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[11:03:57] BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Right, you have been listening to the British prime minister's address to the House of Commons making the

case for why the UK should stay in the European Union. British voters will be polled on whether they want in or out of the European Union on June


Cameron made a point of saying he has no other agenda than what is right for the UK. And said Britain should stay in the EU so that it can

influence it from the inside.

And in his payoff he accused Boris Johnson, the current mayor of London who has officially endorsed the out campaign over weekend, of

leadership maneuvering.

A stinger, then, from the current prime minister against one of his former friends and colleagues.

CNN's Max Foster following developments and joining us now from London. Max, what did you make of the speech by the British prime minister

and indeed the leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn?

MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's interesting. He spent a lot of time talking about Boris Johnson without actually

mentioning his name, because Boris Johnson is completely changed the dynamic of this whole campaign, really. So Jeremy Corbyn is actually on

the same side as David Cameron on this one, which is one of those unusual situations you end up in sometimes. But hey both want to stay within the

European Union.

What Boris Johnson is saying is that he doesn't feel that the deal that David Cameron brokered in Brussels was enough. It was watered down.

What Boris Johnson has suggested is a second set of negotiations and a second referendum so what David

Cameron kept on doing was referring back to that and making jokes of it saying you don't begin divorce proceedings through renewing your marriage

vows and also says I won't dwell on the irony of a leave vote to remain.

And he made it very clear that this referendum is the final say in all of this process. So there won't be a second round to try to undermine

Boris Johnson's argument.

ANDERSON: I think we got Sebastian Payne standing by. Have we? Yes, we do.

Sebastian Payne of the FT standing by.

So, Max, back to you shortly.

Sebastian, what do you you make of what we have just heard in the house of commons?

SEBASTIAN PAYNE, FIANCIAL TIMES: We heard a very powerful statement from the prime minister. We have seen David Cameron at his best over the

last few days. And -- but what we have also seen there was that attack on Boris Johnson you just mentioned.

There's a lot of blood that's been let between the prime minister and the mayor of London. And I think it's going to get really personal now.

The last time the prime minister attacked Boris Johnson, whose -- went to school at with university with the prime minister, it didn't end very


And it's clearly a lot of upsetting Downing Street that the mayor is backing out now.

So, I think it was a very powerful statement, the prime minister is really going to push for his deal.

The other notable thing was Jeremy Corbyn's statement, which was really quite bad. There was nothing there. He rattled through it. And

I'm not even sure he really believed what he was saying.

ANDERSON: Boris Johnson wrote an open letter in The Daily Telegraph explaining why he wants the UK to leave the EU. And I want to talk to you

about what this means not just for Britain and the EU but its global ramifications.

Let's just have a look at what Boris Johnson said. In it, he wrote, "this is the only opportunity we will ever have to show that we care about

self-rule. A vote to remain will be taken in Brussels as a green light for the erosion of democracy."

If the UK does vote to take back control from Brussels, Sebastian, how significant would that be and could other countries follow suit? Are we

looking at the decimation of this EU project as it were when set up with the single European act back in 1992?

PAYNE: I think that the EU has a lot of problems at the moment, whether it's the Greek crisis, whether it's the migration crisis, whether

it is the global economy currently faltering. And I think if Britain did vote to leave and a break would then happen, as David Cameron has just

suggested, then it would be a really big problem for the European project.

There's already a problem that other countries are going to be asking for their own deals. You know, Britain has now not going to bespoke

membership as David Cameron has just said. So, there is a question about what is Poland going to ask for, what's France going to ask for, what's

Germany going to ask for?

So, there are a lot of questions here. And I think this is why David Cameron is keen to say Britain has got a good deal, because he wanted to be

seen that we are special here, whereas in fact there is a great demand across Europe to keep Britain in the EU. And there's a great demand in the

Tory Party for it to leave.

ANDERSON: OK. We will hear a lot of talk from David Cameron and his backers about this special status that he was able to negotiate, he says,

with Brussels late last week. What does he mean by that? Going forward if Britain say stays in

the European Union with special status, what does that mean?

