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Aired March 04, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:27] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Good afternoon and happy Friday to all of you. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You are with me here watching CNN. Listen, lots of talk about today.

We are following breaking news here in the Republican race for president because here's what we know right now. On the left side of your screen, live pictures here, Cadillac, Michigan. We are watching and waiting to hear from Donald Trump. The breaking news that is this, that we have just learned that Mr. Trump plans to skip CPAC. That is a major conservative conference this weekend. He won't be there. Who is there and who is currently speaking, you just saw a second ago, the governor of Ohio, John Kasich, who would like to beat Mr. Trump in winning the party's nomination for president. Who, by the way, we will be speaking to this hour live. Do not miss that. Lots of politics to dive into.

But first, let's get to this. This could be Hollywood's greatest crime story, the grisly murders of O.J. Simpson's wife Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman. O.J. Simpson, as you know, was tried and acquitted for those infamously gruesome acts. The murder weapon, a knife, was never found.

And fast forward to just a couple of hours ago. The Los Angeles Police Department revealing new information that could perhaps alter the course of this cold case. A knife allegedly has been found right around the perimeter of O.J. Simpson's former Brentwood home, his Rockingham Estate.

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CAPTAIN ANDREW NEIMAN, LOS ANGELES POLICE: The story, as it's told to us by the person we received it from, and the person that we received this knife from is a retired LAPD officer who retired back in the late '90s. He was a motor officer. And at the time, according to him, he was working an off duty, which is he was working a moving (ph) job, which a lot of our officers do on an off duty basis, as well as our retired officers. So I do not know whether he was retired at the time that he allegedly received this item from the person who claimed they found it on the property, or whether he was still, in fact, an LAPD officer and then retired some time after that. So we are looking into that.

The bottom line is that with all cases that remain open, such as the O.J. Simpson and other murder cases and robbery cases, unless there's an actual arrest or conviction to prove that we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open.

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BALDWIN: This, of course, is all playing out as the FX TV series about the Simpson trial "American Crime Story: The People Versus O.J. Simpson," is halfway through its ten-part run.

Let's kick off our coverage with our correspondent, Paul Vercammen, who has more on these developments today there from Los Angeles.

Paul Vercammen, please tell me what you know.

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, right now this knife is in the police's scientific investigative division or SID. And what they're going to do is they're going to trace - see if they can find any traces of DNA. Perhaps if they're super fortunate, fingerprints. And they'll also look for blood.

We pressed Captain Neiman on the size of this knife. Is it consistent with the knife that would have been involved in the stabbings, in this murder. And he would not be specific. So we tried to get him to rule things out. A machete, a kitchen knife, a pen knife. He said it certainly was not a machete and he also indicated that they don't want to reveal too much because, as you pointed out, Brooke, this is an ongoing cold case.

So still a lot of mystery hanging in the air. It seems that this is either the most significant evidentiary development in this case in 20 years, or it could be, as can be the case with all things O.J. Simpson, just another red herring and wild rumor, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Do we know, quickly, Paul, why that person didn't come forward many moons ago and say, hey, I have this knife?

VERCAMMEN: We do not. And, of course, as the story is going right now, it's the officer who said - retired officer, that someone else gave him the knife. And so you're attributing, you know, two other people. But that was a question also that we pressed on. And imagine being the public information officer in this scenario and you, too, are wondering, why in the world -

BALDWIN: Yes.

VERCAMMEN: Whether retired or not, an LAPD employee would hang on to this knife.

BALDWIN: Paul Vercammen, lots of questions, thank you, sir, in Los Angeles.

The Nicole Brown Simpson case, by the way, it's still open. And LAPD investigators are looking into any possible criminal violations by the retired officer who says he was given this knife some years ago.

