via translator): We have serious stats that this was unintentional. It looks very much like a pre-planned provocation.
CHANCE: For the moment, Russia insists there is no plan to go to war with Turkey over this, but it is bristling with fury; determined this first shoot-down will be the last.
Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.
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SESAY: Well, our own Ian Lee joins us now from Istanbul with more. Ian, Russia and Turkey still very much at odds over the downing of this fighter jet. Any signs of this situation deescalating?
IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Isha, we've heard that Turkey and Russia have both said that - or reaffirmed that they are not going to go to war over this incident. Turkey has been a lot more conciliatory in their rhetoric saying that they have no animosity towards Russia, but they also reiterated they will defend their national sovereignty. Russia has violated Turkish airspace in the past, and they're saying, basically don't say we didn't warn you, to the Russians; although the Russians are furious, as we heard in Matthew Chance's piece, where the Russian foreign minister says that he believes this is a pre-planned
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provocation. We also heard from Vladimir Putin that this was a stab in the back. So a lot of fiery rhetoric but also words coming from NATO, as well as the United States, saying this should not escalate any further, and now it does seem to be de-escalating a bit.
SESAY: And Ian, let me ask you about Russia's decision to move an air defense system to its base in Lattakia. What does this mean for this conflict there in Syria? Give us some context.
LEE: Well, these are S-400 surface-to-air missiles. These are the most advanced surface-to air missiles that Russia has. They can go about 400 kilometers, about 250 miles range. That goes well into Turkish airspace. That's, you know, 50 miles from the border to the base where they're going to be stationed. So they do have quite a large range, so that Russia also is going to be sending fighter jets to escort their bombers. So Russia, sending a message that they're not going to let this happen again, whether it is through talks or military measures.
SESAY: Ian Lee, joining us there from Istanbul. Ian, we appreciate the insight; thank you very much.
Now, U.S. President, Barack Obama, is showing Americans it is safe to travel this Thanksgiving holiday. In the wake of the Paris attacks ISIS has threatened several times to attack targets in the United States. Mr. Obama says the government is taking every possible step to keep the country safe.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Right now we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland and that is based on the latest information I just received in the Situation Room. So as Americans travel this weekend to be with their loved ones, I want them to know that our counter-terrorism, intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement professionals, at every level, are working overtime.
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SESAY: Meanwhile, French President Hollande is working to firm-up a multinational coalition against ISIS. He met with German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, on Wednesday. They laid flowers at a memorial for the Paris attack victims. Mr. Hollande will host Italian Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi, in the coming hours, before traveling to Moscow for talks with Russian President, Vladimir Putin.
Well investigators in France are working to piece together the network of terrorists that carried out the attacks nearly two weeks ago. Our own Max Foster is live in the French capital for us. Max, two suspects still on the run. What are French authorities saying about the investigation? Do they have any concrete leads?
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They don't seem to; at least they're not telling us that they have. Mohamed Abrini and Salah Abdeslam still on the run, and presumable having some sort of support to keep them under the wire of the authorities. That's the assumption at this point, and also French authorities doing all that they can, really, to try to prevent another attack and look at whether or not another one might be being planned somewhere. They're taking a closer look at whether Islamists radicals are infiltrating the countries transportation system, for example, Isha. Here is CNN's Pamela Brown with more on that.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Samy Amimour, one of the eight Paris attackers who blew himself up at the Bataclan Theater, had once been a transportation bus driver in France until 2012. That same year authorities charged him with collaborating with a terrorist enterprise after he allegedly attempted to fly to Yemen. It's just one reason French officials say they've been investigating whether radicalized Islamists are working at major transportation hubs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Security is only as good as the people doing security.
BROWN: Since January, 50 employees in France with access to the tarmac and aircraft have been refused access for being too radicalized, according to a police official. In the wake of the Paris attacks and the downing of a jetliner from a bomb believed to have been placed in the plane's cargo hold, CNN has learned French airport police conducted searches at several companies whose staff work at the airport.
