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2-year-old Tennessee Boy Goes Missing on Walk With Grandma; Scorned Wife Attacks Husband`s Mistress; "Making a Murderer" Conspiracies; 911 Misses Emergency Calls While Ordering Pizza. Aired 8-9p ET
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Pinson, Tennessee. Temperatures plunging to just 8 degrees in the Tennessee mountains as the
search turns desperate for a little 2-year-old boy who disappears hiking with Grandma. Focus now turning to local registered sex offenders, 28
within just a 10-mile radius of where the tot goes missing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Noah`s grandmother says she was hiking in the woods behind her house with Noah and Noah`s 4-year-old sister. She says she was
focused on the 4-year-old for one minute. And when she turned back, Noah was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been cold, wet, muddy, lots of hills, a lot of hard terrain, a lot of swamps, a lot of bottoms. I just pray that the
boy`s good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Don`t mess with my man! Caught on tape, the shocking moment a scorned wife viciously attacks her cheating husband`s alleged mistress,
seconds before throwing her off a bridge, and it`s all caught on video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caught on video, a scorned wife grabs her husband`s alleged mistress by the hair and repeatedly hits her in the head. The only
person that seems to step in does so to aid the aggressor in tossing the victim into the water.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from Liveleak.com.
And caught on tape, a 911 operator misses emergency calls when a man goes into deadly seizures. Why? Because she`s busy ordering pizza.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her patient has a seizure in the exam room. The staff immediately calls 911. They let the phone ring for what they felt
like was several minutes, and no one answered. We now know why.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, what can I get for you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me have one five-foot (ph) cheese pizza.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Missing photographer 25-year-old Teresa Halbach bone and teeth found on the property of Steven Avery so badly burned, the most advanced
DNA testing needed. A Netflix documentary reels in record viewers, convincing viewers Avery innocent in Teresa`s brutal death as Avery`s
fiancee tells us the real truth about Avery.
Bombshell tonight. Avery`s mother now insisting murder victim Teresa Halbach is still alive and that she`s actually part of the conspiracy to
convict her son, Steven Avery.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEVEN AVERY, CONVICTED OF MURDER: I`m innocent!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.
AVERY: I`m an innocent man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Behind closed doors, he`s a monster.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steven Avery is one of the most dangerous individuals.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bone fragments found in Avery`s burn pit belonged to Teresa Halbach.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live, Pinson, Tennessee. Temperatures plunging to just 8 degrees in the Tennessee mountains as the search turning desperate for a
2-year-old little boy who disappears hiking with Grandma. Focus now turning to local registered sex offenders, 28 of them to be exact, within
just a 10-mile radius of where this tot goes missing.
Straight out to Michael Quander with CNN affiliate WREG. Michael, thank you for being with us. Tell me about the search.
MICHAEL QUANDER, WREG CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, they actually are out there right now at a field not too far away from where I am right now at
the Pinson Baptist church in Pinson, Tennessee. Now, right now, they`re using law enforcement crews from across the state and even outside of the
state, including as far as Florida, Missouri, and some other places like north Mississippi, as well.
GRACE: Everyone, for those of you just joining us, a 2-year-old little boy, Noah Chamberlin, missing, white male, blue eyes, blonde hair, just two
feet tall. He only weighs 25 pounds.
Noah (sic) Quander with me, WREG, on the scene. What can you tell me about how Noah went missing?
QUANDER: Well, he went missing last Thursday. He was hiking with his grandmother, with his 4-year-old sister, right behind their house in a very
-- very wooded area. The grandmother tells the sheriff she turned her back to check on the 4-year-old for a quick second. She turns around, and then
she finds out that the 2-year-old went missing at that point. And so there`s a mad dash to find him ever since then.
[20:05:00]GRACE: OK, I don`t understand what you`re saying, Michael Quander. Michael, you`re saying that the grandmother takes Noah, the 2-
year-old, and the 4-year-old sister for a walk, basically a nature walk. They were not on a hiking trail, so to speak. They were just walking
through a path in the woods behind their home. It`s an extremely rural area.
And then the grandmother turns her attention to the 4-year-old for how long? Because how did a 2-year-old get away that quickly?
QUANDER: Well, that`s the question that everyone has been asking here, and we have not gotten very clear details from the sheriff. He`s been giving
us very short interviews out here. We`ve been trying to push him for some more answers as to what this story is as of right now. But a lot of things
in the story not all the way adding up, and people definitely have some questions about that right now.
