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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London. Thanks for being us with on this Tuesday. We're

seen all over the world and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

The Republican presidential candidates are just a few short hours away from their next test. Time is running out to slow the frontrunner's momentum,

but if Donald Trump wins his third straight primary, he could steam roll into Super Tuesday exactly a week from today.

Trump has a double digit lead over Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, 45 percent to 19 and 17. They appear to be vying for second place. It's the best they

are going to be able to get as Sara Murray reports race the rhetoric is heating up in the race for the western state. Take a look.


SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER (voice-over): Donald Trump is hoping to lock in another win in Nevada.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Forget the word caucuses, just go out and vote, OK.

MURRAY: While Marco Rubio appears set on amassing endorsements.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm supporting Rubio.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's conservative and he's electable.

MURRAY: And arguing it's time for Republicans to rally behind him as the alternative to Trump before it's too late.

MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If we nominate someone that half of the Republican Party hates, we're going to fighting against each other

all the way to November. We will never win that way.

MURRAY: But right now, Trump's blows are trained firmly on Ted Cruz.

TRUMP: This guy is sick. There's something wrong with this guy.

MURRAY: Just hours before voters cast their ballots in the unpredictable caucus state of Nevada --

TRUMP: You know it is Las Vegas, it's a little tricky, a little tricky.

MURRAY: Cruz was still trying to nix the narrative that his campaign plays dirty.

TRUMP: This guy, Cruz, lies more than any human being I have ever dealt with. Unbelievable.

RUBIO: Every single day, something comes out of the Cruz campaign that's deceptive and untrue.

MURRAY: Yesterday, Cruz fired his communications director.

SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This morning, I asked for Rick Tyler's resignation.

MURRAY: That's after the staffer distributed a video that appeared inaccurately to show Marco Rubio dismissing the bible.

RUBIO: Perhaps that was the most offensive one because they basically made it up.

MURRAY: As Cruz struggled to regroup, John Kasich had his own awkward campaign moment saying women left their kitchens to support his 1970s state

house bid.

JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We just got an army of people who and many women who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to

put yard signs up for me.

MURRAY: His off-hand comment quickly called out by a voter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'll come to support you, but I won't be coming out the kitchen.

KASICH: I got you. I got you.


GORANI: Sara Murray reporting there. Let's get more to the race in Nevada. Jeffrey Lord is a CNN political commentator and a Trump supporter.

He joins me via Skype from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Jeffrey Lord, thanks for being with us. First, I want to remind, Jeffrey, our viewers what Trump said about this protester who was being disruptive

at a Trump rally. Let's listen to what he had to say and then I'll get you to comment on it.


TRUMP: I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that in a place like this? They'd be carry out on a stretcher, folks.

Here's a guy, throwing punches, nasty at hell, screaming at everything else when we're talking.

And walking out and we're not allowed, with the guards are very gentle with him. He is walking out like big high fives. Smiling, laughing, like to

punch him in the face. I'll tell you.


GORANI: Jeffrey Lord, first I got to ask you, what are these good old days where disruptive people at campaign rallies would be taken out on a

stretcher? What was he implying, exactly?

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I can tell you exactly. I don't know what he had in mind, but I certainly remember and I looked it up

today in the making of the president 1968 by the Pulitzer Prize winning author, Theodore H. White, in which he recounts his protesters going after

all people, then Vice President Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic nominee.

[15:05:10]They would invade his rallies. They would do exactly what the leftist today are doing to Donald Trump. They would cause disruption and

at one point, Humphrey himself had the Secret Service and the police haul them out of there.

It was teetering on the edge of violence. This is a very old tactic of the American left and they're playing it now with Donald Trump.

GORANI: Yes, but I mean, it's not a very old or traditional way for any presidential candidate to react by saying, he'd personally like to become

physically violent with someone heckling him at a campaign event, isn't it? I mean, is that the coming of a presidential hopeful?

LORD: I can only tell you. I have a book out on Donald Trump. And last night I happened to do a book event at a suburban hotel outside of

Philadelphia. There about 150 people there, I can tell you just in having conversation with these, these voters, in Pennsylvania, they are furious at

the national media. They have had it.

I mean, I just, their expressions to me now I'm repeating, they think that the media is not only biased, but they make things up that they throw the

bad light on candidates, they don't tell the truth --

GORANI: This is something he said. This isn't something the media is interpreting. He's actually said he's like to get physically violent with

someone at one of his events. And but of course he's responding to deliberate provocations.

