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Donald Trump Attacks Bill Clinton; Scientists Use 3-D Mapping to Preserve Ancient Treasures; New Documentary on The Life of Steve Jobs; Top Ten Scandals of 2015; Policing in the Age of Camera Phone; 3:30-4p ET

Aired December 29, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: -- Bernie Sanders or on Bill Clinton, because his comments when it comes to the former president are only getting stronger.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's what they said. They called him a racist. I don't believe he is a racist if you want to know the truth, but they called him a racist. It was a miserable campaign. He did very poorly. And they are bringing him out again. He is being wheeled out and we are going to see what happens. There were certainly a lot of abuse of women. And you look at whether it's Monica Lewinsky or Paula Jones or many of them and that certainly will be fair game. Certainly, if they play the women's card would respect to me, that would be fair game.

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BALDWIN: So, you know, escalating war of words, Bill Clinton isn't even on the trail yet, though he will be in a matter of days.

Jeff Zeleny is joining me. He is our senior Washington correspondent in Council Bluffs, Iowa there where Trump will be in just a couple hours.

So we just played a little bit of Trump versus Bill Clinton. Let me ask you about Trump versus Jeb Bush. Because last night, Trump, you know, went on a tweeting and retweeting spree, just to give our viewers a taste. Let me read some of these tweets here from Mr. Trump.

First, we have so I have spent almost nothing on my run for president and I'm in first place. Jeb Bush spent $59 million and done. Run country my way.

This one. Word on the street is that Jeb Bush's mother is voting for Donald Trump. So cute.

Jeff Zeleny, we know we heard from Jeb Bush's spokesperson calling Trump twitter drunk. What's going on here?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, just when you think the campaign is sort of found its place on the low road, it goes a little even lower.

So what is happening here are couple of things. First, let's start with Jeb Bush. What Donald Trump is clearly doing, there is one Republican candidate who gets under his skin for some reason. Not because of his strength in the polls but Donald Trump seems to be slightly annoyed whenever Jeb Bush sort of attacks or pokes him. So Donald Trump loves to do it back.

And it's also a way of sort of, you know, reminding conservatives that Donald Trump is not afraid to take on the establishment. He is not afraid to sort of go after the Bushes. And it's interesting, Brooke. I think that is actually the same method to his madness, if you will, on Jeb Bush is Bill Clinton.

Donald Trump is trying to remind conservatives, you know, anti- establishment Republicans that he is willing to take everyone on. And Brooke, there's no one who unifies Republicans more than attacking the Clintons. When Donald Trump is bringing all this up, a, he is trying to sort of taunt Bill Clinton, trying to urge them to respond. So far, they haven't. But he's also trying to remind Republicans that look, I'm not afraid to take them on. I will do that all day long. So that's a little bit of what's going on I think in Donald Trump's head today, Brooke.

BALDWIN: OK. Let me ask you on the Democratic side. For O'Malley, I know that several candidates had to cancel events out there because of, you know, bad weather as Democrat Martin O'Malley kept his schedule as planned. Although low turnout meaning one person. Take a listen.

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MARTIN O'MALLEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We decided to plow through quite literally sometimes. The very last event of the night, we actually had a whopping total of one person show up. But he was glad to see me.

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BALDWIN: All right. So, you know, he is laughing about it. One person, there you go. I mean, it doesn't really look delightful where you are. So I'm not exactly surprised that people are, you know, canceling events. What about Donald Trump? What about the event later?

ZELENY: Well, you know, Brooke, it is December. It is Iowa. You know, it snows here. That's how it goes. But I will tell you. I grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in a lot of snow. It was pretty bad yesterday. So many cars and semis in the ditch and what not so. Smart of all these candidates, Marco Rubio to cancel his events. Chris Christie to cancel his event. I'm not sure that Martin O'Malley would have had that many people any way. He is struggling a little bit. But you know, he is making some good humor about it here.

But look, Donald Trump is scheduled to fly in here into Omaha, which is just across the river just in a couple hours. And he will have an event here. But I can tell you, Brooke. This is not going to be one of Donald Trump's biggest events. I was just inside this event hall. A pretty small room by Trump standards. And the room made even smaller. So I would assume a thousand or so people here. But look, campaigning in the holidays between Christmas and the New Year is tough for any candidate. But they are all out here trying to get in one more handshake and one more autograph maybe before the 2015 ends and the New Year begins, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Well, we will see if he shall be able to beat that Martin O'Malley one person turning out.

