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[10:00:20] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: A Muslim woman kicked out of a Donald Trump rally, the crowd you see here booing and heckling her. Now one group is demanding Trump apologize.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was really quite telling and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd.

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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Plus, new information, the world's most wanted drug lord, El Chapo, captured in a deadly shootout. Where is he today? He's back in the same prison from which he escaped. And now his family is reacting this morning.

BLACKWELL: And a Philadelphia police officer survives an attack by a gunman who says he was acting in the name of ISIS. This morning, fellow officers are speaking out about how their colleague survived.

CNN Newsroom begins right now.

PAUL: It is so good to have your company with us. I'm Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you. It's 10:00 on the east coast. Thanks for starting your day with us.

This morning thousands of protesters are chanting in Cologne, Germany. Take a look at the video we have here for you, waving flags and demonstrating over the New Year's Eve sex assaults that have rocked that country.

PAUL: And one group of protestors are furious after German authorities said of the 31 people identified in those attacks, 18 of them are seeking asylum. They are refugees essentially. CNN correspondent Atika Shubert, live with us from Cologne. We saw it get a little dicey, earlier, Atika. What is it like there now?

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, in terms of keeping the two groups apart, police are succeeding in doing that. But this is a right wing protest. They are a movement against refugees coming in and allowing migrants. And as you can see, it has gotten a bit dicier here. We have had bottles being thrown at police. We are keeping a slight distance away. As you can see, the flags that they have there, a number of them with German flags up, with regional flags as well. Riot police have ringed them here, and they've warned protesters that they cannot let off any fireworks. They must not wear any face coverings. And there's been a few scuffles with police, and they have now brought in, I will pull you around to take a look. Sorry, there are some bottles being thrown here at the moment. So we might have to move back.

That, as you can see over there, that blue truck is a water cannon. It is being put into position. That is a firecracker. They have been letting these firecrackers off all day. It is one way for these protesters to cause chaos and disorder to intimidate people, but really it is just a loud sound. It's not really a danger to anybody nearby at this point. But it also allows them to scuffle with police a bit, cause some disorder and push forward and so forth.

So this is the situation it has been like over here on the side of the right wing protesters. But as you seek with the water cannon, we now understand that other riot gear such as horses may also have been brought in. The police may be getting ready to disburse this rally.

In terms of the size, we are looking at about several hundred rightwing protesters here, roughly around 300 to 500. Perhaps that is much smaller than the 1,300 of the left wing protesters on the other side of the train station. But it is a very challenging police environment now. The police are just trying to keep the tensions down and disperse protesters as safely and quickly as possible. Christi and Victor?

PAUL: Atika, you were talking about bottles being thrown, the water cannons there. We heard the fire crackers going off. The train station, we were noticing last hour, people were walking out of the train station probably not even realizing what they were walking into. Are there plans to close that station and try to close off a little more of the perimeter there?

SHUBERT: In fact, since I last spoke to you they cleared out that area. And I went into the police station. They were not allowing anybody in unless they had specific tickets. They even closed off the bathrooms. And I saw riot police in the bathrooms doing checks of the stalls, making sure there were no provocateurs or instigators inside. So they are taking some very serious measures to make sure that there is nobody instigating violence. It is already so tense on the streets.

These announcements that they have been making --

PAUL: Go ahead, go ahead, what are they saying?

[10:05:00] SHUBERT: Basically, they have been announcing to people that they need to stop a lot of these actions, the firecrackers and so forth, and that they are planning to stop this rally and disperse it unless this kind of activity stops. What they were supposed to do was actually march through here, but they actually have only stopped a few meters into the march because it was getting so rowdy and police are afraid it will get out of control, Christi.

PAUL: I am trying to get a sense of how you feel there. Do you feel safe? Do you feel there are enough police officers and folks in riot gear that there are enough who can control the situation if it does get out of hand?

SHUBERT: There is a very heavy security presence here, a lot of riot police. In fact I am just hearing now a helicopter overhead. There are roughly around 2,000 police on the streets here. That's almost one for every protester. So there really is enough police out here. But that's not going to stop anybody who is trying to provoke violence. They are still going to try and find a way to throw bottles and so forth.

So every now and then somebody throws a fire work or a beer bottle, as you've seen over here. I should point out that a number of the protesters here have been drinking, for example, and that only exacerbates the situation.

But this is the kind of thing that police have to deal with, this kind of harassment by protesters as they try and keep the calm, try and keep the tensions under control. And this is also why they have brought in the water cannon and they've put it into position to warn protesters that they would use it if this kind of thing continues to happen. It looks like we might have somebody injured here actually, unfortunately.

