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[10:00:00] CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Marco Rubio fighting for Florida.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to shock the country. And we're going to do what needs to be done.

COSTELLO: Ted Cruz looking to add to his win.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's only one campaign has beaten Donald Trump over and over and over again.

COSTELLO: Can Sanders pull off another Super Tuesday surprise?

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let's make sure that tomorrow we have a huge voter turnout.

COSTELLO: Not if Clinton can help it.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Join me in this mission. Join me in making this come true.

COSTELLO: Let's talk. Live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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COSTELLO: And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me.

Super Tuesday. Three voting now underway in five states in the south and in the Midwest. Here are some polling places from Missouri to Florida on what may be the single most decisive day yet in this presidential race. The next hours could decide who goes toward the White House and who simply goes home.

Also happening on this busy morning, right now Democrat Bernie Sanders is at a breakfast in Chicago. He's hoping to repeat his Michigan magic with another Midwest upset over Hillary Clinton. We'll keep an eye on the Sanders event and will pass along anything noteworthy.

Also more than 1,000 delegates at stake today. All eyes are on Ohio and Florida. Republicans John Kasich and Marco Rubio may have to win their home states to keep their campaigns alive. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz at the front of the pack and aiming to finish them off today.

Our correspondents gathered across today's battleground states covering every angle. Let's begin with Chris Frates, though. He's in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Hi, Chris.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Carol. So here in North Carolina 72 Republican, 107 Democratic delegates at stake. And not a lot of polling has been done here in North Carolina. But the polls that we do see show both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton with double-digit leads over their competitors.

But that does not mean that Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders have not been competing here in the Tar Heel State. They have been here throughout the last week or so. In fact Bernie Sanders just here yesterday outside Charlotte with a big rally. Ted Cruz here just last week.

And that's because remember, unlike Ohio and Florida which are winner- take-all, here in North Carolina it is proportional. So if they can run up the score and try to catch the frontrunners, they don't have to beat them to get delegates. And that is huge here.

The other thing that's going to be new here in North Carolina is a voter I.D. law. You have to bring an I.D. to be able to vote. So far 700,000 votes have been cast early. Only about 860 of those were cast provisional by people without a voter I.D. and so, so far that has not been a big problem but we have seen on college campuses, because North Carolina does not accept out of state IDs anymore, that some college students are having to vote provisional. Whether or not that affects Bernie Sanders, because he does attract young voters, we will have to watch and see tonight.

Another fun fact, Senator Richard Burr, of course the sitting senator up for reelection here in North Carolina, also had to vote provisional because he lost his license but apparently no problem there either. But we're watching all of these here as voters go to the polls here until 7:30 tonight -- Carol.

COSTELLO: All right. Chris Frates, reporting live from Charlotte this morning.

Let's turn our attention to Ohio where Democrats have been switching party so they can vote on the Republican side of the ballot, that's what they said. At stake the presidential hopes of Ohio's governor and the momentum of Donald Trump.

CNN's Dan Simon is in North Olmsted near Cleveland with more. Hi, Dan.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Carol. You can see some of the voters behind me. It's been sort of a steady trickle here. Ohio, we should point out, is an early voting state. So perhaps that's why things are not jam packed inside this polling place.

The main story line here is whether Ohio voters who twice elected John Kasich to statewide office will give his candidacy a lifeline.

I want to show you something, Carol. You alluded to it earlier. If you're an Ohio voter, you can poll either a Republican ballot or a Democratic ballot. So if you are a Democrat and you want to vote for Trump or you want to vote for Kasich you can do that.

I just spoke to a 59-year-old construction worker, he is a lifelong Democrat. Today he picked up a Republican ballot and voted for Donald Trump. We're hearing the same kinds of things for people who also supported Kasich.

Again, Ohio is an early voting state. And at this point, Carol, the edge seems to be going to the Republicans in terms of the ballots cast. It will be interesting to see if that trend continues here at the polling place. Back to you.

COSTELLO: I think you're in a pretty upscale part of -- upscale suburb of Cleveland, I should say. I don't know if that matters, but just so our viewers know.

Dan Simon reporting live. Thanks so much.

Now let's turn to Florida where Senator Marco Rubio may need to rally a win to keep his presidential hopes alive. CNN's Boris Sanchez is outside of Orlando in Winter Park.

Hi, Boris.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Carol. Yes, it's do or die for Marco Rubio. His campaign has stacked all their chips on Florida and the 99 delegates at stake here. Florida is essentially divided by three.