BOB BAER, Former OPERATIVE, CIA: How do you vet thousands and thousands of people, because, as we always say, they just have to get lucky once to close our aviation down and this is a real threat.
BROWN: In the U.S., an airport employee in Minneapolis, with access to commercial airplanes, traveled to Syria and died while fighting for ISIS.
BAER: That was somebody who was radicalized, and just as easily he could have slipped a bomb on the airplane.
BROWN: Today Homeland Security head, Jeh Johnson, says that oversight of airport employees has been ramped up in the last several months.
JEH JOHNSON, SECRETARY, HOMELAND SECURITY: In April, I put out a directive to tighten up airport security, specifically around those who work at airports; fewer access points, more continuous random screening
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of airport personnel and we're evaluating whether more is necessary right now.
Pamela Brown, CNN, Atlanta.
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FOSTER: Isha, one of the Stade de France attackers here in Paris worked as a bus driver. So certainly the transportation system is something they're looking at very closely, and in other countries as a result, as Pam was saying.
SESAY: Yes, and Max, of course, these attacks still front and center on the minds of everyone there in France; and the French President calling on citizens to deck their homes with the national flag during Friday's Day of Mourning.
FOSTER: That's right, and I was talking to the deputy mayor yesterday about how you get the tone right to that service, and they do want it to be a military, very formal, solemn event. They say that this feels like a war and those victims of the Paris attackers should have a military-style service. So that will be very moving to watch
tomorrow, and as you say, they have been asking people to hang flags at their homes.
Meanwhile, schools in Paris opening once again. They have extra security. They have new safety rules, so it's far from normal. Some Parisians are taking steps to protect themselves in the event of any future attacks as well. CNN's Ivan Watson has details on that.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The first children begin arriving shortly after sunrise at this City Voltaire Elementary School in Paris; they are greeted by the principal and some new security measures. To protect against a threat of terrorism, parents are urged to avoid gathering in large crowds at the entrance and staff may now search the bags of visitors to the school.
Paris may be on edge but that has done little to dampen enthusiasm from the kids going into school.
Laurence Trautet (ps), who just dropped off her 6-year-old son, is trying to stay positive.
LAURENCE TRUATET, PARENT: Yes, but I think if somebody wants really to get into the school it is very easy to get into the school. so we have to -- to keep going anyway.
WATSON: Across town, security measures far more stringent at the campus of one of France's most elite universities, the Paris Institute of Political Science, SciencesPo.
CORNELIA WOLL, VICE PRESIDENT, SCIENCES PO: So right now only students and faculty of Sciences Po are allowed in and we have canceled all events with external visitors.
WATSON: Administrators say they have raised security to the school's maximum level, to reassure students who feel vulnerable.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because the youth was definitely attacked by these terror attacks and I think that because our school is so politicized, if one school was to be -- one university was to be attacked in France it will be probably us. so it makes us scary.
WATSON: Some of the French are taking matters into their own hands. This is a first aid training session, taught by the French White Cross. Since the terror attacks on November 13th, the organization's president says he has seen a 20-percent surge in enrollment in first aid courses.
WATSON: Have you ever seen so many people -- take first aid?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, the first time.
WATSON: It's driven by a feeling of powerlessness, he tells me, by people who want to be ready in the event of another attack.
Some things in the French capital have not changed: this is still a place where tourists happily pose for photos; but it is also a city where armed soldiers now patrol the streets, a show of force during a time of fear in the City Of Light.
Ivan Watson, CNN, Paris.
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FOSTER: And I know you were talking about the memorial tomorrow, Isha; one of the things they will try to address is what France has lost, not just in terms of victims as a result of these Paris attacks, but also in terms of freedom and what France is about. It's very unusual for them to have security so much a part of their lives and to have the authorities so involve in their lives, but they're willing to accept it for now to keep people safe. But when people move on from this gradually, very slowly, they're going to want to address how their freedoms have been affected by this. I think that's something they're going to try to talk about tomorrow at the service.
