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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: Tonight, banned but defiant, Sepp Blatter says he feels sorry but only for himself after FIFA suspends him for eight years.
Plus, this terrifying moment, a landslide buries buildings and possibly more than 80 people in China.
In Paris, relief after passengers return home after a fake bomb is discovered on their plane. And how confusion ruled the day as this Miss
Universe contestant is forced to give up the crown.
Hello I'm Max Foster in for Hala Gorani, live from CNN London, this is "The World Right Now."
Well he's been the helm of world football for almost two decades but now Sepp Blatter is facing an eight-year ban from the sport. The 59-year-old
FIFA President didn't take his suspension lying down though. At a news conference, he issued an apology but not for his actions.
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SEPP BLATTER, FIFA PRESIDENT: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I am still somewhere a punching ball, that I'm sorry that I'm as president of FIFA
this punching ball. And I'm sorry for football. I'm sorry for the Federation Internationale de Football Association.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Well, European football Chief Michel Platini was also given an eight-year ban, FIFA's ethics committee says Blatter and Platini abused their
positions when Blatter paid Platini $2 million but the two were cleared of bribery and corruption allegations. For the latest reactions, let's turn
now to World Sports' Don Riddell, he joins us from CNN's Center. Is this the end of the road then for Blatter?
DON RIDDELL, WORLD SPORTS HOST: Well it looks like doesn't it Max. When you look at how he appeared today he's starting to look very much like a
man on the outside. I mean as you said earlier he's been in charge of FIFA for almost 20 years. He's been at football's world governing body for 40
years, pretty much half his life and he's always cut a very slick, suave sophisticated figure and there he was with a bandage on his face and
looking unshaven and generally looking pretty disheveled.
And I think, you know, this news today, while it's not a major surprise to those who's been following the FIFA scandal for really most of this year.
While still practical terms it doesn't mean very much. They made a stunning (ph) down in February, this means that he can't go out on his own
terms and he really is being kind of bungled out the side door and he's ending his days at FIFA in absolutely humiliation.
Of course he is going to appeal and we'll see where that goes, but it's beginning to look as though this man is done with world football for good
FOSTER: So, in terms of the next president, what are we looking at now?
RIDDELL: Well, the other interesting thing today was going to be seeing what happened to Michel Platini. He has long being considered the favorite
to succeed Sepp Blatter when he stepped down but that is getting harder and harder for him now. He like Blatter has been suspended for the last 90
He's also now banned for eight years. He is still desperate trying to resurrect his campaign. He says he will also appeal to FIFA, the Court of
Arbitration of Sport, even the civil courts if necessary. But he's running out of time.
The election is February the 26th. The names have to be confirmed one month before that, January 26th. So, he's got barely a month over the
holiday period in which to salvage his reputation and restore his credibility, get himself back in the running. I think that's going to be
very, very unlikely. So we're left with a list of five names which hopefully we can bring up on the screen and we can run through who they
They are all FIFA insiders, football insiders, we've got Prince Ali of Jordan who of course has already run, he stood against Blatter earlier this
year. Jerome Champagne, a former Blatter ally. Gianni Infantino of UEFA, he is the General Secretary, he has been promoted to the running because
his boss Michel Platini has fallen by the wayside. We've got Sheikh Salman. bin Ebrahim Al khalifa, the Asian Football Confederation President
and also Tokyo Sexwale of South Africa.
I would say looking at those names and Sheikh Salman is the most likely to succeed, he's certainly the most powerful man among those candidates. But
FIFA has a long, long way to go if it's going to restore its credibility, despite the actions of his ethics committee today.
FOSTER. Don, thank you. We can speak to one of those candidates now, Tokyo Sexwale, South Africa's name on the list there of five that Don was
just talking about, he joins me on the line from Johannesburg.
[15:05:06] Thank you for joining us Mr. Sexwale. What was your first -- first of all your reaction to today's performance by Sepp Blatter?
TOKYO SEXWALE, FIFA PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, thanks for participating in your program. I think these are very difficult times for FIFA, for the
FIFA football fraternity. Especially during this time when we're faced with a seasonal good will, the birth of Christ is just around the corner to
be celebrated as well at the end of the year.
But it's not time to celebrate inside FIFA. Football is heartbroken and I really feel for the two gentlemen, Mr. Sepp Blatter and Mr. Platini, these
are people I've been working with for quite some time, and they have done an incredible amount of good work for FIFA. I hope they will be able to
clear their name. I know they are trying to fight out there -- in order to restore their name.