[10:05:02] South Florida with heavy support for Marco Rubio. The northern part of the state split between Donald Trump and the Florida senator, and here, Central Florida, heavy for the billionaire businessman, Donald Trump expected to do very well in areas like here in Winter Park. They're very friendly toward the demographics that he's had success with. It's about 85 percent Caucasian here in Winter Park. So he's expected to do well.

Though the people that I've spoken to in line very few of them are actually supporting Trump. Many of them have told me they're voting Marco Rubio including one woman who says she's a lifelong Republican soccer mom who supports John Kasich, but she cast her ballot for Marco Rubio because she believes he has the best chance to stop Donald Trump. And she says that should be the main focus of the Republicans from here moving forward.

COSTELLO: All right. Boris Sanchez, we're concentrating on Westerville, Ohio, because we understand that Governor John Kasich just cast his ballot. So I want to show you a picture of that. I assume that he voted for himself. He just -- what, he just walked in? OK. So he just walked in through that open door, which I s why we can't see him. But he's inside that polling station in Westerville Ohio. You see him there filling out his information. And -- OK.

All right. So you see John Kasich voting. And if he comes out the door there and we have a microphone available, of course we'll take you back to Westerville, Ohio, which is right outside of Columbus to see if John Kasich makes any remarks. All right then. If you believe in the polls Florida is in the bag for

Donald Trump. That's likely why Senator Marco Rubio sounded so bittersweet at his rallies in Florida, telling the crowd at one point, quote, "I'll always be a son of this community." Then he talked about Mr. Trump.

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RUBIO: The rhetoric he continues to use is outrageous. He continues to tell the story about an American general who executed prisoners of war with bullets dipped in pig blood. That never happened. But he talked about it like if it would have happened, it would have been a great thing. He's now saying he's going to pay the legal fees of the guy who sucker punched a protester the other day at a rally.

I mean, the rhetoric he uses is irresponsible and over the top. And I don't think it reflects well on our party, then what more in our country. I mean, again I ask America, do we really want to live in a country where everybody hates each other? Where people are at each other's throat?

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COSTELLO: All right. That was Marco Rubio, and we're continuing to watch Governor John Kasich at that polling station Westerville, Ohio, as he casts his ballot.

Back to Marco Rubio, though. It is likely Rubio will leave the race if he loses his home state of Florida. So let's focus on Mr. Trump. Yes, he'll likely win Florida, but Ohio is up in the air. If Trump doesn't win there, get ready to rumble in Cleveland because a lot of people say the convention is likely to be contested.

With me now, CNN political commentator and conservative radio host Ben Ferguson. I'm also joined by Amy Kremer. She's the chairman of the Great America PAC which supports Donald Trump.

Welcome to both of you.

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.

COSTELLO: Good morning.

AMY KREMER, CHAIRMAN, GREAT AMERICA PAC: Thanks for having me, Carol.

COSTELLO: Thanks to you both for being here.

So, Ben, as we watch John Kasich vote for himself, Ohio is running neck-and neck for John Kasich and Mr. Trump. What's your prediction?

FERGUSON: Look, this is going to be a very close one there. And the big question is, how are voters going to react to what has happened with Donald Trump's campaign since really Thursday or Friday of last week? And there are Donald trump supporters that I think are more galvanized because of the tone in attacking Bernie Sanders and going toe-to-toe with these protesters. There are other people, though, that I've talked to that are saying, I

was leaning towards Donald Trump, but I just don't know if this is the direction that we need to be going in this type of rhetoric. And I think that could cost him in Ohio. Kasich was a little bit behind there. And if John can come out and make it clear to voters, look, I'm a statesman. I'm going to act presidential. I'm not going to act this other way that Donald Trump is acting.

It may end up costing him the election in that state. I think he's in really good shape in Florida, but ultimately for people that want this to continue to move forward and not have Donald Trump as the nominee, it all is going to come down to Ohio. This is where John Kasich has to win, and I think he's got a pretty good shot at it. It'll be interesting to see who shows up today and how people vote, though.

COSTELLO: Absolutely. So, on the other side of the coin, let's talk about Mr. Trump, Amy, because Donald Trump is pulling it all out, he'll pulling out all the stops. Sarah Palin stumped for Trump before rushing home to care for her injured husband. And as many of the local papers are pointing out, Governor Chris Christie, he actually skipped a New Jersey state trooper's funeral in order to ask Trump a series of questions. Let's listen.

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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: You've talked a lot at recent rallies about how you want to unify the country and how divided the country is now by this president and how you want to unify them. I think people would love to hear about the way you want to --

TRUMP: Yes. The country is so divided. It's incredible.

