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The Halbach Murder Blood Evidence; Diamond Diva Thief Caught on Tape; Pastor Molests Young Girl. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired January 14, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight. Missing photographer 25- year-old Teresa Halbach bone and teeth found on the property of Steven Avery so badly burned, the most advanced DNA testing needed. A Netflix
documentary reels in record viewers, convincing viewers Avery`s actually innocent in Teresa`s brutal death. Over 300,000 petition the White House
and Wisconsin governor to free the cold-blooded killers.
Bombshell tonight. The White House will not pardon killer Steven Avery, as reports Teresa set to quit her job at "Auto Trader" that day, but they beg
her to finish one last job. She`s never seen alive again.
Tonight, we uncover bombshell evidence that torpedoes Netflix claims blood evidence was planted. This as Avery`s fiancee tells us the real truth
about killer Steven Avery.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NATISHA LANCE, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: What do you want people to know?
JODI STACHOWSKY, AVERY`S EX-FIANCEE: The truth, what a monster he is. And he`s not innocent. Steven liked to burn stuff. It`s like he liked fire.
BRENDAN DASSEY, AVERY`S NEPHEW: He said he would rather burn her, so then he put her back on the floor, and then he shot her five times.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Caught on tape, a beautiful young brunette strikes fear across the country, believed responsible for armed stick-ups of a string of jewel
heists, including holding up employees at gunpoint. Tonight, who is the so-called "diamond diva"?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New surveillance video of the young woman now accused in six holdups at jewelry stores across the South. Now the FBI is
searching for her, according to investigators, a woman in her late 20s or early 30s, 5-foot-8, about 130 pounds.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: A so-called man of God, a pastor, on the run, believed hiding out in Ecuador amid claims he sex molests a young girl he meets at the tender
age of just 12 years old, that victim now pregnant by the pastor. He even goes on YouTube, smiling alongside his wife, asking for prayers for him.
So why can`t he be brought home to jail?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being a husband is my first calling, being a dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for the 33-year-old Pennsylvania church pastor who they say sexually assaulted a teenage girl. And now
she`s pregnant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have come up against some just really major personal issues for me and family issues for us together.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Missing photographer 25-year-old Teresa Halbach bone and teeth found on the property of Steven Avery so badly burned, the most
advanced DNA testing needed. A Netflix documentary reels in record viewers, convincing viewers Avery is actually innocent in Teresa`s brutal
death. Over 300,000 petition the White House and the Wisconsin governor to free the cold-blooded killer.
Tonight, the White House will not pardon killer Steven Avery amid reports Teresa set to quit her job at "Auto Trader" that day, but they beg her to
finish one last job. She`s never seen alive again.
Tonight, we uncover bombshell evidence that torpedoes claims blood evidence was planted to frame Avery, this as Avery`s fiancee tells us the real truth
about Steven Avery.
First thing I want to do is let you hear exactly what his fiancee says. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NATISHA LANCE, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: Do you believe Steven Avery killed Teresa Halbach?
JODI STACHOWSKY, AVERY`S EX-FIANCEE: Yes, I do.
LANCE: Why?
STACHOWSKY: Because he threatened to kill me and my family and a friend of mine.
I was in a bath, and he threatened to throw a blow dryer in there, and he told me that he`d be able to get away with it.
He choked me one night and -- well, actually, he started hitting me. So I called the police. And then he choked me and was dragging me out the door
so we could leave before the police got there. And we were driving down the road, and the police that were on the way pulled over, took me out of
the car and asked me what was going on. And I told them. And they arrested him and ordered him to stay away from me for three days.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[20:00:11]GRACE: To Chris Spargo, reporter with Dailymail.com. This is the woman that actually forced herself to eat rat poison in order to get to
the hospital to get away from Steven Avery. Yet tonight, people are trying to cast doubt on her finally coming forward to tell the truth.
Now, she tells us she told the Netflix documentarians, if you want to call them that, it that she wanted nothing to do -- that she did not want her
face up on the screen. She says she`s got phone records to prove it.
What do you make of it, Chris Spargo?
CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM: Well, here`s the thing. When she was on the Netflix documentary -- it`s from 10 years ago -- she was going through a
drinking problem, and she said she was still very much afraid of Steven Avery. And how she presented herself then is not how she feels now. And
now she`s ready to share these stories.
