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Trump Talking About Never Trusting Anyone; U.S. Women's Soccer Team Claim Pay Discrimination; Apple Wants FBI to Reveal How It Unlocked A Terrorist's iPhone; President Obama Takes to the Stage at His Nuclear Summit. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired April 01, 2016 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: I think it's some really fun and interesting themes for us to explore over the next couple of months of what kind of people would he feel comfortable having advised him, whose advice would he actually listen to. And so, I think there is actually a lot more for us to explore there, even though everyone seems to think they know everything they want to know about Donald Trump.

PAMELA BROWN, CNN HOST: Right. I mean, it's a fascinating window into his thinking from several years ago that you just pointed out. Really, really fascinating stuff.

Thank you so much, Maeve. Appreciate it.

RESTON: Thank you.

BROWN: Well, Trump truly gave an open and raw self-assessment but how can they play out for him with voters?

Joining me now to discuss are Susan del Percio, a former administration official, of former New York mayor Giuliani. And Scottie Nell Hughes, national political commentator for USA radio networks and a Trump surrogate. Thank you both for coming on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Great to be here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

BROWN: So Susan, I'm going to start with you, because we just heard from Maeve's report, Trump talking about never trusting anyone. That really struck out to me especially because clearly he's very loyal to his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and others who are around him. But it is surprising that he basically says flat out I don't really trust anyone around me.

SUSAN DEL PERCIO, FORMER ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: And you know, the one thing about Donald Trump, he has been consistent over the years, and when he has always asked, where do you learn about foreign policy? He says myself, my brain, I watch the shows. He relies solely on that gut instinct.

The problem is that running the federal government is much more complex. And you have to rely on other people to get things done. You can't oversee every aspect of the federal government yourself. And that's where he gets into trouble. And I think just to dove tail into the other comment that was made on revenge is especially telling, because, again, as president, you do have to work with the Congress and you will lose and you will win and you will have to move on. And if you go on and hurt somebody so bad they can't get up, they won't be able to negotiate with you the next round.

BROWN: So Scottie, do you think he has got over the revenge thing over the last few years or no?

SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, NATIONAL POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, USA RADIO NETWORKS: Well, let me just point out, all those comments, all those quotes, yes, he found them in book. They're very selective and they're very negative and paint a false picture of who Mr. Trump is. If that were so, you would not have an employer like Mr. Trump who has (INAUDIBLE) since 1988. And if you talk to him, you can see the adoration and respect that has from. Or co-workers. He has over 32,000 employees currently working for the Trump organization and he's had this over the last two decades. And yet, we are -- if he was such a bad and evil and conniving man and (INAUDIBLE), like those quotes try to paint him to be, you would see all of them all over the national news headlines being said how horrible of a boss he is and yet you don't. He is actually a very good - he is a good boss. He is a good employer if you talk to these people that around him.

One of the reasons why I have no problem going out speak on his behalf is because I talk to people that know him, who has worked for him and there's nothing but respect for him. Because that's what he shows people who respect him. I'm sorry, I think that those quotes paint the exact opposite picture of really who Mr. Trump is. He is a family man. He is somebody who cares a lot for people. Cares a lot for the country. Not because he has to, not because he can't get a job anywhere else, but because he always said if he felt like the country needed him, he would step up to that point. He is doing this because he truly feels about this country, I don't know why people can't give him credit for that.

BROWN: OK. Go ahead and then I would jump in. Go ahead.

DEL PERCIO: No. I was just going to say, he will double -- if you ask him about those quotes, which people have, he says yes, I am those things. I do think that way. I think it's just an insight into how he leads and manages his company which granted has been very successful. I just don't think those traits will necessarily translate into being very successful if you're the president of the United States.

HUGHES: But what is success in government right now? I mean, look at it. We're $19 trillion in debt. Our borders have more holes in it and cheese. I mean, we have a real problem in this country in the fact that maybe we have become more kowtowing to lobbyists and others --

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BROWN: At that point, and Scottie, I mean, first of all, the insinuation that we just picked out the most negative quotes --

HUGHES: No. And I know you didn't --

BROWN: But I mean, it goes to what you're saying. Look, he's tough. And he says he doesn't take anything from anyone. To your point, that's what people like about him, you know. This gives a little insight into his thinking, you know, that's part of his appeal.

HUGHES: And you are exactly right. It does put a lot -- he is a tough -- he is a tough, he is a strong, he is a leader. And you know what? You have to wonder about this trust factor. I mean, we're in this business. We get hit all the time. I think the reason why he is so careful with who he trust it is because he has been hurt and he trusts so much after so many years. So therefore, he does have a tight inner circle. But I guarantee the people, if you earn Mr. Trump's trust, guess what, you've got it for a long time. And that speaks volumes. He's very loyal to those who have been good to him and treat him right and vice versa. That is what people do.