[10:10:01] And, you know, it's very sad when you look. And even when you have some of these protesters, the level -- the level of anger from all sides, including the anger from our side. We're angry. Now we're not angry people. I'll tell you that. We're not angry people. We're all -- we're good people. But there's a lot of anger.

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COSTELLO: There's a lot of anger, and Donald Trump says he's a unifier. But, Amy, you heard Ben Ferguson say a lot of people looked at those rallies and didn't think unifying when they thought of those Trump rallies.

KREMER: Well, Carol, I have to say on the flip side of what Ben said, there are many people that supported Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and John Kasich, that have said they're no longer going to vote for those men that they were supporting because they stood up and went against Donald Trump and our First Amendment rights, and accused Donald Trump of what was happening at the rallies when actually those were organized events. A lot of those were organized events.

Look, I think what you're seeing is that the American people on both sides of the aisle are angry and frustrated. And at the end of the day, the campaign season is going to end. This whole campaign is going to end. The primary and the general is going to come to an end. So who is going to be in the White House that can best turn our country around? And when you talk about Ohio, I heard you last hour talk about how manufacturing, moving overseas has hurt the state. And it's hurt other states as well.

(CROSSTALK)

COSTELLO: Along those lines --

KREMER: And at the end of the day I think --

FERGUSON: Amy --

COSTELLO: Along those -- wait a second, wait a second. John Kasich has come out. He's speaking to reporters. Let's listen for a moment.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They'll vote for my reelection.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, what's the biggest surprise of your first national race?

KASICH: Well, I'd say the biggest surprise has been the fact that there -- I found how many people out there are lonely and don't seem to have anybody that listens to them or spends time with them or encourages them. That's been the biggest surprise in the race is that I've come to realize that there are a lot of people who just would like to be made to feel special. And it's been a great thing to see.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What do you have to say to John -- to Donald Trump today?

KASICH: You're not going to ruin my day after I voted myself for president. I have nothing to say to him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A lot of work leading up to today, Governor. How do you feel?

KASICH: I feel great. We're going to win. I feel terrific. It's great. You know, do I seem like I'm nervous or uptight? I'm having a great time.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What does it feel like to vote for yourself for president?

KASICH: It feels -- I learned that you need to vote for yourself because if you don't, you could lose. So, I mean, it felt -- it felt very nice. I mean, it's a long road for me, and I'm -- I am very, very humbled by the campaign and the experience and the attention, and, you know, attention and success can be very, very dangerous if it's not handled the right way, and so I try to check myself all the time and make sure that I'm handling it the right way, which is to be appreciative of the opportunity and -- can I finish?

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE)

KASICH: Well, look, I mean, it's all about keeping your feet on the ground. All the opportunities that you have are really a blessing and grace, and that's what matters. And everybody here -- this is our moment in time and before we know it, we'll all be gone. So we do the best we can while we're here, and -- but you have to watch all the time when you get a lot of attention because, you know, the proverbs say that an unguarded stranger is a person's greatest weakness. So I have a lot of good friends around me.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Time for one more.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So you were in your hometown last night doing a rally. I mean, this is the day that you can also (INAUDIBLE) people, you know, your neighbors.

KASICH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What are you hearing from -- what did you hear from them last night? What do they have to say about your bid and about having you come home for the election?

KASICH: Well, I mean, I think people are proud. You know, it's really interesting because I've been asked, do you regret the fact that you've been so positive in the campaign, and we all know that by the fact that I ran a positive campaign, or our team has run a positive campaign, that there were probably missed opportunities to get attention early on. But by continuing to run the race, the positive campaign is now starting to shine through like a beacon, all over the country, and as a result of that, it tells you, you do the right thing even when, you know, sometimes -- first of all, I was never tempted to go negative.

That was never a temptation. In the third debate, that's -- I was the first one to challenge Donald Trump for his position on immigration and Ben Carson's position on Medicare.

[10:15:06] UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What's next for you?

KASICH: Can I finish?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Yes, sorry.

KASICH: Sometimes I take time to think before I finish.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You pause.

KASICH: And -- but running a positive campaign has been really, really good, and I think my neighbors have been proud of me. I know my daughters are, and my wife. I will be, however, forced going forward to talk about some of the deep concerns I have about the way this campaign has been run by some others, by one other in particular. But today is not the day to do that. I've been very concerned. I just saw a commercial, I guess it was

last night, of these comments that were made about women. I have two daughters. They see this stuff. What do you think they think? I'll have more to say about that, but that's going to be not designed to be negative as much as it is to point out things that I've seen that are deeply disturbing in this process, and I think I have a right to do that as a candidate, but in terms of rolling around in the mud, that's not where I intend to really ever go even in the fall election.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, you've been --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, what's next after Ohio, after you win?