But the most important thing for us is the restoration of the credibility and integrity and the good name as well as the brand of FIFA, which have
been severely, severely damaged by all of these allegations over the last few months. And the key thing for us to be forward looking towards
February, where I hope a credible open election will take place so that we can put all of these things behind us and begin to restore the credibility
of this brand of FIFA, win back the trust of the players, officials, the spectator, the administrators, the FIFA headquarters, the fans and the
world at large.
So, FIFA is confronted with a crisis. I feel for these gentlemen because I come from a culture where Nelson Mandela has said, it would be cruel to
celebrate the misfortune of any person. I hope they'll find peace in themselves and look around and see where they could have gone wrong but for
us and the family of FIFA, it is time to be forward looking and to have a general strategy to restore the credibility of this organization.
FOSTER: There are those suggesting that it's more than severely damaged FIFA. It needs to be liquidated and the whole sport needs to consider a
new authority starting from scratch. Would you support that idea? And suggest yourself as a candidate for the head of a new organization, which
isn't FIFA, which is too broken now?
SEXWALE: Well, football is not broken. Football is still being played.
FOSTER: Football is not broken but FIFA arguably is.
SEXWALE: Yeah, we'll just have the World Cup in -- of clubs in Tokyo and the confederation around this football did very well. Football is not
broken but it is heartbroken. I think it would be taking it too far to say that FIFA should be liquidated, certainly and I can understand why people
Of course more than 50 of the FIFA leaders have now in different stages of, others on the run, others are hiding, others suspended, other arrested.
One can understand why some of the people can (inaudible) but certainly we can't talk about the liquidation of FIFA. I think FIFA required men (ph)
but leadership men and women who can be able to standup to restore its image and to make sure that good governance take the best international
practice in terms of good principles as found in different organizations around the world, as well as driven by democratic norms and transparency
all the time.
Those other things -- that led to people doing certain things, in far away corners where you couldn't see them. However, in rebuilding FIFA there
will be a need for serious commitment and for openness to bring in new people, fresh air and -- so that again I said to restore FIFA, FIFA's name
and we bear the trust as well as the confidence of the world at large.
FOSTER: I know you've spoken of the needs for an African to lead FIFA now as well. How do you think that will help in the wider crisis though of
restoring that trust you've been talking about?
[15:10:05] SEXWALE: Well, FIFA, you know, we talked about the score in football. The score in terms of a FIFA president is 111 years, it was
zero, I give Africa as well as Asia. So I think it's about time that leadership in terms of FIFA should also emanate from other continents, if
it's Africa, well that would be good.
But it should not be Africa for the sake of being an African, being black of color, but bringing skills, of bringing expertise, acumen. This is
where the World Cup was run in South Africa and so on. We understand football and the needs of people outside there from players to coaches to
how to run a league and so on and including the World Cup.
So, FIFA has got the I, the acronym which stands for international. There's a need for us to elevate that so that it is an international
organization, not a continental one. So, I think it makes sense and in terms of FIFA's rules of fair play, it makes sense for fair play on the
field, off the field for other people to come forward, not necessarily because we're an African or an Asian, but because you can provide good
leadership and good skills.
SEXWALE: And few mistakes. For me, yes, of course, if the leadership comes from Africa, that would be good.
SEXWALE: But I think all in all, it needs a good club (ph) of leaders working together to solve the problems of football.
FOSTER: Tokyo Sexwale, thank you very much indeed for your time this evening.
Still to come, an audience shocked, the contestant disappointed and an embarrassed host apologizing as he crowns the wrong winner. The most
talked about Miss Universe pageant in memory.
And later, one U.S. presidential candidate tells CNN he's suspending his campaign. Hear from Lindsey Graham next, all that and much more when the
"World Right Now" continues.
Police has just released the name and photograph of the driver they say deliberately ran down pedestrians on the Las Vegas strip. Prosecutors say
they'll charge 24-year-old Lakisha Holloway with murder and more charges including attempted murder, could follow authority say they don't
understand why she did it.
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JOE LOMBARDO, LAS VEGAS POLICE SHERIFF: But we are having difficulty obtaining her background. She is believed to be from the Oregon area and
we are going to do the best we can throughout the day to determine her background. In light of that and not having those unknowns we're not 100
percent ruling out the possibility of terrorism.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: While at least one person was killed and 30 others were injured, she drove down the sidewalk outside several major resorts. Police say
Holloway 3 year-old daughter was in the car but made it out unharmed.