SESAY: Yes, that delicate balance that must be struck. Max Foster joining us there, from Paris; thank you, Max.
Well, next on CNN NEWSROOM, parts of Belgium ease security restrictions even as the manhunt continues for Paris attack suspects.
Plus, Doctors Without Borders tears into the U.S. military after officials call a strike on an Afghanistan hospital, "avoidable."
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SESAY: Doctors Without Borders called U.S. forces "grossly negligent" after the findings of an investigation into last month's deadly airstrike on a hospital in Afghanistan. 30 people died in the October 3rd attack. A top U.S. commander revealed an aircraft mistakenly targeted the hospital in Kunduz instead of a suspected Taliban site.
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GEN. JOHN CAMPBELL, NATO & U.S. COMMANDER, AFGHANISTAN: Based upon the information learned during the investigation, the report determined that the proximate cause of this tragedy was the direct result of avoidable human error, compounded by process and equipment failures.
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SESAY: In a statement MSF says, "They U.S. version of events presented today leaves MSF with more questions than answers. It is shocking that an attack can be carried out when U.S. forces have neither eyes on a target nor access to a no-strike list and have malfunctioning communication systems."
Well, ISIS says it is behind an attack on a bus that killed members of the Tunisian Presidential Guard. 12 people died in Tuesday's explosion
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in Tunis. Authorities say they also found the body of a suspected suicide bomber. Tunisia is now under a state of emergency for 30 days and a nightly curfew is in effect in the capital. ISIS targeted the nation two other times this year, attacking a museum and a hotel. Most of the victims killed in the assaults were tourists.
Well, most of the trains in Brussels are running again after being put on lockdown late last week, but Brussels remains at the high terror alert level, as officials continue to search for the remaining suspects from Paris terror attacks. Salah Abdeslam was last seen heading for Belgium. Police also named Mohamed Abrini as a suspect on Tuesday. 21 people were detained in Belgium earlier this week, suspected of helping organize the attacks.
While France and Belgium crack down on jihadists, an Imam in Antwerp is working to keep children from becoming radicalized. CNN International Correspondent, Nima Elbagir has that story.
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NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Some people, he's saying, do bad things and think they're doing good, and when those people arrive before their god, they will say Allah I did this for you.
Imam Suleyman Van Ael is teaching his usual after-school class. Today he's asking the children whether what happened in Paris was an Islamic act. This little boy refers to a verse from the Quran. He says, "if you murder one person, it's as if you killed all humanity."
Imam Van Ael runs a Muslims values after-school program for Muslim children in Antwerp. Since the attacks in Paris, and the prominent role Belgium Jihadis were discovered to have played, these programs have taken on a new urgency.
SULEYMAN VAN AEL, IMAM, BELGIUM: Most of the children out there are exposed through many means, like, especially through social media, like, there is no child that doesn't have internet at home.
ELBAGIR: Van Ael converted to Islam 20 years ago. In the intervening two decades, Belgium has emerged as ground zero for radical Islamic force in Europe, providing, per capita, the highest number of Jihadi fighters joining the ranks of ISIS.
Children as young as nine and ten are being exposed to Jihadist thoughts and the ISIS worldviews.
Some of the children you are working with, they will have older brothers who have gone to Syria?
VAN AEL: Yes, mm-huh.
ELBAGIR: How do you combat that? How do you stop a child following in their older brother's footsteps?
VAN AEL: Okay, I think what we try to do, in general, is to make a difference between this is your brother as a brother, and these are the deeds of your brother. ELBAGIR: Van Ael setup these after-school classes to provide an alternative, he says, to the radical message the children are being exposed to.
Next month he's moving to a new facility, where he can accommodate 300 students, but it's come at a price.
ELBAGIR: You have been threatened repeatedly by ISIS?
VAN AEL: In the beginning I stopped teaching because it was -- it got to me, you know? It's not something that is easy, but at the end you say, you know, if your goal is good then it's worth going for it and whatever happens, happens. So it's too important. It's not just about my life.