So when the Netflix people came to her, she said, No, I don`t want to be involved at this time and I`d like if you didn`t air that stuff. And now
that she`s free of Steven Avery, she`s finally saying what kind of man he was.
GRACE: Take a listen to what she says.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STACHOWSKY: He beat me all the time, punched me, throw me against the wall. I`d try to leave. He smashed the windshield out of my car so I
couldn`t leave him. I was at work one day, and he was up there spying through a window. And I got in the car after work. I knew nothing about
it. And he just started slapping me. And got back to the jail, they told me I wouldn`t be working anymore, so I couldn`t see him, because they
noticed the red marks on my face.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Natisha Lance, who interviewed Jodi Stachowski, is with us. Natisha, now she`s coming under fire. It`s like that people would rather
disbelieve a domestic violence victim who`s finally coming forward and choose to believe the jury got it wrong, that Steven Avery really didn`t
kill Teresa Halbach. Why is this animus growing toward the fiancee? She`s finally coming clean.
LANCE: Well, I think, Nancy, people are thinking that she has credibility issues because of her drinking previously before, and because in the
documentary, it really does seem like she`s standing by Steven Avery`s side. She even says that she talked to him the night of the murder. So it
is a change of tune.
But based on what she told me, she said this is the truth, everything that was in the documentary was a lie, she felt threatened by Steven Avery. And
like you said, she asked not to be in the documentary at all.
GRACE: I want you to hear what is the crux of this case, not whether the fiancee is now telling the truth or what she said to Netflix, but the truth
about what happened to Teresa Halbach. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BRENDAN DASSEY, AVERY`S NEPHEW: (INAUDIBLE) pickup (INAUDIBLE) something in the yard. And after that, he asked me to come in the house because he
wanted to show me something.
He showed me that she was lying on the bed. Her hands were roped onto the bed and her legs were cuffed. Then he told me to have sex with her, so I
did because I thought I was not going to get away from him because he was too strong. So I did what he said.
And after that, he untied her and uncuffed her, and then he brought her outside. And before we went outside, he told me to grab her clothes and
shoes. So we went into the garage. Before she went -- before he took her outside, he had tied up her hands and feet, and then went in the garage.
He stabbed her. And then he told me to. After that, he wanted to make sure she was dead or something, so he shot her five times. And while he
was doing that, I wasn`t looking because I can`t watch that stuff. So I was standing by the big door in the garage.
And then after that, he took her outside and we put her on the fire, and we used her clothes to clean up the -- some of the blood. When we put her in
the fire and clothes, we were standing right by the garage to wait for it to get down, so he threw some of the stuff on it after it went down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Hearing Dassey recount what happened to Teresa Halbach is just horrible. Horrible!
Joining me right now is a special guest out of Appleton. It is Len Kochinsky, the former lawyer for Brendan Dassey, now receiving threats ever
since the Netflix documentary aired.
[20:10:10]Len, thank you for being with us.
LEN KOCHINSKY, FMR. ATTORNEY FOR BRENDAN DASSEY (via telephone): You`re welcome, Nancy.
GRACE: First of all, we are all hoping that you are recovering. What are the threats that you have received, Len?
KOCHINSKY: I`ve received a large number of e-mails, voicemails and Twitter remarks basically saying that persons hope that I died of cancer and things
like that. I think because I`ve got evidence on my Facebook page I`m suffering from leukemia, nobody has threatened to kill me because they
figure nature will take its course because that`s the sort of threats I`ve been getting.
GRACE: So the Netflix viewers that have bought into the innocence of Steven Avery have somehow figured out that you are battling leukemia right
now and are actually threatening you and saying they hope you die of cancer?
KOCHINSKY: Yes.
GRACE: OK. Len Kochinsky, we just played a portion of Dassey`s interview with police. Do you believe that he was threatened into giving that
statement?
KOCHINSKY: Well, we litigated the issue of his March 1 statements before Judge Fox (ph), and I viewed the four-and-a-half-hour recording of the
interview. We had some arguments. There were some attempts to play on his sympathies and emotions to get him to talk.