GRACE: With me, Michael Quander joining us, WREG. Also with me, Keith Sherley joining us. Keith, thank you so much for being with us.
For those of you taking a look at little Noah`s face right now, the temperatures are plunging to just 8 degrees in the Tennessee mountains.
This little boy was out for a walk with his grandmother and his 4-year-old big sister. She turns the attention to the 4-year-old sister. The 2-year-
old wanders away. Nobody can find the baby.
Keith Sherley, what can you tell me about the search? I understand it started small, but now it`s gotten big.
KEITH SHERLEY, 101.5 FM (via telephone): The search has gone on last night, 450 volunteers came through between 5:45 and about 3:00 o`clock this
morning. And that`s been the pace regularly as they search.
And it is a difficult area to traverse. This is timberland country. And so you have trees that have been shed (ph) for timber. You have stumps.
Some of those stumps have rotted. You have sinkholes, gutties (ph), gullies, Ravines. You have water in the area. This is a very rough,
rugged area to traverse through.
And the way that it has been described to me that the events were taking place, is the grandmother and the two children were out for a walk in this
area, and as you`re walking along the children run ahead. They run behind you. They`re running around. You know they`re there, but you`re not
consciously watching every move because there`s no danger in the area. And so it was under these type of circumstances that Noah disappeared.
GRACE: Michael Quander joining us. What is the temperature tonight? Is it actually going to be 8 degrees?
QUANDER: It`s going to be pretty cold. Last night, it got as cold as 15 degrees out here. And they`re also expecting a possibility of sleet, maybe
some flurries out here. And so it`s a very big concern about where this little boy could be and for volunteers that could be going back out to
search tonight.
GRACE: Michael, how far away was the grandmother, Noah, age 2, the sister, age 4, from the family home? Because they had gone into the woods to go
just hiking around, a little nature walk. These are very young children. He`s just 2. How far had they gotten from their home when he goes missing?
QUANDER: Well, you know, they also -- this is another detail that we`re still waiting to get clear information from the sheriff on. They have not
told us exactly how far the distance was away from the home and exactly when the grandmother I guess realized and reported this. We were told that
she reported it around 1:19 Thursday afternoon. And so you have to imagine that it was still daylight out there, and they still were not able to find
him.
GRACE: You know, this is getting extremely murky to me, Keith Sherley, the news director, 101.5, Keith, because she reports the child missing at 1:19.
I imagine that she tried to do her own search when she realized he was gone. Why were the children with the grandmother that day?
SHERLEY: The children were dropped off that day with the grandmother, we are told, because the mother was going shopping. It was not uncommon for
the grandparents to have the children and for the children to visit there. It was not uncommon.
It was an unusually warm day that day. It was 61, 62 degrees. And this is a farm. And again, it`s rural area, so it`s not like you`re leaving and
there`s a nature park behind you. This is rural, rugged territory.
GRACE: So this is really like just going outside and they are playing in the woods behind the home.
Back to you, Mike -- Keith Sherley. Do you know why they are not giving the detail as to how far away from home the baby goes missing?
SHERLEY: Well, I think that would be a difficult question to answer because there wasn`t a particular point, from what I understand, where you
-- where the baby goes missing.
[20:10:02]It`s not like you`re -- it`s not like there`s a point where you say, OK, now the child is missing. If you`re out in your yard and you`re
playing with your children and you look up and you see them and they`re playing and they run in and they run out, there`s no real point that you
go, They`re missing, because they`re just in the back yard playing.
GRACE: I know, but if I`m with them, I know where I am when I realize the child is missing. I mean, to this day, I remember in Babies R Us, when I
looked around and I didn`t see John David, my son, OK? Of course, he had just gone one row over, but I can remember, rooted to my spot, when I
looked both ways and he wasn`t there.
So I can`t understand why we can`t put our finger on where the baby was, where the grandmother was, when the child goes missing.
Let me ask you this. Keith Sherley, have scent dogs, tracking dogs been called in?
SHERLEY: The best in dogs and (INAUDIBLE) every resource that is available not just in Tennessee, but in the southeast and around the country have
been brought in, state officials, Tennessee wildlife officials, Department of Corrections officials that track escaped convicts. Federal officials
have come in to help and interview people.
