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[08:00:15] KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to News Stream.

Now Saudi Arabia cuts ties with Iran after Shia protesters burned the Saudi embassy, a major diplomatic split could further divide the Middle

East.

Armed protesters take over a government building in U.S. state of Oregon warning that they will defend themselves if forced to leave.

And protests in Hong Kong after the disappearance of a fifth person linked to a publisher of books critical to China.

We begin with escalating tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran that now appear to be spreading. Bahrain has just announced it is joining Saudi

Arabia in cutting diplomatic ties with Iran. This comes after Iranian protesters ransacked and burned the embassy over the weekend.

That attack was in response to Saudi Arabia's execution of a prominent Shia cleric.

Now, Russian state media report that Moscow is ready to act as an intermediary between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Now, Frederik Pleitgen is following this story for us from London. He joins us now live.

And Fred, Bahrain is now severing diplomatic ties with Iran. I mean, walk us through the growing regional impact that this split between Saudi

Arabia and Iran is having and could have?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it could have major regional implications throughout a region that, of course,

Kristie, as we know, has been very volatile over the past couple of years. If we look at places like Yemen. We look at places like Syria. We look at

places like Iraq, but also Bahrain itself.

Bahrain, of course, is a country with a Sunni minority ruling over a Shia majority. They've always had a government that was very close to the

Saudis, big allies of the Saudis but have also had a majority Shia population. And the rulers there in Bahrain have for a long time accused

the Iranians of trying to stoke sectarian tensions in that country.

So certainly the Bahraini move is not something that necessarily really comes as a surprise. However, the speed at which the relations

between the Saudis and Iranians have deteriorated over this weekend is certainly something that is surprising.

You had the execution of that very prominent Shia cleric that did spark a lot of genuine outrage in Iran. However, then you had the storming

of the embassy in Tehran on Saturday night, which the government under Hassan Rouhani later acknowledged was wrong and he said that would go after

those who perpetrated this.

The Iranians on Sunday saying that they had arrested some 40 people. However, that was certainly not enough to set the Saudis or to appease the

Saudis. If you will they then announced on Sunday night they were severing all ties accusing the Iranians of trying to undermine security in Saudi

Arabia.

So, the pace at which these relations are deteriorating and the consequences all of this could have for the Gulf and for the greater Middle

East is certainly something that is absolutely troubling to players around the world.

LU STOUT: That's right, with deepening anger spreading fast across the Middle East. Fred Pleitgen reporting for us live. Thank you, Fred.

Now to Iraq now, and the brutal fight for Ramadi. Iraqi troops are combing the newly liberated city for booby traps and bombs that ISIS left

behind. Nima Elbagir reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ramadi, after months of ISIS rule, this is what remains. ISIS's occupation

of the city leaving its mark both above and below ground.

(on camera): These are the houses that the militants were hiding inside of. You can see what they were doing is they were digging up tunnels

so that they were able to move from house to house without being seen by the coalition planes. And so that this wasn't spotted from the air, they

were hiding the dirt that they were digging up and keeping it inside the houses themselves.

You come through here, we can show you one of the tunnels leading through. Some of these tunnels, we're told, went as far as a kilometer.

We're going to go have a look inside. They're not actually that wide, but it does give you a sense of them moving in the dark, under the ground,

out of sight.

(voice-over): The city fell to ISIS in May last year. Since then, Iraqi forces have been battling to reclaim their territorial integrity and

their ravaged morale.

The head of Iraq's counterterror force told us the liberation of Ramadi should be celebrated around the world.

[08:05:08] LT. GEN. TALEB SHEGATI AL-KENANI, IRAQI COUNTERTERRORISM FORCE (through translation): Defeating ISIS in this victory has impacted on

ISIS plans and its very existence, including weakness and desperation. The road to Mosul is now open and clear.

ELBAGIR: Blindfolded and bound, captured ISIS fighters face the wall. They were, we're told, attempting to blend in to what remains of the local

population. A reminder ISIS fighters could be hiding in plain sight.

Even as the road to Mosul is in the Iraqi armed force's sight, a week on from the announcement of the liberation here in Ramadi, counterterror

forces battle to purge the city of the remaining militants' presence.

(GUNFIRE)

ELBAGIR (on camera): We're hearing some pops of gunfire there. They're a little further across the other side of the river. The fighting is

ongoing. The clean up operation is still going on and that's why the helicopter is circling overhead.

