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Report: Terror Attack Kills 28 In Turkish Capital; Turkish Military Says Blast Targeted Military Buses; Humanitarian Aid Beginning To Reach Syrian Civilians; Pope Francis Travels To U.S.-Mexican Border; Judge Orders Apple To Help FBI Unlock Phone; Obama, Trump Have A History Of Friction; Gov. Nikki Haley Endorses Rubio in South Carolina; China Deploys Missiles to Disputed Island; Turkish Car Bombing Discussed; Apple Refuses to Obey Court Order to Unlock Terrorist's iPhone. Aired 3-4p ET

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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Lynda Kinkade live from the CNN Center sitting in for Hala Gorani. This is the WORLD


The Turkish military claims a deadly explosion in the capital of Ankura was an act of terrorism. Turkish deputy prime minister says the blast killed

at least 28 people and wounded dozens more.

The military says it targeted military buses stopped at a target light. We will have new video that purportedly shows the moment of impact according

to the DHA TV. You can see a busy street in Ankura and we're about to show you a bus stopped on the side of a road.

You will see a flash and everything goes white then there's smoke and fire. Our CNN international correspondent, Arwa Damon joins me live now from

Istanbul with details on the attack.

Arwa, unlike the recent attacks we've seen in Turkey, this one was directed at the military. What can you tell us so far?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the government is calling it an act of terrorism and one that was well planned according

to the deputy prime minister as that convoy came to a stop at that traffic light.

The area where it happened is also very close to the Turkish general staff building as well as the parliament and the building and you were mentioning

the death tool and they're fearing that it's going to rise.

Right now standing at 28 killed and 61 wounded. Unclear at this stage how many of them were civilians and how many of them were military personnel

riding in that convoy that included the military buses as well as other vehicles.

The very difficult process of trying to identify those that died is now under way. The Turkish security apparatus and emergency services were

responding very quickly arriving on scene within minutes and trying to secure the area.

That was a fairly dramatic scene as we have been showing in this video with that huge fire that erupted as well as the seemingly large blast that was

caused by, according to authorities at this stage, a vehicle packed with explosives.

Now the Turkish government is not yet blaming or saying that any one group in particular was responsible for the attack, but the Turkish president has

issued a statement saying this will only strengthen the Turkish governments resolve.

KINKADE: Besides issuing that statement, how else is the government responding? I understand that the Turkish prime minister has cancelled his

trip to Brussels. Exactly what are they going to do to respond to yet another attack?

DAMON: Well, look, in the past when these attacks have happened and they have sadly been happening fairly frequently especially over the past year.

The government has come out and blamed ISIS for them.

If you will remember these past attacks were mostly targeting civilians during demonstrations. We saw it happening over the summer in a border

town along the Syria-Turkey border.

We saw the horrific twin suicide bombings in Ankura back in October that killed well over 100 people. The single deadliest attack in Turkey's

modern day history and then more recently we have the suicide bombing in the touristic part of Istanbul targeting a group of German tourist.

But this appears to be different and that it was going after the military. So in the past after these attacks we have seen large masses happening

countrywide although this do happen on a fairly regular basis with hundreds of people being taken into custody.

In this case it's really going to depend probably largely on who it is and responsible. The two main culprits, ISIS on the one hand that does and has

issued direct threats to Turkey.

But also you have this ongoing and battle between the Turkish government and the Kurdish separatist group, the PKK. Now they have been fighting

mostly in the south eastern part of the country, huge swaths of it are war zones.

Areas of it are under constant curfew with hundreds of people having been killed over the last few months. This also has moved into what Turkey

considers to be one battle zone between Turkey and Syria as Syrian Kurdish groups continue to advance in that country.

[15:05:11]So it's a phenomenally complicated situation, Lynda. We have been seeing Turkey especially since the weekend and launching this cross

border artillery strikes trying to stop the Syrian Kurds from advancing.

They have been battling the PKK within their own territories and of course, they're always constantly bracing themselves for these types of attacks

either from the PKK and ISIS, and from any number of other smaller tourists organizations that are known to operate within the borders as well.

KINKADE: OK. Arwa Damon, we appreciate you in the field there for us in Istanbul. Thank you very much.

Now to a humanitarian breakthrough in Syria. Eight convoys are beginning to roll into towns under siege to deliver badly needed food and medical


The U.N. says dozens of trucks reached one Damascus suburb today with enough aid for 30,000 thousand people. U.N. workers haven't been able to

raise supplied the town in two years.

The U.N. envoy negotiated access to seven besieged areas and you can see five of them on this map in relation to the capital of Damascus. Two other

towns are due to receive supplies soon.