But Judge Fox ruled that there was not any sort of impermissible coercion or anything. There wasn`t anything that really amounted to a threat in
that March 1 interview. So I wasn`t surprised that in spite of my best efforts, it was allowed into evidence by Judge Fox. And in fact, the court
of appeals held that Judge Fox`s ruling was correct.
GRACE: You know, Len Kochinsky, I know that you represented Dassey to the very best of your ability. Given the facts that there were, what is your
thought on Steven Avery`s guilt or innocence?
KOCHINSKY: I really never thought of whether Steven Avery is guilty or not guilty of what he was accused of regarding Teresa Halbach. But I do know
that he is a threatening, intimidating individual from communications that he made, directed at Dassey while the case was pending over the media,
trying to tell -- on one occasion, Avery said something to the effect that Dassey wasn`t very smart if he was going to testify against Avery. And
that`s kind of a threat.
GRACE: So Mr. Kochinsky...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Let me understand what you`re saying.
KOCHINSKY: ... Avery and Dassey ended up in prison for a while, he might be in jeopardy.
GRACE: OK, let me understand what you`re saying. Everyone, with me from Appleton, Wisconsin, is Len Kochinsky, who was an attorney representing co-
defendant Brendan Dassey at trial.
Len, are you saying that Avery made veiled threats on Dassey?
KOCHINSKY: While the case was pending, yes. This was out in the public domain, that he was doing that. There was also recorded jail conversations
that were introduced as evidence during a motion hearing about relatives encouraging Dassey not to cooperate with the state. So that sort of thing
happened.
Now, there`s just one thing I should clarify, from your -- I didn`t represent him at trial. The trial occurred eight months after I was off
the case, with two other attorneys.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:18:02]STACHOWSKY: He told me once all bitches owe him because of the one that sent him to prison the first time. We all owed him.
LANCE: Do you believe Steven Avery killed Teresa Halbach?
STACHOWSKY: Yes, I do. He told me how to act. You know, he`s all, Smile, be happy. It was all lies.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Right after this program, at 9:00 sharp Eastern, we take an in- depth look to fight back against Netflix claims that Steven Avery did not kill Teresa Halbach. To the contrary, the evidence shows he did and that
Netflix has presented only half the picture.
I want you to hear what Brendan Dassey said. With me is his lawyer at the time, Len Kochinsky. And also with me, the Calumet County medical examiner
who created the death certificate for Teresa Halbach.
Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you cut her hair off?
DASSEY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where did that happen?
DASSEY: In the -- in the bedroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what did you cut the hair off with?
DASSEY: The knife, the knife you guys found in the garage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doesn`t make sense.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Impossible!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You took her out to the garage, and that`s when you got the knife. Explain how that can be. Did you cut her hair off?
DASSEY: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then why did you just tell us you did? Brendan?
DASSEY: I don`t know.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is "Making a Murderer" from Netflix.
[20:20:01]With me, the lawyer representing Dassey at the time, Len Kochinsky, and he`s currently battling leukemia. He is now suffering death
threats from Netflix viewers who insist Avery is innocent, even telling him they hope and pray he dies of cancer.
Len, isn`t it true that the day Dassey spoke to police, you had sent your investigator there to be with him? Wasn`t your investigator on the
premises?
KOCHINSKY: My investigator was there, and we also had arranged for me to be available on phone, should there be any developments that needed my
attention. And I had a phone with me. Investigator O`Kelly (ph) never called.
GRACE: You know, I never heard anything about that in the Netflix documentary, Len.
Mike Klaeser is joining us, the Calumet County medical examiner who created Teresa`s death certificate. Mike, thank you so much for being with us.
MIKE KLAESER, CREATED DEATH CERTIFICATE FOR HALBACH (via telephone): Good afternoon, Nancy.
GRACE: You know, I know you`ve heard all about the Netflix so-called documentary. But question to you. You were there. You created her death
certificate.
KLAESER: Yes.
GRACE: Do you believe the right people are behind bars?
KLAESER: I`m certain that they are.
GRACE: Why?
KLAESER: After -- if you read the detailed information that was presented in the case against Steven Avery, a number of items come to light,
including the fact that his blood, DNA, was found in six different places in her vehicle. A bullet from his gun had her DNA on it. The key found in
his residence with his DNA on it alone would be enough to stand alone as solid evidence that he had something to do with her death.