While the incident was unfolding on the Las Vegas strip, a television event was being broadcast live from one of the hotels nearby. But Sunday's Miss
Universe pageant is grabbing headlines for very different reason. Boris Sanchez has more on an incredibly awkward live T.V. moment.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For a brief moment Sunday night, Miss Colombia celebrated being crowned Miss Universe but her reign lasted only a
STEVE HARVEY, MISS UNIVERSE 2015 HOST: I have to apologize, the first runner up is Colombia. Miss Universe 2015 is Philippines.
SANCHEZ: Miss Universe 2015 host Steve Harvey misreading his cue cards and naming the wrong contestant as the winner. The two women awkwardly
standing at the end of the stage paralyzed by the snafu.
HARVEY: This is exactly what's on the card. I will take responsibility for this. It was my mistake. It was on the card.
SANCHEZ: Miss Colombia stripped of her crown. Stunned viewers watching as Miss Universe 2014 placed it on the head of winner Miss Philippines. The
show abruptly cut into credits. Some of the other judges taking the social media. Judge Niecy Nash twitting this video.
NIECY NASH, MISS UNIVERSE 2015 JUDGE: Oh my God, this is crazy right now. It's pandemonium in here.
SANCHEZ: Harvey himself twitting after the show, saying "I'd like to apologize wholeheartedly to Miss Colombia and Miss Philippines for my huge
mistake. I feel terrible." Even posting a picture with Miss Philippines backstage saying he was able to apologize to her and Miss Colombia
personally who tearfully also spoke out after the show.
PAULINA VEGA, MISS COLUMBIA 2015: Everything happens for a reason so I'm happy.
SANCHEZ: But the newly crowned Miss Universe perfectly summing up the shocking turn of events.
PIA WURTZBACH, MISS UNIVERSE 2015: It's a very nontraditional crowning isn't it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
WURTZBACH: Very 2015.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: Well that was Boris Sanchez reporting there and later in the show I'll speak to the host and National Director of the Miss Great Britain
pageant, what she makes of the mistake, also interesting things to say.
Now the poll of Republican candidates for president has narrowed by one after Lindsey Graham announced he's ending his campaign. U.S. Senator from
South Carolina says he never managed to get momentum in his race. In fact in some polls he failed to register even 1 percent. His rivals have been
wishing him well and here's what Graham had to say to CNN in an exclusive interview.
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LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, my campaign, I will suspend my campaign, I'm going to suspend my desire to help the country.
I'll probably go back to Iraq and Afghanistan and get another update, 36 trips has informed me. But the one thing I feel really good about is I did
it with a smile on my face and talked about things that are important to me and somebody better fix one day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: Well let's hear more about this latest turn of event (ph) with CNN Political Analyst Josh Rogin, he joins us now from Washington. Thanks for
joining us Josh, how does this leave the rest of the race as it is now then?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well Max, there was always very little chance that Senator Lindsey Graham would win the nomination for president.
And, as the poll numbers never really climbed for him his impact on the race in terms of polls is minimal but what we can expect is that the
enormous amount of support that Graham has accumulated in his home State of South Carolina will go to one candidate or another.
So in leaving the race, Graham has actually put himself in the position to be something of a power broker in South Carolina, which of course is a
crucial state in the early primaries.
FOSTER: And, obviously the front-runner on that side of the race is Donald Trump but on other side of the race, the front-runner is Hillary Clinton,
they're the two big names really that break out of the U.S. in terms of this presidential race.
[15:20:10] And they've been arguing, is that how I could put it?
ROGIN: Yeah. Well Hillary Clinton started the latest brawl with Donald Trump in the debate when she that ISIS was using videos of Donald Trump in
its propaganda and that Clinton campaign was forced to walk back those comments when they couldn't produce those videos and Donald Trump pounced
on those comments calling Hillary Clinton a liar.
So, this does two things, one it sort of raises the issue of whether or not Donald Trump is really fueling recruitment of ISIS and there's some
evidence that he is but not quite as much evidence as Hilary Clinton claim. It also helps Trump because it puts him in sort of a one on one media
battle with Clinton which makes him seem like more of a front-runner. That's exactly the kind of position he wants to be in, battling the
Democratic nominee as if it were a general election rather than battling his primary opponents.