KASICH: We're going to Pennsylvania tomorrow.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, you've been teasing that you're going to say more on this the last few days.

KASICH: I'm not teasing anything. I'll let you know when I have something to say.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is it a strategic decision to do that?

KASICH: No, I don't do -- we don't do a lot of whole strategic things about what I say. Have you noticed?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Well, my question --

KASICH: I say what I want to say when I want to say it. OK. I don't know. I'm building things up in my mind. I'm thinking.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: While you're waiting --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Are you saying that you weren't aware of these things before?

KASICH: I really was not. I really wasn't. You know, I know -- I think you even asked, you know, that Jake said something in the debate. I'm not really paying that much attention to that. It took for me to see the Friday video, and then I actually 48 hours ago asked Chris Shrimf to give me a list of all the quotes, which I had not really seen before.

You know, things move fast in a presidential campaign. You don't really focus on -- I focus on what I'm going to be doing at my next event. I'm focused on who is winning the golf tournament that I'm interested in, and that's about it. I mean, I don't really focus on what somebody else is doing in some other campaign. So it was really the first time that my eyes were really opened which meant I was probably like a normal voter, to be honest with you.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, why do you continue to say that you were the first one to take an Donald Trump in the first debate? By that point, Scott Walker and Rick Perry had gone after Trump.

KASICH: OK, maybe they did. They went --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Carly Fiorina had had her interaction with Trump.

KASICH: Yes. But that was -- that was a different thing. That was sort of name calling. I brought up the issue of immigration. Right down here in Westerville, you hadn't been assigned to the campaign yet. They didn't know we existed. Some of you were down there at the -- at that rally. Remember that? Before the debate.

And Reed, in all seriousness, that's when I started to point out, you know, the differences on immigration, and, again, that was when Ben Carson basically said, you know, we don't have to have Medicare anymore.

So -- but, look, I'm just saying this was not something I ignored. But in terms of what I saw on Friday night and what I've seen since then, reading these quotes, it's taken me to a whole another level.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Why are you waiting?

(CROSSTALK)

KASICH: You don't even know what I'm going to say. The people will know. When I have -- when I feel like I want to say something, then I'll say it. And that's the end of it. OK? I don't operate on somebody else's timeline or somebody else's schedule, including reacting to events.

I react on my timeline and my schedule because when you're governor of the 7th largest state, you learn to be cool about things.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you think, Governor, that people will ask for Democrat or Republican ballots? Will they switch parties during these elections possibly to vote you?

KASICH: One lady told me she was. We'll see. I think some -- one lady told me yesterday. She didn't know. We were at the -- where we were, Youngstown, and a lady made me some hard boiled eggs and she said, I really wish I could vote for you but I'm a Democrat. I said, well, you can switch tomorrow. She said, well, I will. And I'm going to call my sister. So.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, has Pete Rose talked about endorsing you at all? I know --

KASICH: Haven't talked to Pete Rose. But Arnold tweeted some cool stuff out. I guess he sent something out today telling people that, you know, they need to vote. That was cool. I just got Earl Bruce and Jim Tressel, of course, and Urban Meyer. That's pretty cool. And if I -- when I win here today, maybe I can get Barkley to finally come over.

[10:20:06] I would like to travel with the Round Mound of Rebound. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Thank you.

KASICH: Thank you all. Hey, let me just tell you one other thing. In all seriousness, let me tell you one other thing. It really is pretty amazing. Where I came from, we all hear these stories. You know. But the stories could be about you, too. This one just happens to be about me. To have started here, right, as an aide all the way back to Nixon and all the way back to church and all the way back to my family, and then to come in here today and cast a vote for yourself for president of the United States, it's pretty remarkable.

But, you know, at the same time I say it, I just want you all to understand, if any of you ever see me, and I -- I had apologized to somebody here just the other day because I wasn't -- didn't respond as appropriately as I should have. If any of you ever see me getting out of control, I want you to take me aside and I want you to say, remember what you told us at that press conference, OK? Because I just want to be a good guy. Helping my country is all I really want to do. OK? Thank you all very much.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What do you have to say to your volunteers --

COSTELLO: All right. John Kasich after voting at that polling station and talking with local reporters there. You can tell he has a very warm and close personal relationship. He's been a politician in the state of Ohio for such a long time. Way back in the day, in the '80s when I used to cover politics in Columbus, Ohio, John Kasich was in the Ohio legislature. He was one of the youngest members ever. Maybe he set a record. I don't quite remember. But I know he was a very young man when he first got elected to public office. And he's remained a successful politician through all of these years.