(GUNFIRE)

ELBAGIR (voice-over): In spite of the threat of IEDs and roadside bombs, the troops continue their painstaking push. Under every inch of

reclaimed territory, a possible death. Everyone here knows so much is at stake in this claimed liberation and not just for Iraq.

AL-KENANI (through translation): This victory is a victory for humanity because ISIS is against Iraq and against all of humanity.

ELBAGIR: It is also, finally, some palpable momentum in the battle.

Nima Elbagir, CNN, Ramadi.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: And that was CNN's Nima Elbagir reporting from inside Ramadi.

Now, there is a deep global sell-off underway this hour on the first trading day of 2016. U.S. stock futures are falling fast ahead the opening

bell after China suspended its markets due to heavy loss. Shares and stock markets across Europe are also, as you can see, sharply lower. They have

followed the plunge in share prices that grip markets here in the Asia- Pacific earlier.

Setting off the panic was that weak manufacturing data, that report out of China earlier this day. The benchmark Shanghai Composite shed

nearly 7 percent. And the losses were so big that trading was automatically halted on China's two main exchanges.

Now, armed protesters in the U.S. state of Oregon have told CNN that they will remain in a federal building for as long as it takes to take a

stand against how the federal government uses and controls land.

Now, they have taken over a national wildlife refuge near the city of Burns, that after two ranchers, a father and son, were convicted of arson.

They are due to begin their sentences later today.

Now, they said they started a fire to reduce the growth of invasive plants and to protect their property from wildfire, but they were accused

of hiding signs of poaching.

Now, a spokesman for the protesters say that they are not terrorists, but a CNN.com, one of our

contributors asked if armed people take over a government building and do so in the name of Islam, would that change how they are labeled? Now, go

to CNN.com/opinion, check out the article, it's written by CNN's national security analyst Juliette Kayyem.

Let's get more on the standoff under way in Oregon. Sara Sidner joins us live from Burns. Sara, what's the latest there?

SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERANTIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, hi, Kristie. Basically what has happened is that there are two groups of people involved

in this. One: the Hammonds. Now, the Hammonds that you mentioned are going to turn themselves in. They're going to jail, they're going back to

prison to serve more time after a -- the government decided that they appealed their sentence and they said, look, they haven't served enough

time, they have to go back to jail.

They are going to do that. They are separate from the incident that's happening here.

This is being led by Ammon Bundy. He has long, him and his family, long have had beef with the federal government saying that the federal

government has overstepped its bound when it comes to land rights. They are ranchers and farmers who believe that they should able to use the land

that the federal government has taken from local communities and that it is far

overstepped its bound and so they have decided to come here in support of the Hammonds who are also ranchers, saying they are

here not in their name, but they are here in the name of ranchers everywhere and inviting people from around the world and around the country

to come in and help them secure the land and give it back to the people.

The issue with that, of course, is that the federal government says this is federal government land, which is technically the people's land.

It is a wilderness here, a wildlife refuge.

We are basically 30 miles outside of Burns in the middle of almost nowhere, if you will. This is a place where you would come out to kind of

enjoy the scenery. But this family has decided that they are going to take over this government building which is inside of the property. They've

also stopped people from being able to come and go in and out of the property freely.

And we have not seen, Kristie, any police presence whatsoever so far. They've been here for a couple of days. This is now going on the third

day. But we do hear from the sheriff's department that there will be a command center set up.

This group has said that they do not want to become violent. They said that they will not be

the first to create any violence, that they are not hurting anyone, they are simply holding on to land they believe should be given back to the

local people here.

As far as how long they will be here, they say they are going to stay here as long as it takes.

[08:10:36] LU STOUT: So, this family, they say at issue here is the use of public land. You're reporting that you've seen no police officers

there despite the fact that these are armed protesters or can we even call them that? Because, Sara, the standoff there has sparked this huge debate

online, on social media, among Americans about why these armed protesters are not being called terrorists. Tell us about that.

SIDNER: Right, so there is a whole group of people online who have been talking about this group saying, wait a minute, if they were Muslims

or if they had a different -- if they were African-American that they would be treated differently.

I cannot speak to that. All we know is that this is literally very far away from any city and that is their point, that they are not putting

anybody in danger. But we haven't seen a police presence out here.

We do know that there will be one. They have promised that they are going to set up some sort of a command center.