[14:05:10] Let's discuss. I have CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, author of the book "The Run of His Life: The People Versus O.J. Simpson." Also with me here in New York, legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos. And I have Tom Lange with me on the phone, former LAPD lead detective who was assigned to the O.J. Simpson case. And Detective Lange was the man who was actually on the phone with O.J. Simpson during that infamous white Bronco chase.

So welcome to all of you.

And, Detective Lange, let me just kick it off with you. I want a reality check from you. How many knives have been found in the years since this story when it first broke?

DET. TOM LANGE (RET.), LAPD (via telephone): Well, initially, Brooke, there were several knives found around the property. We did a canvass of not only the property but the streets all the way from Rockingham to Bundy with an academy class. There were dozens and dozens of hours spent with over 100 officers searching property areas, sewers, streets. No stone unturned kind of a situation.

As to knives, there were several knives turned in by various people. I mean we even had people admitting to the crime. And you have to look at all of these things.

We also had, don't forget, a witness at L.A.X. who observed Simpson dropping - pushing things into a trash container at American Airlines before he got on the flight. And that - it was never reported to us until months after these items were taken out of a small utility bag, put in the container, and then he zipped the bag shut and walked into the terminal and that was that.

So we've had this type of a thing happen before. This particular incident, we don't know anything about the circumstances of the recovery. It's very unclear. So we're going to have to wait and see.

BALDWIN: OK.

LANGE: As far as the knife itself goes, there's a lot of testing, DNA, possibly prints, but more importantly, probably, if nothing else is there, we're going to check to see if this weapon is dimensionally consistent with the wounds on the victims.

BALDWIN: All right, as Paul Vercammen was reporting, it's in the hands of the SID in L.A. They're going to look at, like you said, the wound's consistent, DNA, forensics, what could be on this. Keep in mind, it's been in soil for years and years and years.

Jeff Toobin, you wrote the book on this. If - let's play the what if game. If this is it, if this is the murder weapon, what happens to O.J. Simpson?

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Nothing. He has been tried and acquitted. And under the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution, he can't be tried again. So this so-called discovery, if it is - does, in fact, have anything to do with the murders, is of great historical interest, but legally, since he has been tried and acquitted and since there has been a civil judgment against him in a subsequent case by the Goldman family, it just has no legal significance at all.

BALDWIN: Mark Geragos, you say you have a theory, sir. Spill it.

MARK GERAGOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, one of my theories is that Toobin has arranged for this because it comes halfway through this TV series.

BALDWIN: Right. What do you think about that, Toobin?

BALDWIN: OK, let's disregard that. Consummate professional, Jeff Toobin.

GERAGOS: Don't answer, Jeff.

TOOBIN: Come on now (ph).

GERAGOS: Don't answer it, Toobin. I don't want you to incriminate yourself.

You know, the only legal jeopardy that I can think of, and I haven't researched it today -

BALDWIN: Yes.

GERAGOS: To take a look at is, you know, you can be acquitted in a state court and you can still be prosecuted federally.

BALDWIN: OK.

GERAGOS: Like Rodney King. And I haven't looked at the statute of limitations, but you're talking 20 years for a violation of somebody's constitutional or civil rights. So if this were to lead to something, would the feds jump in here, would they say that there was a prosecution in the offing? My guess is, it's probably barred by the statute of limitations. But that would - you can do that. You can be acquitted - even if - it's this weird kind of exit or pathway in the double jeopardy clause. You can actually be acquitted in a state court, yet then subsequently prosecuted in a federal court.

BALDWIN: So that's one potential exit route there with regard to the law, but I'm still back on this knife. And, Detective Lange, help me out, just as far as forensics goes. Again, if this - if this knife, you know, dates back, and what was it, '95, '96 -

GERAGOS: Ninety some - ninety - 20 years.

BALDWIN: Twenty years. Twenty years ago. What kind of forensics could you really find on this?

LANGE: Well, it's - it's questionable. Of course, DNA can be around for a long time. But, by the way, I'm also glad to see Mark hasn't lost his sense of humor.

