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Steven Avery hired a new lawyer and filed a new appeal in his case; New calls for an investigation into a Chicago city police detention center; Joby Ogwyn, the father of base jumping exclusive interview; 3:30-4p ET

Aired January 13, 2016 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:26] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: The main subject of the hit next flit docu-series "Making a Murder" has hired a new lawyer and filed a new appeal in his case and he wants out of prison while his latest challenges are considered.

For those of you who have never ever seen this series, let me get you caught up here. So this man, Steven Avery, he is serving life with no chance of patrol for the 2005 murder of photographer Teresa Halbach. Investigators say her charred remains were found in a fire pit behind Avery's home. His nephew also confessed to helping Avery kill Halbach. But this ten-part series suggests he was framed for Halbach's murder in retaliation for filing a multimillion dollar lawsuit against local official of Wisconsin for his wrongful conviction in another case.

Avery served nearly 20 years in prison for rape. He was later exonerated because of DNA there. This exclusive interview for Nancy Grace, his ex-fiancee, who is featured in the series, says this time investigators have the right man.

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NATASHA LANCE, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: It's been 10 years, about. Why are you talking to me? What do you want people to know?

JODI STACHOWSKI, STEVEN AVERY'S FORMER FIANCEE: The truth. What a monster he is. And he's not innocent.

LANCE: Were you in love with Steven Avery?

STACHOWSKI: No.

LANCE: But you stayed for two years.

STACHOWSKI: I ate two boxes of rat poison just so I could go to the hospital and get away from him and asked them to get the police to help me.

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BALDWIN: Wow. Nancy Grace joins me live. Nancy Grace, we chatted about this. For those who have not heard the

opinion, you think he is guilty, guilty, guilty. You see this is a mockumentary. Tell me why.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST, NANCY GRACE: You know, when I hear this woman, it is so much more than that. He actually told her that if she did not make him look good on the Netflix documentary, it was that or else. He beat her to a bloody pulp on numerous occasions. And we have dug and found a police report to document that. He was even writing her from behind bars threatening her that he could get her framed and make her land behind bars if she doesn't do what he says.

None of that made the Netflix documentary. In fact, according to this woman, Jodi Stachowski, she told Netflix I don't want to be in it. It's a lie. I don't want anything to do with it. But she ends up in it anyway. And that's what she tells us.

Why do I think he is guilty? I think he's guilty of the murder because he told me to my face, Teresa was there in his auto salvage pit the day she goes missing around 2:00. He concealed his identity with star 67 to call her twice to get her to come over. And then called her after he killed her letting his identity show up on the phone records going, hey, you never showed up. What happened? But then fast forward he tells me she came. So what's the cover up about?

All 270 plus bones in her body are found burned there in his salvage pit along with her tooth and the rivets off her blue jeans. Another witness says that that night -- this is not a cop. That night they see Steven Avery tending the fire in his backyard. Her car found on his property with his blood in her car. And maybe most important, his sweat evidence, his sweat evident, his perspiration is found under the hood of her car.

Now, as you know, police can't get a warrant and get your blood, your fingerprint, your hair, your pubic hair, your saliva. I don't know the way they can extract sweat and plant it in a car. He did this thing. And I think the reason we are having this Netflix reaction is because of the collective guilt we all feel when we know somebody has been wrongfully convicted and he was on rape. But he killed Teresa Halbach.

BALDWIN: I know that you absolutely believe that. This is something everyone is talking about. Others don't agree. You have interviewed the man. You know the story.

And Nancy Grace, thank you.

Nancy's opinion here. Make sure you watch Nancy on HLN every week night 8:00 eastern. She will have much more with Avery's ex. Nancy, thank you.

Next, a different side of the Republican front-runner. Donald Trump's former butler for years and years and years joins me to tell me what life is like inside the billionaire's mansion down in Palm Beach.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [15:39:39] BALDWIN: Welcome back. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you for being here.

Nineteen days and counting here from the Iowa caucuses. And the new poll from the Des Moines Register and Bloomberg Politics show the Republican race for president at least in the state of Iowa is virtually tied between two names on the screen, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. Cruz is up by three points. That's within the margin of error.

Many Donald Trump supporters say his brash, unfiltered persona. That is a big part of his appeal. But what he is like when the cameras re not rolling. One man who may know better than most is his former butler. Tony Senecal spent some 20 years as Trump's personal butler and is historian at his Marlago (ph) estate in Palm Beach, Florida. And Tony joins me now.