PAYNE: Well, this is a very good question and something that is going to be tested out. But certainly we are opting out of this ever closer

union which was a key clause of the Lisbon treaty a few years ago that simply means Europeans

want to move to a sort of closer political, economic and fiscal system.

Where this is not something I think many Britons want, that Britons they feel they have a very different relationship with Europe than I think

in France and Germany. The EU is thought as prosperity and freedom and cooperation. In

Britain, it's seen as coming Johnny Foreigners coming over here and imposing laws on us.

I think that's where the nerve came from this referendum came from are the people who believed that often voted for the UK Independence Party led

by the right wing and Nigel Farage.

So I think what David Cameron is trying to say is that I have got enough back that Britain isn't going to be a part of this ever closer

union. We will have opt out. We will be able to make more of our own decisions and most importantly Britain is going to be sovereign once again.

He's also bringing up this idea of what is sovereignty.

Now, the other thing that was alluded to in that speech we've just heard is this sovereignty bill. And we don't really know what this is yet.

And the prime minister said it was going to in the next few days. We still don't have any sign of it. So I think that one has been a little bit that

will be a little delayed.

But when that comes, there's going to be some grand statement that essentially says, Brussels, you can't keep enforcing new laws and new ideas

on us, which again gives us an idea that the EU isn't ruling over Britain.

[11:10:32] ANDRESON: Got it.

All right, let's follow the money, then, because ofttimes that's what this

is all about. The numbers, then, behind the UK's place in Europe are as follows, Sebastian. I want you to react to these.

EU countries invested more than$700 billion in the United Kingdom in 2014, that's almost half of the total investment according to official

figures. Trade supports 3.4 million jobs, according to the LSE, that's the London School of Economic's European Iinstitute.

45 percent of the UK's exports go to other EU states while 53 percent of the UK imports come from within the European Union.

Look, if the UK were to pull out, these figures wouldn't fall apart, but they would certainly be very different and they look pretty conclusive,

it has to be said. Can the UK be as economically competitive outside of the European Union?

PAYNE: Well, I think this is the big question that's going to be tested over the next few weeks in the referendum.

As we have just heard from the prime minister, his argument is about security and jobs, that the Brit's economy is doing okay. It could be

doing worse. It could be doing better. But the recovery is a little bit shaky. And if we had a Brexit, if we voted to leave and all that would be

thrown up in the air.

And the FT, the paper I work for, has done a lot of analysis of this and what

the case would be. And I think for Britain's economy to prosper if we left the EU, we'd have to have a strong pound, we've have to remove a lot of red

tape regulation and it would also require a lot of free trade deals with other parts of the EU.

And that's what you have heard the prime minister alluding to there. He's going to try and convince voters that these free trade deals will take

years and it will not be simple. And in that time, we will lose out over business. And all those numbers you have just alluded will simply fly in

the face of those Brexiteers who say that we can leave and we can make deals with whoever we want and we can be like Norway. So there's a lot of

debate over this.

On the other hand, there's the argument that the EU is actually limiting British business, that all the red tape and the rules of being in

the EU at the moment are holding back British business and we can have a great repeal and we can simply go it alone and do things our own way.

But as you said, the numbers very much do suggest that leaving the EU would cause at least in the short-term some bumps in the British economy.

ANDERSON: Let's bring back Max, who is outside Number 10.

Thank you, Sebastian.

Then, the June 23 referendum, Max, will have wide reaching implications were the British voters to vote out of Europe. It would have

far reaching global repercussions. How and why?

FOSTER: Well, I think this is one of the debates that they are struggling with on the Boris Johnson side, if I can call it that now, the

campaign to leave the European Union, because it's very hard to campaign on a political message on taking someone into the unknown.

Actually, David Cameron is on easier ground here saying that actually what we've got now in a new renegotiated form within Europe is the best way

to represent Britain's interests on the global stage.