There have been every resource in the area that is available, helicopters from the military, military personnel, a plethora of services on the
ground.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, there`s trails all over the area, and he was on a trail when he went missing. We have searched all around those trails. So
There`s -- I don`t -- I wouldn`t be afraid to say there`s hundreds of miles of trails.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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[20:15:56]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Noah`s grandmother says she was hiking in the woods behind her house with Noah and Noah`s 4-year-old sister. She says
she was focused on the 4-year-old for one minute, and when she turned back, Noah was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been cold, wet, muddy, lots of hills, a lot of hard terrain, a lot of swamps, a lot of bottoms. I just pray that the
boy`s good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Breaking news right now. This 2-year-old little boy is missing in the Tennessee mountains, Noah Chamberlin out with his grandma and 4-year-
old sister, playing in the woods a little distance behind their home. It`s timberland. Tonight, we expect temperatures to plunge to 8 degrees in that
section of the Tennessee mountain range.
Noah is missing. He was walking through the woods with Grandma and 4-year- old older sister when the grandmother notices he`s not there.
With me on the scene is Keith Sherley, the news director at 101.5. Also with me, Tracy Sargent and Marc Klaas.
Back to you, Keith Sherley. I have not seen the parents. Are they at the command center, the search center?
SHERLEY: They have been, yes. They`ve been there and at the family home.
GRACE: Have they issued a public plea for help?
SHERLEY: They are working with authorities in every way and cooperating with authorities in every way that they can. But right now, this is being
treated as a child that is lost, and so they have appealed -- they are allowing law enforcement to handle all of the appeals.
GRACE: Right. Everyone, the tip line is 1-800-TBI-FIND, 1-800-824-3463. There are at least 2,800 registered sex offenders in just a 10-mile radius.
Apparently, little Noah wanders off, walking through the woods with Grandma. Tonight, prayers going up in the search for 2-year-old Noah.
Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, even when the dogs were brought in, scent dogs, no sign of Noah on that trail.
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Yes. Nancy, I think a possible scenario would be that Grandmother inadvertently spent more than a minute
with her attention devoted to the little girl, rather than the little boy, and that somehow he has fallen into a sinkhole or a well or perhaps even
been taken by a critter, a bear or something along those lines.
The idea, though, that a sex offender would be trolling in the neighborhood and was somehow able to commit this crime, I think is pretty far-fetched.
GRACE: I think it`s far-fetched too, but I always remember, Marc Klaas, the story of Shasta and Dylan Groene, if you will recall, very, very remote
home where a sex offender did break in, kill the whole family and take Shasta and Dylan. Remember that? So it`s not unheard of.
I think your scenario is what happened, because I`m telling you, Marc., when I told you about John David, I seriously was reaching back, trying to
get to the back of an -- of a row to get something, lotion or powder or something. Turn around, put it in, turned around, John David had run away.
It was just that quick, maybe 45 seconds, a minute. So it can happen.
But it seems to me, Keith Sherley, 101.5, if she looked around the area, in the woods, she would have seen him. Maybe she was with the little girl
three minutes, five minutes, and the child managed to get away and get lost.
You said it`s a very rugged terrain, Keith Sherley. Please describe it for me.
SHERLEY: This is timber country. There are ruts. There are gullies. There are ravines. The land has -- some of the land has been cleared for
timber. Other timber has grown back in its place. So you have the timber refuse that`s left. You have rotten stumps. You can be walking along,
sinkholes can appear where there weren`t any. You can step down on a stump, and it`s rotted. And these sinkholes will drop down 12 feet or more
in the ground. And then when they do, they go also out into a lateral direction. So it`s a very rough area.
[20:20:06]And it`s a little bit confusing when if you -- if you imagine that I`m looking at you, and then suddenly, I look around and you`re gone,
it`s not really that scenario. The children are out -- when you say in the back yard, it`s a very -- this is what -- the timbers are what the back
yard looks like. And there are trails through there.
But then if you`re watching the children and they`re running and they`re playing, and so they`re darting in and out. So there`s not really a moment
where you go, OK, I`m looking at you and now I`m looking over here. You`re just watching children play, and at a point realize you haven`t seen Noah
come out.
But you know where the last place you saw him was. And the grandmother specifically told them where the last place she saw him. And scent dogs
have confirmed that.
GRACE: Oh, OK. Keith Sherley, listen, I grew up in timberland and playing out in the forest all day long on weekends, after school. I hear you,
especially what you`re saying about sinkholes. I mean, Grandma could look one way, then go take care of the girl, put a coat on her, whatever, and
then not really realize the child is gone.