Our Frederik Pleitgen traveled with an aid convoy heading for Medaya, a town where people have literally been starving to death. He gave us this

update from the road just a short time ago.


FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: After a long time coming, the first convoys have departed central Damascus on their way

to get aid to besiege areas here in Damascus area, but also in other parts of Syria as well.

Now some of the places that these convoys are going through are actually near the Syrian capital, but one of the places is also Medaya.

Of course, this place shocked the world when images showed people starving because they simply did not have any food and also no medicine as well.

Now, the United Nations has accused the Syrian government, rebel groups and first and foremost, ISIS of using the denial of food and medicine as a

weapon in this ongoing civil war.

Some of the areas that are reached by these convoys today are in areas that are besieged by the government and others by rebel groups. However, one of

the main areas is besieged by ISIS. That's the eastern Syrian town of (inaudible).

The united nations wants to do there is air drop aid in because of course, ISIS is not part of any sort of agreement to get relief to people.

Now the U.N. says this is a positive first step, but they also demand that from now on convoys be allowed to get into besieged areas to get people aid

there. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, near Medaya, Syria.


KINKADE: And Fred spoke with the U.N. special envoy who negotiated these humanitarian deliveries. In an exclusive interview, Staffan de Mistura

have the next few days and indeed the next few hours are a critical test of an agreement to those fighting.


STAFFAN DE MISTURA, U.N. SPECIAL ENVOY TO SYRIA: It's not important and it's essential and crucial for two reasons. First because they're now more

than 400,000 people living in besieged areas, 400,000 Syrians.

Besieged both by the government and most of it but also by ISIL and the resort 200,000 of them and by the opposition. And secondly because the

people have been literally starving and when they're not starving, they're very close to it.

Even in (inaudible), they are starting suffering and three, because this is a test. It's a test on what was decided in Munich. It was clearly a

commitment by everyone to ensure that this would be happening.


KINKADE: Pope Francis is wrapping up his tour of Mexico with a visit to the highly politicized U.S.-Mexican border, a place where millions of

migrants have crossed into the U.S. and thousands more have died along the way.

Now he visited a notorious prison in Cedar Juarez, a city that has been the scene of violent battles between the countries drug cartels for years.

Later the pontiff will celebrate mass just meters from the U.S. border. Let's cross live to Mexico and CNN's Polo Sandoval is standing by for us


Paula as he has done in the past Pope Francis met with criminals. Just tell us about the prison he visited.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. We actually got to see him do that during his most recent trip to the United States which is in

Philadelphia, well, obviously a similar pattern here when he visited the state prison and one of the most dangerous prisons in Latin America during

the height of the violence in 2010.

This time Pope Francis visiting a courtyard that was once a bloody battlefield for rival gangs that are going to clash on a daily basis and

the main message was in his own words that incarceration does not resolve a state of insecurity.

[15:10:04]Something that is still being felt here in Juarez, but really other parts of this country, a place that's been torn by the cartel


So as a result much of that message in that prison and a very dangerous prison was focused on that and at this point what he claimed that many

decades have been lost and this false idea that incarcerating criminals would actually keep coming in and safe and he was able to have some

personal time and meet and great those that are incarcerated in that prison -- Lynda.

KINKADE: Polo, later today as I mentioned he will visit the Mexican-U.S. border. Now I understand you took a tour of the area. What did you find

and who will Pope Francis be speaking to when he is there?

SANDOVAL: He will be speaking to really the world when it comes to this migrant issue that has been at the top of his agenda, Lynda. He is

choosing this as a symbol of this migrant route.

A couple of days ago, he was in Southern Mexico. This morning, he woke up in Mexico City and then, of course, now he comes to the border reach in.

He will be eventually breaking away from what is the main alter area behind me and getting close to the border and really issue a message to a city

that needs it.


SANDOVAL: Reminders of a violent past still linger in the faces of Juarez, Mexico from a missing posters on street corners to the city's central


City officials say this 2010 at least 3,000 people were killed during the height of a turf war between the Juarez and Sinaloa drug cartels over

control of lucrative smuggling routes.

Even Juarez's new mayor will tell you it was not just cartel members among the dead.

JAVIER GONZALEZ MOCKEN, MAYOR, CIUDAD JUAREZ (through translator): The violence touched the very heart of Juarez. We lost friends, family and

innocent people in the streets. The level of crime was inhumane.