And then you have an eyewitness account, who isn`t saying, I saw a 5-foot-3 stout white male walking away from the scene. You have someone saying, I
saw my uncle, Steven Avery, stab Teresa Halbach in the stomach. I helped my uncle, Steven Avery, carry Teresa Halbach from his house to the garage.
I helped my uncle, Steven Avery, place her body in the fire. I saw my uncle, Steven Avery, breaking the bones apart after the fire had died down
with a shovel.
I think the right people are behind bars.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you go over there? You had this stuff planned out already, didn`t you. You and Steve had this planned? Yes? Yes or no?
DASSEY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. When did you plan it?
DASSEY: For a few days.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And what did you have planned? Come on. Brendan, did you have this planned? Yes or no?
DASSEY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who did you plan it with?
DASSEY: Steven.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When?
DASSEY: A few days before it happened.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And what did you have planned to do? Details are easy. Come on. You`ve already given me that you were involved in it. So
let`s go over the details. Paint the picture for me. Obviously, I know already. I know a bunch of this already. I keep proving that to you. The
details are easy. Just tell me what you guys planned and what you did. No sweat.
DASSEY: That I had sex with her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:27:30]TERESA HALBACH, DECEASED: I love hugs. I love -- I have a theory that you need nine hugs a day in order to feel loved.
I love taking pictures. I love holding a candle in my hand.
I don`t hate anyone. I love a lot of people. I feel loved.
And I will be a good mom one day. I just want to know -- whenever I do die, I just want people I love to know that whenever I die, that I was
happy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video diary made by 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach addressed her future death. Little did she know at the time that one day,
we would be playing that back years and years later as her murder is rehashed, thanks to a Netflix documentary that insists her cold-blooded
killer and rapist are innocent.
Very quickly, to Justin Freiman. We have uncovered bombshell evidence that shows the blood of Avery`s that was so-called planted in Teresa`s car --
that blood was not planted. Explain.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): That`s right, Nancy. One of the main things, as you can see on the screen, there`s a puncture in
the top of the vial that his blood was contained in.
And the nurse who actually did it says that is supposed to be there. She put it there. So do other experts. They say if the hole wasn`t there, you
should be concerned because when the blood is put into the vial, you have to puncture that rubber cap on the top to put it in. So I`d be more
concerned if I didn`t see that hole because it means somebody had tampered with it.
GRACE: And again, there`s no way that sweat evidence could have appeared under the hood of her car. That cannot be extricated, like blood or
saliva, by police. It got there naturally.
Dan O`Donnell, WISN, is it true she intended to quit, to leave "Auto Trader," and they begged her to take this one last job?
DAN O`DONNELL, WISN: Yes, it`s a very tragic coincidence that came out. And remember, Halbach never wanted to go back to the Avery property ever
again after an incident earlier in which Avery answered the door for her wearing nothing but a towel. She was so creeped out, she said to her boss,
Please don`t ever make me go back there again.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did he pick Teresa?
DASSEY: Because she was coming over that day.
[20:30:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did he tell you she was coming over? Did he tell you she was coming over?
DASSEY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did he say he was going to do?
DASSEY: That he was going to kill her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he say why?
DASSEY: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he tell you to come over then to help him? Or what did he tell you? What did he tell you, Brendan?
DASSEY: They he wanted me to help him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He made you agree to do that?
DASSEY: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:35:00] GRACE: Caught on tape. A beautiful young brunette striking fear across the country, believed responsible for armed stickups of a string of
jewel heists, holding up employees at gunpoint.
Tonight, just who is this so-called "Diamond Diva" thief?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say she stole more than $900,000 worth of merchandise. The eight-month spree began at a Jared store in Woodstock.
Since then, Kemp is accused of pulling off five more heists in Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina and North Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI also released these surveillance images of her. Investigators said at gunpoint she forced workers into a back room,
then binded their hands with zip ties, before stealing high-priced jewelry.
GRACE: She had to know she`s on video. Take a look at all the surveillance video. To Pat LaLama, Managing Editor of Crime Watch Daily. What was her
M.O.? What was her method of operation?
PAT LALAMA, CRIME WATCH DAILY MANAGING EDITOR: well, it`s really interesting, Nancy, because it seems like she wanted to hand the case over
to the cops. She`s in all of these stores, she`s wearing white ear buds because she`s communicating by cell phone with an alleged cohort. She`s
showing her face.