No one is suggesting this grandma had any nefarious intent whatsoever, none at all, nor the parents, not at all. Tonight, it is all about Noah
Chamberlin, this 2-year-old boy last seen wearing a gray shirt and bluejeans, out with Grandma and 4-year-old sister playing in the woods
behind the home. It`s a very rugged terrain, timberland. Tonight, those temperatures plunging to 8 degrees.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:25:42]GRACE: Breaking news right now. This 2-year-old little boy is missing in the Tennessee mountains, Noah Chamberlin out with his grandma
and 4-year-old sister, playing in the woods a little distance behind their home. It`s timberland. Tonight, those temperatures plunging to 8 degrees.
Keith Sherley with me, news director, 101.5. Keith, you just told me something new. You`re telling me that the scent dogs, the tracker dogs,
did confirm that he was on that path?
SHERLEY: The scent dogs -- there has been confirmation that the -- that the child was in the area and on the path where grandmother said. They
just haven`t picked up scent to say what happened, to have been able to locate him.
GRACE: Right. And to follow him from there. Tracy Sargent joining me out of Cedartown (ph), search, rescue and recovery expert. Tracy, how can the
dogs lose the scent? And we have been told a whole new team of dogs have been brought in, a second team, to try to pick up the scent of this little
boy. How does that work, Tracy?
TRACY SARGENT, SEARCH, RESCUE AND RECOVERY EXPERT (via telephone): Yes, Nancy. In these situations, when you have a small child such as Noah --
he`s only 25 pounds. He`s not going to be giving off a lot of scent.
Apparently, the weather conditions and the terrain conditions also challenge the dogs, too. Currently, the cold weather affects him, and in
essence, he`s not going to be as strong a scent to the dogs as he would, let`s say, in normal weather. So there`s a lot of challenges as far as
scent conditions for the dog teams in this kind of scenario.
GRACE: Everyone, with me, Tracy Sargent, search, rescue and recovery expert. Tracy, so you`re saying it`s entirely feasible, and it makes sense
to you, under these conditions, they could lose the scent of the little boy?
SARGENT: That`s correct, Nancy. Again, him being such a small child, again, only 25 pounds, and also depending upon the time from where he went
missing to the time that the dogs got on the scene. Was it minutes, was it hours, was it days?
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I know it was the same -- I think it was the same day. I think it was the same day, but we don`t know how many hours.
SARGENT: OK.
GRACE: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, certified death investigator and professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. So Scott, we need
help. Everybody`s got to join together to try to find 2-year-old missing Noah. What do you make of it?
JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: First off, I am praying for this little angel right now. I hope that they do find him. One of the
problems that they`re faced with is exposure. And he`s been missing for some time now.
One of the things we`re going to be looking for here, and that they need to keep in mind, is that along with exposure comes dehydration, not to mention
frostbite and hypothermia. With hypothermia comes disorientation. You even have a syndrome where people begin to take their clothes off. They`re
confused. They become lethargic. They lay down, which is one of the worst possible things you can do in a cold environment because your body is
fighting or shivering to stay warm. And of course, when you become lethargic, you begin to freeze.
[20:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Don`t mess with my man! "Caught On Tape." The shocking moment a scorned wife viciously attacks her cheating husband`s alleged mistress just
seconds before throwing her off a bridge! And it`s all caught on video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The scorned wife drags the other woman by the hair, across a large parking lot to a small bridge, beaten, dragged by her hair
and tossed off a bridge into the water. And it`s all caught on video.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from liveleak.com. That`s the tip of the iceberg. Liz, I want to roll this in its entirety. Look at this! Talk about evidence in
court!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) stand aside (ph).
(SCREAMING)
GRACE: I would like to know who is videoing the whole thing. Ow!
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
GRACE: Don`t let go -- oh, she let go, and here she goes, straight for the bridge. Ow! On the asphalt!
(SCREAMING)
GRACE: Who is videoing this for Pete`s sake? This is a cell phone, they could call police.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
GRACE: Ooh. You are seeing a wife viciously attacking her husband`s alleged mistress.
(SCREAMING)
GRACE: Oh! Now somebody is helping her. Who is that?
What you just saw was a scorned wife attacking her husband`s alleged mistress, dragging her by the hair and throwing her off a bridge! Now, I
want to go first to Candace Trunzo, Senior News Editor at dailymail.com.