SANDOVAL: Javier Gonzalez Mocken tells me a place once dubbed the most dangerous city in the world. It seems to be on a slow but steady path to

peace. The mayor says that there's still work to be done here and he hopes that Pope Francis will help the border town fully heal from its troubled


MOCKEN (through translator): This visit means hope and joy for the people of Juarez. It will recognize their efforts to reestablish peace and


SANDOVAL: It's expected that during the mass the Holy Father will address a primary concern of his.

(on camera): Pope Francis will walk down this path right next to the border according to church officials. They tell me that the pontiff will -

- at the end of here there will be a makeshift set up.

He will pray for those that made it across the border and those who did not. That single symbolic expected to highlight an issue very important to

this pontiff, immigration.

POPE FRANCIS: Most of us were once foreigners.

SANDOVAL: He defined himself as a migrant as he addressed Congress last fall urging lawmakers and the president to be more compassionate towards

migrants and refugees.

Father Javier (inaudible) says some of those that wait at this Catholic shelter before trying to cross into the U.S. will be in the crowd as the

pontiff hold the Juarez mass.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Migrants feel the support and the protection and joy of Pope Francis.

SANDOVAL: Those migrants will be within eyesight of the fence many of them hope to get passed.


SANDOVAL: And back out live to Ciudad Juarez where again this crowd continues to grow at this place now referred to as (inaudible) what was

once a dusty fairground and now converted into a massive sanctuary.

A group of local nuns now singing with the crowd and trying to encourage them and keep the crowd going. Many people are here, Lynda, have been here

already for nine hours if you can imagine.

Many individuals actually spent the night really in long lines that are still making the way on to it and expected that Pope Francis will arrive

here in about two hours' time for that very symbolic moment that we just told you a little bit about.

And then after that celebrate mass in front of at least 215,000 people and we have to remember the United States is right over there.

KINKADE: Wow, nine hours waiting for the pope and another couple to go. That is dedication. Polo Sandoval, thank you very much.

Well, Pope Francis is normally very cool and composed when dealing with (inaudible), but on Tuesday, he lost his temper and his balance in the

middle of the crowd, a person pulled the pontiff's arm so hard that he fell onto someone in a wheelchair. It happened while music was blaring at the

stadium. Have a look.


KINKADE: Aides and security stepped in to prevent Francis from falling. You can see the pontiff scolding the person in the crowd saying, don't be


[15:15:09]Well still to come, the FBI wants Apple's help in investigating the San Bernardino shootings. But Apple's CEO says the bureau is asking

the company to hack into its own users. We will explain why next.


KINKADE: Welcome back. A federal judge in the U.S. is ordering Apple to help the FBI unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters.

The investigators have been unable to figure out the shooter's pass code, which is the only way to access the encrypted phone data.

But Apple chief executive, Tim Cook, says the company will contest the judge's order to protect the security of its customers. The December 2nd

shootings killed 14 people in San Bernardino, California.

Let's get more now on the judge's ruling and Apple's response. CNN Money technology correspondent, Laurie Segall joins me now from New York. Thanks

for being with us, Laurie.

Now we may think that any person or company should do what it takes to help law enforcement particularly when it comes to terrorism cases, but what the

FBI is asking for is much more than access to an iPhone pass card. Explain what they want.

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's a bit more complicated and Tim Cook has actually come out and put a statement out and

talking about how they would have to build the software to help out the FBI in this scenario.

So what happens is normally if you try to get in your iPhone ten times unsuccessfully, there's a security tool that will wipe all the data. So

they're now currently trying to get in the shooter's phone, but don't want to try more than ten times in case it wipes out all the data.

So they want to build -- they want a tool that will enable them to get around that, but Apple has said in order to do that they would actually

have to build software to enable that to happen.

And they say if we build that software (inaudible) that could obviously get into the hands of the bad guys. So you kind of set up this debate of

privacy versus protection and also law enforcement, and how much oversight they should have -- Lynda.

KINKADE: And of course, Apple CEO, Tim Cook, is probably the most outspoken when it comes to encryptions and the government attempts to

threaten privacy. What is he saying?

SEGALL: He has always been the person in Silicon Valley when these kind of things happen, he really take a step forward and he puts himself out there

and talks about some of these tougher things. He has been very straightforward when it comes to encryption to protect privacy.

I want to read you a bit of what he put out yesterday when this ruling came down. He said the government is asking Apple to hack our users and

undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers including tens of millions of American citizens from sophisticated hackers

and cyber criminals.

So he really is adamant that this would not be a good thing for the future of Apple. This would prevent privacy and could put civilians in danger of

having hackers utilize this tool. He has come forward and said that -- Lynda.

[15:20:06]KINKADE: And Laurie, I understand you've been talking a legal expert, what does this federal court ruling mean. Can they force Apple

into doing this?