But we asked particularly, we asked Ammon Bundy, the person who is heading up this idea of taking over this federal building about that. They

are being called names like Y'all Qaeda. And he said, look, we are not terrorist, we're patriots. That's how they see themselves. That's how

their supporters see them.

And as to what the federal government does, because this is federal land in their jurisdiction, we'll have to wait and see about that.

Let me let you listen to what Ammon said earlier today about why they are out here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AMMON BUNDY, PROTEST SPOKESMAN: If we go to the constitution, we can see who's done really what. An article 1 8.17 are the rules that the

federal government have to follow in order to own and control land and resources inside the state. And that is first, they have to get consent

from the state legislatures. Second, they have to purchase them from the rightful owners and third, they can only use them for the erection of

forts, magazines, arsenals, dock yards and other needful buildings. And they have done this here. They did not get consent from the state

legislature.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNER: Now, the federal government, of course, has a different story about this. And we asked him because what is particularly interesting is

that Ammond Bundy is not from here either. He is coming from out of state. He has taken over land. He is not from this area. He says he's doing this

in the name of the local people here.

But the local people haven't come out in big numbers to join him either. So, it is an interesting scenario that will play out in the coming

days as the federal government and the police start to make their move.

LU STOUT: Yeah, Sara Sidner reporting right where it's happening, just outside Burns, Oregon. Many thanks indeed for that update, Sara.

Now, here in Hong Kong, people are demanding answers over the disappearance of nearly half a dozen booksellers all reportedly critical of

China's Communist Party.

Now, after the break we have a report on the police investigation into the missing vendors.

Also ahead, charged allegations are exchanged between South China Sea neighbors. We've the details of a new territorial feud that has pit

Vietnam against China.

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[08:15:19] LU STOUT: Another beautiful night here in Hong Kong. Coming to you live from the territory, you're back watching News Stream.

And here in Hong Kong, the big news, the mysterious disappearance of now five people, all connected to one publisher. Now, 65-year-old Lee Bo

is the latest to be reported missing. He's a shareholder of a book store that sells sensitive titles about political scandals in China.

Now, the shop is owned by the publishing house, Mighty Current, whose owner and three other associates also reportedly vanished last year.

Now, activists took to the streets over the weekend to press the government for answers. And some believe they have been abducted by

security agents from Mainland China. But Hong Kong CY Leung says that there is no evidence of that.

Now my colleague Ivan Watson has been following the story for us. Ivan, what have you learned about this latest disappearance? And what is

Hong Kong's top leader saying about it?

IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this kind of -- came to prominence here because the wife of missing Bo, she went on air,

basically, on local television and said my husband is missing. I think he's been abducted. He made a phone call from a phone that had a number

from Mainland China, that she believed he was in the city of Shenzhen just across the border from Hong Kong and yet he had not taken his travel

documents with him.

So, how could he have potentially gotten there. So that's what has triggered some of the

excitement about this. There was another small protest organized by lawmakers outside the liaison office of the central government of China.

And that's where I caught up with one lawmaker who voiced some of his concerns. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALAN LEONG, HONG KONG LEGISLATOR: What we are worried about is not only the personal safety of Hong Kong citizens, but also such acts could be

threats to the freedom of expression and freedom of publication that we are supposed to enjoy and we have been promised by the basic

law.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WATSON: Now, Kristie, the Hong Kong authorities seem to be taking this quite seriously. They organized a hastily organized press conference

and that's where the top official made this statement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CY LEONG, HONG KONG CHIEF EXECUTIVE: The freedom of press and freedom of publication and freedom of expression are protected by laws in Hong

Kong. Only legal enforcement agencies in Hong Kong have the legal authority to enforce laws in Hong Kong. No other law enforcement agencies

outside of Hong Kong has such authority.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WATSON: It was really interesting. The top official here repeating again and again that only police in Hong Kong can carry out arrests of any

kind because there is real concern there out on the streets that perhaps there's a scenario that law enforcement from China

could have come down and carried out a possible arrest, even though there's been no evidence to back that up yet.

LU STOUT: Very revealing what we heard from CY Leung talking about law being enforced

in Hong Kong by Hong Kong police, and that other quote that we heard from the pro-democracy Hong

Kong lawmaker. It seems that, and correct me if I'm wrong here, the protesters who are out and about today and yesterday, they are upset not

because of these disappearances taking place, but the larger issue it represents, about the erosion of one country, two systems: Hong Kong's

relative autonomy? Is that right?