They`re able to -- oh, well, let me get back to the M.O. She terrorizes the poor employees, takes them in the back room, puts them on the floor, ties
them up. She thinks she`s a part of a Bonnie and Clyde modern-day scenario. This young woman always wanted fame. Now she`s infamous.
GRACE: Okay, well, the reality is that she clearly got millions of dollars worth of jewels.
LALAMA: Yes.
GRACE: Take a look at this. She`s caught on video, everybody, nearly every time. Are there more victims than the ones we know about? This has gone on
almost a year. And what`s so intriguing is, she never wears a mask. She`s not afraid to pull a gun on the jewelry store employees.
Let`s take a look at the video. That`s what I want to see. I`m trying to nail down her M.O.
Take a look. She`s got to know that there are cameras all over these jewelry stores. Every time she comes in, in seeming workout attire, Justin
Freiman.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE SHOW EDITORIAL PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. And also, she always shows up shortly before the store -- shortly after it
opens, when it`s not very crowded.
GRACE: Take a look at this. Her M.O., netting her how much, Pat LaLama, of Crime Watch Daily, that how much has she stolen so far?
LALAMA: I have heard as much as $4 million worth of fabulous jewels, which they haven`t found, by the way. Not yet.
GRACE: Well, in the last hours, she has been dragged into a court of law. Take a look at this perp walk. Now, as bold as she was in all these jewelry
stores, she is crying like a baby on her way to federal court.
Her name, we now believe, is Abigail "Abby" Lee Kemp. She does have an accomplice. You`re right, Pat LaLama. It is believed that during every
jewel heist, she would be in communications with a man somewhere near the location.
Stephanie Godfrey is with us, former friend and classmate of Abigail Kemp. Stephanie, thank you for being with us. What was she like when you were in
school with her?
STEPHANIE GODFREY, FORMER FRIEND AND CLASSMATE OF "DIAMOND DIVA": Abby was an interesting character. She was really funny, the life of the party,
sarcastic, witty. Loves just pushing the limits whoever she was with and whatever situation she was in.
GRACE: Were you surprised when you find out she`s the "Diamond Diva" jewel thief?
GODFREY: I mean, like, being able to know someone that does that, obviously surprises you. But just, you know, knowing that it was her kind of just --
it makes sense she has that bold, confident, you know, invincible kind of attitude with not showing a mask. She`s very just overconfident.
GRACE: Well, it`s my understanding the judge has denied bail. Pat LaLama, Crime Watch Daily, I believe the judge is saying, hey, we still haven`t
recovered the jewelry. We`re not going to let you out on bond for you to go trade it off and hide the money in the Caymans.
LALAMA: Right. No bond. And here`s the deal, because they can`t find that jewelry, that concerns them as you mentioned. The family said, oh, come on,
let us take care of her, please. The judge said no, because allegedly she took a trip to the Dominican Republic not long ago. This woman is a flight
risk.
GRACE: So Ben Levitan, the FBI was able to ping a cell phone that allegedly belonged to Kemp. What does that mean? Is that how they caught her, because
of her cell phone?
[20:40:00] BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Well, they caught her because of her cell phone. The FBI got this right this so.
Here`s what happens, Nancy. Every time you make a phone call, the phone company keeps a record of who you called, your phone number, and what cell
tower you were connected to. What the FBI did in this case is they went to the cell phone company that was near that jewelry store and said, give me a
list of every phone that connected to this cell tower around the time of the robbery.
Well, those were hundreds of numbers. But when you -- when they did the same thing in Panama City, Woodstock, Georgia, North and South Carolina,
and met in North Carolina. They came up with one number that was at all those cell towers. That gave them the suspect, Nancy.
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[20:45:00] GRACE: A so-called Man of God, a pastor on the run now, believed hiding out in Ecuador, amid claims he sex molests a young girl he meets at
the tender age of just 12 years old.
That victim, now pregnant, reportedly by this pastor. He even goes on YouTube, smiling alongside his wife, asking for prayers. For him! So why
can`t this "man of God" be brought home? To jail?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JACOB MALONE, PASTOR WHO GOT GIRL PREGNANT: Well, hey, everybody. It`s Jake and Libby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is Jacob Malone? Police are searching for the 33- year-old Pennsylvania church pastor who they say sexually assaulted a teenage girl who lived with Malone and his family.