This, and as they say, this is what the American left does. They have long, long history of this. They go in and they try and provoke people to

violence, and frankly the temperature of --

GORANI: I'm not sure that's fair. I'm not sure it's fair to say that because he was provoked deliberately by some major media that leans toward

the left that this justifies this -- I'm saying what critics of Donald Trump's statement would be saying right now.

LORD: Hala, you heard him say that the guy was out there throwing punches. The guy was aggressively violent.

GORANI: Well, I don't know exactly -- I haven't fact checked any of what happened on the side of the protester himself. But let's move on from

that. Let me ask you about what he's been calling Ted Cruz. He called him quote, "sick," did he mean mentally ill? What did he mean exactly by that,

do you think?

LORD: I don't know, but I can tell you, Ted Cruz, whom I like I might add has come under criticism from Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump,

all for some version of the same thing which is to say dirty tricks and not telling the truth.

I happen to know the fired Communications Director Rick Tyler. I like him very much. I've known him since he worked for Newt Gingrich. Obviously he

made a mistake here, but the wrath --

GORANI: He fabricated a video. It's a pretty bad mistake.

LORD: Exactly. But, clearly this sort of plays into this pattern that three of the candidates are all accusing the Cruz campaign of. So I think

there's a problem there.

GORANI: Now, let's talk a little bit about people who say one thing and then it turns out perhaps that it wasn't true in the case -- no, but let me

ask you in the case of Trump.

Because Trump has really used a debate tactic and throughout his campaign this notion that very early on, before the Iraq invasion even happened in

2003, that he was smart enough to see that it was going to be a disaster and opposed it.

But there's no proof that he ever opposed the Iraq invasion. The only thing we can find is a 2002 radio interview in which he said he supported

the idea of invading Iraq. Where is he getting that -- I mean, how is he backing up those statements?

LORD: I found a 19 -- it was 2003 article, he was attending of all things the Oscars. And somebody asked him about it, and his reference was that

the war wasn't going very well. It was clear that he was not having a good time with the thought of the invasion of Iraq.

What he said after that, I don't know, but certainly then, it was very clear in that statement that was, you know, one of these things that was

made as he was going into a party. That he was not thrilled with it.

And certainly, he has expressed to me overtime that he thinks this was a huge mistake. I might add, this is a significant moment in American

foreign policy here when you get a rejection the other day of Jeb Bush.

And if you will, the Bush's rick large, departed from Ronald Reagan conservatism and turned it into neo-conservatism if you will and I think

it's become pretty unpopular.

GORANI: All right, well, Jeffrey Lord, certainly they are trailing in the polls. That is a fact we're seeing it. We'll see what happens in Nevada.

Thanks very much for joining us. We really appreciate your time.

LORD: OK, Hala, any time. Thank you.

GORANI: Well, the remaining Republican hopefuls face off in a debate Thursday in Texas. You can see it Friday at 1:30 in the morning in London

only on CNN and we will re-air it the next day, Central European Time for anyone who would not like to stay up that late.

Now we've spoken about the Republicans, what about the Democrats? They too of course are gearing up for their own high stakes event. CNN will host a

town hall with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in just under five hours' time.

A town hall like this one a few weeks ago put the two candidates on stage separately. No toe to toe debating, this isn't likely to dampen Bernie

Sanders feistiness.

[15:10:09]He's been on the attack since losing to Clinton in Nevada, and he's behind in polls in South Carolina. He's been reaching out to African-

American voters there.

A lot to discuss, Clinton against Sanders, those are the latest figures here for South Carolina with Clinton registering in the polls at least a

commanding lead. We'll tell you more about that later.

And we'll tell you how successfully he has been and we'll have much more on what to watch on the Democratic town hall in about 20 minutes.

Let's turn our attention to Guantanamo Bay, the American president has been promising to do it for years, but he hasn't been able to fulfill a campaign

pledge to close the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Now he's making one final push before he leaves office. Mr. Obama submitted a plan to close the prison to Congress today. It would transfer

some remaining detainees to other countries while the most dangerous ones would be moved to a facility in the United States.

That hasn't been determined yet. Mr. Obama says Guantanamo in fact, rather than help catch terrorists and thwart plots harms America's security

interests and reputation abroad. Listen.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Guantanamo harms our partnerships with allies and other countries whose cooperation we need

against terrorism. When I talk to other world leaders, they bring up the fact that Guantanamo's not resolved.

Moreover, keeping this facility open is contrary to our values. It undermines our standing in the world. It is viewed as a stain on our

broader record of upholding the highest standards of rule of law.


GORANI: Now everyone is familiar with Guantanamo Bay, but just a quick reminder of the figures here and the facts, the U.S. began detaining

terrorism suspects at Guantanamo after September 11th.