I want to go back to Ben Ferguson and Amy Kremer.

You heard, Ben, what John Kasich said at the end there. He just wants to be remembered as a good guy. And I'll just share a personal story.

FERGUSON: Yes.

COSTELLO: Because I covered John Kasich way back in the day. After my brother died, my brother died of cancer at a very young age. John Kasich made a point to call me on the phone. And he took me to lunch. And, you know, he lost both of his parents in a drunk driving accident, and he gave me great comfort in those days, so he is a good guy, and I guess that -- you know, that story was brought to mind by the words he said at the end of that press conference which is so unusual coming from a politician.

FERGUSON: Sure.

COSTELLO: To want to be remembered as a good guy no matter what happens.

FERGUSON: Well, and I think that shows his sincerity. I also think it shows exactly why he's doing so well in his home state and why I think it's going to be a tough battle there. He has run a positive campaign regardless of the attacks that have been coming from him directly from Donald Trump. As he said, I want to be a good guy. I want my family to be proud of me. I think he was referring to where Marco Rubio got down in the mud and then said he would never go back there and he embarrassed his children. I think that was definitely a direct connection there.

I also think he's been very smart with the workers in Ohio. I was watching one of his smaller meetings that he had, and he was reminding workers that hey, I am fighting for you. Donald Trump claims he's fighting for you, yet all of his goods and clothes are made in foreign countries. He brings in foreign workers to his resorts in the summertime.

Let's look at the record, and I am one that's fighting for your manufacturing jobs in America. I'm not claiming that I'm fighting for you. I'm actually doing it. And I think that is a key reminder.

KREMER: Ben, he supports the big trade deal.

FERGUSON: Again, look at -- I'll say this and tell me where Donald Trump's clothes are made. Tell me where his foreign workers are coming from. They're called foreign workers because they're coming from foreign countries. Donald Trump has been saying that he's standing up for the American worker and the manufacturer, yet none of his clothes are manufactured in America. Why? Because he cares more about the profits coming in.

KREMER: Ben.

FERGUSON: Than he does about doing the right thing. And I think that is going to be an issue today for voters specifically in Ohio.

COSTELLO: Well, Amy, before you launch into your defense of Donald Trump, and I'll allow you the time, I want to bring up that ad that John Kasich mentioned in that impromptu press conference. He talked about an ad that was put out today. It's an anti-Trump ad and it had a series of women repeating lines that Donald Trump actually said. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know it really doesn't matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her, wherever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Women, you have to treat them like (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP) COSTELLO: So, Amy, John Kasich said when he heard that, he found it very effective, and coupled with what Ben Ferguson said, will that hurt Donald Trump?

KREMER: Carol, this is what I say to that. I challenge both of you to find me one person on earth who has never said something they don't regret. It's very easy for a politician --

[10:25:07] FERGUSON: That's a pretty bad defense.

KREMER: -- to speak the political correctness all the time. They always speak to political correctness. Donald Trump has never been a politician. It's very hard to find somebody who hasn't made mistakes and said things that they regret over time. At the end of the day, this is what -- it's not about Donald Trump. That's what the media and the D.C. consultant class is missing here is that this is about the American people.

And, Ben, when you talk about John Kasich is fighting for jobs and so on and so forth, if that's the case, why hasn't he done well across the country? Because he supports the big trade deal.

FERGUSON: Because he hasn't been a --

KREMER: The Transpacific trade deal that President Obama put together. Wait a second. He has not been, he has not been the stellar governor that everybody says. What's going to happen in 2018? He expanded Obamacare in his state.

FERGUSON: Look at his approval ratings in Ohio.

KREMER: Expanded Medicare.

FERGUSON: That fact is you're wrong.

KREMER: Ben, Ben.

FERGUSON: Actually you're wrong.

KREMER: If he were doing so well -- let me tell you something.

COSTELLO: All right.

KREMER: In 2018 when he's no longer in office, they're going to have big budget problems because of his large expansion of government.

COSTELLO: OK.

KREMER: And the American people aren't stupid. They're not falling for the talking points.

FERGUSON: I agree.

COSTELLO: I got to --

KREMER: Coming from the political class. COSTELLO: I got to end it there. I got to end it there. And --

KREMER: It's become the working class versus the ruling class, Carol. That's exactly what's happening.

COSTELLO: All right. I have to leave it there.

FERGUSON: Carol --

COSTELLO: Thanks to both of you. Amy Kremer, Ben Ferguson, I do have to leave it there. Thanks so much.

FERGUSON: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Ohio Democrats voting Trump? Why some blue-collar voters say the GOP candidate is winning them over.

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