So to have a role, leading role, in the driving seat of the European Union, but only allowing the European Union to get involved in British

issues when they are relevant to Britain and having Britain's best interests at heart.

So, this is really how he couched it today in this debate in parliament. he started off saying I've renegotiated the deal and this is

the best deal on which to vote, yes, for Britain to stay within the European Union.

ANDERSON: Max Foster is outside Number 10 for you. Sebastian Payne is at the bureau in London. To both of you, thank you very much indeed for

joining us.

We're going to take a very short break. Back after this.


[11:16:49] ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me, Becky Anderson, out of the UAE at 16 minutes past 8:00. Welcome


The U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says that international efforts to reach a cease-fire in Syria are, quote, closer than ever. That's no

consolation to communities ripped apart by horrific attacks over the weekend. ISIS claiming responsibility for multiple bombings in Homs and

Damascus, an opposition group now says at least 198 people were killed making the attacks among the worst in Syria since the war began.

Nick Paton Walsh following developments from Beirut. Any sight as of yet that the violence on the ground will stop if indeed this cease-fire

were to be put in place in what will be the coming days as far as John Kerry is concerned, Nick?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, we bring you some breaking news. I've just been speaking to a western

diplomat who has given us some details as to what the current timing being proposed of this cessation of hostilities -- that's the phrase that's

always being used, particularly by John Kerry yesterday in Amman on Sunday.

This will begin on the midnight between Friday and Saturday Damascus time.

Now, there is a positive feeling, I'm told by this western diplomat, that the Syrian opposition groups will go along with this and the

suggestion at this tentative stage is the period for the secession of hostilities could last as long as three weeks.

Now, we're still a full five days away from that. It may go further if it lasts even that long. And I think potentially those cynics who look

at the aggression on the ground as they see it, on the side of the Syrian opposition from Russia, hope that at least -- at the very least if things

do fall apart they might be able to highlight the continued military operations of the Russians at

that stage.

But these details slowly emerging. I understand we'll hear many more in the next few hours ahead as to quite how the the tick-tok of this cease-

fire could come into play. It could well be one of the more substantial efforts we have seen to get violence to slow on the ground, but it comes at

a highly inauspicious time for diplomacy after the weekend's staggering death tolls, 198 killed in those attacks on Homs and Damascus, potentially

say the Syrians Observatory for Human Rights the largest single loss of life in one attack at the Saeed al-Zanab (ph) shrine near Damascus, 134

people, they're saying now, died in those three blasts in that one location there.

A lot of work for any station facilities to do because we're still around Aleppo seeing to its south ISIS trying to cut off regime supply

routes, to the north potentially, the regime trying to cut off rebel supply routes. So many actors on the ground here. Any cessation of hostility,

Becky, will not involve, as everyone has always said, ISIS and al Qaeda's face in in Syria the Nusra Front.

But there does appear now, as I said, to be this kind of detail inching out and the potential that midnight come Friday to Saturday that

maybe some sort of the guns falling silent of certain parties in this conflict, not all of them, Becky.

[11:20:00] ANDERSON: Sure. No, and ISIS clearly not being one of them. And their message, one assumes, we are here and we can still wreck

havoc, correct?

WATSON: Certainly, I think if you look at ISIS's group that pays to attention to international diplomacy, and you should point in mind you know

it's not too cynical to remind everybody that the violence on the ground inside Syria often occurs quite independently for the discussions about it

in foreign capitals.

But if ISIS were looking to massively disrupt any political agenda, yes, the staggering death tolls what we saw over the weekend would

certainly potentially have that effect.

They seem to be moving against the regime in some areas having had the regime move against them. Constant fluidity on the battleground.

And there's the other big question, too. We know for a fact that the Russians don't consider the terrorists to simply be the Nusra Front, that's

al Qaeda in Syria, and ISIS. They, along with the Damascus government, consider other groups fighting against the Damascus government to be

terrorists as well.