PAUL: Atika, I don't know if you can hear me.

SHUBERT: Yes, we do have somebody injured here. This is the problem. We have projectiles being thrown around and fireworks going off. So it is very volatile. More warnings by police what will happen with the continuing fire crackers and bottles.

BLACKWELL: Is there any way --

SHUBERT: We have a very serious scuffle happening over here. I don't know if you can see that, but there is quite a serious scuffle happening over there. The police have surged forward to push them back. We can see a number of bottles being thrown out towards the police, and the water cannon also moving forward to push the crowds back. This is all part of the effort now to disperse these right wing protesters. You can see -- I don't know if you can see those bottles flying. Those are essentially being thrown by a lot of these angry protestors.

Go ahead, Christi.

PAUL: Atika, I just wanted to ask you, have you talked to any of the protesters to fully understand what points they want to make today?

SHUBERT: Yes. There is a lot of anger. And this is what this is. This is a lot of anger. And what these assaults have done is they have fed into the fears of people, and it's given them an excuse, an opportunity to come out on to the streets like this and vent their frustrations, their fears and their anger. They're using beer bottles that are being thrown, using fireworks, using slogans and big signs that say "Refugees not welcome." One of them said "Refugees not welcome." So there is that boiling anger that is now surfacing. For this, I should point out, is a small segment of German society. But it is a very vocal one. On the other side of the station, we see 1,700 protesters in support of those victims of the assaults, in support of continuing to open the door to refugees. But what this kind of tension shows is that deep divide in society.

BLACKWELL: Is this, Atika, contained to this single street, this single intersection? How broad is this group? Are they spread across several blocks? It is difficult to tell from this camera angle.

SHUBERT: It is actually fairly contained. This is only contained, it is contained to just a few hundred. You can see the water cannon now in use. They sort of sprayed quite a number of the protesters. There is the water. This is their way of saying move out of the way, stop this protest. We will disperse if this behavior is continuing. You can see the water cannon spraying directly into the crowd to get them to move, to get them to disperse as soon as possible.

[10:10:00] This intersection here is very close to the train station. You can see the train over there. They are kind of pushing them back towards the train station to an area where I think they can try and get them to disperse a bit more. Go ahead, Christi.

PAUL: I just wanted you to mention, you had spoken to several of the protesters. Did they tell you what they want to get out of what they are doing today?

SHUBERT: Yes. Everybody is here with a different agenda and a different aim. I'm going to walk forward so we can get a better sense of what's going on.

PAUL: Please be careful.

SHUBERT: Basically, a lot of the leftwing protesters say they want to show solidarity with the victims, they want to see the police do more. But at the same time, they want to continue to keep the door open to refugees and to migrants. And what they want to see is more law enforcement and more explanation to refugees of the laws here and how they will be enforced.

What the right wing group wants to see is to completely close the door to refugees and migrants and not allow anyone in, and for those that are here possibly also to move out, especially anybody who has broken the law. They feel they must be deported immediately. So these are what the protesters have been telling us.

But what really a lot of the protests have focused on is almost fighting with each other and also taking their anger out on police. And I have to say a lot is directed for police for apparently losing control of the streets on New Year's Eve. And the police are perhaps the ones under the most pressure today with scenes like this, Christie. BLACKWELL: We want to welcome our viewers who are joining us around

the world as we are now simulcasting on CNN International. Atika, you mentioned the anger that is focused on the police department. We know the Cologne police chief was dismissed yesterday. As it relates to what we are seeing today, though, have we seen any arrests? You reported that bottles have been thrown and there have fireworks that have been thrown. But as we see more riot police run by you, have there been arrests of any of these protesters?

SHUBERT: Not that I know of. But it is likely that has already happened already that anybody they've extracted from the crowd anyone they feel is an instigator. But I have not had confirmation from police at this point of any particular arrest.

What you just saw were riot police, more reinforcements being brought in carrying pepper spray. So quite often in situations like this, they will use pepper spray to disable anybody they feel is being particularly provocative, that is challenging police in that way, and particularly as you saw those beer bottles being thrown and firecrackers being let off.

PAUL: We hear the helicopter.

SHUBERT: We are supposed to stay here for now.

PAUL: What is the helicopter?