FOSTER: OK. And much more of this of course over the coming months. Josh, thank you very much indeed.
This is the "World Right Now". Coming up, Spain's election results are in but no one won a clear majority there. How that uncertainty is hitting the
Investors in Spain are clearly rattled by all the uncertainty left behind by Sunday's national election. Here's how the IBEX 35 index finished on
Monday. Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy's conservative popularity also popular party won the most seats but lost its majority and there are doubts
it will be able to find a coalition partner at all. CNN's Diana Magnay has more on all of this.
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DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A messy results to Sunday's poll but one thing is clear, a resounding "No" to the status quo. The two main parties
that held power in succession for the last three decades must now scramble for the backing of the two new kids on the block.
[15:25:06] The anti-austerity Podemos Party and the pro-business liberal party Ciudadanos and the newcomers adamant they won't make it easy for
PABLO IGLESIAS, PODEMOS PARTY (through translation): So that there's no doubt about it, neither actively nor passively will Podemos allow the
People's Party to govern.
MAGNAY: It's up to Mariano Rajoy, Spain's Prime Minister to try to form a coalition government. His conservative People's Party won more seats than
the rest, but with just under 29 percent of the vote it's still the worst ever results.
Even with the backing of their closest political allies Ciudadanos, they won't have the seats they need to form a majority. It's possible the
socialists could ally with Podemos, not two years old and already with 20 percent of the vote, but they don't see eye to eye either and negotiations
will be tough. And then you have the Catalonia factor, a region which has long campaigned for independence, home of Ciudadanos and where Podemos has
made the strongest gains.
ANGEL TALAVERA, ECONOMIST, OXFORD ECONOMICS: My take is that, given the confrontation that we have now in Catalonia, Vigo and Catalan and the rest
of Spain, I'm guessing that the Catalan parties are probably going to say no to any government. But there will be I think a potential scenario where
they maybe allow the socialists to rule because they thing that maybe alternative for the popular party is worse.
MAGNAY: Markets fell on Monday and uncertain few weeks ahead with a possibility of new elections if coalition talks fail. Spaniards happy to
see an end to the two-party rule of the past, worried though what this political fragmentation means for the future.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translation): It's bad. On the one hand it's good there are more options but on the other hand it's bad because it's
going to be harder to govern, and will probably end up with more elections. We'll have to vote again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): Well, I see it as a change and we've been governed for many years by two majority parties and a new party
has joined them and politics, you have to reach deals, so yes I think it's beneficial. Now let's see what happens.
MAGNAY: Thanks to Mr. Rajoy's tough austerity measures, the Spanish economy is looking at 3 percent growth this year but unemployment is still
high, 21 percent overall, youth unemployment around 46 percent. That's a difficult mandate for even the most stable of parties and it's hard to
imagine any possible coalition as anything other than fragile.
Diana Magnay, CNN, London.
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FOSTER: Obviously it's the "World Right Now". Coming up next, an eight- year ban from football but he's not going down without a fight. We speak to a former FIFA adviser about what's next for Sepp Blatter.
And we'll discuss television's most awkward moment in recent memory at least for the woman who has been in the spotlight of beauty pageants. It's
what (ph) all hosts fear for (inaudible) Steve Harvey.
FOSTER: Welcome back, here's what's happening in the world right now. Outgoing FIFA President Sepp Blatter says, he'll appeal the ruling banning
him from football for eight years. FIFA's ethics committee says Blatter and European Football Chief Michel Platini abused their positions when
Blatter paid Platini $2 million supposedly for consulting work. Speaking to me in the last few minutes FIFA Presidential candidates Tokyo Sexwale
said that while there are problems at the organization, he does not think FIFA should be liquidated as some have suggested.
The Taliban are claiming responsibility for an attack in Afghanistan that killed six American soldiers. It happened near a U.S. base in Northern
Parwan province. One official tells CNN, a suicide bomber on a motorcycle carried out the attack on a joint patrol of Afghan and coalition forces.
Russian media now say that the data recorder on a Russian Military jet that Turkey shot down last month is not readily readable. Officials say there
is severe damage to the internal memory boards so they're looking to other ways to try to access the data.