Do we have any idea what this woman is going to be charged with? I mean, that`s a good 20-foot, 25-foot throw. Straight into the water. Candace?
[20:35:00] CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM SENIOR NEWS EDITOR: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. It could be assault, Nancy. I mean, it`s clear as crystal that this
woman -- this scorned wife, had it in for this alleged mistress of her husband. And she beat up on her, dragged her by her hair, smacked her, and
threw her over a bridge into the water. It`s a good thing she survived.
GRACE: I want to go to the lawyers. Unleash the lawyers. Carissa Kranz joining me out of Florida. David Lee Windecher, defense attorney out of
Atlanta, author of "The American Dream: History in the Making."
OK, First to you, Windecher. This is clearly a felony-aggravated assault, because she takes the woman and throws her over a bridge!
DAVID LEE WINDECHER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s right, Nancy. That might be the case. But if it`s a crime of passion, because she caught the husband in
the act of being, you know -- cheating on her, then she could act on that impulse and she would have a strong defense based on it being a crime of
passion.
So she could say she`s temporarily insane based on the provocation of catching her husband cheating on her.
GRACE: That video from liveleak.com. OK, let me see the lawyers. Carissa Kranz and David Lee Windecher.
OK, David, let`s clarify "heat of passion" argument. That`s a valid defense. That you are so inflamed that in the moment you commit a criminal
act. However, we clearly see she didn`t just catch her husband in the act because they`re all fully dressed. They`re outside.
The woman, as you can see, is clinging on to a gate for dear life. So whatever event propelled this did not just happen. And speaking of
propelling, that`s just what she did, David. She threw her. She propelled her straight off the side of a bridge! So it`s not like she just caught her
husband with this woman.
Carissa Kranz, what`s your best defense?
CARISSA KRANZ, ATTORNEY: We don`t know what she caught her husband with or when. I would also argue, I agree, it`s "heat of passion." You know, I
don`t know why she is going after the wife -- or the mistress and not the husband as well. But obviously, something provoked her to throw ...
GRACE: Okay, is your defense ...
KRANZ: ... her off the bridge.
GRACE: Do I understand you, Carissa Kranz? That the defense is that she should be attacking her husband, too? Is that what you just said?
KRANZ: She should be confronting her husband. She doesn`t have to be ...
GRACE: OK. That`s still not a defense. She could confront her husband. But why throw the woman off the bridge? She`s not married to her. What about
the cheating husband?
My question is, have either of you read the paragraph B to "heat of passion?" it`s called cooling off period. Are you familiar with that,
Carissa? Because if you`re angry and you want revenge, you`re out for blood.
But you`ve got, say, a 10-minute interval to calm down and collect yourself. That`s called the cooling off period under the law. And if you
have time to "cool off, "what you`re doing turns into revenge.
KRANZ: But we don`t know if she had time to cool off. We haven`t seen what happened before that video was taken.
GRACE: Well I know, David Lee Windecher -- point well taken, Carissa. I know for sure they had time to get their clothes back on at the very least.
But who was this woman? Take it -- roll it again, Liz. Who is this woman that helps her? What, she just joins in for moral support in throwing a
woman off a bridge? Let`s start over and take it from the beginning with sound.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) stand aside (ph).
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)
(SCREAMING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible)
GRACE: Is that man standing there? Stay on the video. Candace Trunzo, is that the husband standing by?
TRUNZO: We think that that`s just -- no. Because we think it`s just neighbors, people who were in the area, who were, you know -- I mean, it`s
unbelievable that no one came to this woman`s rescue.
And then, not only that, to top it off, the friend of the wife came and helped her throw her off the bridge. So no one came to the defense of this
woman who supposedly cheated with the husband.
GRACE: Whoa. In fact, one of her girlfriends seems to join in the fun. That video from liveleak.com. Joe Scott Morgan joining me, Certified Death
Investigator and Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
OK, Joe Scott, when you throw someone 25, 30 feet into a lake or stream, you don`t know what`s at the bottom -- rocks, glass, old pieces of
equipment kind of mechanics that people throw into ponds and streams. That`s a pretty good fall if she had hit her head the wrong way.
[20:40:00] JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: Yeah. I`ve got to tell you. It`s not just the fall, either, Nancy. When she was
initially grabbing her -- let`s take a look at her pounding her in the head with an open hand. That could lead to concussion and soft tissue injury.
And then pulling her by the hair across asphalt. She`s going to have injuries to the connective tissue in her neck, down her spine, and not to
mention those nasty abrasions she`s going to get on the asphalt.