BALDWIN: He sure hasn't, has he?

LANGE: And you're going to check for the DNA again, which is possibly there. I - prints are questionable. But of some consequence is going to be whether or not this weapon is dimensionally consistent. I mean could this have possibly have been used? And, again, we've had several people come forward with knives over the years. This is nothing new.

[14:10:15] GERAGOS: Well, yes, and -

LANGE: And I question how this - this whole thing began. We got people saying one thing and going back 18 years and "a" gave it to "b," who maybe put it and gave it to "c." And we just don't know at this point.

BALDWIN: Go ahead, Geragos.

GERAGOS: And they - and I think Tom's absolutely right. I mean it would be whether there's DNA on there, there can be. I've had cases out of this special SID unit where they had evidence that was 20 years old. A lot of these cold cases, remember -

BALDWIN: Yes.

GERAGOS: Are things, albeit they're in an evidence locker somewhere -

BALDWIN: Yes.

GERAGOS: But 20 years later they get a hit and they're able to then link it up to whatever evidence.

BALDWIN: But that's an evidence locker. This is maybe a knife deep down in some soil -

GERAGOS: And - but what Tom's alluding to though, the bigger problem is kind of a chain of custody problem. First you've got an LA - off- duty LAPD officer -

BALDWIN: Right.

GERAGOS: And, boy, is the PIO guy correct that we - a lot of them are doing movies in L.A. They're - they're - it's a great source of overtime. But he gets it from somebody else. Now, there's all kinds of legal problems with the person, whoever had it, when did they come into it, what did they do -

BALDWIN: Couldn't that person, if you're potentially withholding -

GERAGOS: Evidence.

BALDWIN: Evidence, get into a little bit of hot water?

GERAGOS: Arguably, how did they find it? What's the providence of it? So all those things become real questions that they're going to have to ask. But -

TOOBIN: If I can just add.

BALDWIN: Please.

TOOBIN: I mean Mark - Mark is exactly right, the chain of custody for 20 years -

BALDWIN: Yes.

TOOBIN: Is an enormous problem. But if there is DNA on the knife, which ties to either of the victims or even to Simpson himself, that might trump the chain of custody problem. I mean if the blood is actually that of one of the two victims. You know, that would make it relevant evidence, that then you would work on the chain of custody. But the first thing you have to do is to determine if there is any DNA connection, because if there's none, then this is just irrelevant and nothing.

GERAGOS: And it's a ratings booster. But he - Jeff is right, if there is any kind of DNA, if there's anything whatsoever that they can - even if it's just a small piece -

BALDWIN: Yes.

GERAGOS: That is going to trump in most judge's minds whether or not it's admissible.

BALDWIN: OK. OK. Mark Geragos, Jeff Toobin, detective Tom Lange, thank you all so much. I appreciate that.

LANGE: Certainly.

BALDWIN: Coming up, back to politics. Breaking news here in the race for president. Donald Trump, here he is, speaking right now, Cadillac, Michigan. The news is this, that he has just announced he will not attend CPAC, a major conservative conference, this weekend. So if he's a no show there, what will he be doing this weekend? We have that for you.

Also ahead, will the Republican race come down to two key battleground states being Florida and Ohio? We will talk to one of the contenders for president, Ohio Governor John Kasich, who has been called the only adult in the room. And after 11 debates, many believe his message is now breaking through. Stay with me.

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[14:17:00] BALDWIN: And we're back. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Turning now to the Republican race for the White House. The stakes could not be higher as the discourse is now hitting an all-time low. Yes, folks, Donald Trump and some of the others, they've gone there. For one, Trump defended the size of his - on the presidential debate stage, a counterpunch, he says, to correct the record that he does not have small hands, a punch from Marco Rubio. Will his below the belt bravado make any difference to voters heading to the polls tomorrow? Keep in mind, 155 crucial delegates are up for grabs Saturday.