MALONE: We`re just really excited about this time, even though it is difficult. We really believe that God is going to bring a lot of good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: All right. He mentions personal issues. That`s from YouTube. OK. Hold on, Solomon Jones, WURD. I know you`ve got a lot to tell me. But we
have just uncovered this video posted by the pastor and his wife who is smiling alongside him.
He knows he is wanted for sex molest on a girl. All right? So what are they thinking? Listen to this!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
J. MALONE: Hey, everybody. It`s Jake and Libby, as you can tell, because you`re watching a video of us talking to you. But we just wanted to just
share a quick video with you in as personal way as we can to let you know about some of the things that are going on in our family and with us right
now.
So over the past, probably about three weeks, we`ve come up against some just really major, I guess personal issues for me and family issues for us
together that are really pretty heavy and difficult.
And so after some -- a lot of prayer and talking together and getting advice from people that we trust, we decided to take a step back from
public professional ministry for a time, almost on kind of like a self- imposed sabbatical is how we`re thinking about it.
So I met with our church board of elders and our lead pastor, Pastor Lee, last Sunday. And I resigned my position at Calvary. And really what`s
driving that is we just feel it`s really important for us right now to focus 100 percent of our time and our energy on our family.
LIBBY MALONE, JACOB MALONE`S WIFE: We`ve gotten so many texts and e-mails already. People are just saying "we love you" and "what can we do?" So, if
you`re one of those people that loves us and wants to know what you can do, we would just love your prayers. Keep praying for us.
J. MALONE: Yes.
L. MALONE: It`s a, you know, it`s a hard time, but we know that God is strong. So keep praying for us. And keep in contact with us. We`re not
gone. We`re still here. So send us those e-mails and texts and stop by for a cup of coffee. We just -- we`d love to see you all. We`re still here, so
-- yeah.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Stop by for a cup of coffee? Where? In Ecuador? That`s from YouTube, where this pastor is apparently on the run with his long-suffering wife.
This, as he is accused of sex molesting a young girl he met at the tender age of just 12 years old. He is wanted.
Solomon Jones, WURD, why is he still in Ecuador, number one, when he has got felony charges against him? Is this girl pregnant by him, and why is
his wife smiling at him?
SOLOMON JONES, MORNING HOST, WURD RADIO: Yeah. I think that - he`s right. He and his wife are right when they say he is in need of prayer. They are
both in need of prayer.
But my understanding from one of the detectives who is working on this case, is that he is in Ecuador alone, and that he contacted police through
an attorney, said he would turn himself in this week. And did not.
He was supposed to be home today. He`s not there. He claimed he had to change flights. The police expected him to come home.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Ooh, I bet he did have to change flights.
Unleash the lawyers. Carissa Kranz, joining us. Yale Gallanter, famed O.J. Simpson defense fame.
OK, first to you, Carissa. Why is he not here, answering up to his charges? He`s been saying he`s going to come home for over a week now. He`s not
going anywhere, except deeper into the jungle.
CARISSA KRANZ, ATTORNEY: Just because he`s not here now doesn`t mean he`s fleeing, Nancy, at this point.
GRACE: He`s in Ecuador.
KRANZ: He could be there on a mission trip. We don`t know why he`s there.
GRACE: You just heard him say he`s separated from the church. He`s taking a "self-imposed sabbatical". He`s taking a, "step back." Did you hear that?
KRANZ: But he`s not disappearing. He`s in constant communication. He`s communicating through his attorney. He`s saying he`s going to come back,
that he had to change his flight. That`s not the behavior of someone that`s fleeing.
GRACE: Had to change his flight.
Okay, here`s the deal, Yale Galanter. There`s a warrant for him. There are felony sex molest charges on him. All right? Change his flight? That`s
B.S.!
[20:50:00] YALE GALANTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, may or may not be. I mean, but I agree with the other panelist. I mean, the fact that he`s
communicating through his lawyer and his lawyer`s making representations to law enforcement, law enforcement`s going to hold off.
Because an extradition proceeding would take a long, long time and obviously if he voluntarily surrenders on the warrant, everybody will be
better off for it. So, if it takes an extra day or two, the police will give him that leeway, based on whatever the lawyer`s representations are.