A day after a bomb hoax caused an Air France flight to Paris to be diverted to the Kenya, authorities have arrested a former French policeman. As the
rest of the passengers arrived home Air France filed a complaint against the man for reckless endangerment and obstruction to circulation of an
Returning to our main story FIFA's eight-year ban on its President Sepp Blatter and the head of European Football Michel Platini. I'm joined by
Aspen, Colorado by Michael Hershman, he is a Former Member of FIFA's Independent Governance Committee and President and CEO of the Fairfax
Group. He joins me via Skype, obviously you know Blatter is a defiant man but his defiance today was very clear wasn't it? What did you make of it?
MICHAEL HERSHMAN, FORMER MEMBER, FIFA'S GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE: Not unusual. He's been defiant for the last five years in the course of the various
scandals that have occurred. He's a man who does not want to quit and in fact his defiance is symptomatic of the fact that he really is in this for
himself and not the sport.
FOSTER: He's also saying he can't be replaced at least for now while he's in position. What do you think his thinking these days? He seems to be
trying to work around the rules.
HERSHMAN: Well, he is trying to work around the rules. And I'm very concerned for number of -- from a number of perspectives. First of all, he
is still president of the organization. I think it would be best, in everyone's best interest for him to resign that post immediately. But
secondly, he and Platini still have quite a bit of support within the FIFA family and could potentially manipulate the election in February to get a
candidate in there who's a disciple of theirs and who may make it easier for them to comeback sooner.
FOSTER: Take us through the appeals process. Because theirs is another level of appeal he can go through. But what real impact will that have in
this finding today?
HERSHMAN: Well he can't -- there is another appeal level. He's actually gone through that appeal level once and been denied. Look, he -- the
ethics committee that sits today is one that was brought in under his regime. It was recommended by our Independent Governance Commission. And,
during the last few years when a number of FIFA executives and offices have been tried by the ethics committee and sentenced, Blatter had nothing but
good things to say about the ethics committee, as did Platini who was sitting on the executive committee.
[15:35:12] Now, however that they are accused that they think this is a political effort to disgrace them.
FOSTER: What about the idea that they should just give up on whole idea of FIFA as an organization, it's too damaged, trust is completely gone and I
was talking to one of the candidates looking to replace Blatter earlier on. He says it shouldn't be liquidated, it should just be reformed. But do you
think it's gone too far for that?
HERSHMAN: It's a close call. I must admit if the next president is not credible, if he is not effective in bringing in quick reform to the
organization, including to the confederations and federations, it may be the end of FIFA. I do think that there's an opportunity, there's a window
of opportunity to reform the culture within the organization but that window is closing very quickly. Let's hope that they choose a leader in
February who has his moral compass set to the right direction.
FOSTER: And it will be about transparency, won't it, showing that everything is in the books and people can look through everything so you
don't get any of this off-book work, which is what today's hearing was largely about, this payment between the two key members of FIFA.
HERSHMAN: It's about transparency and accountability. Blatter has treated the FIFA bank account as his personal account. This instance of the
payment to Platini, I think as time goes on will show to be only one of many off the book transactions that have taken place over the years.
FOSTER: OK. My pleasure (ph), we're watching this very closely as you say, the election is currently set for February while Sepp Blatter is still
in power in the position right now, suspended from that ethics committee. Thank you very much for joining us.
We'll go to China's latest industrial disaster now there. Initially it was called a landslide. It turns out the mess in Shenzhen was also a trash
slide. The muddy heap of waste buried dozens of buildings. According to state media, the company in charge of the site raised safety concerns back
in January, warning a potential landslide and saying the city needs new dumps. More than 80 people are missing after Sunday's collapse and Andrew
Stevens has more detail for you.
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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was the moment a wall of mud slammed into three industrial parks in Southern China on Sunday. The sheer
force of the landslide toppled multistory buildings, burying some of them and smashing others to rubble. Hundreds of rescue workers are still
combing through the debris and mud as the number of missing climbs higher. More than a dozen people are being treated at a local hospital, among the
injured an 8-year-old boy.
"It was so scary, we just jumped off the building", he says. About 1,000 residents have been forced to leave their homes. They spent Sunday night
sleeping in temporary shelters.
Officials now say the cause of the landslide was manmade, a pile of earth and construction waste that grew as high as a three-story building. Locals
tell State News Agency Xinhua that hundreds of trucks dump construction waste here every day for at least two years. Premier Li Keqiang has
ordered an investigation.
Shenzhen on the border with Hong Kong is one of China's fastest growing cities, it was chosen in 1980 by then leader Deng Xiaoping to be one of the
first cities to lead China's economic revolution. From a quiet fishing village it's now home to 10.8 million people and is the center of China's
tech industry. Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hong Kong.