The real question is do you at midnight between Friday and Saturday see Russian airstrikes stop against those groups who the west would call

rebels who the west do not call terrorists, or do they it continue as the west has

alleged to use their war, as they say, against ISIS and terrorism to also attack more moderate rebel group inside syria.

So much at stake here. I think the biggest issue really when midnight strikes between Friday and Saturday is whether or not you're actually going

to see this political process have any weight at all.

You know, diplomacy in the Syrian conflict has been dragged through the mud through so many failed issues. If there's, yet again, after all

this hype doesn't yield some kind of change on the ground, well that could I think be a deal potential fateful blow to the negotiation in this war --


ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh with expert analysis out of Beirut for you this evening. Thank you, Nick.

Well, to India where a deal is being reached to end protests that have crippled part of the country's water supply. Millions of people are

dealing with water shortages after protesters damaged a canal.

Well, now those protesters say that they have reached an agreement with the government. That's the latest coming in. Our Sumnima Udas has

been been covering this. And she joins us now from New Dehli.

What do we know at this point?


of these have said they have come to some kind of agreement with the government and they've requested all the fellow demonstrators who have been

protesting for the past five to six days all across the state of Hariana (ph). They have asked them to lift that blockade and to go back to work

and to resume normal life. But you know we were just out there a few hours ago in the state of Hariana (ph), spoke to these protesters and they said

even though a deal may have been reached, they don't believe it. They want to see it on paper and that they will continue to protest until their

demands are met.

What are their demands? Well, the main thing that they want is reservations at India's caste system. It's an education -- it's for

education, it's for government jobs, it's India's version of the affirmative action, basically, and it was set in place decades ago to help

lift the lives of millions of the lower caste who many say have been disadvantaged for centuries.

But these protesters say that their system is unfair, that it is reverse

discrimination is what they are calling it. And even though this system has been

touted as one of India's success stories, there's a lot of resentment right now as we're seeing with this protest for the system -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Sumnima Udas out of New Dehli for you this evening.

We are live in Abu Dhabi. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson.

Coming up, we are live in Germany for you where a planned refugee shelter went up in flames. Well, now, German authorities are speaking out

against violence targeting migrants.

First up, though, tonight, the latest in our new series. The Connectors.



[11:25:48] JONNY BAUER, GLOBAL CHIEF STRATEGY OFFERS, DROGA 5: Droga 5is a full service creative agency here in Manhattan and we try and create

influence for brands. Our purpose is to create and sustain the most influential businesses and grants of the 21st Century.

Hi, Jonny Bauer, the global chief strategy officer here Droga 5, and this is our team.

We talk about a brand purpose as a really clear articulation of, or crystallization of why the brand exists, what is it here to do, what values

are going to add to consumers' lives and how can we frame this brand in had a way that it will be spoken about and adopted in culture just beyond an

advertising contest.

When Prudential came in, the first thing that we needed to do was clearly define why it existed in the modern world. And together we

collaborated to arrive at this purpose of tackling America's toughest financial challenges.

KEVIN BRADY, EXECUTIVE CREATIVE DIRECTOR, DROGA 5: My name is Kevin B rady. I'm the executive creative director at Droga 5, New York.

Our role was to figure out how is Prudential going to speak in the world. What's our new message? How are we going to be noticed?

Our challenge was to get people to care about something like retirement. People don't care about it. What we saw was there's a lot of

work that was talking about yachts. They're retiring -- you know, and going on a vacation, a golf vacation and stuff.

So, we first thought let's take a time out here and show how retirement really is.

We did this thing called day one. And day one was this very simple idea. You think about it, people spend 40, 45 years doing one thing, doing

a job. And one day that's it. That's over. And they have this whole new identity.

We went and visited 20 people around the country and we spent the day with

them talking to them. What are your hopes? What are your fears? What are you worried about? And it wasn't all rosy. It wasn't yachts and golf

courses and vacation plans, it was the real America and people hadn't shone that.

DAN GONDA, HEAD OF ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT DROGA 5: Hi. I'm Dan Gonda, head of account management at Droga 5.