SEGALL: This is a really fascinating case because it's very, very important one and they picked a very good one to litigate because this is

iPhone of a known terrorists that's deceased.

The phone did not actually belong to the shooter. It belonged to the county that gave over full control and said do what you want with this.

It's a very good one to litigate, but the outcome will set precedent. So you know, right now if this does in case go through, you know, no private

company would be able to guarantee security without the exception of law enforcement, which is a pretty big deal looking down the road as we see the

intersection of the technology and terrorism.

So what you will see Apple likely do is appeal this and take it to a higher court. This has the way to go all the way up to the Supreme Court here in

the United States -- Lynda.

KINKADE: Wow. This really could set a precedent. Laurie Segall from New York, thank you very much for joining us.

Still to come, anyone but him, that's the way that both of these fellows feel about one another, but are voters listening? We're live in the state

where the major test in the campaign for the White House takes place in a matter of days. Stay with us.



BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: No one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. And that's

because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing, what really happened in Roswell, and where

are Biggy and Tupac?


KINKADE: That was U.S. President Barack Obama there taking jives at Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump, all the way back in 2011.

They do have a long history of going back and forth at one another.

Just three days away from the Republican primary in South Carolina, the latest CNN/ORC poll shows Republican voter are strongly backing Trump. So

as CNN Athena Jones reports Mr. Obama is not holding back.


PRESIDENT OBAMA: I continue to believe Mr. Trump will not be president.

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Weighing in just days before the South Carolina primary, President Obama is confident Donald Trump won't

win the White House.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I have a lot of faith in the American people. I think they recognize that being president is a serious job. It's not hosting a

talk show or reality show.

JONES: Obama blasting the billionaire Tuesday evening saying Trump panders and lacks even basic foreign policy knowledge.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It requires being able to work with leaders around the world in a way that reflects the importance of the office and gives people

confidence that you know the facts and you know their names and where they are on a map. You know something about their history and you're not just

going to play to the crowd back home.

JONES: Not one to keep quiet.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He has done such a lousy job as president.

[15:25:02]JONES: The GOP frontrunner shot back on hour later.

TRUMP: You look at our budgets. You look at our spending. We can't beat ISIS. Obamacare is terrible. You're lucky I didn't run the last time

because when Romney ran because you would have been a one-term president.

JONES: But Obama didn't contain his criticism to Trump's polarizing rhetoric. His rivals were hit too.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: If you look at what the other Republican candidates have said, that's pretty troubling too.

JONES: The president specifically calling out Marco Rubio for his previous support of an immigration bill back in 2013.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: You have a candidate who sponsored a bill that I supported to finally solve the immigration problem, and he is running away

from it as fast as he can.


KINKADE: Mr. Obama is not the only person at odds with Trump. So is the man second in the polls, Ted Cruz, and he say that is he is now calling

Trump's bluff and telling him to go ahead and sue him. That's after Trump threatened legal action over this campaign ad.


KINKADE: So this suddenly is a lot going on in politics. CNN Politics reporter, Jeremy Diamond, joins us now from a Trump campaign event to talk

to us all about this.

Jeremy, first obviously, the CNN/ORC poll that shows Trump holding a very broad lead in South Carolina, 16 points ahead of his nearest rival Ted


How do you think that would translate into the votes or could we possible see a similar upset to what we saw in Iowa?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Well, all signs are pointing to a victory in South Carolina. This is a lead that trump has head over the

last weeks and last months. He has been way ahead in South Carolina with Ted Cruz most of the time being in second place here.

That's kind of a little bit different from what we saw in Iowa where we saw Donald Trump kind of surge late in that state and pulling ahead in the most

recent polls before the Iowa vote into first place before ultimately getting second place.

So as of now all signs pointing to a Donald Trump victory here, but of course, nothing is certain things could change in the next few days, but

right now Donald Trump maintaining a solid lead in the state.

KINKADE: Of course, there's a national poll out today by Quinnipiac. It shows that everyone pretty much is falling far behind Donald Trump. He is

soaring ahead nationally. Do you think -- so many people thought he would lose the momentum. He seems to be surging ahead.

DIAMOND: Yes, absolutely and certainly a South Carolina victory would further that. You know, Donald Trump winning in New Hampshire by more than

20 points and that was a big moment for his campaign.

One that has constantly been scrutinized as potentially not actually having the capacities to actually turn this press attention and to turn the

support in the polls into actual votes.

They showed in New Hampshire that they could do that now. They are looking to do the same in South Carolina. As Trump said yesterday, if we can win

in South Carolina, he thinks that they can run the table going into the southern states that are going to vote in March.