And if not that, what is it about this story that is first on CNN? Donald Trump announcing he will be skipping the influential CPAC event that stands for the Conservative Political Action Conference. At this point, the billionaire stands head and shoulders above the pack, despite the fact that he is taking it from all sides. The GOP calculating how to keep him - the nomination from him and then, on the debate stage last night, Donald Trump took it from, you know, all sides here, from especially Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are not going to turn over the conservative movement or the party of Lincoln or Reagan, for example, to someone whose positions are not conservative. Someone who thinks the nuclear triad is a rock band front the 1980s.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This little guy has lied so much about my record.

RUBIO: Here we go.

TRUMP: The real con artist is Senator Marco Rubio. The people of Florida can't stand him. He couldn't get elected dog catcher.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, Donald has a tenuous relationship with the truth.

TRUMP: You're the liar. You're the lying guy up here.

CRUZ: Because we've been lied to so many times.

TRUMP: You're the - you're the one. You're the one.

CRUZ: Why don't you release the tape then? Release the tape.

TRUMP: You're the one.

CRUZ: Why are you -

TRUMP: Now let me just tell you -

CRUZ: What are you hiding in the tape?

TRUMP: Let me just tell you - excuse me, I've given my answer, lyin' Ted. I've given my answer.

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BALDWIN: Let me turn now first to CNN's Chris Frates, who is in Cadillac Michigan, there, where Trump is holding that rally.

So, Chris, we'll get into, you know, what Trump said to the rally there. But first, why not attend CPAC? What's the story there?

CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well, Brooke, our own Dana Bash breaking the news that Donald Trump is skipping CPAC this weekend and he is going to Kansas instead. Of course, Kansas is voting tomorrow. This is going to be the first trip for Donald Trump to that state. Then he goes to Orlando for a big rally there. Of course, Florida a huge state, a winner take all state in the Florida primary on March 15th. So that will be a big rally for him.

The American Conservative Union, the guys organizing CPAC, say they're very disappointed Donald Trump won't show up and they say that sends a clear message to the conservative grassroots. And this comes at a time when both Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are hitting Donald Trump for not being conservative enough. Whether it's his record on abortion or the record on giving to Hillary Clinton's campaigns. Both Cruz and Rubio are beating him up. And, of course, we have the small hands debate that continues to rage with Donald Trump defending his manhood on the debate stage last night. In fact, he went after Marco Rubio again this morning. Let's take a listen.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So when little Marco spews his crap about the size of my hands, which are big, the size of my hands. So I looked at him, I said, Marco. No, I just wanted to set - look at that. That - those hands can hit a golf ball 285 yards.

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FRATES: So there you have it, the hands, the scandal continues on the campaign trail. And I'll tell you, Donald Trump starting to pivot to the general election, saying he's the guy who can take on Hillary Clinton and that you need some flexibility when negotiating. And when you look at the polls, there's no question why. Here in Michigan, Brooke, he is leading, 29 percent support, both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio jockeying for that second place position to be the Trump alternative. And I can tell you, here in Cadillac, Michigan, you can hear Donald Trump behind me speaking. They lined up and folks could not get in. They are at capacity with over 3,000 people here. So they're very excited to hear Donald Trump. And we'll see what else he has to say about Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Chris Frates, we will not go too far from you. Thank you, sir, there in Michigan.

Donald Trump skipping CPAC gives his rivals even more reason to criticism him, but they all agreed on one thing in the debate, whoever the ultimate nominee is for the Republican Party, they will all back that one individual.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'll support the Republican nominee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Trump, yes or not?

RUBIO: I'll support Donald if he's the Republican nominee.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, because I gave my word that I would. And what I have endeavored to do every day in the Senate is do what I said I would do.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If he ends up as the nominee, sometimes he makes it a little bit hard, but, you know, I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX ANCHOR: Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it's not you?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The answer is, yes, I will.

