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European Security Agencies Warn UK is ISIS's Next Target; Another Police Shooting Caught on Tape. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired December 6, 2015 - 06:30 ET
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[06:30:00] PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: But of course, whether or not there are other people who may have controlled him and manipulated him to carry out these attacks, Victor.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Phil, the British parliament recently voted in just the past few days to expand their air strikes beyond Iraq now into Syria. Do officials believe there is some direct link between the attack we saw in that underground station and that vote?
BLACK: Well, they haven't commented on this publicly, but this appears to be the coincidence and perhaps the motivation for treating this as a terrorist incident. Witnesses, according to a widespread British media reports said the man said during his attacks that this was for Syria. And it's important, because this comes just days after British parliament voted to expand its military action against ISIS. It has been striking ISIS in Iraq for some time, just in the last week it voted to do so in Syria as well. Those air strikes have been taking place. The British government has argued that expanding action against ISIS in Syria would not make it a greater terrorism target, because the intelligence assessment here is that Britain it already at the very top level of targets that ISIS would aspire to hit. The critics have argued here, critics who didn't want Britain to bomb ISIS in Syria in this way, have fear that could be some sort of blowback, of which perhaps this could be an example of.
BLACKWELL: All right, Phil Black for us in London. Phil, thank you.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And this comes as European security agencies warn that the U.K. is ISIS next target. Officials say it's not clear how eminent the threat is, nor if there is a specific target, but it's forced London police to announce a major shift in their terror response tactics. Here is Erin McLaughlin.
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The scenario is eerie similar to the Paris attack. Terrorists storm a building in London, guns blazing. You see police enter, move past the injured and the dead in pursuit of the threat. The training exercise meant to get London's police ready for a potential terrorist strike and it also illustrates a shift in policy following shooting attacks in India and in France.
PATRICIA GALLAN, LONDON METROPOLITAN POLICE: One of the things in terms of our landing from Paris is, is to confirm to us that the training we have been doing post Mumbai, 2008, is a right way to go forward.
MCLAUGHLIN: In years past, British officers tried to negotiate, but police say recent terrorist attacks show there is little room for negotiation.
(on camera): What specifically did you see in Mumbai, in Paris that would spark or cause that shift in policy?
GALLAN: Well, I think we saw that the terrorists were willing to kill people and to do it quickly.
MCLAUGHLIN: Police say they will adjust the approach based on the situation, so it is possible they could choose to negotiate. They also acknowledge that the tactic of going forward means that initially the injured will be left behind.
GALLAN: If we didn't move forward, we would still be at risk from the terrorists, so we will still at the earliest opportunity and as quickly as possible get aid, medical attention to these people, but we will do it when it's safe to do so for everyone.
MCLAUGHLIN: Police have been practicing to move forward since 2008 when gunmen stormed a series of locations, including a hotel, a train station and a Jewish center in Mumbai, India. Police say they now want the public to know about the tactic. Part of a campaign to assuage people's fears post Paris that includes more armed officers and vehicles out on the streets. Typically, officers in the United Kingdom are unarmed.
GALLAN: The threat level has remained the same in the capital city as elsewhere in the country and it's about reassurance. And it's also we realize that Paris isn't very far from London.
MCLAUGHLIN: And people are afraid that what played out in Paris, could happen here. London's police want the public to know they are ready and moving forward. Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.
BLACKWELL: Let's bring back now Sajjan Gohel, international security director of the Asia Pacific Foundation and terrorism expert. So, Jean, I want to start with something we heard from Phil Black about the consideration of expanding these air strikes into Syria and if that would elevate the possibility of more attacks inside the U.K. Are we seeing that flush out from what we saw at that London underground station? Is that a consideration?
SAJJAN GOHEL, INTERNATIONAL SECURITY DIRECTOR, ASIA PACIFIC FOUNDATION: Well, certainly it can't be ruled out, Victor. I think as Phil Black mentioned that there had been already a number of plots in the U.K., directed and inspired by ISIS prior to the vote in parliament endorsing air strikes in Syria, but ISIS will use the vote now to carry out more plots, to use it as an excuse to encourage their followers to try and create havoc, to create more problems in the buildup to Christmas, because this is a period that is warning the authorities that something like this could spot more inspired plots.
BLACKWELL: So, you know, I want to ask you about the declaration of a terror incident. It happened so quickly. We saw the attack in San Bernardino on Wednesday. It wasn't until Friday that the FBI and the U.S. determined that their investigation would now be on terror.
Almost immediately, despite the investigation of him having said reportedly this is for Syria, this was determined a terror incident. Phil Black just told us that is something they typically don't do. Why the discrepancy here between the two declarations? Is it - is it a different footing there in the UK? Explain that for us, if you can.