The facility now houses 91 remaining prisoners. It's held more than 700 since opening in 2002, at least seven detainees have died in custody and

many others have never been charged.

President Obama's plan to close Guantanamo, of course, is facing fierce pushback from congressional Republicans. Let's bring in CNN political

analyst, Josh Rogin.

Will, basically the question is, Obama has promised this for years, will he be able to achieve it in the last year of his presidency?

JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, from what we've seen in the plan that was released today, there's no new information about how the Obama

administration plans to get around the main obstacle to closing Guantanamo Bay Prison and that is Congress.

The plan has a lot of details about the cost savings that would be achieved by bringing detainees to the United States. It reaffirms the president's

intention to close Guantanamo, but it doesn't speak to what the president will do about the law that prevents the administration from bringing those

detainees to U.S. soil.

That law is on the books. There are some scholars that believe that the president can ignore the law and use his executive authority, but the plan

and the White House are mum on whether or not the president will actually do that. There is no sign that Congress is going to play ball.

GORANI: Now of course this has become a campaign issue. Ted Cruz had something to say about President Obama's proposal, let's listen.


SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just today President Obama announced his plans to try to shutdown Guantanamo terrorist detention

facilities. Let me say this, Mr. President, don't shut down Gitmo, expand it, and let's have some new terrorists there.


GORANI: So Republican candidates aren't just opposing the closure of Guantanamo Bay, they're saying it should be expanded. Is that something

that perhaps, if there is a Republican win would happen?

ROGIN: Well, there's certainly room at the Guantanamo Bay Prison for more terrorists. The bottom line here is that because the Republican candidates

are so opposed to the closing of Guantanamo Bay, there's no chance that Republics in Congress will get behind any plan to move the prisoners to the

United States.

Whether or not that actually ends up expanding the prison, if and when a Republican becomes president, is unknowable, but for the next six, seven,

eight months when the president has his last opportunity to get congressional bind, there will be no Republican cooperation.

So that means that the president would have to use his executive authority not just to bypass the law, but also to spend the money, the plan that

released today says it'll cost up to $475 million to build a new facility, move the prisoners there, ensure they're security.

How the president spends that money without congressional Republicans who control the power of the purse is totally unclear.

GORANI: And so, I mean, looking forward to President Obama, if you look at his legacy, what he's promised. This might be the stumbling block for him.

[15:15:07]ROGIN: Yes, there's no doubt that anyone taking a sober look at this plan and the obstacles in front of the president has to conclude that

one of his first promises as president, to sign executive order on second day in office to close the prison in Guantanamo Bay will not be fulfilled

by the time he steps down from office. The president --

GORANI: What do Republicans suggest be done with terrorism suspects just to keep this facility open, you know --

ROGIN: That's exactly right.

GORANI: -- in an open ended fashion?

ROGIN: They don't see a big distinction between hosting the prisoners here or there. There will always be prisoners in the global war on terror that

we can't prosecute, we can't transfer and we can't release.

Republicans could say, if Guantanamo Bay facility is open and working, why not just keep it? Democrats and some Republicans including Senator John

McCain feel that that is a plight on America's reputation, it does need to be closed --

GORANI: Yes, and is it working? Is it working is the question? I mean, are plans being forwarded? Are the right people being detained? Are they

being charged in a timely fashion?

ROGIN: My take is that the overall effort to house terrorists there, try them, convict them has been a total failure. Very few military commissions

have gone through the process to transfer or release them has been muddled at best.

There's no evidence that facility has kept America any safer than a facility in the United States. And plenty of terrorists have been tried

and convicted in U.S. federal courts on American soil.

So overall, you would have to say that the original concept of Guantanamo Bay Prison has not worn out. Nevertheless, that was a long time ago.

And these days with so few prisoners there and so little political will to close the prison in Congress, you'd have to say that the prison is going to

remain open and functioning for the foreseeable future.

GORANI: Josh Rogin, thanks very much. Always appreciate your time.

A lot more to come this evening. Talk of the ceasefire in Syria's devastating civil war. We'll tell you why not everyone is convinced it'll

make any substantial difference on the ground. We'll be right back.


GORANI: Well, it sounds like a living nightmare for any 16-year-old girl, but all things considered, a Swedish teen got very lucky today. Kurdish

fighters freed her from the clutches of ISIS in Iraq.

They say she was rescued during a raid near Mosul, that's a picture of her. According to Kurdish authorities, she was, quote, "misled" by an ISIS

member to travel to Syria, then crossed into Iraq. Authorities say she will be returned home to her family.

Well staying in that part of the world, does this Syria truce deal have any kind of chance? Syria's government and a main opposition group are now

backing a deal that was brokered by the United States and Russia, but there's still many concerns.