ELBAGIR: The classes will continue in spite of the risks. The need here is greater than ever.
VAN AEL: If I am erased, there will be somebody else that thinks like me and will keep on going.
Nima Elbagir, CNN, Antwerp
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SESAY: Well, U.S. Presidential Candidate Donald Trump campaigned with his family this week, but the billionaire republican is not stepping back from controversial comments he has made about the behavior of some Muslims in the U.S. during the 9/11 attacks. Athena Jones reports.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I haven't done this yet; I brought my family, okay? I brought my family.
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump in South Carolina, turning his campaign into a family affair.
MALANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: Good evening, isn't he the best? He will be the best president ever. we love you.
JONES: the GOP Frontrunner slamming President Obama.
TRUMP: I call them the great divider. have you ever seen it? we've never been like this before. I am going to be a unifier.
JONES: and ramping up his rhetoric on Muslims and terrorism.
TRUMP: you know if you're Muslim, -- I know so many that are so great, they're just such good people, but we have to be smart because it's coming from this area. I mean, there is something going on. There's
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some nastiness. There's some meanness there. There's something going on in the mosques.
JONES: Suggesting he has a sixth sense when it comes to terror attacks.
TRUMP: The other thing I predicted is terrorism. A friend of mine called, who is very political, he said forget that. You're the first guy that really predicted terrorism. I said in that same book, I said this is what's going to -- because I can feel it.
JONES: Trump making waves in recent days, refusing to rule out a national database of Muslims, calling for surveillance of mosques and repeating a debunked claim that he saw thousands in New Jersey celebrating on 9/11. Last night he accused the media of quashing evidence of the celebrations.
TRUMP: I said, you know, very strongly and very correctly I said there are people over there and they were dancing in the street, and they were dancing on roof tops. So I was taking heat because, you know, the liberal media, they want to guard that. They don't want that out.
JONES: Jeb Bush blasted Trumps claim on "New Day".
JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't believe it happened. I know many Muslims that were just as angry and saddened by the attack on our country. I don't believe it. Look, Donald Trump says these things to prey on people's fears, their anger, their frustration with Washington. He is quite effective at it, but he doesn't know what he is talking about and he is not a serious leader.
JONES: Athena Jones, CNN, Washington.
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SESAY: Another night of mass protests in Chicago after video of a deadly shooting is released. up next, what the dash-cam video reveals about a controversial killing.
Plus, you are looking at live pictures from Nairobi, Kenya, where Pope Francis is getting set to celebrate his first mass since arriving in Africa. Do stay with us.
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[01:30:14] SESAY: Hello, and welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.
The headlines at this hour -- U.S. President Obama is reassuring the Americans that it is safe to travel this Thanksgiving holiday. He says the latest intelligence has not turned up any specific or credible threat. And he says the U.S. government is working overtime to keep the country safe.
Doctors Without Borders calls U.S. forces grossly negligent after the U.S. military released its findings in last month's deadly hospital attack in Afghanistan. The U.S. says the airstrikes were meant to hit a suspected Taliban site in Kunduz. 30 people were killed. MSF has called for an independent investigation.
We're seeing a second night of demonstrations in Chicago after the release of graphic video showing the death of a black teenager. A white police officer was charged with first-degree murder for shooting him 16 times during a confrontation.
Now, these protests come a year after the deadly shooting. Rosa Flores shows the video captured that night.
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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The final moments of a Chicago teen's life, down to 16 shots fired by police officer, Jason Van Dyke, 16 shots in 15 seconds, according to court records.
It all unfolds on the night of October 20th of last year, all caught on the dash cam video released by Chicago police.
At 9:57:25, Laquan McDonald is walking in the middle of the street after allegedly slashing the tire of a car. He is holding a knife in his right hand. Soon, eight police officers roll on scene.
ANITA ALVAREZ, COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY: Five seconds later, Officer Van Dyke and his partner parked their vehicle and immediately draw their weapons.