I think we're always looking for the truth in how people are feeling and trying to show them something different than what is out there. So,

whether it's reframing what people typically see in retirement advertising and seeing what retirement is really like for real Americans and real


It meant we had to be bold. It meant that we had to strike an emotional cord. It meant that we had to rethink everything that we did and

take a new approach.

BAUER: Teamwork plays a crucial role in having a campaign materialize at all. So it's a journey. There are several kind of check-ins and steps

that are needed that if you're not holding hands along the way we won't understand or agree how or why we got to something.




[11:32:36] ANDERSON: An Uber driver is expected to face formal charges later today after police say he killed six people in a shooting

rampage in Kalamazoo County in Michigan over the weekend. Authorities say 45-year-old Jason Brian Dalton apparently picked up passengers between

shootings. Ryan Young has more on the investigation.


RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kalamazoo is in mourning looking for answers after six people were killed and two others injured in

a shooting rampage on Saturday night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is an opportunity that we get to pray for our victims.

YOUNG: Authorities say the suspect, 45-year-old Jason Dalton, doesn't appear to be connected to any of the victims.

JEFF GETTING, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, KALAMAZOO COUNTY: These were very deliberate killings. They were intentional, deliberate. And I don't want to

say casually done. Coldly done is what I want to say.

YOUNG: Neighbors who know the alleged shooter say they're in shock.

GARY PARDO, NEIGHBOR OF ALLEGED SHOOTER: He just seemed like a normal -- normal guy. This is just so -- so strange. We're wondering what might

have caused him to do this.

YOUNG: Dalton worked as an Uber driver. A passenger who rode in his car just before the shooting said he was acting strange.

MATT MELLEN, PASSENGER IN ALLEGED SHOOTER'S CAR: We were kind of driving through medians, driving through the lawn, speeding along. And then

finally, once he came to a stop, I jumped out of the car and ran away.

YOUNG: Shortly after that, authorities say the nearly seven-hour shooting spree started.

5:42 p.m., a woman is shot several times in a parking lot at an apartment complex. She survived but is in serious condition.

At 10:08 p.m., Richard Smith and his 17-year-old son, Tyler, are shot and killed at a car dealership.

And at 10:24 p.m., Dalton pulls into this parking lot at a Cracker Barrel, where he allegedly kills four women in their cars, all over the age

of 60. A 14-year-old girl was also shot but survived.

Finally, after midnight, police locate Dalton's car.

PAUL MATYAS, UNDERSHERIFF, KALAMAZOO COUNTY: We determined that this was indeed our suspect. He was taken into custody.

YOUNG: Investigators believe Dalton was looking to pick up passengers even after the final shooting.

Uber said in a statement, "We are horrified and heartbroken at the senseless violence. We have reached out to police to help with their

investigation in any way that we can."


ANDERSON: Ryan Young reporting there.

Well, the prosecutor in the case says Dalton is likely to be charged on more than a dozen counts including murder.

The time is running out for Donald Trump's Republican rivals to catch him in the race for U.S. president. Five candidates will compete Tuesday

in Nevada minus a familiar face ahead of the huge contest known as Super Tuesday, that is when voters in more than a dozen states have their say.

That's March 1.

Jeb Bush suspended his campaign over the weekend after a disappointing finish in South Carolina. Trump explained his own popularity there. Have

a listen.


DONALD TRUMP, 2016 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We won with everything. We won with women. I love the women. We won with women. We

won with men. I'd rather win with women, to be honest, but that's all. We won with evangelicals, like unbelievable. We won with the military. We

won with highly educated, pretty well educated and poorly educated, but we won with everything.


ANDERSON: Donald Trump.

Well, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders will compete in South Carolina this coming weekend. Clinton may have a bigger spring in her step

on the campaign trail at present after a decisive win in Nevada's caucuses divide polls that predicted a much closer race.

Well, in Donald Trump's world it's very black and white. You're either a winner or a loser. But that's actually not the case with some

presidential candidates forced to end their campaign.

CNN's Samuel Burke tells us how they can cash in later in the program.