Tony, a pleasure to meet you, sir.

[15:40:25] TONY SENECAL, FORMER BUTLER TO DONALD TRUMP: Thank you. A pleasure to meet you.

BALDWIN: So there are a lot of things you know about Mr. Trump that you probably never, ever can share with the world. But I have to ask. I mean, just reading through the details about how he only sleeps three to four hours a night, can you give me one or two details that you can share?

SENECAL: You know, the interesting thing is I would bring his newspapers to him every morning he was there. I would pick them up at like maybe 4:30 in the morning, get them there to the house by quarter to 5:00. And nine times out of ten he would open his door and say just hand them to me here. He just doesn't sleep.

BALDWIN: He doesn't sleep. What newspapers was he reading?

SENECAL: Let's see. He read the local paper, which would have been the post, he read "The New York Times," he read the two rags from New York.

BALDWIN: OK.

SENECAL: I can't think of the names of it.

BALDWIN: So he was taking this in each and every morning at 4:30 in the morning.

SENECAL: My God, yes.

BALDWIN: I read at one point, you Tony had to go under the knife. This sort of speaks to your relationship with him. You were going to the night, was it a heart operation? What happened? Tell me what he did.

SENECAL: Yes. It was. It was a heart operation. He called the hospital the night before I went under the knife. He said when are you going under? And I said tomorrow. And he said, well, if you don't make it, Tony, you have had a good life.

BALDWIN: My goodness. Then he invited you over to recoup.

SENECAL: Yes, he did. He said don't go home to your apartment. Come out here. I say what room do you think I should take? He said, you can have mine. I won't be using.

BALDWIN: How about that?

Tony, how much are you following on the campaign trail? I mean, you know, I don't have to tell you that he has been this huge lightning rod. And I'm wondering if you agree with his politics or do you all spar?

SENECAL: I've always agreed with his politics. And we have discussed politics for 20 some years. The newspaper deal, when he would leave in the morning to go play golf. He would say, Tony, the newspapers at the end of the bed, save for me. The ones at the top of the bed, read. The ones on the floor, throw away. So I had a lesson. I had to read the newspapers. And I read them every day. I followed that man. He's incredible.

BALDWIN: A couple years ago, I understand, you did tell Donald Trump, listen, you know, I have been with you for years. It is time to hang up the jacket and to retire. How did that go for you?

SENECAL: He said, Tony, to retire is to expire. I said but Mr. Trump, I have been here so many years. He said, good. Monday starts your next one. I'm still with him.

BALDWIN: Still with him after all these years.

Tony Senecal, thank you for the time. Great stories. Thank you.

Coming up next, shocking investigation into claims of widespread mistreatment at a Chicago police detention center. You will hear from one young man held there for a crime he did not commit.

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[15:48:03] BALDWIN: As the city of Chicago remains on edge, new calls for an investigation into a city police detention center. CNN has learned that there are widespread allegations of human and civil rights violations during the arrest and questioning of suspects.

Rosa Flores spoke with one man who said he was wrongly arrested and abused.

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ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kory Wright says he was arrested on his 20th birthday, zip tied to a bench in an overheated room on a summer day, interrogated without access to an attorney, and charged with a crime he didn't commit.

KORY WRIGHT, WRONGLY ARRESTED BY CHICAGO POLICE: I was frantic, you know. I thought I was going to jail for murder.

FLORES: According to Wright, he was questioned at Holman square, a detention facility on the west side of Chicago for hours. First about a murder case, and then about drugs.

WRIGHT: I was just pleading. I have no idea. I don't know that you're talking about. There's got to be a mistake.

FLORES: Wright was charged with purchasing 0.4 grams of cocaine from an undercover police officer for $20 and put on house arrest, according to court records.

WRIGHT: It was a wakeup call, you know. I think a lot of us make the presumption that life is fair, you know. So with that being said, I just felt like it wasn't fair. I struggled with depression. You know, it was a point where my mom and I had, you know, a fallout because it was hard to convince her that I wasn't guilty.

FLORES: A judge agreed with him four months later, ruling him not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a moral outrage.

FLORES: This and other cases involving allegations of civil rights abuses at Holman square caught the attention of cook county commissioner Richard Boykin. He is introducing a resolution before the board of commissioners asking the US DOJ to include Holman square in to the scope of its investigation into the patterns and practices of the Chicago police department.

But Eliza Solowiej, the executive director of First Defense Legal Aid says it is not just Holman square, it is of legal link says it is it's a city wide problem.