FLORES: As we pause the video, you can clearly see the two officers on the left side of the screen with guns drawn.
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FLORES: According to the police union spokesperson, at the time of the shooting, McDonald lunged at the officers.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE UNION SPOKESPERSON: Going at one of the officers at that point the officer defends himself.
FLORES: But the Cook County state's attorney says the video captures quite the opposite.
ALVAREZ: This officer went overboard. You know? And he abused his authority and I don't believe the force was necessary.
FLORES: At 9:57:33, McDonald is seen moving slightly away from the officers, but three seconds later --
ALVAREZ: Officer Van Dyke has taken at least one step towards McDonald with his weapon drawn.
FLORES: As we pause again, you can see McDonald is about 10 feet from the officers, still walking away when Van Dyke starts unloading his 9 mm pistol. McDonald's arm jerks, his body spins and then he falls to the ground. The camera angle changes taking the police officer out of frame. Two seconds after the first shot, at 9:57:38, two puffs of smoke around McDonald's body.
ALVAREZ: These puffs of smoke were later identified as clouds of debris caused by the fired bullets.
FLORES: The 16th shot is fired at 9:57:51, according to court documents. Only 21 seconds after Van Dyke arrived on scene and 15 seconds after the first shot was fired.
ALVAREZ: Van Dyke's partner reported there was a brief pause in the shots when he looked at Van Dyke and saw that he was preparing to reload his weapon.
FLORES: The officer's attorney says he was acting in self defense.
(on camera): As for Jason Van Dyke, he is being held without bond pending a judge watching that chilling video.
Rosa Flores, CNN, Chicago.
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SESAY: U.S. President Obama is sharing his thoughts about this deadly shooting. Here is what he posted on Facebook: "Like many Americans, I was deeply disturbed by the footage of the fatal shooting of 17-year- old Laquan McDonald. This Thanksgiving, I ask everybody to keep those who suffered tragic loss in our thoughts and prayers and to be thankful for the overwhelming majority of men and women in uniform who protect our communities with honor." Well, this case comes amid waves of violence that has plagued
Chicago's south side for decades. Recently, my colleague, Anderson Cooper, talked to director, Spike Lee, about his new movie set in Chicago's deadly streets. Social activist, Father Michael Pfleger, was also part of the discussion. The interview happened just days after 9-year-old Tyshawn Lee was gunned down in an alley. Police think he was targeted because of his father's gang ties.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR, A.C. 360: What do you think it is about here that makes it so bad?
[01:35:] FATHER MICHAEL PFLEGER, SOCIAL ACTIVIST: All I can say is there is a growing hopelessness that I have seen over the last number of years and as a level that I have never seen before and a sense that nothing is changing, nothing is getting better.
SPIKE LEE, MOVIE DIRECTOR: How many years have you been --
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PFLEGER: 40 years, in this building right here.
LEE: 40 years.
PFLEGER: I have seen the ups and downs over the years. When I asked a young sixth grade girl in my school, what do you want to be when you grow up, she says alive. Kids are dealing with that kind of
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COOPER: You have heard people say that to you?
PFLEGER: Oh, yeah, I had a third grader last week after this 9-year- old boy Tyshawn Lee got killed, saying walking over to the gym I heard about the young boy who got murdered, got killed, am I safe?
COOPER: I have heard of you referring to this as a self-inflicted genocide. Explain that.
LEE: Here is the thing, though -- I have been criticized for this but I don't care. I am all for "Black Lives Matter," "I can't breathe," "Don't shoot." And I'm not speaking on behalf of African-Americans. This is my own belief, Anderson. I'm with that. But we cannot be out there going bam, bam, yeah, yeah, we're there, and then when it comes to young brothers killing themselves, then mums the word. No one is saying nothing. You can't -- it's got to be both.
COOPER: It's not enough to focus on "Black Lives Matter" movement, on --
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COOPER: -- on police brutality.