Big states that might be sensing a similar victory to what Trump is dealing with right now in South Carolina.

KINKADE: He certainly seem to have a lot of support behind you where you are. Another issue that we're seeing pop up today is comical sort of

story, Jeb Bush sent out a very unusual tweet, it was a handgun and image of it with his name inscribed on it and on the tweet the word, "Just

America." The reaction online is quite funny, the international reaction. What should we make of that?

DIAMOND: Certainly. You saw a range of reactions from comedians to Edward Snowden, all kinds of people weighing in and a lot of them kind of mocking

Jeb Bush. Certainly that's the point of view on the left side of political spectrum.

Here in South Carolina, though, that's not really something that has made too many ways either way. I mean, certainly people here are very

supportive of gun rights and preventing any further gun restrictions.

So Jeb Bush is kind of making that statement with that picture. I don't think it's going make too many waves here. What is making waves here in

South Carolina today, though, is Marco Rubio receiving the endorsement of South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley.

She's going to endorse him at a rally this evening. CNN just confirmed that a little while ago.

[15:30:02] That is going to play big in South Carolina, she's a very poplar governor and she's not the first South Carolina elected official to

endorse Rubio. So that certainly is going to help Marco Rubio, and hurt Jeb Bush a little bit going into this context on Saturday.

KINKADE: Marco Rubio certainly needs all the help he can get. Jeremy Diamond at a Trump rally in South Carolina, thank you very much.

And CNN is of course hosting a two day event ahead of the crucial South Carolina primary. All six Republican Presidential candidates will take part

in a town hall moderated by Anderson Cooper. You can tune in Thursday and Friday at 11:00 a.m. in London, that's midday in Berlin, only on CNN.

You're watching "The World Right Now" live from the CNN Centre.


KINKADE: Just ahead we'll turn back to our top story this hour. The Greek expert analysis of the latest in a string of attacks on Turkey. Stay with




KINKADE: Welcome back. Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister says at least 28 people are dead following a terrorist attack in Ankara.


KINKADE: The military says the explosion targeted military buses stopped at a traffic light. No-one has claimed responsibility at this stage.


KINKADE: Humanitarian aid convoys are beginning to reach some of the most besieged towns in Syria.


KINKADE: Trucks rolled out of Damascus today after the U.N. negotiated access to seven areas. One convoy has now entered a suburb of the capital

and mobile clinics are on the ground in the town of Madaya.


KINKADE: And this news just in to CNN, Nike has cut ties with boxer Manny Pacquiao.


KINKADE: It comes after he was quoted as saying that gay people were worse than animals. The 37 year old who was running for a seat in the

Philippines senate made the remarks on a television program. He later apologized.


KINKADE: The tug of war over territory in the South China Sea is ramping up yet again. China's Defense Ministry now says it has had air and sea

defenses on the disputed partial islands for years. That's in response to claims from the U.S. and Taiwan that China has deployed surface to air

missiles in the region. Ivan Watson has the details.


IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The hotly contested debate over who controls the South China Sea just got hotter with Pentagon

and Taiwanese Defense officials saying that China appears to have deployed new weapon systems to an island in the sea which has competing claims of

ownership not just from China but also from Vietnam, and Taiwan.

New satellite imagery from a company called ISI shows what appears to be the deployment of surface to air missile batteries along one of the beaches

here. Now China has controlled this island for more than 50 years. The question is does this count as militarization? Beijing insists that this

purely a measure of self-defense.


HONG LEI, CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN: (As translated) Our deployment of defense facilities in our own territory is appropriate and

reasonable. It's aimed that improving our national defense capabilities and has nothing to do with a so called militarization.

WATSON: Part of why this is so contentious is that at least six governments have competing simultaneous claims to different parts of this body of water

through which at least 30 percent of the world's cargo is believed to travel.

China claims territory all the way down to here, to practically the coast of the Philippines, including this area, an archipelago known as the

Spratly Islands. And when you take a close look at what activities China has had here that is an explainer for why there is so much alarm.

This is the fiery cross reef photographed in 2005. Look at how it's been transformed by a very impressive Chinese land reclamation project. They've

put in a deep water port as well as an airstrip creating an entire artificial manmade island.

Now the Philippines is claiming this territory as its own economic exclusion zone. It's taking China to court but China is so far refusing

the jurisdiction of that court at the Hague.

In the meantime you've got Washington stepping in with so called freedom of navigation operations. So the U.S. has been sending war planes and U.S.

Navy ships to challenge China's claims to these very waters which is ratcheting up tensions since Beijing is calling these operations

destabilizing to peace and security in this region.

Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong.