WATSON: Absolutely. And it gets back to this sensitive that some people have here, that Hong Kong is technically part of China, but it has a

completely different set of rules. The people who were publishing these books, they are books that are banned in Mainland China. There's an

industry here of publishers, of book sellers, that publish these books that, in the case of this specific publishing house, really target and are

quite sensational about spreading dirt, basically, about the Chinese leadership.

And the main customers for these books, as I spoke to book shop owners today, are visitors from Mainland China who essentially smuggle these books

back in to China.

So, there's a whole trade here and the concern on the one hand is maybe somebody is being punished for doing something the mainland

authorities don't like. Another concern possibly that the freedoms that the city continues to enjoy, that this could be signs again, as you've

mentioned, of erosion of these freedoms that Hong Kong enjoys, it's something that some people here are very, very sensitive about.

LU STOUT: Yeah, another new wrinkle to this ongoing story of tension between Mainland China and Hong Kong.

Ivan Watson, thank you so much for that.

Now, amid the speculation about these disappearances, China's state run tabloid, The Global Times, is hitting back. It accuses Lee's book

store of, quote, causing troubles to Mainland China and says it is taking advantage of mainland visitors in Hong Kong by selling them banned books.

It goes on to slam the book store for damaging harmony in China. It says this, quote, "to think that one country, two systems is under threat

all the time and that people need a magnifying glass to look at all the details, that is biased."

Now one country, two systems, we just mentioned it. We heard it just then with Ivan Watson's reporting, it's the fundamental principle that

underlies Hong Kong's return to Chinese rule. When Britain agreed in 1984 to hand over the colony back to China, it was stated that Hong Kong would

maintain its own legal system for 50 years.

Since the transition of power in 1997 the city has been run by its own mini constitution and

enjoys freedoms not seen in Mainland China.

But over the years, there has been growing concern that Beijing is trying to change that. In 2014, Hong Kongers occupied several major

streets calling for the right to vote for their next leader without interference from Beijing. Hong Kong's constitution, it expires in 2047.

And it is not known what will happen to Hong Kong after that.

Now, China sets off anger in disputed waters in the South China Sea with its latest test flight. After the break, a report from Beijing about

what kind of fallout is expected from one enraged neighbor.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:25:04] LU STOUT; Now, China says it stands by its decision to conduct test flight on a new air strip on land it built up in disputed

territory of the South China Sea. Now, Vietnam says it seriously violates its sovereignty of the Spratly Islands.

Now this is where the disputed flight took place, it took place on a new airport on the fiery crossreef. And China has rejected Vietnam's

claim. The foreign ministry says that the flight was conducted entirely within its sovereign territory.

Now keep in mind, this is just the latest incident in a series of messy territorial claims in the South China Sea. And for more on this, CNN

correspondent Matt Rivers joins me now live from Beijing.

And Matt, Vietnam, again he says that this action by China is a serious infringement of its sovereignty and China is not really giving an

adequate response to Vietnam, at least in the eyes of Vietnam.

MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. And China really is giving the exact

same response that it gives every single time one of these issues comes up. Vietnam just the latest country to accuse China of violating its

territorial sovereignty. They can be added to a list that includes The Philippines and even Japan. Japan coming out earlier today, its government

issuing a statement saying they, too, are upset with the latest test flight.

But china repeats the same thing that every time this happens, they say they view what they are doing in the South China Sea, building,

reclaiming all of this land and building these new airports, these new runways, as within their own territorial claims. They say their claims to

this area of the South China Sea goes back to ancestral times for them and so this is just the latest incident of China holding its ground and saying

this is something we think we have the right to do.

LU STOUT: China holding its ground, also saying it's not just us, you know, a number of Asian countries have build air strips in the South China

Sea. You've got Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia doing it. but how does China's buildup compare?

RIVERS: Well, just like everything else that China does, it has on a much bigger scale than the other southeastern Asian colleagues here, other

countries if you will. China's reclamation project here, according to officials from the United States, they say that china has reclaimed some

2,000 acres of land in this part of the South China Sea and because of that, because they are building projects are so much larger, their

capabilities, what they are able to do on the runways is that much larger.

So, according to a lot of think tanks in this area talking about -- experts talking about this subject, China's ability to launch bigger

aircraft that could include military bombers up to because of the size of these runways, that would make the big differentiator

between what China is doing and what its smaller neighbors simply can't because their runways, their reclamation projects are just not as big.

LU STOUT: Matt Rivers reporting on new tensions in the South China Sea. Many thanks indeed for that update. Take care.