Well, while Clinton and Sanders are trying to capitalize on President Barack Obama's popularity among Democrats, Republican candidates frequently

drag his name through the mud drawing cheers from supporters. But when you broaden it out, Sentiment towards the president nationwide appears, well,

fairly evenly split. According to the latest Gallup Poll, 48 percent of Americans approve of Mr. Obama's job performance while 48 percent


Well, President Obama much less popular elsewhere. In Russia, for example, or at least there's a concerted effort underway to turn popular

and public opinion against him.

Matthew Chance shows us a series of inflammatory ads on the streets of Moscow.


MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are now quite literally demonizing the U.S. president. This video projected anonymously

in the center of the Russian capital shows Barack Obama complete with horns, who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths it he message

from Syria and Ukraine to Libya.

Portraying the U.S. president as a killer is the latest anti-American trend here.

Now, this is one image now trending on social media. An Obama poster at a Moscow bus stop masquerading as an anti-smoking ad.

Smoking kills more people than Obama, it reads. Don't smoke, don't be like him.

It's now been taken down, but one Russian lawmaker, the only opposition

MP in the country's parliament, is speaking out.

It is shameful and disgusting, he told me. And it's no doubt sanctioned by the authorities, he said.

DMITRY GUDKOV, RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT MEMBER: I think that the main goal is to distract attention from domestic issues. Russia is entering a

crisis. And it's a very serious crisis. And just some figures so we'll have oil price decline. We have a deficit in the budget. We have a lot of

problems with salaries, pensions and so on.

And the Russian government needs somebody to blame. So, Obama is a very suitable target for our government.

CHANCE: He's a scapegoat?


CHANCE: The current anti-Obama campaign seems to have started with this. A video appeal to the United Nations with Russian students calling

for Mr. Obama to be punished for thousands of lost lives.

It's now emerged at least one of the speakers works for the youth wing of Russia's ruling party.

Although the Russian authorities deny they are behind the anti-Obama campaign.

Nor, is the personal criticism apparently shared by many ordinary Russians.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I think he should be a good man if he's the president of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I just don't believe he's a killer. Although a president of any country can be accused of it.

CHANCE: But in Russia, of course, it's only America, like in this recently posted video showing dozens of Russians falling to the floor as if


The U.S. president kills 875 people every week, reads the sign

But there is no sign of this anti-Obama campaign coming to an end.

Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.


[11:40:15] ANDERSON: Well, to Germany now where authorities have condemned

what they are calling shameful acts targeting refugees in the eastern state of Saxony.

Just over the weekend, a shelter intended to house refugees was apparently set ablaze. Police say some onlookers actually cheered as

flames raced through the building.

Well, just days earlier a crowd reportedly surrounded a bus carrying refugees and blocked those on board from entering a shelter.

Well, CNN's senior international correspondent Atika Shubert joining me now live from Berlin -- Atika.

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, this has been very disappointing to say the least to see these incidents, one after

another, both of them happening, as you say, in the eastern state of Saxony.

Police have now arrested a number of people they say tried to obstruct them, hinder them, from actually putting that fire out at a hotel that was

being converted for refugees.

They also -- police also said a number of people at the scene actually applauded the fire as it was ongoing.

These are the kinds of situations we've seen more and more of in the last few months. Germany, of course, has let in more than a million

refugees over the last year. Unfortunately, the number of attacks on refugee shelters and on

refugees has actually climbed as well about 1,000 such incidents over the last year, many of them arson attacks as this is one is suspected of being,

but also once a grenade being thrown at a refugee shelter.

And it goes to show the kind of pressure that Chancellor Angela Merkel is now under as public opinion turns against the refugee police.

But many Germans find themselves caught between what is on the one hand the very open door policy by the government and on the other far right

extremists who are capitalizing on that public sentiment to carry out the kinds of incident that we saw in the last few days, Becky.

ANDERSON: At 5:41 in the afternoon in Berlin, Atika Shubert reporting for you. Thank you.