And you hit the nail on the head. It's not that you cherry picked bad comments, but there are a lot of great things that he has also said in those book. There's a reason why it's number one. And I think a lot of people don't give Mr. Trump the credit. We heard the story this weekend in Wisconsin of the beauty queen back I think in 2005, Miss Wisconsin herself and how she's dying cancer and how she was in tears and grateful to Mr. Trump for everything he's doing for her and her family.

I mean, these are the stories that we hear about before Mr. Trump was running for president. Before he was a politician. He did it because out of the goodness of his heart and those are the stories that don't get told enough for the media. I don't know why. I think they should be broadcast more because there are lots more of those than necessarily get put on the headlines of the newscast.

[15:35:27] BROWN: Susan, quickly. Final thoughts.

DEL PERCIO: Just final thought, I agree with what Scottie was saying about the direction of our country going except we need a leader who can get things done. And again you have to look at those qualities that we just talked about. He didn't say -- he says hire the best people, but you don't trust them. He doesn't trust anybody. He is going to have to let go of the reins a little in order to get things done or otherwise he will be just as ineffective as all the other leaders we've seen recently in Washington.

BROWN: Well, this is a comprehensive report put together. People can look at it and take away from it what they want.

Scottie Hughes, Susan del Percio, thank you very much for that.

HUGHES: Thank you.

DEL PERCIO: Thank you.

BROWN: Up next, we have some new details about who might have helped the FBI hack into a terrorist iPhone.

Plus, players from the U.S. women's soccer team claim pay discrimination. We are going to breakdown whether they have a case here.

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[15:30:39] BROWN: Well, Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it unlocked a terrorist's iPhone. This comes, of course, after Apple refused to help the FBI untangle the iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino killers.

Sources close to the Israeli company, Celebright (ph), tell CNN that Celebright was behind the phone hack. However, law enforcement sources tell me that flat out they are denying that Celebright is behind it.

Joining me now to discuss all this, CNN Money tech correspondent Laurie Segall.

Laurie, thanks for coming on.

First of all, you have spoken to Apple engineers about this. What are they saying? What is their reaction?

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECH CORRESPONDENT: You know, regardless as to what the third party, who the third party was that did this, they say they are frustrated. They are saying they are frustrated that this vulnerability is out there and no one has come to them and told them what it is so they can patch it up.

Let me read you what they said to me. They said we love to know what this mechanism is so we could address it and fix it in our product. It goes without saying normal practices are to let the manufacturing know so it is fixed for all the customer.

So Pam, there is, you know this additional tension between the FBI and the government here. They want - between Apple, because they want to know what this was. Now, that's not necessarily always the case. You know, there's actually a review process. A formal DOJ official tells me that oftentimes in these scenarios there will be a review process where they decide whether to share the exploit. And they might not if it is a matter of national security. And what he said to me was they might actually have less of an incentive now that, you know, Apple has shown that, you know, they will fight this and they might not cooperate to share that exploit so they can patch it up. They might make it harder for the government to get into phones they're sitting on, Pam.

BROWN: Right. I mean, the FBI could simply just classify this, you know, if it comes to that and not tell Apple what the method is. And like you said, they don't really have much of an incentive at this stage. But what did the engineer say about the concern, now that the cell phones are at risk, vulnerable? They have clearly there's some way to get into the phones and apple's argument from the get-go was we don't want to create any new software because then not makes these cell phones more vulnerable to hackers. Well now it has happened.

SEGALL: Right. I mean, it's a good point. It's one of the first things I asked him on the phone. I said, you know, a lot folks are saying OK, well, since you don't know what this vulnerability is, does this make us all less safe? And what they said to me is that's hyperbolic. They said that this is an older version of the phone. It was an older software. And they made it a point to say that they have tens of millions of lines of code in each of these devices and that they will not always be bug free. That's why they issue these software updates. And they said that's why they fought tooth and nail to not built software that they believe would intentionally weaken the phone.

Now, you look on the other side and folks, this former DOJ official I spoke to basically said, OK, well, here's the other argument. If they don't want to build it, a third party's going to build it, and other folks and anyone can have access to the third party so it's an interesting conundrum that you have here, Pam.

BROWN: Very quickly, Laurie, there's a lot of speculation about who this third party is about Celebright. I am being told that it is not Celebright by law enforcement officials. Has the company put out an official statement on this?