You're watching News Stream. Still ahead on the program, we've got the latest on the U.S. race for president. The new attacks Donald Trump is

launching just weeks before the first contest. Keep it here.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(HEADLINES)

[08:31:45] LU STOUT: We are now exactly four weeks away from the first contest in the race for U.S. president. Now, the candidates making

bid for the White House are gearing up for their final push before the Iowa caucuses. It will be the first opportunity for voters to decide which

candidate they'll nominate to run for their party in the presidential election.

Now, the Republican front-runner Donald Trump is stepping up his personal attacks on his chief

democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, and her husband, former President Bill Clinton. Now Trump spoke to CNN's Chris Cuomo.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know many people in the Clinton campaign. The last person they wants to run against is Donald

Trump.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: but what does that have to do with you bringing Bill Clinton's sex life up?

TRUMP: Well, it's very simple. They, during the course of the debate and many other times, she was talking about -- she used the word sexist.

I'm sexist. And she was using very derogatory terms. I said how the hell can she do that when she has one of the great women abusers of all time

sitting at her house waiting for her to come home for dinner.

CUOMO: Why do you call him one of the great women abusers of all time when in the past you've said that the impeachment process against him and

Monica Lewinsky didn't make sense.

TRUMP: Chris, as a businessman I get along with everybody. So, it was always important to

defend people when -- it was important for me to get along with the Clintons, whether she was a senator.

CUOMO: Right, but it sounds like your morality shifts based on your motivation?

TRUMP: No. No, as one of the magazines recently said Trump was a world and is a world -- well, I guess I'm not now because I'm supposed to

be a politician, but it's a bad name, being a politician is a little bit of a bad name to me frankly. But I guess that's what I am.

But when I was a businessman, they said I was a great businessman, a world class businessman. I got along with Clinton. I got along with

everybody.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Donald Trump there speaking to CNN's Chris Cuomo earlier.

Now, CNN's Athena Jones joins me now live from New Hampshire. And Athena, the presidential race is now kicking into high gear. What is the

state of play in not New Hampshire where you are right now, but in the very first state up, the early state of Iowa where the caucuses are due to start

four weeks from now?

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kristie Lu. That's right. This is a new phase being kicked off today. The holidays are over. Voters are

paying a lot closer attention in some cases. If you look at the state of Iowa, right now, Ted Cruz is in the lead in many polls on the Republican

side. But right here in New Hampshire, Donald Trump is the one leading.

The thing is, we've been talking about opinion polls, surveys. A few weeks from now we'll talk

about voters going to the actual polls or to the caucuses and making their selections.

So candidates are ramping up their activity. In many cases it's becoming more heated and more

personal.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JONES: Just four weeks from the first contest in the 2016 presidential election.

TRUMP: If we win Iowa, I think we're going to win everything after that.

JONES: GOP candidates scrambling to build momentum ahead of the high- stakes Iowa caucuses.

JEB BUSH, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump, I don't believe, is going to be the party's nominee. If he is, he's going to get crushed by

Hillary Clinton.

JONES: As Jeb Bush grapples with dwindling poll numbers, Trump leads the pack, accusing his biggest Iowa rival Ted Cruz of copying his

immigration plan.

[08:35:08] TRUMP: He said, we will build a wall, the first time I've ever heard him saying it. and I'm the one who came up with him.

JONES: Trump slamming Cruz on religion in the battle over evangelical voters. TRUMP: Cuba generally speaking is a Catholic country, and you don't

equate evangelicals with Cuba.

BILL CLINTON, 42nd PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: She's the best qualified person for the job.

JONES: And as President Clinton readies to hit the campaign trail, Trump taking digs at Secretary Clinton, drudging up her husband's past,

tweeting Saturday, "I hope Bill Clinton starts talking about women's issues so that voters can see what a hypocrite he is, and how Hillary abused those

women." And Sunday night, tweeting, "The worst thing Hillary can do is have her husband campaign for her. Just watch."

After appearing in this terror propaganda video, Trump pointing the finger back at his Democratic rival in front of a crowd in Biloxi.

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama.

JONES: Shrugging off what critics say is his anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Meanwhile, the Carson campaign struggles to overcome a major shakeup. Three top aides resigning in one day.

BEN CARSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now we're in a different ballgame. And we need the ability to execute.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JONES: Now given the calendar, this is not the time when you want to be having to make big

adjustments to your campaign. But of course, a lot can happen in a month's time and we will be everywhere we can be watching it all up close --

Kristie.