SHUBERT: There is a helicopter overhead keeping an eye on the situation. I believe it is a police helicopter overhead just sort of monitoring the crowds. Because in addition of course to the several hundred protesters you have there -- that was another firework being let off -- you do have a lot of bystanders. Remember, this is a huge intersection with trains and people are trying to get to trains, coming off of trains. So they are very concerned about public safety and they are trying to keep any bystanders to the public away from them. You can see also there is that bridge overlooking a number of bystanders looking there.

And in addition to these 300 or so protesters, of course, the left wing protesters are still on the other side with another more than 1,000 over there. So the challenge is to disperse these protesters while preventing them from moving towards their opposing groups over there and crashing. This is, frankly, one of the most challenging situations the police force can deal with. And this is why this he have roughly about 2,000 police on the streets today to try and keep some order.

PAUL: We see the contingent of police right now that I believe this is a video of the police on the other side that you were referring to where there are more than 1,000 protesters on the other side of where you are. Do you know if there are other police that may be plain- clothed or who may be trying to congregation inside these groups of people?

SHUBERT: Absolutely. In fact I have seen a number of plain-clothed officers in there. We're going to attempt to walk around here so that we get into a safer position where we can simultaneously also get a better view of what's happening. Here we go.

But basically, yes. There are a number of different policing methods that they can use to try and control the crowds. Here we are just going to go across here as we try and get a better view. But basically, they have plain-clothed officers in the crowds that will go in and extract anybody they feel is stirring up trouble, perhaps distributing bottles and so forth, any kind of projectiles that can be thrown. So this is a very common method.

[10:15:02] But mostly we have been seeing a lot of these riot police. You might be able to see them there. I will ask my cameraman to put his camera on the shoulder so you can see a little better view of what's happening.

Now, they have two water cannons who are in position there to force the crowds back. They also have got a lot more reinforcements in terms of riot police, again, pushing the crowds back towards the station. I think that is in order to control the crowd more and get them into one area where they can be slowly dispersed and they can bring the tensions down. There is a risk in that, however, because there are a number of still more than 1,000 leftwing protesters on the other side. So there is the possibility of a clash there. But it does seem to have died down considerably. We don't see any more of those bottles being thrown, so hopefully police have been able to get better control of the situation now.

BLACKWELL: Atika Shubert, we are going to stay with these pictures. But it's the quarter hour now. For people who are just joining us, what we are seeing now are the clashes of two protests, a protest against refugees coming into the country centered around the New Year's Eve attacks, 170 reports of criminal activity, 120 of them from women who were groped or assaulted. Police have identified 31 suspects, 18 of them refugees. So what you saw today was a large protest there in Cologne of people who do not want these refugees from Syria coming into the country and into their city, and a counter protest of those who are saying the refugees are welcome. And now we're seeing, and this has gone on for hours, police now trying to disperse the anti-refugee, if I can use that term, protest, and to try to keep the other protest contained. And I know at this hour, we are getting close to dusk, Atika.

SHUBERT: That's right. It is getting close to dusk. You can see it in the light here. And of course as night falls, it makes it much more difficult for police to control the situation as well. I think what they are hoping to do is probably get them into an area and then slowly start getting those numbers reduced and in that way bring the tensions down a little bit.

But the fear, of course, is that when people disperse, then opposing groups tend to clash in smaller groups in other parts of the surrounding area. So it is unfortunately probably going to be a tough night for police. Even when these protests die down you could still have small groups looking for a fight as they go around the city.

Actually I'm going to swing the camera around, because you can see in addition to those you have got a number of riot police on horseback as well. This is a very common strategy to try and control the crowds. Horses often brought in to cut through and direct the crowds where they will be safer.

So it really is a city at this point on high alert. There they are on the move now. Because when you have so many hundreds of people out on the streets like this, it can be very difficult to ensure safety. But police, there are about 2,000 out on the street. That's about one for every protester. So they have clearly prepared knowing that people are angry, trying to keep the tension at a manageable level, Victor.

BLACKWELL: Atika Shubert, we are going to stay with your pictures. But we want to bring in Harry Houck, CNN law enforcement analyst and former NYPD detective. Do we have Harry?

PAUL: Harry?

BLACKWELL: I understand Harry can hear us. Harry, what is your assessment of what you are seeing there on the streets of Cologne as they are trying to keep this from escalating?

HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: The fact that the police have got to maintain some type of control. And if there is any type of violence towards the police, the police have got to move. And I see they have been using water canyons against some of the protesters. And hopefully that might convince some of them to leave. It's cold outside. You wet them down a little bit, maybe they want to go home, hopefully. So what you have to do is keep them contained but in an area where they can escape from so they can go home and leave the area. That's one of the most important things when you come on a crowd like this with police officers trying to maintain civility somehow in the crowd.