SEGALL: You know, they haven't. And it's interesting what someone said to me that kind of resonated was OK, let's say even though sources have said it is Celebright, you have law enforcement saying it's not Celebright, why wouldn't they just come out and say it's not us? Well, you got to take a look at their stock price which surged the day that this information came out, you know, this is good for business. Now there's also speculation because they signed a contract with the FBI and this cape out the day the FBI announced this. So, you know, there is a lot of back and forth. But there might not be incentive for Celebright to come forward and say, you know, it wasn't us.

BROWN: Like you said, it's certainly getting their name out there.

Laurie Segall, thank you very much for that. Appreciate it.

Well, equal pay for equal play. That is the new demand from some of the most elite female soccer players in the U.S. Five members of the national team including Carly Lloyd and Hope Solo announced they have filed a federal complaint against the U.S. soccer association. It cites figures indicating they were paid just about a quarter of what men's players earned. And here's the kicker, the team's winning world cup final was the second most watched soccer match in U.S. television history, the most for any U.S. team, male or female. Some of the players appeared on the "Today" show.

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[15:45:01] CARLI LLOYD, CO-CAPTAIN, U.S. WOMEN NATIONAL SOCCER TEAM: The timing is right. I think that we have proven our worth over the years, you know, just coming off of a world cup win and the pay disparity between the men and women is just too large and we want to continue to fight. The generation of players before us fought. And now it's our job to keep on fighting.

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BROWN: So let's talk about this with CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan.

Christine, thank you so much for| coming on.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Thank you, Pam. My pleasure.

BROWN: You look at the viewership numbers and typically something we often see when justifying the discrepancy of pay between male and female players, but do you think last year's world cup numbers set a precedent here that U.S. soccer officials won't be able to use as an excuse anymore given the numbers?

BRENNAN: Absolutely, Pamela. I think that this is the perfect team to be fighting this battle, the perfect group of women. And it's set against the backdrop of the national conversation about women's pay. So they're not doing this in a vacuum or a bubble. Just as Billie Jean King fought for equal pay for women's tennis in the late '60s and early '70s which led to the U.S. tennis association, back in 1973, equal pay for men and women at the U.S. open. That's 1973, the U.S. tennis association, national governing body for tennis. There's all these sports, all have national governing bodies. U.S. soccer is the national governing body, of course, for the sport of soccer in the United States. And it's really being shown up by something like tennis doing this in 1973.

And I think you're absolutely right. The popularity of this team, the TV ratings, the little girls who wait by the thousands, tens of thousands, to watch them play and get autographs. This team is so popular. It's going to be very hard for U.S. soccer to fight against them.

BROWN: And the federation issued a statement that says, in part, our efforts to be advocates for women's soccer are unwavering. This includes leading a successful campaign to introduce women's soccer in the Olympics in 1966. The inclusion of prize money for the women's world cup and the establishment and support of the national women's soccer league. And they also say they're, quote, committed to and engaged in negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement.

What does that signal to you? I imagine what they ticked off as things they've done for the women's soccer team clearly isn't notch to this team.

BRENNAN: Yes, you know what, right, when you look at soccer worldwide, it is such a male dominated bastion. It is such sexist world frankly. And so, the U.S. is doing better than everybody else. And that's the positive there. And U.S. soccer has done many things, including running the 1999 women's world cup, Brandi Chastain, so many people remember that, rose bowl filled to capacity in July of '99, Seminole moment not just forever soccer, for women's sports. And I think for all girls growing up everywhere at that time. So U.S. soccer's done a lot. What the U.S. women are saying, these

five women who are now coming out with this complaint, they are saying U.S. soccer has not done enough. They're looking at it through the lens of 21st century America. Not the rest of the world. And that's where U.S. soccer's in a bind because they have done a lot, absolutely. But by comparison, against all the other countries that have done almost nothing in this very sexist world.

BROWN: Well, I mean, they just look at the numbers and say the men are getting paid more than us. That's simply not fair.

Christine Brennan, thank you. Final thought?

BRENNAN: Yes, no, absolutely. That's where, again, I think the women are going to win this because they are just so popular and the argument really almost looks like a slam dunk.

BROWN: They certainly are popular, that's for sure.

Christine Brennan, thank you very much.

And up next, world leaders hashing out ways to keep nuclear material out of the hands of ISIS. President Obama expected to talk about that any minute now. We're going to bring that to you live.

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[15:52:43] BROWN: ISIS getting its hands on materials for a nuclear bomb. And Obama about to take the stage at his nuclear summit to talk about the very real threat dominating today's session. Leaders from across the world meeting right now in Washington, weighing in on the state of global nuclear security and how to stop groups like ISIS from waging nuclear terrorism. While we wait for the president to step out, let's go live to Michelle Kosinski at the D.C. convention center.