[15:50:10] ELIZA SOLOWIEJ, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, FIRST DEFENSE LEGAL AID: More than 99 percent of arrestees at every single station are without an attorney for the duration of their detainment.

FLORES: Meaning less than 100 percent of people arrested in Chicago in 2013 have a lawyer while in police custody. According to Illinois law, a person is entitled to an attorney within a reasonable time after an arrest.

SOLOWIEJ: It means that people are without the protection of the law. Because how can someone access their rights without an advocate and without someone to stand with them?

FLORES: The Chicago police department denies Holman square or any detention facility is used to violate people's civil rights sending CNN a fact sheet saying allegations of abuse are not only inaccurate and misleading, but not supported by any facts whatsoever.

Kory Wright would argue that his drug charge was not supported by facts. During his bench trial, Wright says, the judge asked the female undercover police officer to point to the individual who purchased the 0.4 grams of cocaine from her. WRIGHT: She pointed to some guy that was just sitting behind my

family. And everybody kind of like snickered and laugh. And the judge, you could tell he was a little bit upset. He asked for order. And then he asked the lady to, you know, be dismissed. And he is like I see no reason for me to keep you any longer. You're free to go.

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FLORES: Now, Kory Wright is beating the odds, he earned a bachelor's degree and working at a master's degree in network engineering. And hear this. He says every that single time he goes on a job interview on an internship interview, he has to take his court documents to prove that he was not guilty.

Now, as for the question, will the U.S. DOJ include Holman square into the scope of its investigation into the patterns and practices of the Chicago police department, CNN asked today and that answer is no -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Rosa Flores, thank you so much for your reporting.

Next, the Dow down more than 350 points now. Eight minutes left in this trading day. What is behind that drop? We'll talk about it coming up.

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[15:56:45] BALDWIN: Heart stopping. That is the best way to describe CNN's films "Sunshine Superman." Sunday night you will meet the father of base jumping.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were entirely successful in all our cliff jumps because I feel that we were constantly led by the idea that we were glorifying mankind's beautiful spirit of seeking adventure and that we were within our rights of freedom and dominion over all the earth. There are many manmade laws that aren't laws at all that need to be broken. One is a belief that it's impossible to jump off a cliff.

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BALDWIN: Joining me now from Orlando high altitude mountain climber Joby Ogwyn, who is also a base jumper, himself. Great to meet you.

I lived in West Virginia for a period of time and covered bridge day, any base jumper knows what I'm talking about. Can you tell me why you do this?

JOBY OGWYN, HIGH ALTITUDE MOUNTAIN CLIMBER: Well, I think it's trying to make the impossible possible. It's a dream. I think that there's quite a few people around the world that have had the dream of flight and human flight. And it is something that because of technology we have today is attainable if you are willing to risk it.

BALDWIN: Have you had any close calls? OGWYN: Man, I have probably worn out my luck jar quite a few times

over the years. I have had a lot of close calls in the mountains base jumping, flying wing suits. But the main thing is to learn from thoes close calls and to try to not repeat those mistakes.

BALDWIN: Tell me, Joby, tell me about your friend featured in this film, Rick Harrison, and can you talk about his relationship with coral?

OGWYN: Yes, I met Rick a number of years ago in China. Actually, we were doing a really big base jumping event there, and Rick was somebody who I had heard about him and knew who he was because he was one of the very first guys ever to make a base jump and was kind of in our world very famous guy. And definitely a little older than me and had incredible stories. And I knew several people that knew Carl and his wife. Rick was one of those people. Guys that were older than me for sure, but were very good friends and jumped. And some of that original group of people that Carl led to places like Yosemite and Europe.

BALDWIN: How much training, thought, preparation goes into jumping off a cliff?

OGWYN: A lot more preparation and time than people realize. I did it in a very compact way because I did it for a documentary. So I did it in a little bit different way than most people do it. But it's something that you take years of fully dedicated training before you can really feel like you're able to master it and do it to as safe as it possibly can be.

BALDWIN: OK. Joby Ogwyn, I'll take your word for it, jumping off the mountain and paragliding as the status close as I choose to go. Thank you so much. Nice to meet you.

And for everyone watching don't forget to tune in for "Sunshine Superman," a CNN film this Sunday night 9:00 eastern. Thank you.

And thank all of you for watching on this Wednesday. I'm Brooke Baldwin. "The LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Thanks, Brooke. It turns out Donald Trump after all is the great uniter. "The LEAD" start right now.