PAUL: Harry, we have seen, we were talking earlier about whether Atika has seen any arrests. I believe that we saw some in the last few minutes as they took some people into custody. When you have a large group of people like this and people taking some into custody, is that a way to disperse that crowd and diffuse the situation a little bit. Or could it agitate people?

[10:20:06] HOUCK: Well, listen, you have to take action when you see a crime being committed. If you are throwing something at the police, the police aren't there -- they're not punching bags. The fact that if you don't go in there and make an arrest, then the crowd will see you or the violent people in the crowd say listen, there is no arrests being made, so why don't I grab a brick or why don't I do something, because the police aren't moving in. So actually if the police move in and the agitators in the crowd see arrests are being made, then they might think, saying to themselves, listen, I'm going to get locked up here. So maybe I shouldn't get involved in being any more violent in this riot that's going on here.

PAUL: And how important, in your opinion, is it to contain this situation before nightfall?

HOUCK: Night is really hard to control, basically, because it just gets dark. So the police definitely want to maintain this situation, hopefully get these people out of there and split them apart so they go their separate ways, because once it gets dark then the problem is a lot of times these agitators, what they will do is split up between certain sections like what we saw in Baltimore and Ferguson where they go to separate areas and commit violence in separate areas like that and it is harder for the police to control. So the best thing to do is to try and break this up, get people to go home and stop the violence from happening.

BLACKWELL: Back to Atika for a final thought here. When we were with you last, we saw the riot police on the move, the water cannon on the move. We heard the fireworks. Does it seem this has calmed down a bit, has deescalated, or are they still on the move to disperse this crowd?

SHUBERT: No, it has calmed down quite a bit. You can still hear the helicopter overhead. We're a bit closer now. You see the two water cannons there side by side and a number of the flags. They have kind of moved them back to their original position. And, again, this is an area just as your guest was saying, where they are contained but there are enough exits so they can slowly sort of draw people back home, get out of the crowd, hopefully, to cool off in another area or back home. That is the ideal plan. We are not at that stage yet. What they have done is simply contain them in this area. We don't hear as many fireworks or see any bottles being thrown, so that's a good sign. But it is going to be tough work for the hours ahead for the police.

BLACKWELL: Atika Shubert there for us covering these breaking details in Cologne. Harry Houck, our law enforcement analyst, thank you both. We will continue to watch these pictures and check back in as police try to disperse this crowd, these counter protest in Cologne after the New Year's Eve attacks. We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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[10:25:37] BLACKWELL: All right, another look there at the train station which is the center of these protests in Cologne. Some protests coming after the New Year's Eve assault, 120 reports of women groped and assaulted. And thousands of people there showed up to tell the government that they did not want, they do not want the Syrian refugees in their city.

There was a counter protest to tell the refugees that they are welcome. While there has been a slash this afternoon, riot police there in full force. Our Atika Shubert has been reporting live there all morning and afternoon. Fireworks there, bottles thrown, and now water cannons being used to disperse the crowds, hopefully keep everything calm before night falls pretty soon. We are just hours, maybe minutes from dusk. We will continue to watch the pictures and the breaking news in Cologne and get you the very latest. Christi?

PAUL: We have that other big story that we are following this morning, Victor. Mexico's most wanted drug kingpin sitting in a maximum security prison this morning. That is the same prison from which he escaped six months ago. We have new video of his capture. We want to show it to you here. After that deadly shootout and a frantic chase through sewers when he tried to escape through that manhole. Last night he was paraded in front of the media. Take a look that this as security there and those officers force him to look at the cameras before they transport him back to the prison under their high security.

CNN's Latin-American affairs editor Rafael Romo is with us now. And Rafael, I understand that his family is reacting to his arrest now.

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN LATIN-AMERICAN AFFAIRS EDITOR: It was quite amazing. President Enrique Pena Nieto tweeted, he broke the news to the world saying "mission accomplished," and almost immediately, one of his sons tweeted back threatening, warning, insulting not only the president but also the security forces who were responsible for capturing Joaquin Guzman. The president said, "mission accomplished," immediately, one of his sons, Chapo's sons, I mean, on Twitter, started using all sorts of expletives to protest about what the Mexican forces had done.

The other thing that caught my attention, Christi, is that in one of the messages, listen to this, they say, "I can be a saint if you are dealing fairly with me, but otherwise I'm poison and the government will soon know about the Guzmans."

I don't know about you but this sounds to me like a very, very unveiled threat.