And then pitching her over the side with the help of someone else. You never know what`s beneath the surface of the water. Hell hath no fury,
Nancy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:45:00] GRACE: Missing photographer, 25-year-old Teresa Halbach, bone and teeth found on the property of Steven Avery so badly burned. The most
advanced DNA testing needed. A Netflix documentary reels in record viewers, convincing them Avery innocent in Teresa`s murder.
Three hundred thousand petitioned the White House and the Governor to free the cold-blooded killers, as Avery`s fiancee tells us the real truth about
Avery.
Bombshell tonight. Avery`s mother now insisting murder victim Teresa Halbach is still alive and that Teresa is actually part of the conspiracy
to convict her son, Steven Avery.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steven Avery, with first-degree intentional homicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A significant amount of blood was also discovered in Teresa Halbach`s vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While fans dissect the series and the case online, even circulating a petition urging a Presidential pardon.
STEVEN AVERY, CONVICT: When you know you`re innocent, you will keep on going.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Dan O`Donnell, anchor/reporter with WISN.
Dan, first off, I want you to hear what Steven Avery`s mother is now claiming. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who do you think killed Teresa?
DOLORES AVERY, STEVEN AVERY`S MOTHER: I don`t know. But I wish the person would get -- come forward. But I don`t think she`s even dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How?
AVERY: I don`t think so.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, so ...
AVERY: There`s so many of them say that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe -- so do you believe that she cooperated with the police in a conspiracy to set your son up?
AVERY: It could be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever a moment that you questioned your son`s innocence?
AVERY: What do you mean by that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has there ever been any time that you thought, wow, this is -- there`s a lot of stuff here. I`m not sure. You`ve always steadfastly
believed in him.
AVERY: I believed in him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you want people who are upset about your son to do?
AVERY: To get him out. He belongs out. He doesn`t belong in there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s Steven Avery`s mother on WAAF radio. Dan O`Donnell, WISN.
So, now the mother of Steven Avery is saying she thinks Teresa Halbach is actually alive, and that she`s part of the police conspiracy to put her son
behind bars. What about it, Dan?
DAN O`DONNELL, ANCHOR/REPORTER WISN: Well, I know there are a lot of vehicles on the Avery family salvage yard. Apparently, one of them has
taken Dolores Avery to crazy town.
This is just not sane. This isn`t a rational answer to a question. Of course Teresa Halbach is dead. Forensic evidence has proven definitively
that the bones found in her son`s burn pit were hers.
To suggest that she`s in on it with the police? I don`t even know how to respond to that, it`s so insane.
GRACE: Joining me right now is a dear friend of Teresa Halbach`s. Her name, Chris Nerat. Chris, thank you so much for being with us.
CHRIS NERAT, TERESA HALBACH`S FRIEND: Thank you for having me, Nancy.
GRACE: Chris, what do you make of the Avery family`s bizarre claim now that your friend, Teresa Halbach, is actually alive and that she`s part of the
conspiracy to frame Steven Avery?
NERAT: Yeah. I mean, that`s the first I`ve ever heard of that. And I mean, it`s a shame that people are giving her the forum to spew that crazy talk.
I mean, it`s just -- it`s ridiculous.
GRACE: With me is Teresa`s friend, Chris Merit. Chris, what do you make of the Netflix documentary that lays out a very one-sided case that Steven
Avery is innocent of Teresa`s murder and was framed?
NERAT: Yeah. I mean, I`m not going to lie. I watched the whole thing, and it`s interesting. But it`s -- you know, I read what`s come out after that
as far as the evidence that was left out of the documentary, and anyone that`s seen what`s came out after the documentary, I think it`s pretty
obvious that Avery is guilty.
And I also think that anyone that took part in that petition to set him free is ignorant, and acted irresponsibly. I mean, there`s 12 jurors that
saw the entire trial. These people that signed the petition didn`t see the entire trial, and they`re still signing a petition to set him free. I don`t
think they would want their kids living next to him.
GRACE: With me is Chris Nerat, a friend of Teresa Halbach`s. Do you remember the day that you discovered Teresa was missing or dead?
NERAT: I remember getting a text. I was living in Las Vegas at the time, October 31st, 2005. And I remember, because it was Halloween, and one of my
friends texted me and said Teresa is missing.