GOHEL: It's an interesting question you raise. It is, ultimately, a different system, a different analysis of events. The U.K. is far more prepared, I would say, for an imminent plot that could occur. Intelligence has suggested that something could be taking place by ISIS. Whereas, in the United States, I believe after the Paris attacks, President Obama said that there was no intelligence suggesting that a plot in the U.S. was imminent. San Bernardino was more spontaneous, sporadic. So, there is a different process in understanding how terrorism is planned. And also even how to engage with terrorists in the sense that the British police use tasers to take out the suspect with a knife at the train station.
BLACKWELL: All right, Sajjan, I think we are having a bit of a technical difficulty there, but we've got your point there. We will continue to have this conversation throughout the morning. Sajjan Gohel, thank you so much. Christi.
PAUL: Well, police fatally shoot a suspected bank robber. It's all caught on tape. You are going to see it play out with a warning, it is disturbing. We will give you a heads-up, of course.
Plus, U2 prepares for their first performance in Paris since those terror attacks. In a CNN exclusive, Fareed Zakaria sits down with Bono and The Edge in an exclusive interview.
PAUL: Well, another police shooting captured on video and posted on social media. And please, we want to give you a heads-up here because these are disturbing images and I don't want you to be caught off- guard.
BLACKWELL: Yeah, it is pretty graphic. It's an Instagram video. It shows a shirtless man confronted by officers in Miami Beach. He takes a step forward and then moments later, you see it there, gunshots. He screams and falls to the ground. CNN's Alina Machado has the full story.
ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Victor and Christi, the video is no doubt disturbing. And it captures the tail end of a confrontation a witness says lasted several minutes before it turned deadly. Miami Beach police shooting a man they say tried unsuccessfully to rob a bank and then ran to a nearby barber shop, grabbed a straight-edged razor and came out threatening them.
CHIEF DANIEL OATES, MIAMI BEACH POLICE: He was challenged by the officers in the street and, at some point during that confrontation, he did raise his hand with the straight aged razor in it and he was shot.
MACHADO: While Chief Oates stopped short of saying the man was an imminent threat to the officers he emphasized that the man raised the weapon when the shots were fired. Marcellu Johnson was on his way to work when he saw the confrontation Saturday morning and started recording the now viral video. He says the man seemed agitated.
MARCELLUS JOHNSON, WITNESS: He came outside. He was basically yelling, the gestures out to the different - to the police officers and officers were, you know, like, giving him directions, please, put down the weapon, you know, calm down, we are on your side, we are trying to help you. And that lasted for about five minutes. When he started moving forward towards them in the video, you can see them backing up a little bit and he puts his hand on the actual police car. I think at that moment they found that was a clear path to at least shoot him.
MACHADO: Miami Beach police say one officer fired two shots killing the man. They say this was the razor he was holding and if you look closely at the video, you can see him holding an object in his right hand moments before you hear the gunfire.
Earlier in the morning, the FBI says the man had walked into a nearby bank and handed a teller a note saying, quote, "Give me all of your 50s, hundreds and 20s, please. I have a bomb so please be careful." Turned out he didn't have a bomb and he left without any money.
MACHADO: Police have not yet released the identity of the man who was killed. We have learned the police officer who fired his gun is a six-year veteran. We have also learned that there is police body camera video of the shooting, but that video is not being released for now. Victor and Christi.
PAUL: Alina Machado, thank you so much.
BLACKWELL: So, coming up next hour, we are going to take a closer look at the Baltimore police trial over the death of Freddie Gray. The first officer is being tried. He is back in court on Monday. We will have legal analysis on the case thus far.
PAUL: Also, a big U2 concert being held tonight in Paris in defiance of terrorism, Bono sits down with CNN for an exclusive preview.
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BONO: We are very determined to get back this as quick as we can. Paris is a very romantic city. You know, the essence of romance is defiance.
BLACKWELL: Some in Paris are still on edge after the terror attacks that killed 130 people. One of the planners is still on the run more than three weeks later, and released this week pictures of two new suspects, men who may have helped wire money to the attackers and their families. The city is slowly getting back on its feet, yes. One of the cafes that was bombed is open again, and one of the bands forced to cancel their show after the attack, U2, is set to play again. They are taking to the stage tonight in Paris. CNN's Fareed Zakaria talked to U2 and stars Bono - Bono? Did I say Bono on television, I apologize for that. Bono and The Edge. An exclusive interview. That one always gets me. My apologies.
ZAKARIA: Did you think about even playing the next day? Was it even possible?
BONO, U2: We, of course, hoped we can play the next day. But then it dawned on us just how serious it was. We had to just give up on that.
THE EDGE, U2: We actually - we didn't have a choice because within a few hours of the problem starting, we were given word by the city that they were shutting down all events. So, it wasn't that we had to ...
BONO: It wasn't even our decision.
THE EDGE: No.
BONO: But we were very determined to get back there as quick as we can. Paris is a very romantic city. And, you know, the essence of romance is defiance. And defiant joy, we think is the mark of our band and of rock and roll. They're a death cult. We're a life cult, life force. You know, as The Edge was saying, they are celebrating all things we love, food, soccer. They're trying to destroy those things. They don't like women. What else is there? You know what I mean.