PAUL: I was going to say, is there any reaction from the government, or is there an arrest out for either of the sons for any sort of threats?

ROMO: There's no reaction at all from the Mexican government. As a matter of fact there has been no way to ask any Mexican official a question. The press availability that they have had has only been announcements both from the president who did it earlier yesterday afternoon, and also the attorney general. So there was no possibility of asking a question.

Now, about the two sons. They are believed to be, indeed, the sons of Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman. But there are no cases against them. They are no cases against them, so they can say whatever they want to say and protest the way they have been doing for the last 20 hours or so.

PAUL: It is always so dramatic, no doubt about it. And the capture this time around was just as dramatic as well. It almost reads like a movie script.

ROMO: Funny you mentioned a movie script because Mexico authorities are saying that one of the reasons why he was caught was because Chapo became reckless. He, through his associates, started calling Mexican movie producers, actresses. And his idea, just to give you an idea about the kind of ego that this man has, his idea was to have a movie made about himself.

And what the Mexican attorney general was saying was that through those phone calls, we were able to trace the original calls between El Chapo and his attorneys, his representatives. And that's how we first found out where he was more or less back in October. And if you remember, there was an incident in which El Chapo barely escaped. He was injured back in October.

[10:30:03] So for the last three months, they have been following him closely. But it was not until yesterday that they were able to pinpoint a location in the state of Sinaloa.

PAUL: Thank you so much, Rafael. We appreciate the update on all of that. Victor?

BLACKWELL: A Philadelphia police officer is recovering at a local hospital this morning after being shot three times in what police are calling an ISIS-inspired attack.

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CAPTAIN JAMES CLARK, PHILADELPHIA POLICE HOMICIDE UNIT: He stated that he pledges his allegiance to Islamic State and he follows Allah, and that is the reason he was called on to do this.

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BLACKWELL: Philadelphia Police officer Jesse Hartnett was seriously wounded. But somehow he managed to chase the suspect, Edward Archer, even shooting him before Archer was apprehended by other officers. And now the investigation focuses on possible terror ties as the FBI released new details about the suspected gunman. Miguel Marquez is live in Philadelphia following the story. Miguel, what have you learned?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Authorities are looking into everything regarding the life of Edward Archer. But the really amazing part of this story is how this 33-year-old officer, Jesse Hartnett, was able to survive. He was on routine patrol in west Philadelphia when he was flagged down by an individual. His window was down. As soon as he stopped, that's when Edward Archer began to shoot, pulled out that 9 millimeter semiautomatic handgun and began to shoot, moving toward the window at one point, his hand was all the way in officer Hartnett's window shooting at least 11 times, hitting him three times.

And then this is where the story goes from shocking to incredible. Officer Hartnett, not detoured, gets out of his car, chases the suspect, is able to shoot him once in the butt so that officers are able to arrest him later on. All while bleeding profusely and speaking to the dispatcher all at the same time, telling him his condition and telling him where the assailant is.

His father, Robert Hartnett, spoke about his son.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are his spirits?

ROBERT HARTNETT, FATHER OF OFFICER JESSE HARTNETT: His spirits are positive. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And did you get this call last night to come

right here?

HARTNETT: Yes, they knocked on my door and were ringing my phone, and I looked up and I had seen the Philadelphia police. They were excellent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did they say to you?

HARTNETT: There has been an incident. He is in the hospital and they didn't want to give me much information until I got here. They were very thorough. Excellent response. It scared me.

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MARQUEZ: Now, one of those bullets shattered a bone in his left arm. Another one severed an artery. He has severe nerve damage. So it will be some time before he is back up and at it, but amazing he has survived.

The authorities now going through the home serving warrants on every address of Edward Archer throughout the area, trying to understand whether his claims of pledging allegiance to ISIS, and that's the reason he did it, whether there is any substance to it. Was he in contact with anyone in the U.S. or outside or was he just essentially a self-radicalized lone wolf? Back to you.

BLACKWELL: All right, Miguel Marquez in Philadelphia for us. Thank you so much. Let's bring in Harry Houck. He's a CNN law enforcement analyst and former NYPD detective, been with us all hour. Harry, let's start with what we heard from a naval investigator analyst who was speaking with Christie last hour who said it really doesn't matter much if people are mentally unstable or if they are following ISIS, and sometimes it is too difficult to determine where the line is. But the threat is everywhere. Is that how you see it?