Live from Abu Dhabi at 42 minutes past 8:00 here in the UAE. Coming up, life behind bars. Why the wife of the Mexican drug lord El Chapo is

worried about his well being. That and much more after this short break. Don't go away.

Plus, there are winners and losers in every U.S. presidential election, but some candidates still finding victory in defeat. More on

that after this.


[11:45:45] ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.

Emma Coronel says the Mexican government is treating him harshly in prison as payback for his previous escapes.

She spoke to Spanish language broadcaster Telemundo on Sunday.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Do you think the government of Mexico wants to kill him?

EMMA CORONEL, EL CHAPO'S WIFE (through translator): I don't know if they want to kill him, but they want to get even.


ANDERSON: Our senior Latin American affairs editor Rafael Romo has more from CNN Center. This is fascinating.

How many times has she been able to see him since he was captured?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: She's tried multiple times, Becky, but she says she's been able to see him only once. And this is the first

time we see Emma Coronel Aispuro speaking publicly about her husband.

The former beauty queen rose to fame in 2007 when she married Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel, on -- listen to this,

Becky, her 18th birthday.

Now she says she's deeply concerned about her husband because of the conditions Guzman is enduring behind bars.

Among the thing she is said in an exclusive Telemunda interview is that El Chapo has developed high blood pressure and that she fears for his

life. She confirmed that he's being watched 24/7. That he is being moved constantly and that El Chapo is guarded by trained dogs.


CORONEL (through translator): What they are doing is very cruel. They are trying to make him pay for his escape. They say that are not

punishing him. Of course, they are. They are there with him all day long watching him in his cell. They are there all day long. They are doing

role call every hour. They don't let him sleep. He doesn't even have privacy to go to the restroom.


ROMO: The 26 year old who was born in the United States told Telemundo she met her husband at a dance. She was 17 at the time and

Guzman was nearly 50. She made headlines in 2007 when Mexican media reported her marriage to El Chapo, again, when she turned 18.

The couple, Becky, has twin girls born in California in 2011, children who hug the TV, Coronel says, each time their father's image comes on.

Back to you.

ANDERSON: Was she asked about the other woman in his life, Kate Del Castillo, who he allegedly met and may be during that meeting that he was

actually trailed and eventually arrested.

ROMO: She was asked, indeed. And her answer was interesting. She said that she knows Kate Del Castillo very well. She's an admirer as any

other Mexican who has watched soap operas on TV is. And she says that she's not jealous in spite of the fact that Mexican media has published

these romantic text messages between El Chapo and the actress.

And as a matter of fact, she also said their marriage has not suffered because of it and that they still have a very good relationship, Becky.

ANDERSON: Certainly doesn't sound like a woman scorned, then, does she?

What will happen to El Chapo if he's extradited to the United States?

ROMO: Well, Mexican officials have said that the process itself is going to take anywhere from one to five years. So, we're not anywhere near

from that happening.

The one thing that has Emma Coronel said is that wherever El Chapo is, whether it is in Mexico or the United States, she and her daughters are

just going to follow. She said she's still deeply in love with El Chapo, that he is the father of her girls and that wherever he ends up they are

going to be right there with him, Becky.

ANDERSON: What's the reputation or what might we expect from U.S. authorities were he to be extradited? I've read experts suggesting that

extradition at this stage in the proceedings would be the best option for El Chapo given where he is, given the treatment that allegedly he is being

dosed out to him. Is that the sense you're getting in Mexico as well? This is almost an out for El Chapo?

ROMO: Yeah, definitely, Becky. Behind the scenes you will hear both Mexican officials and

American officials say the same thing, that the best thing that can happen here in this case is for

El Chapo to be extradited to the United States.

However, Mexico is very zealous of their sovereignty. They want the process, the judicial process, to follow course in Mexico. And they are

not willing to extradite him just yet.

What the Mexican attorney-general said is there's the process and this process is going to take at

least 12 months and so they are waiting for that period so that there's no appearance there that they are pandering to the United States by just

expediting things.