[15:20:03]Nick Paton Walsh joins me now live from Beirut with more. It's due to start Friday at midnight, the chances that this will stick make any

difference on the ground, Nick?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the big silence that people are waiting to hear is from the Syrian opposition armed

groups. Now they haven't actually said they'll go along with this.

And in fact we asked one of them, and they're still debating it. Now the State Department just released a statement in which they urged the

political opposition in Syria, who did initially make very positive noises when the terms of the ceasefire came out.

They are continuing meeting and they hope that the armed opposition will go along with that too. So that's one potential hurdle. Today, we heard from

the Syrian government, much as the kremlin had telegraphed that would endorsing the ceasefire deal, but cessation of facilities terms being used.

One possible wrinkle in their statement, yes, they agree that ISIS and the face of al Qaeda in Syria will not be part of the deal, and can still be

attacked both by a coalition aircraft and by the Russian's and the regime.

But included a fray saying that potentially other al Qaeda-linked terrorist groups. And that could be a reading of how the U.N. has described Nusra or

it could also be an indication maybe there's other targets they may think a legitimate during that ceasefire.

That's where it could all begin to fall apart because the Syrian opposition itself on the ground, the armed groups, they have been in alliances with

Nusra. They have at times had parts of them defect to join.

That's where it could get messy. That's where for example the Russians if you listen to some western countries can't necessarily be trusted, just to

stick to Nusra and ISIS.

Remember, they in the past have been accused of using attacks on ISIS for attacking more moderate groups. A lot that could go wrong and the clock

ticking. Everyone has to be on board with the ceasefire by noon Damascus time Friday -- Hala.

GORANI: All right. It's a tall order and I think many people are still very skeptical if it will make a difference. Speaking of the groups that

are excluded from this sensation of hostilities deal, Nusra, but also ISIS and ISIS took a strategically important new town today in Syria.

WALSH: Well, this is the point here, you know the violence is continuing. And unfortunately, we may end up with it being as violent over the weekend,

except with some of the Syrian opposition groups no longer being in the fight because of a ceasefire deal.

ISIS moved today towards the southeast of Aleppo, a town that seemed huge regime advances backed by Russian air power in the last few weeks or so,

potentially partially sealing off the rebel-held east of that city.

The city's southeast, a town was taken by ISIS off the regime. That's vital because it's key to the supply root that the regime used to move

round to the city's north and aid their advance.

That's now in ISIS hands, they've tried it before, succeeded before, but it could looks it could be more convincing this particular time.

The battlefield continues to be at war, despite this deadline nearing and despite the fact that, you know, yesterday, sorry, last weekend, we had the

single bloodiest attack of the history of the Syrian civil conflict.

The attacks have neared Damascus. A lot to be done in a very short period of time -- Hala.

GORANI: OK, Nick Payton Walsh is live in Beirut, thanks very much.

From the Middle East to India, it could take up to two weeks to restore running water to ten million people in New Delhi. People are scrambling to

fill buckets and bottles from water trucks now roving the city. Here's Sumnima Udas.


SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A truckload of water is the hottest commodity in Delhi right now. People tussle for every drop.

(on camera): Residents in this neighborhood have received no water for the past two days. So this is what they've had to resort to. Tankers like

these, hundreds have been going from neighborhood to neighborhood.

(voice-over): Government officials say ten million people have been affected by the water crisis, which they're calling unprecedented.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We cannot survive.

UDAS: She shows me how she's coping.

(on camera): You've filled up every single bucket in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are not having a drop of water.

UDAS (voice-over): The lives of many in this city of 25 million, disrupted because of week-long protests in the neighboring state of Haryana.

Agitators damaged a major water canal which accounts for 60 percent of the city's water supply.

(on camera): This is one of the main highways connecting Delhi to the state of Haryana, and as you can see, they've completely blocked off the

entire area. They're using these kind of pipes, tree trunks, and trucks.

Trucks have been lined up one after the other. So there's been absolutely no access on this road for the past few days.

(voice-over): Long live unity they chant. The chants are dominant class in Haryana traditionally well off. It's like a camping site.

[15:25:07]But they're demanding a place, reservation in India's education and government jobs quota system, which is designed to help lower casts

that have been disadvantaged for centuries.

The system is so unfair, even if we study really hard, and get much better grades than the lower class, they are the ones getting accepted to the best

universities, just because their lower class.

We want it to be equal for all, he says. The government has set up a committee to address their demands. But these protesters say they don't

believe it. They want it on paper. Until then, they won't continue to camp out.