HOUCK: I mean, police officers can be ambushed any time. I think there was something like 15 in 2014. And I think the last count I had was eight in 2015, although the new statistics aren't out yet. But police officers, this is the biggest fear of a police officer. We know when we go into a scene or to a crime, we know what we are facing. But this heroic officer in Philadelphia who was just making a turn, and a guy runs up to him on the street and fires into the radio car, that's our biggest fear, because the element of surprise is there for the bad guy and not for the cop. And the fact is the first couple of shots that you get off there that happened to this officer, he was still able to get out of that radio car and still fire back. I mean, these are heroic actions here. Now, what we need to do with the police department here is train officers on how to react in certain situations like this.

BLACKWELL: Yes. We heard in the 911 call the man was bleeding heavily but still trying to defend himself and stop this attacker.

[10:35:00] How does this change the job, though? How does it change the job? HOUCK: Well, listen, it really doesn't change the job. The fact is

this is the second attack on police officers. I think it was October, 2014 in New York City we had a hatchet attack against four police officers in midtown. That was also a self-inspired terrorist type person here in the United States. You see the same thing here.

Now, I don't think that this is probably an attack that was operationally put together by ISIS because you are attacking a strong target here. The fact is this officer was able to return fire, hit the suspect, put him down, and he was captured. So it is probably going to turn out this guy is a lone wolf, self-inspired, read some stuff on the Internet. And he also might have some kind of psychological problems. Also the fact is his mother said he had been talking to himself and acting strange for the last week or so.

BLACKWELL: As we have learned over the last several years, the self- radicalized are the most difficult to detect before the attack.

HOUCK: Right. And this guy has also been locked up several times. What happened was I think he has got seven arrests in the last three years. He had one arrest for carrying a gun. He got two years for that but they let him out on parole. This guy should be in jail.

BLACKWELL: We're still trying to determine if this was mental illness, if this was ISIS inspired, if this was neither or a combination of both.

HOUCK: Exactly.

BLACKWELL: Harry Houck, thank you so much.

HOUCK: You're welcome.

PAUL: Ahead in the Newsroom, two men from the Middle East both arrested for terror-related charges. The family of one of them claims he is innocent. We'll have more on what we have learned this morning.

BLACKWELL: And a live update, live pictures now of the breaking news we have been following all morning. Massive protests in Cologne, Germany. You see riot police there, water cannons trying to disperse opposing crowds of protesters, hopefully doing it before nightfall.

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[10:40:03] PAUL: Two Iraqi refugees in two states arrested on terror charges. Now we are learning several family members of one of those suspects are also under arrest.

BLACKWELL: Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan in Houston and Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab of Sacramento are both accuse of pledging to help fight for ISIS. And they apparently talked to one another. Take a look at a key exchange between the two. According to a law enforcement source Al Hardan in Texas to Al-Jayab in California, quote, "I need to learn from your weapon expertise." Jayab replies, "We will make your abilities very strong. Our concern is to arrive there." It continues "When you arrive in Syria, you will be trained." PAUL: Joining us, David Leopold, an immigration attorney now and past

president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. David, thank you so much for being with us.

DAVID LEOPOLD, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: Good morning.

PAUL: Good morning. As we have learned about the family members Al- Jayab, the suspect from Sacramento there, that they are under arrest for transporting stolen phones and computers across state lines. What does all of this do to the case that's being made to allow more refugees to settle in the U.S.?

LEOPOLD: As I understand it, these two, from the preliminary report, radicalized well before ISIS and came into the United States well before ISIS even existed. I think the point is we need to be vigilant, we need to keep our borders secure, especially when we are bringing people into the country.

But let's also remember that refugees coming to the United States to seek safe haven and seek shelter are the most vetted, are the most tested, are the most rigorously looked at of anybody that comes into the United States. So we have a very good system in place. And we need to remain vigilant. We also need to be true to our whole purpose of why this country was founded, and that is as a safe haven to people all over the world seeking freedom.

PAUL: You bring up a good point, though. Hardan entered the U.S. as an Iraqi refugee all the way in 2009. He was granted permanent status in 2011. So he's lived here for six year. How does someone go from taking refuge here in the U.S. to wanting to join a terrorist group against the country? Do you believe that he came with that intent initially?

LEOPOLD: I think that is hard to say. How does somebody who is born in the United States, and unfortunately we have plenty of people that were born in this country that are identifying with this awful, awful group called ISIS. And we need to make sure that we're vigilant at home, that we make sure that this kind of propaganda coming in over the Internet, coming in over Twitter, that we are very careful about it. And we have got to make sure that that kind of philosophy does not take hold in this country.