And, you know, from that point it started a chain reaction of me following the news like everyone else and talking to my friends that were closer,
being in Green Bay and it`s just -- it`s been surreal. I`m confused about the whole thing, and it`s been crazy.
[20:50:00] GRACE: With me is Chris Nerat, friend of Teresa Halbach. I want you to hear more of what Steven Avery`s mother is saying, all this claims
that her son was framed by police. Well, now she`s claiming Teresa Halbach herself, the dead photographer, just 25 years old, is part of the
conspiracy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that she is not dead even though her bones were found on your property?
AVERY: How do you know if they were her bones?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the anthropologist testified, the medical examiner -- so do you -- so do you think that those were ...
AVERY: Because somebody planted them there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. Now, the car ...
AVERY: Planted the key.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They planted the key. Yeah, they planted the key. Do you believe that the blood that was in the car came from that sample of blood
that was Steven`s blood sample?
AVERY: Could`ve been anybody. For when he was at the doctor when he first got out before. He had to go to the doctor and he gave blood there.
Could`ve been that blood. Who knows?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do you believe that the police were out to get your family?
AVERY: They`ve always been that way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is that though?
AVERY: I don`t know. They don`t like us, I suppose.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any particular -- like just -- just they chose to not like you or, I mean, do you feel like that they were -- do you feel like
they were always out to get you, right?
AVERY: They were always that way.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s Steven Avery`s own mother on WAAF Radio. To Dr. William Morrone, renowned forensic pathologist joining us tonight.
Dr. Morrone, she`s also claiming that, "those bones are not Teresa Halbach`s."
WILLIAM MORRONE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: There`s absolutely no way the forensic testing on that, it`s the finest, and when we look at the recent
advances, it`s been confirmed through state bureaucracies, polices and universities. Those are the bones of the deceased.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: "Caught On Tape," a 911 operator misses the emergency calls when a man goes into deadly seizures. Why? Because she`s busy ordering pizza.
Straight out to Karen Curtis, news anchor, WFTL. A guy is going into deadly seizures and the 911 dispatch operator is ordering a pizza. Did I get that
straight, Karen?
KAREN CURTIS, WFTI NEWS ANCHOR: Yes, Frances Francois from the Broward Emergency Operator Center is on the phone for eight minutes ordering lunch
for herself and other operators in the room.
There are eight operators on the phone. She`s the only one available to take this incoming call from a client at Clearsight Opticians who fell out
of the chair having seizures and convulsing and faints, so people at the optometry office called 911.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what can I get for you?
FRANCES FRANCOIS, 911 OPERATOR: Let me have one slice of cheese pizza.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.
FRANCOIS: Let me have a lunch special for -- the pizza lunch special, two cheese pizzas and a Coke.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.
FRANCOIS: Let me have the lunch special, two pepperonis and a Coke.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.
FRANCOIS: Let me have a -- one slice of pepperoni pizza.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is the 911 dispatch operator who is missing calls including a guy going into deadly seizures. Heidi Peterson, dispatch manager of
Pleasant Grove Public Safety, a 911 Call System Expert.
Heidi Peterson, thank you for being with us. What I understand, Heidi, is that not only do you hear the call coming in, but you can see visually a
light up on the screen that you`re getting calls, and she`s sitting right there going, oh OK. Oil and vinegar, fine. Can`t you see that calls are
coming in as well?
HEIDI PETERSON, 911 CALL SYSTEM EXPERT: Yes, she should have been able to see that on her phone display. On our system, our 911 lines flash red when
it`s ringing unlike you said the 911 lines have a different ring tone to alert you to those emergency calls.
GRACE: Michael Christian, why -- has this woman been fired?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, she has received a letter of reprimand that`s in her file.
GRACE: A letter of -- oh, oh, it`s in her file. Ooh. OK. That`s scary. Why hasn`t she been fired?
CHRISTIAN: Part of the reason that the government said that she did not get anything more than a letter of reprimand is that she`s apparently had no
discipline problems in the past.
GRACE: Tonight, we highlight West Virginia University Police Officer, Carlton Smith. When the scheduled singer for the West Virginia University
basketball game was stuck in traffic in a bad snowstorm, Officer Carlton Smith was asked to sing the national anthem in her place.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CARLTON SMITH, WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY POLICE OFFICER: "O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave, O`er the land of the free and the home of
the brave?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What a wonderful way to say good night.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you. Nancy Grace, signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8 o`clock sharp, Eastern, and until then, good
night.
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