It's a pattern of resentment growing across India as jobs and admissions and universities become more competitive. Within minutes, they ask us to

leave. Many here are still very angry. This quota system, just one of India's many front lines which can erupt any time. Sumnima Udas, CNN, New



GORANI: Coming up, should Apple be compelled to allow the government to access its phone? Microsoft founder, Bill Gates is weighing in. What he

told CNN is coming up.


GORANI: Microsoft co-founder, Bill Gates has weighed in on a controversy everybody has an opinion on, the battle between Apple and the FBI. The FBI

wants Apple to unlock the iPhone on one of the San Bernardino shooters.

Apple says that to do so, it would have to build a back door that could undermine the security of all of the other iPhones out there, including

yours, mine. Gates spoke about the issue with Fareed Zakaria.


FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, "GPS": Do you think Apple was right to take this public?

BILL GATES, CO-FOUNDER, MICROSOFT: All Apple's doing is delaying the decision. So I don't think it's a big deal. Whether they gave in or

didn't give in. The debate about the issue of are the safeguards there? You know, how does this work in different countries?

That's a valuable debate. I, you know, hope that government uses information with safeguards, but, in order to stop bad things, you know,

widespread tax evasion, child pornography, terrorism, a blind state won't fulfill its role there.


GORANI: Well, Bill Gates there. Let's get more on this, CNN Money business correspondent, Samuel Burke, is with me here in London. So

Samuel, he's bucking the trend here because most tech titans are saying, are siding with Apple.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: This shocked the tech community. I talked to executives back in the state here in Europe, and

you know, you have Twitter, Facebook, Google, all aligning themselves with Apple.

And so it was a big surprise, so much so that some of the executives that I talked to felt like they -- he really, it's so odd to say this about Bill


He doesn't really get how encryption works because what he's says is take a middle ground. But the middle ground is in fact the FBI's side that you

have security set for some of the time.

GORANI: So yes, because the middle ground, there's no middle ground in the sense that either you build a back door, or you do not.


BURKE: Exactly. And that's what the United States is asking for. Right now people say, why isn't Apple just open it up this one time. Apple built this

- an ios, the operating system so secure after all the hacking stories that we've done that even they can't get into it the way it is right now so the

U.S. Government is asking them to rebuild their operating system.

GORANI: OK. And they're saying no to that, but most Americans in a recent poll are siding with authorities on this one. But I do wonder how the

question was asked.


GORANI: Because oftentimes in polls its do you support the government efforts unlock the phone of the San Bernardino terrorist. Obviously you're

going to get, you know, people saying, yes. Do you support the government compelling Apple to build a back door that could affect your door to

privacy I do wonder what the question would be.

BURKE: It may have been asked in a black and white way but when it comes down to it we keep on saying that this is really a black and white

situation. And the reason why the FBI chose this particular case was because they were looking for a case that they could use that people would

be sympathetic to. And as you can see on your screen right there, it does seem like people are sympathetic.

But take a look at this tweet from Edward Snowden. He knows something about governments getting into people's devices. On #FBIvsAsapple, would those

supportive of compelling Apple to harm their product similarly support compelling doctors to harm a patient?


GORANI: OK, There's an analogy from Edward Snowden and a debate I can tell you that was the most heated conversation we had in our meeting this


Thanks very much, Samuel Burke, we'll will have more after this, stay with CNN.


GORANI: Welcome back. A look at our top stories. Making their cases to South Carolina voters. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are set to take

the stage just hours from now at CNN's Democratic Town Hall.


GORANI: Clinton is ahead in the polls, but Sanders is expected to keep pressuring her on money ties to big banks among other things.


GORANI: Also among the stories we're following, U.S. President Barack Obama, is making a final push to close Guantanamo Bay before he leaves



GORANI: He submitted a plan to congress today that would transfer remaining detainees to other countries. While the most dangerous ones would be moved

to a facility in the United States.


GORANI: Syria's government is signing on to a ceasefire agreement due to take effect in a few days a main opposition group also backed the deal.


GORANI: It was brokered by the U.S. and Russia. But forces designated terrorist by the U.N. including ISIS and Al-Nusra front are excluded from

this Cessation of Hostility's agreement.


GORANI: Kurdish forces say they've rescued a 16-year-old Swedish girl from ISIS in Iraq.


GORANI: According to Kurdish authorities, she was misled by an ISIS terrorist, travelled to Syria, then she was crossed into Iraq. Authorities

say she will be returned home to her family in Sweden.



GORANI: Tonight's town hall is set to be the culmination of a tuff race in South Carolina. Bernie Sanders has been hitting Hillary Clinton hard after

her win in Nevada.