LEE: But you can't ignore, but you can't ignore that we are killing ourselves, too. And that is what this film addresses. We can't ignore that.
COOPER: So how do you address that? You reach people --
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PFLEGER: We have to fight the killing of our children, whether it is a racist cop, whether it is a George Zimmerman vigilante, or whether it is black-on-black crime.
LEE: It doesn't matter.
PFLEGER: Murder is wrong, killing is wrong, no matter whose hand it is and the race of the hand it is. So we just try to fight that from that standpoint, that whenever -- so we fight against racial profiling, and police brutality, but I also want when a child is killed in this city, and they have no leads we put up rewards like we do with Tyshawn Lee.
COOPER: But people don't always come forward to talk about it.
PFLEGER: Absolutely. They don't, and that is a problem.
LEE: That's a fact.
PFLEGER: And I get the fear element, but some place we have to understand conscience has to Trump fear. COOPER: You know, it used to be a switch was somebody who committed a
crime and then pointed the finger at somebody else in order to get a lesser sentence. It's now has gotten into the idea of anybody who talks to police. Anybody who has witnessed a crime and talks to police about what they saw gets that label. And that label is -- that is a -- I mean, that is a bad word in communities throughout America. Nobody wants to be labeled a snitch.
PFLEGER: Yeah, because you feel you're putting yourself in danger, you're labeled by certain groups in the community. And also, but -- you can't deny from this the broken bridge between law enforcement and the community. It's bad.
LEE: They don't trust them. People don't trust the police.
PFLEGER: Not at all. And so if they do say something and say I'll do this anonymously, and then their name is put out there on the street that they said this, so now there is just a lack of trust for the police. And we can't walk away from that. That is real. Work needs to be done on both sides but we have to understand that bridge is broken.
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[01:39:01] SESAY: Great conversation there.
We're going to take a quick break. Coming up, Pope Francis is getting set to celebrate his first mass since arriving in Africa. These are live pictures from Nairobi, Kenya. We'll have a live report after the break.
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SESAY: Welcome back, everyone. Pope Francis is about 30 minutes away from celebrating mass in Kenya at the University of Nairobi. Let's bring in some live pictures now so you can take in the sights and the sounds. A live look at the campus right now where the crowds have gathered. There are expectations of up to a million people attending this mass. Kenya with a large Catholic population. In fact, Africa is a place where the religion is growing the fastest. This is the pope's first trip to Africa and there is so much excitement celebrating this visit, especially in Kenya. This mass that is about to get under way at the University of Nairobi will have chants and prayers held in different languages. And it will be a marvelous affair. Incredible scenes expected.
Let's bring in CNN's Robyn Kriel who is there on the scene.
And Robyn, just give us a flavor of what is happening, extraordinary numbers expected to attend this mass. ROBYN KRIEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Extraordinary indeed. We had to
fight to get in through what I could only imagine was thousands of people this morning. People kept inside, the doors not opening yet. And I have to say Pope Francis arrived in his pope-mobile just a short while ago. He drove up there towards the podium where he will be addressing the Kenyan crowd here at the university. Just tremendous excitement here. So many people talking about how excited they are to see the pope. What it means for the country, what it means for Kenya, that a world leader of his stature, and indeed, a world leader teaching kindness and peace here when the world is at war with terror.
SESAY: And, Robyn, we're pointing out this Thursday has been declared a national public holiday. And in contrast to President Obama's trip to Kenya, this time around, the government of Kenya urging people to come out to welcome the pope as warmly as possible.
[01:45:24] KRIEL: Yes, during President Obama's visit, the Kenyans were told to simply stay away, please stay at home and give support to the U.S. president with Kenyan ties. You see such an electrifying crowd here and such an electric atmosphere. The pope took a Honda, a simple black vehicle from the airport yesterday. He preaches a lot about austerity. He preaches a lot about being a man of the people, of going to the areas of one's diocese to reach everybody. And he is especially focused on poverty of which there are so many poor people here in Kenya. Today, the sermon will be about the youth. Initially, he was not going to make Kenya part of his tour until he heard about the students who had been killed. According to the bishop, the pope was so moved by that story of non-Muslims being gunned down at a university in a most horrific way that he decided he wanted to come to Kenya and preach. And he will be talking to members of the Muslim community, the Hindu community. And on his third leg of the trip, he will visit a mosque at a refugee camp. He is really somebody who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.