ZAKARIA: This was an attack on the kind of life you guys represent, right? I mean it's an attack on rock music, the single largest place where the people died was a rock concert.
THE EDGE: It seemed like the target was culture and every kind of expression of the best of humanity. Great, you know, music, restaurants, French food, everything that was -- that we hold dear seemed to be the target.
And, of course, France is also - it's the birth of the enlightenment movement, which gave birth to America. It's like the place where the modern Western world was born. So, I think the thing that we have to hold onto now in the aftermath is that we are not wrong. The instinct to start doubting these values and these ideas - it's like we're right. We're right. And that's why we're so determined to get back to Paris as soon as we can.
BLACKWELL: Hear much more from Bono and The Edge. The entire interview coming up at 10:00 Eastern this morning on Fareed Zakaria's "GPS."
PAUL: CNN contributor Stefan De Vries joining us now from Paris. Stefan, can you help us, I want to ask you about the security at the event tonight. Because obviously as they were talking, it's something to think about. But help us understand what is the environment in Paris right now? How have they healed? We know that some of these cafes still aren't even open yet. Yes?
STEFAN DE VRIES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Only one cafe actually opened last Friday and I was there. It was really, really crowded. People were there to show their sympathy for the victims of the attack, but also to show that basically they would never see to terrorism. I spoke to a lot of clients, and actually they were still afraid because it's very strange when you walk around in this neighborhood in the 11th district of Paris and you see a lot of these restaurants are still closed, flowers are still on the streets even three weeks later, candles are still burning to keep the memories alive. I was out last night and Saturday. It was pretty crowded, but it is much quieter than usual. December is a very festive month. But it seems that Parisians prefer to stay inside with their families instead of going out. Theaters, music venues, hotels, they are all complaining about a huge lack of business because of the attacks. So it has a serious impact, not only, of course, on the feelings of the people from Paris, but also on the economy of the city.
PAUL: As we talk about it, we look forward to this concert with U2 tonight. What kind of security will be there? Because they are coming out and they spoke so eloquently about coming out in defiant joy, will there be quite that same crowd to be defiant with them?
DE VRIES: I hope for the band that there is a huge crowd. It's actually -- the concert is taking place in the largest indoor venue of Paris, 20,000 people can come inside the building. Of course, security measures have been stepped up already since January, since the "Charlie Hebdo" attacks. They are far more serious now, and I'm sure tonight there will be strict control by the police, probably the army will patrol around the venue, which is in the south of Paris. Yeah, it's a major risk, but the authorities think that they can handle this risk. Otherwise, they would not agree, of course, to let U2 give the concert tonight and tomorrow night as well, by the way.
PAUL: Stefan De Vries, we thank you very much for helping us understand what is going on there.
DE VRIES: You're welcome. PAUL: Take care.
And as we prepare to listen to the president's address on terrorism tonight, the big question is -- is there anything he can say to really assure Americans that they are safe? A presidential historian is weighing in on that.
BLACKWELL: First, though, this week's culinary journey takes us to India, to meet a chef who travels to his hometown to learn a recipe of a traditional dish. Take a look at what he found.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's early morning in Calcutta. The city on the banks of the holy river wakes up to a new day. This branch of the Ganges is an essential life line for the people of West Bengal. Its abundant waters provide one of the region's main food staples -- fish.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Bengal, there is a saying, if you're not a fish eater here, you're not a Bengali. Fish is the soul. You can't take the city away from the food. But for me, it's my food (inaudible). It's my city! That's why I've become a chef. The chef I've become, I'm proud (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bangkok based chef Gagan Anand (ph) has traveled back to the streets of his home city on a journey of discovery.
He is here to learn about a traditional Bengali dish (inaudible) named after its two main ingredients -- green coconut and prunes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This dish for me is a classic example of how diverse a recipe could be, how easy it is to cook, yet so complex in taste.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gagan will enlist the help of a local chef to learn the recipe but, first, he has to gather the ingredients, starting with prunes. Leck (ph) fish market is no place for the faint-hearted but offers the best of the daily catch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the night of people arguing, buying. This is what I love about Calcutta. That's why I love it. (inaudible), nothing has changed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fish mongers use a traditional curved blade called boti (ph), which has been used in Bengal for centuries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The weight of the blade is so heavy, you can't carry it, you have to sit it and just keep cutting it. These things you will only get in a market in Calcutta, you won't get in any other market in India.
BLACKWELL: Watch the full show at cnn.com/journeys. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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OBAMA: We are strong and we are resilient and we will not be terrorized.
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BLACKWELL: President Obama set to address the nation tonight to detail his plan to fight terrorism. This comes just days after the deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.
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OBAMA: It is entirely possible that these two attackers were radicalized