Joe Johns brings you up to speed on the campaign.


JOE JOHNS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Bernie Sanders is going on offense today after his loss to Hillary Clinton in Nevada.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What the American people have got to determine is which candidate --- whose life work is about

standing up to the billionaire class, standing up to Wall Street, standing up to corporate interests, and who does not.

JOHNS: And tweeting about the lack of transcripts for Clinton's paid speeches. It's been 17 days since @hillary clinton said she would looked

into releasing her paid speeches to Wall Street. He spent the weekend in South Carolina, even stopping by a fried chicken dinner after church to

court a key demographic, African American voters. But Clinton is riding high after her weekend win.

HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Some may have doubted us, but we never doubted each other, and this one's for you.

JOHNS: Polling shows Clinton has the advantage in South Carolina, in part thanks to her strong showing among African American voters there.

She's out with a new ad voiced by Morgan Freeman that envokes Trayvon Martin and the Flint water crisis.

And the battle between the two candidates is sharpening. Clinton hit Sanders hard over the weekend for overpromising.

CLINTON: You shouldn't say that unless you can really deliver it. If the numbers don't add up, it's wrong to make those promises.

JOHNS: And Sanders accused Clinton of copying his message.

SANDERS: I think our message is resonating and obviously the proof of that is that Hillary Clinton is more or less echoing much of what we are saying.

I think that indicates the success we are having.

JOHNS: Even with her Nevada win, Clinton still faces doubts about her trust worthiness from some voters.

CLINTON: I understand that voters have questions. I'm going to do my very best to answer those questions. I think there's an underlying question that

may be is really in the back of people's minds, and that is, you know, is she in it for us or is she in it for herself? I think that's you know a

question that people are trying to sort through.


GORANI: And Joe Johns joins me now from Columbia, South Carolina. So Joe, let's talk about South Carolina because clearly Bernie Sanders here, this

is a different scenario from New Hampshire, very different. He's behind in the polls. What's the strategy here first off for Hillary Clinton to make

sure it's a commanding win?

JOHNS: Well, Hala I think you can see the strategy right here behind me, I'm at Central Baptist Church, an African American community in Columbia,

South Carolina. This will be a warm event around 6:15 eastern time before the main event this evening when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders face

off at the CNN Town Hall at the University of South Carolina Law School.


JOHNS: Now, they're going to have basically a gun control event here. This group of African American voters coming out to see Hillary Clinton and a

group of mothers of victims of controversial shootings around the country, including the mother of Trayvon Martin. They've been crisscrossing the

state in support of Hillary Clinton. The Clinton campaign sees this issue as a plus for her, the recent CNN/ORC poll suggested Hillary Clinton had a

decisive lead over Bernie Sanders on the issue of gun policy in the African American community.

Bernie Sanders for his part started in Virginia today, and interesting, he kind of backed away, just a bit, from the rhetoric of the last 24 hours.

Even calling on the crowd to not boo Hillary Clinton. So it'll be interesting to see what kind of tone there is this evening when they meet

at the law school, Hala.

GORANI: But are they - is there this a face to face, or do they - is it a consecutive one after the other appearance? How is it organized this


JOHNS: Right. Consecutive, one after the other. Is my understanding that Hillary Clinton goes last. Bernie Sanders goes first. Question and answer,

town hall environment.


JOHNS: So this will be one of the one on one situations which sometimes can be very telling, Hala.

GORANI: And I know we're talking about the Democrats here, but of course Donald Trump, as far as Nevada is concerned has a very big lead in the

polls. He's campaigning now live in Nevada.



GORANI: I wonder, in terms of the sources you speak to in the Hillary camp, if indeed she becomes the Democratic nominee, what do they tell you about

what her strategy needs to be nationally against the candidate like Donald Trump. Which, the fact that he would be the Republican nominee was

unthinkable just a few months ago, and now it appears as though it could be a reality.

JOHNS: Well it's interesting, from time to time on the campaign trail, I've seen it myself, Hillary Clinton has talked quite a bit about Donald Trump

and she's gone very directly against him. She's used some very strong words. And it appears that Hillary Clinton will do just about everything

she can to take him on very, very directly. So, that's what we expect.

It's interesting also I have to tell you in talking with people on the Democratic side who just come out to these events, that the first thing you

talk to people about or the first thing they want to talk about, many times is not about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders at all, many Democrats like

to talk about Donald Trump too.


JOHNS: So, it sounds like it's at least a big potential there for an energized electorate and not just on the Republican side, Hala.