KINKADE: Let's get back to the breaking news in Ankara now. A Turkish news agency says a car bomb caused a deadly explosion on a city street and

military vehicles were the apparent target. Turkey's President, Racep Tayyip Erdogan is offering his condolences in a newly released statement.

I'm joined now by - from Washington by Soner Cagaptay, he's the Director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute. Thank you very

much for being with us.


KINKADE: Now Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister has called this an act of terrorism. If this was a bomb attack who do you think is the most likely


CAGAPTAY: No one has claimed responsibility so it's difficult to say for sure but I think this is a Turkish Kurdish group that's on the U.S. State

Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations known as the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK by its initials.


CAGAPTAY: The motive (inaudible) of the operation going after military targets especially off duty officers who were going home after work,

reminiscent of past PKK attacks suggest that this is probably the PKK that's behind the attack.

KINKADE: Soner, the last recent attacks we saw in Turkey were essentially soft targets. One was a peace march in Ankara back in October, and then it

was an attack near a mosque in Istanbul last month. This was a military convey that was targeted near Turkey's military headquarters and near its

parliament. What does that say to you about Turkey's security?

CAGAPTAY: Well, it shows that this is a different group the previous attacks as you said which targeted soft targets were carried out by ISIS.

I think this is more likely the PKK. ISIS has been circumspect to not target hard and military targets inside Turkey in order not to incur a full

wrath of the Turkish government.

The PKK on the other hand is interested in escalating conflict with the Turkish government and there's a linkage here to Syria. There is a Kurdish

group in Syria known as the PYD which is linked to the PKK in Turkey. And if the PKK's indeed behind this attack I would suggest that the linkage is

that Turkey has been shelling PYD targets inside Syria. So the PKK is now escalating by opening up a "second front" against Turkey in order to hurt

Turkey further.

So it shows to us that the Syria's civil war is not staying in Syria, it is coming inside Turkey to harm Turkey through ways that we did not foresee


KINKADE: And if it's not the PKK, if it is instead ISIS, what does that say about the level of attacks that we're seeing, this pattern that is


CAGAPTAY: There's an unfortunate fact that the last five - or four of the five worst terror attacks in Turkey's history have taken place in the last

two years and they're all linked to the fallout of the Syrian war, whether it's ISIS or Assad regime, or the Syrian Kurdish group linked to the

Turkish Kurdish group, PKK/PYD. This shows that Turkey has a pretty significant and rising unfortunately terror problem and that this is mostly

now emanating from Syria.

Whatever the actives are from the Assad regime to the PKK to ISIS, they're different. In fact they're fighting in Syria at each other but they all

seem to be targeting Turkey.


KINKADE: And Turkey is of course targeting them near the border. Targeting - carrying out more attacks than ever before in retaliation.

Who can Turkey turn to for help domestically?

CAGAPTAY: Right now, I think Turkey's isolated alone, it has very few friends and allies in the region. And ironically the Syrian/Kurdish group,

PYD which is linked to the PKK if PKK is indeed behind this attack, the PYD has close ties to Russia. It receives weapons from Russia. There are even

suggestions that Russia would recognize Syrian Kurdish independence if this regions declared independence. Which means that Syrian Kurds and perhaps

the Turkish Kurds are moving in the direction of becoming a client for Russia.

So Turkey is threatened not by only the rise of Kurdish rationales in Syria and inside the country, but also by the fact that Russia, Turkey's historic

nemesis is becoming the patron of these groups. This is a rather dangerous precipice for Turkey.

Thus far the Kurdish problem in Turkey had been a domestic issue. Now it seems that it's becoming an international issue with Russia as a player so

Turkey has few friends and only NATO and the United States to turn to at this very difficult time.

KINKADE: They're certainly not in a great position. Soner Cagaptay, we appreciate your perspective on all of this, thanks very much.

CAGAPTAY: It's my pleasure

KINKADE: Leaders across Europe are finalizing their positions ahead of crucial talks on Britain's role in the E.U.

European Council President, Donald Tusk warned that no deal with Britain was certain and urged nations to compromise.


KINKADE: There are reports that four Eastern European countries including Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and the Czech Republic have rejected some of the


The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, had a more positive tone for Britain when she spoke a little earlier.

ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: (As translated) Because Cameron's demands are far from being demands that are just for Britain. In some

cases we must say quite the opposite. Many issues are issues that are justified and necessary.

KINKADE: And CNN will bring you all the latest as David Cameron and his fellow E.U. leaders meet at that crucial summit. It begins on Thursday,

and it is scheduled to go for two days.


KINKADE: Well this is "The World Right Now" coming up - what is on your phone?