LU STOUT: And ahead of that first caucus, you know, Trump he is on the attack. He's pretty personal attacks too. But Iowa and the caucuses

there, that is going to be a big test for Donald Trump. Do you think conservatives there will be on side with him and they'll appreciate his

brash style of politics? How is he going to do that?

JONES: Well, that is a very big question. I think it's one reason we've begun to see Ted Cruz emerge as more of a leader in this state of

Iowa. Iowa is a state known as Iowa nice, that's a phrase used to describe folks from Iowa, not necessarily the kind of people that you would think

would be attracted to Trump's brashness and outspokenness, you can call it rude certainly.

Donald Trump has been leading in a big way in national polls and he's leading here. So the question becomes, what happens on Iowa caucus night.

Is he going to be able to turn in the support, the strong support he does have in Iowa? Will he be able to pull out a win or will he come in second

to Ted Cruz? And what happens if he doesn't win in Iowa.

So, that's why it's going to be so interesting just a few weeks from now because we'll finally know whether the polls were right and who comes

out on top. And certainly for Donald Trump, if he doesn't do well in Iowa, either win or come in second, that could really

change the course of the race for him.

And it will be interesting to see how he reacts since he sees himself as a winner and everyone else as a loser -- Kristie Lu.

LU STOUT: Got it. Yeah, and of course after Iowa comes a contest in New Hampshire. Athena Jones reporting there. Thank you.

Now, you're watching News Stream. Still to come on the program, we've got a new look into

the fascinating life of Steve Jobs. CNN talks to the man behind a new documentary on the Apple founder.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:40:05] LU STOUT: Now more than four years after his death, Steve Jobs continues to fascinate people around the world. Now the Apple founder

is the subject of at least two movies. And with a new documentary coming up, CNN's Brian Stelter asked the director if he's found anything new about

the legendary man.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEX GIBNEY, DIRECTOR: I think what they don't know about Steve Jobs are the curious contradictions of his character and also how those

contradictions actually migrated to the machines that he promoted and made.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Give me an example of a contradiction.

GIBNEY: Well, we've got Apple products all around us, but particularly the iPhone. On the one hand, it's an extension of ourselves,

it connects us, but it also in the words of Sherry Turkle (ph) makes us alone together. Now our muscles in our necks are changing because we're

spending so much time looking down at these devices.

STELTER: Is that true? Our muscles in our necks are changing?

GIBNEY: Well, that's the way it feels like.

STELTER: It does feel like that.

GIBNEY: Soon, evolutionary we may be like this in a few thousand years.

So, I think that that's the interesting contradiction, it's a sense of connection but with a guy who

had difficulty with human connections, it's kind of baked into the machine in a funny way.

STELTER: Steve Jobs changed media in so many ways. And I wonder if that influenced your decision to make a documentary about him. You know,

without Steve Jobs we wouldn't have an iTunes store, we wouldn't have an iPhone, of course. Maybe we wouldn't all be reading and watching TV on our

iPads.

GIBNEY: I suppose so. I think what struck me -- the reason I wanted to make the doc was I was interested in what happened when he died. And

when he died, people around the world, millions of people who didn't know him from Adam, were weeping.

STELTER: And you start the film that way asking that fundamental question of why so many people mourned his death.

GIBNEY: What was it that created this affect for people? And I think it went beyond the machines. I think in a way it was he was at the

beginning of the idea of the personal computer. He helped invent the idea of the personal computer, the connection between man and machine, which is

the subtitle of the film. And I think he grew up showing us that relationship and so when he was gone, it was like that relationship might

be broken.

STELTER: People are going to ask you, this is an anti-Steve Jobs documentary?

GIBNEY: It's not an anti-Steve Jobs documentary. It's a kind of meditation on Jobs and what he means to us. And so there's a lot that I

think I find very important and valuable about Steve Jobs but I think there's a certain amount of course correcting that we need to do, because

his values weren't the values of the plucky startup, the kind of counter cultural figure he liked to imagine himself as. He started out taking on

the man, by the end he was the man.

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LU STOUT: And that was our Brian Stelter speaking to Alex Gibney, the director of the upcoming documentary "Steve Jobs, the man in the machine."

And that is News Stream. I'm Kristie Lu Stout, but don't go anywhere. World Sport with Alex Thomas is next.

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