GORANI: All right, Joe Johns, thanks very much joining us from Columbia, South Carolina. And ahead of Saturday's Democratic primary in South

Carolina, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, we were discussing this with Joe, are facing off in the CNN town hall, it airs live at 1:00 a.m. London

time, but you can catch the replay Wednesday at noon in London.

This is "The World Right Now." Coming up, we speak with someone right at the center of the global encryption debate.


GORANI: The founder of the app, "Telegram," tells CNN why he thinks there is still a need for encrypted apps. We'll be right back.



GORANI: Well concerns about privacy have driven some people to encrypted messaging apps. "Telegram" is one of them. The company now boasts 100

million monthly active users. It's a little bit like "What's App." It has 15 billion messages being sent daily. So it's growing and growing. The

founders spoke with our Erin McLaughlin to explain why he thinks it's important to build an app that cannot be cracked.


ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is a man at the center of the global encryption debate. Russian exile Pavel Durov, says he

prefers to remain in the shadows. The self-described introvert, normally doesn't give television interviews. Durov says he wants to explain the

company he cofounded, "Telegram," the messaging app that you download for free on your smartphone. "Telegram" offers encrypted communication the kind

authorities can't easily intercept.

The app's found on the phones of journalists, activists, and business leaders. But "Telegram" has a darker side. It was also found on terrorists

phones on the bloodied streets of Paris.


MCLAUGHLIN: Did that thought cross your mind when you saw what was happening in Paris? That "Telegram" could be involved? Did you think about


PAVEL DUROV, CO-FOUNDER "TELEGRAM": Of course we are concerned about the potential use of the technology we make.

MCLAUGHLIN: So you were concerned?

DUROV: Of course.

MCLAUGHLIN: ISIS later used "Telegram" to claim responsibility for the attacks. Do you feel that "Telegram" is in any way responsible for what


DUROV: I don't think so. They were also using iPhones and android phones and microchips, it's kind of misleading to say that we're responsible or

any other tech company is responsible for that.

MCLAUGHLIN: But many say technology is part of the problem.

DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: In our country, do we want to allow a means of communication between people which even extremists with a signed

warrant from the home secretary personally that we cannot read?

DUROV: You cannot make messaging technology secure for everybody except for terrorists. So it's either secure or not secure?

MCLAUGHLIN: Now this isn't just about terrorism, it's also about criminals, drugs, human traffickers, pedophiles, all have access to your app.

DUROV: When I was living in Russia two years ago, all of this -- all of this activities were used as a pretext to monitor the communication of

Russia citizens. And then in many cases, used to suppress dissidents and liberal thinking.

MCLAUGHLIN: It was 2011, mass opposition protests in the streets of Moscow, Durov was a CEO of the company he founded, VK, Russia's equivalent to

Facebook. He says he publicly refused to block pages of Russian opposition activists.

DUROV: I had a group of armed policemen trying to get into my home. Then I started to think about ways to defend myself, get in touch with my brother.

And I realized that there are very few options for us to communicate securely.

MCLAUGHLIN: He eventually lost control of VK and left Russia. He started "Telegram" believing, people have a right to secure communication, question

many are now asking at what price?

Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.


GORANI: Now to a story out of Egypt that would be laughable if it hadn't really happened. A three-year-old boy is apparently off the hook after

being sentenced to life in prison last week. He was accused, the three- year-old, of various crimes committed during a protest in 2014 when he was just 16 months old. Authorities are acknowledging it's a case of mistaken

identity, but the ordeal has taken a huge toll on the family. Here's CNN's Ian Lee.


IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Three-year-old Ahmed Mansour Qorany Sharara, likes telling stories, he likes playing soccer too, seen here on a local

T.V. channel. One thing he's not, is a criminal, but a Cairo court sentenced him to life in prison. The charge, killing three people and

sabotaging private and public property during a 2014 anti-government protest. Ahmed was 16 months old at that time. Barely able to walk.

His father Mansour Sharara appeared on an Egyptian T.V. show begging for the government not to take away his son. A spokesman from the Ministry of

Interior called in, promising neither Ahmed nor his father would be arrested. He insists, it's a case of mistaken identity. The man they say

they want is in his 50s.

But to add to the confusion, the army released a statement about the case. In it they claim Ahmed Mansour Sharara is 16 years old. This case may sound

absurd, but human rights groups are taking it seriously saying it's yet another example of the deep flaws in Egypt's criminal justice system.

KARIM ENNARAH, CRIMINAL JUSTICE RESEARCHER: It's a troubling problem and probably lead to just wide, mistrust in the judiciary system which has like

long-term effects that would be very difficult to reverse.

LEE: Karim Ennarah says the judiciary needs urgent reform.