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BALDWIN: Joining me now, Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state, who recently endorsed Mr. Trump. I have Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway, who is the head of the polling company. And Jamie Weinstein, senior editor for "The Daily Caller."

So welcome to all of you.

Secretary Kobach, let me just begin with you because you must be thrilled that Mr. Trump is heading to your state tomorrow, prioritizing Kansas, and I'm just wondering, did you have any conversation with him before his camp announced they wouldn't be attending CPAC this weekend?

KRIS KOBACH, KANSAS SECRETARY OF STATE: I did have some conversation with his campaign, not with Mr. Trump directly. But I think it's a smart move. As someone who's been to CPAC before as a speaker, I understand how important that conference is. But, you know, there are 40 delegates on the line tomorrow morning in Kansas. And so Mr. Trump's coming to Wichita to speak an hour before the caucus begins.

One of the interesting things about Kansas, that many people may not know, is in the past two election cycles, caucus goers have voted against the frontrunner when the frontrunner has been an establishment candidate. So they went for Santorum over Romney last time and then in '08 they went for Huckabee over McCain, even though in both cases the frontrunner had pretty much wrapped it up at that point. So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens tomorrow because now the frontrunner is an anti-establishment candidate.

BALDWIN: Right.

KOBACH: And I think Kansas is very much up for grabs and the Trump campaign realizes it.

BALDWIN: Jamie, Secretary Kobach brings up an excellent point, which is delegates, delegates, delegates. 44, as he points out, up for grabs. Do you agree with him that it's a smart move that Trump bails on CPAC?

JAMIE WEINSTEIN, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE DAILY CALLER": Well, I think it may hurt him with all those single issue voters who vote on CPAC attendance. I just don't think there are that many of those. I do agree with him that he - Donald Trump has much more to gain by going to campaign in Kansas and then do a big rally in Florida, with all the press that will engender, the local press, bringing in people and supporters that way, then giving a speech at CPAC. And there are some reports that the audience at CPAC is not the most friendly to Donald Trump this year, so there's a potential even that he gives a speech and he gets some boos. The risk of that doesn't seem very worth taking, especially when he has other alternatives like giving a speech in Kansas.

BALDWIN: I'm not so sure Donald Trump is worried about boos, Kellyanne. What do you think about all this?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER: Right now I think Donald Trump had more incoming fire on the debate stage for two hours with presidential contenders than what a couple of folks at CPAC, where I am right now, Brooke, might say to him. But it does send the wrong message to the grassroots because this is the major gathering. Mr. Trump has been very well received at CPAC in the past. Last year, many standing ovations, huge reception for him. He did better in the straw poll last year than he had the year before. We conducted it.

And, frankly, his spot tomorrow was 8:20 Eastern Time. So this is a man who doesn't have to take his shoes and belt off at the airport. He flies himself around. He basically could have done both. And I would add this. When he skipped the debate in Iowa, in Des Moines, right before the Iowa caucuses, it absolutely cost him votes. We saw that in our tracking polls and he so much as admitted that after he lost the Iowa caucuses.

When you - the voters will decide how important it was for him to show or not show at CPAC, but voters have a funny way of saying you're either with me or you're not. And rallies like this, conventions like CPAC right behind me, are a great form of direct democracy. This is for the individuals who can't pay (INAUDIBLE) to go meet somebody at a fundraiser or stand in line at a 10,000 person rally. So he's welcome to make his decision. I certainly respect that. But it may not come without risk.

[14:25:23] BALDWIN: Kris, to you. I want to move away from CPAC and just talk a little bit about the tone and tenure of the debate last night. I mean you know where I'm going with this, the talking about, your party, and, listen, they're almost all guilty, I would say, except for Governor Kasich, and we're going to talk to him live in just a second.

CONWAY: Mmm, I don't know.