They want justice to be done in Mexico and then will allow El Chapo to be extradited to this

country, Becky.

ANDERSON: Always a pleasure, sir, thank you for joining us.

Live from Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson for you.

Coming up, there can only be one winner in a U.S. presidential race, right. But you don't have to feel sorry for the other candidates. Next,

how many of them are turning their loss into a lucrative victory.

And dreams can come true even at the ripe age of 106. We'll have that story in tonight's Parting Shots.


ANDERSON: Welcome back. It's nearly the end of this show, not the end of CNN, of course, you can can stay with us and your headlines will be

at the top of the hour. Welcome back, though, to Connect the World.

At one point now we're at more than 20 Republican and Democratic candidates vying to be the next U.S. president. Well, now we are down to

seven, but it's not a complete loss for those who have dropped out of the race, believe me.

CNN Money business correspondent Samuel Burke shows us how some candidates are cashing in on defeat.


SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: It is so good to see you all. My friends there have been a lot of candidates in the 2016 Presidential

Primaries and as with any election, all but one will end up a loser. But don't feel bad for those people dropping out of the race, no, they may have

already won, both politically and financially, just for being in the mix. The national exposure and loyal following from people like you often

translate into mega-money.

Take my good friend, Mike Huckabee, he is the prime example, he had the good fortune of not losing once, but twice and he turned it into book

deals, a radio program and even a talk show on Fox News. Then there is John Huntsman, a true public servant, former Governor of Utah, former U.S.

Ambassador to China. He was appointed to two corporate boards, Ford and Caterpillar, in a month just after he dropped out of the 2012

Republican race.

Sarah Palin, she racked up fees for speaking gigs even had her own reality show.

SARAH PALIN, FORMER GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: That was a eureka moment, that was cool.

BURKE: And you can't forget Bob Dole's Viagra ad no matter how hard you try. Or the Pepsi one that spoofed it.

BOB DOLE, FORMER KANSAS SENATOR: What is this amazing product, my faithful little blue friend, an ice cold Pepsi Cola.

BURKE: But friends there are not just financial benefits to losing, there are also political benefits, getting knocked out of the primary can

help you win the nomination the next time around. John McCain, Mitt Romney, or it can help you land a major political appointment, Secretary of State,

Hillary Clinton, Vice President, Joe Biden.

And of course many Presidents have had to lose before getting elected. Just think of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Richard Nixon, and even Ronald

Reagan. So when someone like Donald Trump decides to run, do the big bucks of losing factor into the decision? Win and you get stuck with nomination,

lose you get loads of media attention and cash in. Suddenly it sound like a win-win to me. God Bless Capitalism.


[11:56:00] ANDERSON: What do you think about the idea that an election loss can still be a win for one of these presidential candidates.

Well, you can get in touch with us as ever on our Facebook page,



UNIDENIFIED FEMALE: My name is Virginia (inaudible). I was born in 1909 in South

Carolina. I would love to meet the president.


ANDERSON: Well, that was Virginia McLaurIn. Two years ago she was 104 at the

time and started a social media campaign hoping to meet President Obama. Well, her dream has come true. Take a look at this moment of shear joy in

tonight's Parting Shots.



MALAURIN: I'm fine.

OBAMA: Oh, it's so nice to see you.

MCLAURIN: It's an honor, it's an honor.

OBAMA: So, what's the secret to still dancing at 106?

MCLAURIN: Just keep movin.

I thought I would never live to get in the White House.

OBAMA: Well, you are right here.

MCLAURIN: And I tell you, I am so happy.

MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY: We are happy to have you.

MCLAURIN: A black president.

MICHELLE OBAMA: Look at him. Right there.

That's me.


And I'm here to celebrate black history.

OBAMA: That's exactly right.

MCLAURIN: Yeah. That's what I"m here for.

OBAMA: well, we're glad to have you here.


ANDERSON: Well, happy birthday to you.

I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World. Thank you for watching. CNN continues after this very short break.