KINKADE: And should the government be allowed to access it? There's a growing battle between Apple and the FBI about just that. Next up I'm

joined by two people with very different views.



KINKADE: Welcome back. We want to take you back to one of our top stories this hour. As the tech giant, Apple, fights an American Court Order

compelling it to unlock an iPhone for the FBI.


KINKADE: You may think that's an unusual request but here's where the case gets tricky. The phone belonged to one of the San Bernadino terrorists. So

Apple says the software it would have to develop to do it could be used on any iPhone anywhere in the world.


And of course is resparking an age old debate between security and the right to privacy and it's something that touches all of our lives.


KINKADE: Joining me now to discuss all of this is former FBI Special Agent, Harold Copus here at the CNN Center, and Tiffany Chang, co-founder

of Fight for the Future, a digital privacy advocacy group in Los Angeles, that's a big mouthful, thank you so much to both of you for joining us.

I want to start with you Harold. Now Apple calls the FBI demands dangerous and causing a back door entry and they worry that if they do this it's

going to affect more than just this one case. They're not going to do it, that's what they're saying. What's your response?

HAROLD COPUS, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Well I think they're going to have to do it, it's a terrorist situation. And let me tell you they're throwing

out a giant smokescreen. That phone has the ability to be encrypted, most of the Apples are. So all the FBI is doing is saying listen, if we go and

try finding the code, the encrypted code, after 10 attempts everything in here has been wiped out.


COPUS: So what we want you to do Apple, take it to your secret lab, remove that little piece, give it back to us, and then we'll see what's in the

phone. All simple. Apple's saying no, they don't want to do that it'll just open up the door. The Bureau's saying, we're asking for just one

phone, we're not asking for the code. Do one phone, do it in your lab.

KINKADE: They're of course saying if they do one phone it will be something that is available to every phone and cyber criminals could hack

into that and use it.


COPUS: Only if cyber criminals could hack into Apple's super-duper secret lab where this is going to be done and I don't believe that.

If that's that bad then Apple needs to maybe considering hiring me to look at their security. I say to you, it is one phone, it had to have a court

order. The second phone would be handled the same, it will be on a terrorist case.

KINKADE: Let's bring in Tiffany. Tiffany, the British Intelligence Group, MI15 has basically been intercepting phone calls using you know the

historical means - MI5, sorry, using - have been doing it since the 1930s. They want a new adaption why shouldn't Apple be allowed to do this?

TIFFANY CHANG, CO-FOUNDER, FIGHT FOR THE FUTURE: I mean the FBI should do everything in its power to go and investigate this case and - but the

problem is that they're asking Apple to unleash basically a security flaw that can spread to almost everyone's device.


CHANG: Devices that we depend on every day for our basic security. So they're actually asking Apple to put out the security flaw that can be

exploited by people who want to do us harm and that could lead to the next San Bernadino attack.

If Apple could do what the FBI is asking for without risking our basic digital security, the security of hospitals, restaurants, our own financial

information, they would do it, we wouldn't be having this debate.


CHANG: But we're really having a debate of national security vs. national security. Apple cannot be - it would be absolutely irresponsible of them

to build a security flaw that could spread to almost everyone's phones. There's no way that Apple can stand by and do that.

KINKADE: You make a very good point and Apple did point out in a statement which I'd like you to hear Harold. Apple said that "in the physical world

this would be the equivalent of a master key capable of opening up hundreds of millions of locks from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No

reasonable person would find that acceptable."

Harold don't we need to look at the bigger picture rather than this one case?

COPUS: Well I think the bigger is is that no one is asking Apple to release that code to anyone. They're saying Apple take it back to your

lab, do it for us. Because if you don't and we go 10 times or something like this and we miss, and you will, `cause you have to just go through a

mass push to find out what the passcode is. After the 11th one it shuts it off and destroys the data, we have nothing. One phone. You keep all that

information, you don't have to share it with anyone.

KINKADE: But Apple says that software doesn't exist. If they develop it for this one phone - you don't believe them?

COPUS: No, I can't go into details but the answer is yes, there is a way to leap past that, they just need to do it. They don't want to do it and I

understand why, quite frankly how many people use - Apple spent a lot of money coming up with their technique of how to pay bills et cetera, and the

information you have on this thing is just amazing. So yes you want to protect that. But you also have a higher order, we have a terrorist, we

need to find out what - who that person was talking to and I guarantee you he wasn't always ordering Domino's pizza.


KINKADE: Tiffany in this particular case in court the FBI used an act known as the "All Writs Act of 1779" now to win this case, this act is over

200 years old. Surely we need to get with the times?