Unfortunately, we have open communication in this world, and people can pick up all kinds of recruitment from all over the place. I don't know how somebody like that radicalizes, just like I don't know how somebody who is naturally born in the United States would think to identify with a group as despicable as ISIS.

PAUL: David Leopold, appreciate you taking the time for us today. Thank you.

LEOPOLD: My pleasure.

BLACKWELL: California Congresswoman Barbara Lee joins us now. And Congresswoman, I thank you for your time.

REP. BARBRA LEE, (D) CALIFORNIA: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: You have been very critical of the effectiveness of the war against ISIS. You, as many remember, were the person who found that lone dissenting vote in 2001, authorization of the use of military force. I want to go by this check by check. When you are critical of the U.S.'s attempt to tap down, to eliminate ISIS, is it a lack of resources or is it an ineffective strategy from your perspective?

LEE: I believe that we need a more comprehensive strategy to really begin to degrade and dismantle ISIL. One, the military option is always there, and we recognize that. Of course, our first job is to keep Americans and our country safe.

Having said that, we have to look at how we can broaden this strategy to make sure the region is leading it, to ensure that we do not allow for the insertion of American troops, ground troops in this civil war and in this terrible, terrible war that's taking place in the region, but also how we can support a regional effort to look at a diplomatic and political settlement long-term, because when you look at and you cited the 2001 resolution to use force, that resolution and the one that authorized the use of force, the military war against Iraq, those are still being used now in terms of the U.S. mission in this new war.

[10:45:09] And so minimally we need to have a debate in Congress, which is what I'm saying and many others are saying now, and we need to put forth a new authorization which would set forth what, in fact, the American people and Congress deem necessary to really begin to dismantle and discredit ISIS.

BLACKWELL: The president sent over a draft resolution back in February of 2015. Others have made proposals. How far do you think Congress is from simply declaring war against ISIS or do you think that it will happen in this session?

LEE: The president was correct when he sent over an authorization. Unfortunately, the speaker just sat on it. That resolution went nowhere. Many of us have written to former Speaker Boehner, have communicated with our current speaker Ryan to say, and this is bipartisan, to say it is our constitutional responsibility to have a debate and really allow the American people a voice in how to begin to really address this really terrible terrorist organization and what is taking place in the Middle East.

Now we see some movement, members are beginning to talk about it. The speaker is making public comments and he's saying some public things, I think sending some signals publicly that he may be considering allowing a resolution, an authorization to use force to come to the floor.

But I think it is very important that we continue to hear the voices and really listen to the voices of the American people and know that they want to have a say in how we are addressing this very terrible terrorist organization. And so I am more hopeful today than I was last year. But once again, we have to make sure whatever authorization comes forward that it is an authorization that is specific, that is not as broad as the one that I voted against. That was a blank check in 2001. It is still being used, unfortunately, as the legal basis for this new war. This is 14, 15 years later. It has been used over 30 some times. And so hopefully what we are hearing now means at least there is a bipartisan effort to begin to be real about this and to make sure that we do our jobs as members of congress.

BLACKWELL: All right, California Congresswoman Barbara Lee, thank you for your time.

LEE: Thank you. My pleasure.

BLACKWELL: Christi?

PAUL: Back to a story we have been watching unfold. Take a look at these pictures out of Cologne, Germany. People have been waving flags and have been chanting, demonstrating over the New Year's Eve sex assaults that rocked that country.

Now, there are two groups of protesters here, one of them furious after German authorities said of the 31 people identified in those attacks, 18 of them are seeking asylum. In other words, they are refugees. The other group is still supporting refugees coming into that country. CNN's correspondent Atika Shubert is live there in Cologne. She has been just in the middle of all of this where we have seen riot police, we've seen bottles thrown at police, a water cannon. We've been hearing fireworks going off. I was actually quite concerned for your safety for a little bit there, Atika. How are things shaking up right now?

SHUBERT: Police seem to have gotten a lot more control of the situation. They have pushed a lot of the protesters back. You can still see they have got two water cannons out here. But they are really just in position at this point. They are not being used in any way.

What's happened is a lot of the protestors have moved along closer to the train station. And I think the objective is to try and get a lot of these protestors to go home. A lot of them have traveled in by train. I think they are just hoping they will go home and cool it off.

A lot of the bottle throwing has stopped. We've not hearing as many of those firecrackers being let off. But people are still angry. As they were filing out here, a number of these rightwing protesters got into scuffles with police saying, where were you on New Year's Eve? Why weren't you out there protecting these women? And this is a very valid question, and it is what a lot of residents here in Cologne and across Germany were asking. Why was there a complete loss of law and order on the streets of Cologne on New Year's Eve? And so this is where the anger is being directed right now, at the police.