BALDWIN: But - no, I'm not saying, you know, that they're not all, but - but, you know, with regard to the size of hands and saying, you know - one of the candidates saying breathe and count to ten -

CONWAY: Horrible. Horrible.

BALDWIN: And the flexible and the yoga. I mean all these lines. We're talking about the White House, Secretary Kobach. That is not OK.

KOBACH: Well, you know, there's no question, the tone of this year's presidential contest has been unlike anything we have ever seen before. And I think the reason things intensified last night is that, look, it's do and die time if you're in second or third place because you've got so many winner take all states coming up. You've got to re- establish the order. And so if I were advising Cruz or Rubio, I'd say, yes, this is when you take the gloves off. And so I think that's what's happening. Not to make a pun about the hands, by the way.

But the - the point is, we've got to - you're going to see this happening in the next week probably and then maybe for the next few weeks. And then once we see what happens by the end of March, then we'll see if it's all over or not.

BALDWIN: You think it's just going to be Kumbaya with the presumed nominee, that is Hillary Clinton. I don't know about that. Let me - let me - let me get to some sound. The chairman of the RNC, Reince Priebus, on the notion of this convention coming up in Cleveland in a couple of months. You know, he actually does believe that one of these candidates will hit that magic number of delegates, will hit the threshold before Cleveland. Here's Reince Priebus.

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REINCE PRIEBUS, CHAIRMAN, RNC: Whoever the nominee is of our party, they're going to get the full backing and the 100 percent support of the Republican Party.

If it did happen, which, I, again, believe is highly unlikely, and I've said that -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are the odds it won't happen?

PRIEBUS: I, you know, I - I don't know, 85, 90 percent.

If that were to happen, obviously, we're sort in territory that our party hasn't seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the -

PRIEBUS: Again, again, highly, highly unlikely.

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BALDWIN: Jamie, you agree, or no?

WEINSTEIN: I don't - I don't agree with him. There's only two options from my perspective at this point. One is that he - he is right, and Donald Trump goes into the convention with a 1,237 delegates necessary to win it on the first ballot, or he doesn't go into the convention and no one else has that number and there is a contested convention. And, you know, I'm not sure this unifying around Donald Trump as the nominee is as likely as we heard just there. I know we heard on the debate stage that everyone would support the nominee. But Mitt Romney has said he would not support Donald Trump as the nominee. And I find it really hard, even though what Marco Rubio said last night and Ted Cruz said last night, that they are going to turn around and say, you know what, we're going to support a guy we call the con man. Not a guy that we just disagree on the issue with. Someone we actually think is a con man.

BALDWIN: Look at what Chris Christie has done. WEINSTEIN: Well, Chris Christie -

CONWAY: That means they don't think he'll be the nominee.

WEINSTEIN: Well, Chris Christie sold his soul.

BALDWIN: Kellyanne, final word.

CONWAY: That's why they say they'll support the nominee.

BALDWIN: Go ahead, Kellyanne, final word from you.

CONWAY: Well, sure, I just wanted to say that if people are serious about stopping Donald Trump, they have to get Marco Rubio, if not John Kasich, to drop out and support Ted Cruz. There's no ballot out there, Brooke, that says Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, not trump, none of the above. The ballots don't say that. The only way to stop Mr. Trump, if these people are serious, is through another person. You don't just stop him and say, we'll figure out the rest later, maybe at the convention. If the party or members even outside the party try to slide in someone who did not win delegates fair and squarely, the grassroots will revolt and I'll be leading the stampede.

BALDWIN: Well, my guest coming up would definitely disagree with you, but we'll leave it.

Kris Kobach, Kellyanne Conway, Jamie Weinstein, thank you all so much.

WEINSTEIN: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, this.

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GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Scrums that we're seeing here on the stage and people say everywhere I go, you seem to be the adult on the stage.

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BALDWIN: All eyes on Ohio. Is that state a must win for Governor John Kasich? So many questions we have for him. He will be joining me live, next.

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