So Michelle, what do we expect Obama to lay out, anything resembling a plan today?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Pamela. He is going to talk about the threat that ISIS poses. This huge and nebulous threat of them getting their hands on nuclear material or radiological material that's a lower grade that's in all kinds of sites and hospitals and industries around the world. I mean this is a big gray area of how to protect all of that material. So I think what we're seeing to see from the president is strong statements on why the world needs to work together to counter that. Not necessarily a plan laid specific to ISIS, but initiatives that are going to be broader in terms of nuclear security but that also are going to affect that ISIS threat.

For example, the U.S. really has a push here to stop nuclear smuggling, to make it much harder, a lot more oversight of how nuclear material is moved, and the U.S. was able to get 102 nations to sign onto better protection of nuclear material within their borders. And also, you know, some threats that you don't always think of. We know that at nuclear facilities around the world there's tight security. The U.S. would like to see that security tightened. That's one thing that's being worked on. But then you think what about somebody on the inside that's working there that has clearance that then becomes radicalized. You know, that's kind of one of those threats that isn't so obvious. And much more difficult to target. But the U.S. is also launching a greater initiative, more cooperation among countries to try to target that as well.

Other things were announced here today. And you know we often think about governments working together. They're talking about highly enriched nuclear material. I mean that's complicated. You would have to get your hands on that. You would have to have the know-how to make some kind of improvised nuclear bomb. They are trying to reduce the amount of that material around the world. There's been real progress in that area. Even today there were announcements of certain countries eliminating their stockpiles altogether. But when you think about ISIS on the ground looking for material, it's more likely to come from places like industries that use it. You think about cancer treatments and thousands of hospitals around the world. Some of that highly unsecured. There's talk about trying to increase standards over those civilian applications too. So they're trying to cover all their bases and we'll see, you know, incremental progress as things go on, Pam.

[15:55:36] BROWN: Just curious, Michelle, what has the buzz been like there with Russia not being at the table to have all these discussions?

KOSINSKI: Well, the U.S. is really framing it in terms of they see that it's a snub, it's a statement Russia is making that they don't want to be a part of this. In fact what Russia has said about it is they don't like to see the U.S. trying to exert its influence --

BROWN: OK, Michelle, I'm going to sadly cut you off so we can hear President Obama speak.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Just to summarize where we've been, in the morning session we discussed the extensive and impressive national action steps that many of us have taken and the collective efforts that we've made to reduce the amount of nuclear material that might be accessible to terrorists around the world.

During lunch we focused on international institutions, and I was hardened by our collective commitment to ensure that the IAEA, Interpol, the United Nations and the various coalitions that have formed are properly resourced and supported by various nation states in order for them to be able to carry out the ongoing work that will be required to ensure that the commitments and pledges and practices that we have put into place during the course of these nuclear security summits carry forward.

This afternoon's session turns the focus on the terrorist networks themselves. It tells us the possible consequences of terrorists obtaining and using a weapon of mass destruction. Fortunately, as I have said this morning, no terrorist group has yet succeed in getting their hands on a nuclear device. Our work here will help ensure that we are doing everything possible to prevent that. This is also an opportunity for our nations to remain united and focused on the most active terrorist network at the moment, and that is ISIL.

A majority of the nations here are part of the global coalition against ISIL. A number of our countries have been targeted by ISIL attacks. Just about all of our nations have seen citizens join ISIL in Syria and Iraq, so this is a threat to us all.

In Syria and Iraq, ISIL continues to lose ground. That's the good news. Our coalition continues to take out its leaders, including those planning external terrorist attacks. They are losing their oil infrastructure, they are losing their revenues, morale is suffering. We believe that the flow of foreign fighters into Syria and Iraq has slowed. Even as the threat from foreign fighters returning to commit acts of horrific violence remains all too real. In fact as ISIL is squeezed in Syria and Iraq, we can anticipate it lashing out elsewhere, as we've seen most recently and tragically in countries from Turkey to Brussels. This means that the sense of urgency that we've shown in destroying ISIL in Iraq and Syria also has to infuse our efforts to prevent attacks around the world. We need to do even more to prevent the flow of foreign terrorist fighters.

After the Paris attacks, the United States deployed search teams to Europe to bolster these efforts and we'll be deploying additional teams in the near future. We all have a role to play. We're all going to have to do more when it comes to intelligence sharing. We simply cannot afford to have critical intelligence not being shared as need, whether between governments or within governments and today is a way to explore ways to step up those efforts.

Looking around this room I see nations that represent the overwhelming majority of humanity, from different regions, races, religions, cultures, but our people do share common aspirations to live in security and peace and to be free from fear.