GRACE: To Dr. Charles Sophy, Psychiatrist, joining us out of L.A., author of "Side-By-Side." Doctor Sophy, why is the wife tossing her hair? She`s
beautiful, by the way, of course, I guess people always key down.
But this isn`t about cheating. This is about molesting a girl that he has known since she was 12-years-old. Okay? Can you help me get into the mind
of this wife?
CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST, L.A. COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES: Oh, yeah, she`s in absolute denial. That`s how desperate this
woman is to be loved. That she will love a broken man like that because when he`s broken, she now has a purpose and a job duty, and that`s to love
him.
GRACE: Do I have Dr. Gallagher with me? Dr. Gallagher, thank you for staying with us. Dr. Gallagher, there are claims that the baby of this
molestation victim is the pastor`s. Can that be determined in vitro, while the baby is still in the womb?
TIM GALLAGHER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: It sure can, Nancy. The baby`s DNA is composed half of the father and half of the mother. The baby`s DNA can be
sent through something called CVS, Chorionic Villus Sampling, and that DNA can be analyzed to determine the parentage of the child.
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J. MALONE: Being a husband is my first calling, not being a dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for the 33-year-old Pennsylvania church pastor, who they say sexually assaulted a teenage girl, and now
she`s pregnant.
J. MALONE: We come up against some just really major personal issues for me and family issues for us together.
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GRACE: That is on YouTube. And don`t be fooled. Don`t let your own eyes trick you.
Looking at this pastor, you`d never know he has felony sexual charges outstanding as he`s sitting there with his long-suffering wife. He`s
apparently hiding out in Ecuador right now. Take a look at more of the YouTube videos these two incomprehensively have posted.
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J. MALONE: Being a husband is my first calling, not being a dad. Being a wife -- Libby`s first calling to me is to be my wife, and that`s really the
most important calling that God has given us each as a family.
So we`ve decided to take a step back from our calling to ministry for a time. So that`s on one hand, it`s kind of really difficult because we love
our church. We love the ministry God has called us to. But at the same, we`re really excited about what God is going to do in us and in our lives
and in our family as we focus 100 percent of our time on that calling that He has given us.
We`re just really excited about this time. Even though it is difficult, we really believe that God is going to bring a lot of good through it. And so
we really have -- we`re blessed by the fact that we have support from Pastor Lee and from the board of elders in our church that (inaudible),
that this is really good. We`re all really on the same page about this.
So I guess, in summary, please be praying for us as we go through this time over the next few months. And we -- we just really love to stay in contact
with you guys. Thank you for listening.
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GRACE: OK. I don`t even know what to say after I saw that last smile that he threw at the camera. That`s from YouTube.
OK. Speaking of prayers, Solomon Jones, WURD, what about the sex molest victim who is now pregnant, we think, by this pastor, Jacob "Jake" Malone?
So, do we know the baby is his, Solomon?
JONES: Yeah, our understanding is that he admitted when he was confronted by the church that he impregnated this young girl. She is now 19-years-old.
And she`s supposed to be six to seven months pregnant at this time.
GRACE: To Dr. Gallagher, Tim Gallagher, joining us out of Daytona Beach. The test that you mentioned that can determine if the baby is his, is that
invasive? Did they have to stick a needle in her or can they get that from blood or urine?
GALLAGHER: They do have to stick a needle in the womb where the baby is and withdraw some of the fluid from that womb.
GRACE: Or they could just wait until the baby is born and get DNA then. That would be better, right?
GALLAGHER: Absolutely. That would be the least invasive measure that they can do that by.
GRACE: Guys, let`s stop and remember. American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Steven Reynolds, he`s 32, Jordan, New York, bronze star, Purple Heart,
buried in Arlington. A real history buff, loved the outdoors and fishing. Parents, Shirley and Norman. Sister, Kimberly. Steven Reynolds, American
hero.
And special happy birthday to our superstar, Sovy, he`s a new uncle. Loves traveling, the Yankees, and time with that baby nephew, Sebastian.
Everybody next, our one-hour special on the Teresa Halbach murder trial.
Thanks to all our guests, but especially to you. Nancy Grace, signing off. But right now, stay with us for this upcoming hour. Good night, friend.
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