Jeff Zeleny, maybe with you, two people. Jeff Zeleny, baring the cold for us there in Iowa, thank you so much. Our senior Washington correspondent.

Let's move on.

Next, the Iraqi army makes gains against ISIS, scientists - this is fascinating stuff, they are using 3-D mapping to preserve these ancient treasures that are at risk from destruction from the terror group. We will tell you how it's done with lasers and what's really at stake when one of leaders of the nonprofit group joins me live, that's next.

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[15:38:33] BALDWIN: We have been reporting on the positive news that the key Iraqi city of Ramadi may be back in the hands of government forces. But while the Iraq army sweeps the city for possible bombs left behind by ISIS, tribal leaders there tell CNN ISIS fighters still control about a quarter of the city. We have pictures for you. And these are pictures that indicate from this morning in Ramadi showing government forces trying to move civilian, children to safety.

And just a short time ago, the Iraqi prime minister arriving in Ramadi and officially raising the Iraqi flag. The prime minister promised the city of Mosul would also be liberated from ISIS and that ISIS would be defeated. He specifically said in 2016. But that does not help the millions of people trying to escape the violence right now.

Troubling new report from the international organization of migration claiming Iraq has seen the highest numbers and fastest rate of people displaced anywhere in the world in 2015. Some 3.2 million on the move out of Iraq.

And with that, to the dangerous work being done to stop the cultural genocide being waged by ISIS on some of the most important ancient sites in all of Iraq in Syria. This is the historical Iraqi city of Irbil. ISIS militants took this video earlier this year shoving statues off pedestals and taking sledge hammers, drills to destroy these antiquities from a civilization that dates back more than 5,000 years.

Lisa Ackerman is executive vice president of the World Monuments Fund was in Irbil just weeks before Mosul, a city just 30 miles away fell to ISIS. And she is part of this it group that is using laser technology to create can 3-D imaging of these prized historical sites so that even if they are destroyed by terrorists, their images will live on.

So, it's so nice to meet you. And for me, just as a person who just appreciates history and antiquity, it is cringe worthy to watch these videos. But for you, I mean, this is your life's work.

LISA ACKERMAN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT/CEO, WORLD MONUMENTS FUND: It is. It's heartbreaking because when you work intensively on these conservation sites, you study the sites remotely perhaps, but eventually you are on site and forming lifelong bonds sometimes with colleagues in these countries. So for us it's been especially hear heartbreaking to have colleagues in Iraq and Syria so affected by the war. And so, it's not an abstraction when I open up the newspaper or turn on CNN and hear something about Iraq or Syria, it really breaks my heart because I think about not just the monuments, but the people who have worked so hard to protect them their whole lives. And we are friends, but we are not in the trenches as so many colleagues who are there all the time.

BALDWIN: You have been a couple times. Your colleagues have been dozens of times. You know, as we talk both about the (INAUDIBLE), not only Iraq but Syria as well. Help us understand how significant they are. I mean, I know we say they date back several thousand years, but what are they especially that library?

ACKERMAN: Well, there was meaning to every place. And so, we go to places today as tourists and enjoy them, but what they really are windows on to thousands of years of history. So in the case (INAUDIBLE) which may have been used a lot, it was an important trade route and the nexus that attracted the romans there who built it into an even stronger trade hub. And then what we see today is the remnants really of 2,000 years of people living near the site. Because it's not just survived because of the roman era, but it was there during the grand tour when European and American tourists discovered the Middle East in new ways. And then in modern times, it's been a major tourist destination. So we have learned about roman history and (INAUDIBLE) history and even the formation of Islamic culture by virtue of these sites being witnesses to history.

BALDWIN: I'm sure you got goose bumps just walking around these sites.

ACKERMAN: It is, you know. It is -- when we think about how hard it is to build a building in New York City and then you roll back to building things without the advantages of modern equipment.

BALDWIN: How are you helping preserve, just quick last question with this 3-D imaging? What you are all doing?