CHANG: Yes, I mean just think about - the courts have tried to use that same act to compel Apple to do the same thing recently, and it didn't work.

They're asking - there has never been in history the U.S. Government being able to ask an American technology company or any company to unleash

something that would put their users at risk. Put Americans at risk.

Just imagine this golden key lives somewhere in Apple Headquarters. Just imagine what attackers, criminals, thieves are thinking right now. They're

cheering the FBI on. That's going to be target number one, that holds the key to the most valuable information out there, billions of dollars and the

safety of Americans.

That is going - that's next on their list.

KINKADE: So Tiffany, what currently happens if I were to forget my passcode and call Apple how would they give me access back to my own phone?

CHANG: They can't. They don't hold that passcode because they don't want attackers to be able to get it from them.

KINKADE: So clearly if they create this software this - I mean aren't you - aren't you afraid that this could open up a can of worms for cyber

criminals? And the biggest threat to the FBI would be trying to track down people that are carrying out identity theft and credit card fraud.

COPUS: Exactly, and I agree 100% but you have to draw a line and the line has to be Apple, you develop it, you keep it inside, you don't give it to

anyone. And I understand maybe there will be an attack, and I'm telling you, if Apple's so worried about an attack and a hack at this place,

they've got more problems than I can say grace over.

They need to correct that but give us this answer. And it's not like we're saying this individual was not a terrorist. They are. You're talking

about people at risk, how do we know who else they've spoken with and what's out there that we have to worry about to protect a lot of people,

whether it's in the United States or someplace else.

KINKADE: Tiffany, the FBI of course is arguing that this sort of help from Apple could prevent another massacre. They could gain information on other

terror groups or networks that these people were contacting.

What do you say about that? That particular argument?

CHANG: It would be absolutely irresponsible of Apple to unleash this kind of software. It's a security flaw that could - that would affect our

hospitals, our restaurants, our own phones, our own personal information, our financial information, our banking et cetera.

There is no - it is absolutely irresponsible for Apple to do that. And they - and no security professional would ever recommend for them to do

that. I believe that we have to trust our security professionals and we're talking about putting out a security flaw that would spread - would be like

a virus and that's something that Apple needs to be responsible about not unleashing.

KINKADE: Tiffany Chang, great to have you with us from Los Angeles, and Harold Copus, thank you very much for coming in to join us for this

discussion. Clearly a lot of passion on both sides.

COPUS: Thank you.

KINKADE: We will continue it. Thank you.

And we will be back right after this short break, stay with us.


KINKADE: Welcome back. Well one of the Royal Palaces in Britain was turned into a newsroom for the day as the Duchess of Cambridge guest edited the

online newspaper, the Huffington Post. CNN's Max Foster was outside Kensington Palace for us to explain what went on.


MAX FOSTER, CNN LONDON CORRESPONDENT: It was the Huffington Post's idea but the Duchess liked it so much she invited their U.K. team into Kensington

Palace to set up a newsroom. And during the course of the day the Duchess commissioned pieces from the likes of Michelle Obama, and published them as

well, on a computer based in the palace.


FOSTER: Leading thinkers in the area of mental illness were involved.


PETER FONAGY, CHIEF EXEUCTIVE, ANNA FREUD CENTRE: I think the importance of children's mental health is parity with physical health, how important

it is that when we offer treatments to children it is as well researched and as well evidenced as the treatments that we offer adults.


FOSTER: The hashtag youngmindsmatter quickly started trending on line, much to the gratification of the Huffington Post. And also much to their

surprise, they were really overwhelmed by the amount of impact the Duchess had.


STEPHEN HULL, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, HUFFINGTON POST: She is known around the world, she's one of the - a rare figure that people identify with her.

She's got a very strong voice and she's using it in a really unique way. It's not just a speech to people, it's actually editing an edition of the

Huffington Post on a very specific issue.


FOSTER: Meanwhile the Duchess' husband, Prince William, was ominously quiet today. That came after a speech that he made on Tuesday in which he

said for centuries Britain has been an outward looking nation.


FOSTER: He went on talking about Britain's place in the world, and that was interpreted by the British newspapers as meaning that he was pro

Britain staying within the European Union.


FOSTER: A highly controversial debate currently underway here in the U.K. Kensington Palace insists he wasn't talking about Europe, but he

nevertheless made as many headlines as the Duchess today without intending to.

Max Foster, CNN, Kensington Palace.

KINKADE: Well this has been "The World Right Now," thanks for joining us. I'm Lynda Kinkade. Coming up next it will be "Quest Means Business,"

anchored today by Paula Newton from New York.