FOSTER: We've also got this just into us from the U.S. A ride at SeaWorld in Florida has become stocked, according to CNN Affiliate WESH. The ride
called Sky Tower has passengers on board. A spokesperson for SeaWorld said they are all safe. A local fire and rescue say 15 firefighters are working
with staff on the ride. Now the youngest person convicted in a brutal gang rape and murder in India has been set free. A ruling that sparked outrage.
We asked a female police officer about the impact of this case, and that next, on "The World Right Now."
FOSTER: There are loud calls to reform juvenile justice laws in India after Supreme Court failed to overturn the release of a young man involved
in a brutal gang rape and murder back in 2012. He was just shy of 18 when the attack which shook the country took place and he was freed over the
weekend after serving the maximum sentence for a minor. Sumnima Udas look at what's changed on the streets of Delhi since the tragedy.
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SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A day after the release of the youngest of the six men involved in the most savage gang rape India has ever seen.
The question on many people's minds, what's changed? Are women safer? We go on patrol with one of Delhi's highest ranking female police officers.
MONIKA BHARADWAJ, PONDICHERRY SENIOR SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE: People have a perception that the police has not been doing enough. To change that we
started interacting with the people, we try to not (ph) make police more visible so that even if the force is lesser in number the impact is more.
UDAS: Monika Bharadwaj grew up in Delhi, even though she is strong and independent, until a few years ago she'd never even think about going to
BHARADWAJ: Nobody dare to, you know, speak about it, even if something happened with me I will never go to the police station. But now I see
regarding this that girls go and report such things. They don't hesitate calling hundred numbers. They are, you know, more forthcoming about it.
So this is a big change.
UDAS: The police were often accused of being largely corrupt, inefficient and insensitive towards women. Now they go from street to street, school
to school to change that perception. A women's help desk with female police officers 24/7 has been setup at every police station in New Delhi
and an app which anyone in trouble can press the SOS button and the police can track your GPS details and be there within minutes, just a few of the
many changes that are already making a difference.
[15:45:10] Are these changes effective, have you noticed a difference?
BHARADWAJ: This is given a lot of confidence to the women. The first thing does a reporting, the first problem we had with reporting, nobody was
UDAS: There is no question, people are more aware, women more emboldened. The once taboo topic is now discussed at length. India now has some of the
strongest anti-rape laws in the world but many say that may not be enough.
As a woman, do you still feel like it's a long way to go?
BHARDWAJ: We have a typical patriarchal society. It is going to take some time. For example I'll give you that, she's a lady officer, still she
doing so well. So there's still will stay for some time.
UDAS: What's needed is a change in mindsets. How women are viewed and that is not easily done.
Sumnima Udas, CNN New Delhi.
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FOSTER: Well coming up, a mistake and an apology on live television. We'll discuss the stunning conclusion to the Miss Universe contest with a
woman who's been on the pageant stage many times before.
It always looks like challenge maintain poise as the first runner up of a beauty pageant, second place contestants are so close to the crown but
never as close as Miss Colombia was on Sunday night.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEVE HARVEY, MISS UNIVERSE 2015 HOST: OK folks, there's -- I have to apologize. The first runner-up is Colombia. Miss Universe 2015 is
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[15:50:07] FOSTER: Paula that was the scene after host of the Miss Universe pageant mistakenly announced that Ms. Colombia had won the title
even though Ms. Philippines was the actual winner.
So, how did this happen? Well, you can clearly see in this close-up of the cue card, that it lists Philippines under Miss Universe 2015. But, take a
look at this Snapchat video, it was posted on Twitter by a Panamanian media outlet that claims and shows Steve Harvey blaming the teleprompter.
Harvey attempted an online apology but that was almost as disastrous as his initial gaffe. He misspelled both Colombia and the Philippines in a Twit
that was quickly deleted.
Harvey's own social media comments were not the lost and the winner is, Miss Information twitted Canadian funny man Mark Critch. Even Justin
Bieber couldn't resist, reposting this composite of his body and Harvey's face with a tag line, "Is it too late now to say sorry"? But, on the
streets of Manila, Filipinos seem more forgiving.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translation): He might lose his job due to that mistake. So, maybe we should give him another chance.
UNIDENTIFEID MALE (through translation): Let's forgive him because people commit mistake sometimes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: Well, we're going to get some perspective for you now from someone who's been in Steve Harvey's position, not quite in the same way. The
hosting, not the mis-crowning.