ACKERMAN: Well, we began working in Babylon in 2009 on site. And so because of security issues, we couldn't be on site a long time at any one stretch. So we used laser technology to capture what's called a point cloud of data. So very intensive high resolution photography and measuring devices that allow you then with time to process the image into drawings and architectural measured drawings that help us understand how to conserve the site.

BALDWIN: Phenomenal. And such important work. Lisa Ackerman, executive vice president of the World Monuments Fund, thank you so much.

ACKERMAN: Thank you for inviting us.

BALDWIN: Absolutely.

Coming up next, his products changed the world. Steve Jobs was not loved by everyone. The messier part of his life and his temper in a hundred dollar the scenes look, next.

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[15:46:56] BALDWIN: He has been called visionary and a creative genius, but Apple computer founder Steve Jobs was not perfect. In his biography, author Walter Isaacson said quote "there are parts of his life and personality that are extremely messy." Well, this Sunday night at 9:00 eastern here on CNN, we will air a film on the life of Steve Jobs. Here's a preview.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: NI ended up changing my entire life. I lost my wife in that process. I lost my children in that process. I lost the whole structure of my life was just changed forever by going and working on the Mac.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because the work became so intense?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The work was intense, the commitment needed to do it with intense. I would go to work on a Tuesday morning and half the people would hate me. When I come back on Wednesday morning, the other half would hate me, but it was the other half, there were a lot of prima donnas in that outfit. So I was always in conflict.

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BALDWIN: My next guest here produced the film and you will see him in the movie as well. Peter Elkind is editor at-large at "Fortune" magazine.

Peter, thank you so much for joining me.

PETER ELKIND, EDITOR AT-LARGE, FORTUNE MAGAZINE: Good to be with you, Brooke.

BALDWIN: So we just heard that one anecdote. I mean, I want you to just out of the gate. Tell me some stories, some specifics on how Steve Jobs, the visionary, Steve Jobs, treated his colleagues at apple.

ELKIND: Yes, well, Steve Jobs was an incredibly complex guy. He was capable of extraordinary things. He could also treat people in a monstrous fashion. And working for him was exhilarating and was also brutal as the fellow you just saw in that clip by Velvo (ph) illustrated. Time is the greatest work experience of his life but he also regard as the most brutal experience and painful personally in his life as well. And that applied not just to the workplace, but also his personal life. Steve Jobs engaged in some terrible behavior and makes explores all of that.

BALDWIN: Such as?

ELKIND: Well, the most prominent example is treatment of his girlfriend and his daughter. He fathered a child out of wedlock Lisa. And left Lisa's mother and Lisa to live on welfare and denied paternity of her for a long period of time. And he did something denied paternity. He actually filed an affidavit, signed an affidavit where he claimed he was infertile and incapable of conceiving a child. And left them to live on welfare and left the mom to work as a waitress in restaurants while he was a multimillionaire.

BALDWIN: You know, even today with Tim Cook, the current CEO of Apple, you know, he says that Steve Jobs is still very much revered. How so?

ELKIND: There's no question about it. Within Apple he is a mythic figure and respected, admired as a man who saved the company and transformed it into the juggernaut it is today. I mean, there is no question. He accomplished extraordinary things as a businessman, but it doesn't mean it wasn't painful and brutal for a lot of people along the way.

[15:50:12] BALDWIN: Peter, tell me, you know, the film, what surprise you the most being in the weeds, as you were, what surprised you the most making this?

ELKIND: Well, two of the most fascinating things I -- in the film, Alex, the director, came up with -- and I reported on Steve Jobs for a long story for "Fortune" years ago, but had not come across this particular bit - (INAUDIBLE) who is the spiritual guru, there's a clip where Alex found a video of him talking about Steve and about how he fell short in his goal of enlightenment.

BALDWIN: No kidding.

ELKIND: Quite fascinating. Yes, yes. And another part of the film I think is quite extraordinary seeing Steve, the videotape of him being deposed by the SEC in its stock options back dating investigation of Apple. And you see Steve talking about his personal life. You see his tone. You see him putting his feet up on the table as he's being deposed, and bemoaning way he was treated by the Apple board of directors at times. It is really quite a wonderful window into his personality.

BALDWIN: Fascinating. Peter Elkind, the anecdotes, the video, we will watch. Do not miss the premiere of "Steve Jobs: the man in the machine" this Sunday night 9:00 eastern only here on CNN.