PAUL: Atika Shubert, so glad that you all are doing well there. Thank you so much for just some really incredible pictures and reporting this morning. We appreciate you keeping us apprised of what's happening. And we will be following this obviously throughout the day.

BLACKWELL: Coming up next, that Powerball jackpot now up to $800 million. It could go even higher. What would you do with all the money?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would take care of my family, my number one priority, keep moving everybody out of the rough neighborhood we stay in. That's number one.

[10:50:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are all optimistic that any one of us could win at any time with any number, and why not me?

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BLACKWELL: We're 12 hours away from tonight's Powerball drawing. The jackpot is $800 million.

PAUL: So if you take the lump sum, $496 million after taxes. You only have roughly one in 292.2 million chance of actually winning, though. CNN business correspondent Alison Kosik running the numbers for us. Help us out. Is there anything we can do to better our chances?

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Oh, gosh, ask me one more time what you were saying.

PAUL: Is there anything we can do to better our chances? Maybe that's a bad sign.

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KOSIK: That's a really good question. One mathematician says one thing to do when you step up to buy your Powerball ticket is let the computer decide. And here's why, because when you use the favorite numbers or those birth dates, you are really only going to pick numbers up to 31. Remember, power goes up to 69 numbers.

Also, if you are lucky enough to win, oh, yes, many say go ahead and take that lump sum because you will be able to maximize the value of your winnings because of the exorbitant amount of taxes that you are going to pay. However, if you are not so good at managing your money, you do want to take the prize where it turns into an annuity so you can sort of more control the money that would be rolling in. Christi and Victor?

BLACKWELL: So what would you do, Alison, if you were to win? I'm curious.

KOSIK: Whoa, if I won? All right, so Victor, I'm a practical girl. If I won, I would definitely, first thing first, put away enough money so my kids can go to college. I would also give to charity because I need to feel better about myself and to help others.

And here comes the impractical side. I want to go, it is cold here, I want to go on vacation where it involves a drink with a little umbrella and a bikini and lots of warm sun. How about that, for where I would put my winnings.

BLACKWELL: And you have $470 million to go.

PAUL: Yes, pretty much.

KOSIK: That's it.

[10:55:00] PAUL: Good luck to you, Alison. If you win, don't forget us little people back if you are going to start doling out money.

BLACKWELL: Yes, first in line.

KOSIK: All right, I won't forget about you two.

PAUL: Thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: It is important to know if no one wins tonight, the Powerball could jump. The jackpot can go to $1 billion.

PAUL: Can you imagine? No, no. So, what do you do after that, if you were to win, really at the end of the day? You?

BLACKWELL: What would I do?

PAUL: Yes.

BLACKWELL: I would spend a stupid $1 million.

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KOSIK: That's the first thing. I would get that out of my system. Just spend $1 million stupid and then I would make some intelligent choices.

PAUL: All right, so the first steps that you should take in securing your money are online. We have all the answers for you. Just head over to our website, CNN.com, and good luck to you.

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PAUL: Emotions high in France as the country remembers the lives lost during last January's wave of terror attacks. Earlier a ceremony was held for Clarissa Jean-Philippe, one of the police officer gunned down. Soon there will be a ceremony honoring the lives lost in that attack at the kosher supermarket as well.

BLACKWELL: An airliner was forced to make an emergency stop after a woman allegedly attacked a flight attendant. Witnesses tell CNN affiliate WXYZ that passengers jumped into action and restrained the violent woman on the floor until the Chicago-bound flight landed in Detroit. That woman was taken into police custody.

PAUL: And the protesters who took over a federal building in southwest Oregon have rejected a, quote, "peaceful resolution." The sheriff's office says the roughly 20 member group would not accept their offer for safe passage out of the state. Officials haven't said if they will file any criminal charges.

BLACKWELL: An inactive hellfire missile was inadvertently shipped to Cuba. Yes, of all places, Cuba. That's according to sources who noted that its missing components needed to successfully hit a target. But the missile does contain sensitive American weapons technology. And sources say the U.S. has been trying to get Havana to return that missile for more than a year.

PAUL: Which has a lot of people saying, why didn't I hear about this for now?

BLACKWELL: Well, we got it now. Let's see what happens.

[11:00:00] PAUL: We do now, yes.

We are so grateful for your company as always. Go make some great memories today.