Kate Solomons is the National Director of Miss Great Britain. You can see Kate here at the mike for that event.
And, you look totally at ease but how easy would it be to make a gaffe like Harvey's on stage do you think?
KATE SOLOMONS, MISS GREAT BRITAIN NATIONAL DIRECTOR: It must be so difficult. It's very easy to make any kind of mistakes in live hosting,
and I have to admit it probably been one of my fears for many, many years. I've been hosting live pageants for 10 years now and I'm always worried
about that. Luckily I haven't made that mistake myself.
FOSTER: What went to your mind when you saw this clip first time?
SOLOMONS: In all honesty, my feelings went out to the girls, you know, Miss Colombia and Miss Philippines initially. First for Ms. Colombia to
have that most amazing feeling taken away from her and then Ms. Colombia to never actually get that amazing crowning moment, it just won't ever feel
the same for her.
FOSTER: You mean Miss Philippines? She missed out in that moment. Yeah.
SOLOMONS: I mean she is.
FOSTER: Yeah, exactly. But what you're saying is that feel (ph) up to the moment and she won't be able to cherish that, is that what you're saying?
SOLOMONS: That's right, yes. Ms. Philippines won't have that crowning moment. I mean the thought that must have been going through her head.
She, you know, she had wonderful compose while she was listening and trying to work out exactly what was going on. It must have been very, very
difficult to deal with for both ladies.
FOSTER: But because of all of the P.R. around this, she's going to be more famous than any other Miss Universe, isn't she?
SOLOMONS: Well Yes. I mean, Miss Universe pageant themselves, I mean, a lots of people talking about it, how did it happen, why did it happen? And
we are all talking about it.
FOSTER: Let's just talk about the host because obviously you've been in that position. How do you think he handled it?
SOLOMONS: Tricky to say because I don't know how it works behind the scenes. I would imagine -- I mean, as I say, I hosted national finals like
Miss Great Britain and we're not televised as yet. We'd love to be. But on that scale, you would think that there would be somebody feeding into
him. So I would have expected the result to be sort of corrected a lot sooner than it was. It seemed a long time before he actually came around
and corrected it so, yeah...
FOSTER: If there was discrepancy between the teleprompter and the card and perhaps, he felt that he should go with the teleprompter, because you can
edit that obviously on the go, whereas the card was there on paper.
SOLOMONS: Yeah. That's very true. I mean, I am sure a lot of pageants from now will have that discussion to say which will override which in the
future. I don't know which way I would have gone, if it was a fault of the teleprompter and probably gone for what was black and white in the card
before me, to be honest.
FOSTER: Yeah. And in terms of the event, as you say more people have heard of it now haven't they, it's not all bad.
SOLOMONS: Yeah. As everybody talking about it.
FOSTER: And that emotion around it, the people that don't follow these events, just describe the sort of narrative that builds up to that big
moment and why it's such a big deal for the women on stage?
SOLOMONS: Well the girls have worked so hard in the buildup to it. I've had the privilege of being sort (inaudible) stages. I was a contestant
myself for many years. I was first runner-up in Miss England so I got to be the girl who came second, an amazing it that was, I dreamed of actually
hearing my own name.
[15:55:05] I've now been organizing pageants for the last 10 years, and became National Director of Miss Great Britain in 2012. So, you know, I've
had the competition in my hands, making sure that everything runs smoothly. I'm working with live teams to make sure everything goes well. And then of
course, at the actual host holding that audience in your hands and those girls' dreams as you wait to announce those final results. It's absolutely
amazing for the audience and those girls waiting on stage.
FOSTER: And it can lead to quite lucrative careers, cant it (ph), but do you think, to Ms. Colombia, she'll going to be famous now isn't she for not
winning it? Do you think she can turn that around or do you think she's going to feel as if though the whole opportunity has been ruined for her?
SOLOMONS: Oh no, I think she dealt with it in the most amazing way. She was wonderful. She looked so happy for Ms. Philippines who had actually
won. And I'm sure a lot of the girls competing in pageants have practiced their losing face and she had to take that crown away from herself and
actually be proud of somebody else. So I think she did amazingly well. And, she should be very proud of herself. I think she'll do very well off
the back of it.
FOSTER: I have to start practicing a new face. Thank you very much indeed for joining us, Kate Solomons.
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