Thank you so much. And we will be right back.

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[15:54:57] BALDWIN: And now, we are counting down the top ten scandals of 2015.

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[15:55:02] JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): Most hated, pharmaceutical company CEO Martin Skrelly makes our list, not just because he jacked up the price to treat cancer patients over 500 percent, also because he took too long to stop talking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could see how it looks greedy but a lot of altruistic properties to it.

JOHNS: Or tweeting, trying to make his case to people like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton who did not want to hear it. Skrelly was indicted for unrelated fraud and resigned before the end of the year.

Number nine, state of denial. 2015 was yet another banner year for Illinois politicians in big trouble. Former house speaker, Dennis Hastert, got caught up in sexual misconduct and hush money allegations. Former congressman Aaron Shock resigned after misusing taxpayer money, including to redecorate his office in the style of the Dowton Abbey TV show. And Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel was on the ropes for his city's handling of police shooting video that somehow didn't go public until after the mayor got reelected.

MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL, CHICAGO: I'm responsible. I don't short that responsibility.

JOHNS: Number eight, year of family values.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The story of my family. We're the Duggers.

JOHNS: Conservative family man and reality TV star, Josh Dugger, quit the family research council after admitting, while in his teen, he molested four of his sisters. And then Dugger popped up when the Ashley Madison hacker started naming names. Though, he wasn't the only one, 32 million people buying into the Web site slogan, life is short, have an affair.

Number seven, black like me, the story of Rachel (INAUDIBLE) as hard to watch but impossible to turn away. President of Spokane's NAACP ousted as white by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you African-American?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't -- I don't understand the question of.

JOHNS: No crime, of course, and a color-blind society, it wasn't matter but this is not that America. The telling part was the overheated reaction to Rachel's story that said more about our times than she ever could.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she's out of her mind, to be quite honest.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First I thought, maybe this is a psychological disorder, but now I'm convinced that she's a con artist.

JOHNS: Number six, at least they are consistent. The U.S. secret service the guys who protect the first family, seemed to stay in the spotlight, and not always for their heroics, sometimes it's not even their fault. This year some rocket scientist flew a drone over the White House that crashed on the lawn. What you supposed to do about that?

But then in March, two senior agents who had been drinking, crashed a car into the White House barricade. So there's that.

Number five, journalism's naughty list is anchored by former NBC nightly news anchor, Brian Williams.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS ANCHOR: I want to apologize. I said I was traveling if an aircraft that was hit by RPG fire.

JOHNS: When somehow managed to turn his credibility into a late night comedy routine. Not to be forgotten, "Rolling Stone" magazine, which this year had to retract a story by Sabrina Ruden Erdly who managed to take a series issue of national concern and changed the focus with her deeply flawed opus on the alleged sexual assault at University of Virginia.

Number four, no sense of humor. Here is a question, three top officials of FIFA, the governing body of professional soccer, are all traveling in a car. Who's driving? Answer, the police. It's almost not a joke, considering so many officials who control the world's most popular sport has been implicated by the justice department for allegations of bribery, fraud, and money laundering. That joke was so not funny to FIFA, that one of its PR guy told it in public, he quit his job.

Number three, and speaking of sports scandals, we can't forget Tom Brady of the NFL's New England patriots who faced down allegations that made both a joke and punch line. Grown men accused of playing with deflated balls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To me those balls are perfect, that's what I expect when I show up on the field.

JOHNS: Number two, I'm Alice in wonderland and I approve this message.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a place like no place on earth. Some say to survive it, you need to be as mad as a hatter.

JOHNS: When Lewis Carol wrote this fantasy classic, he could not have for seen the un-parallel political jabber locking coming from candidates in both parties in the U.S. presidential race.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Everything I did was permitted by law and regulation. JOHNS: Being a leader can mean insulting millions.

TRUMP: They're rapists.

BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would not advocate we put a Muslim in charge of this nation.

JOHNS: Even billions of people.

TRUMP: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.

JOHNS: And the great thing is that the general election is still more than ten months away.

And finally, number one, policing in the age of candid camera phone. It has dominated the headlines for more than a year. Separating the vast majority of officers just doing their jobs from those who abuse their power.

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[16:00:11] BALDWIN: Joe Johns, thank you.

Thank you for being with me. "The LEAD" starts now.