And I may also add it has been raining nonstop since the pontiff touched down, and in Africa, rain is often a sign of a blessing.
SESAY: Yes, it certainly is. And stirring scenes there of the crowds that have turned out for this mass that will get under way shortly.
But, Robyn, let me ask you this. In addition to the message of tolerance and trying to bridge religious divide, the pope also touched on the issue of corruption in remarks he made Wednesday. Thinly veiled remarks he made on corruption. How are those going over with the people of Kenya?
KRIEL: They are sick of corruption. The papers are full of fat cats lining their pockets. And he has been just as critical of corruption. In his own organization, the Vatican, and forthcoming with the measures of austerity. That is why you see him not driving fancy cars and carrying his own briefcase, and taking airplanes. That is part of his mission that you must live a humble life, if you are a man of God or a woman of god. He has been known to say that over and over again. I think it sends a clear message. A lot of Kenyans thought it was really amazing that he took just a simple Honda car yesterday. Kenyans didn't notice it was him until they saw his little face waving at them from the back of the window.
SESAY: Yes, very, very striking images.
Robyn Kriel, joining us there from the University of Nairobi.
Robyn, we appreciate it. The mass will get under way in moments. But, Robyn, we appreciate you setting the scene for us.
Robyn Kriel, in Nairobi, Kenya, thank you.
And next on CNN NEWSROOM live from L.A., she thought about calling it quits. Good thing pop singer, Adele, did not. Turns out, she has it all with her new album. We'll explain.
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SESAY: Hello, everyone. It took just three days for British pop singer, Adele, to shatter sales records. In that time, she saw nearly 2.5 million copies of her new album, "25," bumping the boy band from the top spot.
Samuel Burke explains one likely reason so many people are buying the record rather than streaming it.
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SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The week is not even over yet and Adele is already saying hello to the biggest first week album sales in all of history.
The powerful lyrics and soaring vocals for the album's first song are propelling her third studio album "25," her age when writing these songs, to hits these record-breaking heights.
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BURKE: Now, forecast to sale nearly three million albums in the U.S. alone, Adele is easily saying bye, bye, bye to the previous fastest selling record-holders.
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BURKE: And the album "No Strings Attached," which sold 2.4 million 15 years ago, the record boss is no doubt surprised, but likely nobody more stunned than the singer herself.
Adele considered walking away from the spotlight after her last record, "21," which sold more than 11 million copies. Fearing she would never repeat her acclaim, she thought it may be better to leave it alone on a high note.
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ADELE, SINGER: This one is me kind of on my knees really
BURKE: "21" was a break-up album, the singer says. She calls 25 a make-up record. "I'm making up with myself, making up for lost time, making up with everything I ever did and never did."
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BURKE: And the phenomenal album sales are easily making up for any money Adele would have received from streaming music services like Spotify. Taking Taylor Swift's game plan one step further, Adele also kept the new music off of Apple Music, a strategy that's clearly driving people to buy the album.
[01:55:19]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact that Adele is able to reject streaming places her in the 1 percent of the 1 percent of the music industry. It has become its own music industry status symbol.
BURKE: Adele doesn't just do sad songs. She can also make us laugh.
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BURKE: Joining in with a group of Adele impersonators on the BBC.
The world watched her grow, singing her way from "19" to "21," and now "25" is taking her right into the record books.
Samuel Burke --
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SESAY: What an incredible talent. I'm simply in awe.
You are watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.
I want to show more live pictures from Nairobi, Kenya, where Pope Francis is about to celebrate mass.
Rosemary Church and Errol Barnett will have much more on that and all the day's news coming up after the break.
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