ENNARAH: I would go as far as saying that it's disintegrating, the justice system is on the verge of complete dysfunctionality.

LEE: One that almost prevented Ahmed from growing up telling his stories and playing soccer. Ian Lee, CNN, Cairo.


GORANI: Coming up -


GORANI: We go to India's pink city of Jaipur where one foundation is hoping to fuel the dreams of some school children there. We'll be right back.




GORANI: On the road, we are going to Jaipur, India where one foundation has taken the task of feeding millions of school children. And of course it's

no small feat, they hope to see the dreams of India's future generation fulfilled there. Paula Newton reports from the famous pink city.


PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This may look like a story about food, but it's truly about India's future.

130,000 kids.


NEWTON: Every day?

With my hair net firmly in position, this kitchen blows the mind. (inaudible) is a program director with the (inaudible) Foundation. A place

that stirs and cooks and bakes its way into the lives of school children all over India. To do it, the foundation has partnered with the government

and kitchens like this are serving a midday meal to more than 1.4 million kids every day. The impact, the foundation school enrollment is up more

than 20%.

(SHAI RAGHI): If one child of a family well educated, and he can stand on his feet then he can (inaudible) entire family.

NEWTON: Now to follow the story, we need to follow the (inaudible). They make their way to the midday meal at a middle school on the outskirts of

the Jaipur.

School meals feature in many places around the world, but this is part of the largest meal program on the planet. The principal tells me she's

relieved the foundation has taken over the program. She says she's taught in other schools where government subsidized meals prepared and served at

school actually made the kids sick. Food preparation is a persistent problem.

Here the students get balanced and healthy nourishment from the midday meal, it draws them into schools and keeps them here year after year.

(SUSHMA): (As translated) When the food needs are not met, they can't get a good education and a part from that, they will not be able to fulfill their


NEWTON: (inaudible) is one of those dreamers. Her name means happiness in Hindi. And she wants to be a policewoman someday. She takes us to meet her

family, and we ask her mom what the meal program means for her kids.

"Times are tough" she says, "there hasn't been steady work for the family in months." A full meal for (inaudible) and her two siblings at school

meets more than basic needs. It keeps them in school and keeps their dreams alive.

(SUMAN DEVI, MOTHER): (As Translated): I want them to get ahead in life through their education. When they move ahead in life, they'll be able to

make something of themselves and be able to stand on their own two feet.

NEWTON: Just like the students, the (inaudible) foundation has dreams. Expand their midday meal service to more than 30 million school children in

the next several years. Imagine what it's like to try and focus in school if you're preoccupied by gnawing hunger. This program ensures that even if

kids start school on an empty stomach, they never have to leave that way.

Paula Newton, CNN, Jaipur, India.



GORANI: Now to a major, and I mean major cute alert. The Bristol Zoo here in the U.K. has released a new video of the baby gorilla. It was unusual,

delivered by C-section. Kelly Morgan reports on this very rare operation.


KELLY MORGAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's a girl, but look a little closer, and you'll see there's something extra special about this newborn. She's a

Gorilla, one of just a handful ever delivered by cesarean.

JOHN PARTRIDGE, BRISTOL ZOO: The birth is very significant for us. It's always important to breed an endangered species and Gorillas are critically

endangered in the wild.

MORGAN: Even in captivity, this birth was in peril. The staff at Bristol Zoo feared mother (Cara) was suffering from pre-eclampsia, a disorder that

is one of the world's leading causes of illness and death in human mothers and infants. A local gynecologist who had performed hundreds of cesareans

was rushed in to deal with the rare case.

PROFESSOR DAVID CAHILL, PERFORMED C-SECTION: The big differences are that you can't reassure the patient, you can't talk to them. But in terms of

when the operation started and we went through it actually it was very similar, the tissues are very much the same.

MORGAN: The procedure was straightforward, but the emergency was far from over. The baby wasn't breathing.

ROWENA KILLICH, BRISTOL ZOO VETERINARIAN :I had to spend a long time resuscitating her. It took us two to three hours to actually resuscitate

her and get her breathing herself. So yes, , it was exciting, but also quite nerve-racking at the same time.

MORGAN: Now 11 days on, the tiny Gorilla which weighed almost a kilogram at birth, is receiving around the clock care by her keepers. Mother and baby

reportedly doing well, the latter already showing some character.

SARAH GEDMAN, ZOOKEEPER: So she's very forthright just like her mother, she lets us know when she's awake, she lets us know when she's ready for a

feed. So she really is quite bold and gregarious already.

MORGAN: An indication perhaps to the kind of name her keepers will be looking to give her. Kelly Morgan, CNN, London.


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