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Study: One-Fifth Of Adults Expected To Be Obese By 2025; Obama Speaks On Nuclear Terrorism Risk; Dozens Of Leaders Meet For Nuclear Security Summit; Tracking BMI Over The Years; Families Mourn Kolkata Bridge Collapse Victims; Source: Cellebrite Helped FBI Crack iPhone. Aired 3-3:30p ET

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JONATHAN MANN, CNN GUEST HOST: I'm Jonathan Mann live from the CNN center. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW."

Thanks for joining us. We begin with a global epidemic that's only getting worse, obesity. In less than 10 years, one in every five adults in the

world, one in every five will be obese. That's what a new study published in the Lance Medical Journal is warning. CNN's Kelly Morgan has details.


KELLY MORGAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As a population, we are growing, and not just in numbers. We are, according to a new study, fatter

than ever.

MAJID EZZATI, IMPERIAL COLLEGE LONDON: And in the last decade or so, switched to be more obese people.

MORGAN: The study is the biggest of its kind and looked at body mass index of 19.2 million people in the 186 countries over the past 40 years,

creating a unique global picture. It found that in 1975, there were 105 million obese men and women. That figure now stands at 641 million.

Broken down, almost 11 percent of men in the world are obese. That's a threefold increase over four decades. And, there are even more obese

women, almost 15 percent of the female population. And the picture is expected to get a lot worse.

(on camera): The World Health Organization and United Nations set a target back in 2011 to reverse the growing rate of obesity by the year 2025. This

study says that's just not going to happen. That actually by then, one in five people in the world will be clinically obese.

(voice-over): It's an epidemic British Health Campaign, Tam Fry says could have been avoided.

TAM FRY, U.K. NATIONAL OBESITY FORUM: This far beyond the crisis. The crisis actually was back in 2003 and 2004, and we've just -- by failing to

do anything positive, we have let this crisis develop into what is a tragedy.

MORGAN: It's the wider health and economic repercussions he's worried about. The links that obesity has to illnesses such as diabetes,

cardiovascular disease and cancer. All potential killers, all an increasing strain on the public perks.

Experts blame faster more urban lifestyles and the proliferation of convenience foods, which contain high amounts of sugar or some countries

started introducing taxes, the study says a global problem requires a global response.

EZZATI: It's a hard battle, but it's a battle that is costing, that is influencing people's health and it's especially influencing the health of

people who can least afford it.

MORGAN: The WHO hasn't given up the 2025 goal, but it's calling for all member states to be more aggressive in the fight. Kelly Morgan, CNN,



MANN: We'll tell you more about how this is going to affect the world and you coming up later in the program.

Meantime, a look at another very big problem for the planet. World leaders gathered in Washington as we speak at a Nuclear Security Summit organized

by U.S. President Barack Obama.

But it's the comments of someone who wants to be the next U.S. president that have a lot of people worried. Donald Trump suggested that the U.S.

military could be withdrawn from Japan and South Korea with nuclear weapons replacing them.

That provoked stuns reactions and a strong backlash from both countries. President Obama also touched on another big worry of the summit, the fear

of terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: There is no doubt that if these madmen ever got their hands on a nuclear bomb or nuclear

material, they most certainly will use it to kill as many innocent people as possible, and that's why our work here remains so critical. The single

most effective defense against nuclear terrorism is fully securing this material so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands in the first place.


MANN: Speaking at that summit, President Obama warned that the world cannot be complaisant when it comes to nuclear safety as the threat of

nuclear terrorism evolves.

Alexandra Field reports from Brussels on whether the attackers there and in Paris were looking at getting their hands on radioactive materials and if

that would be feasible.


[15:05:09]ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the path of devastation, depth, left behind by Brussels bombers and brothers.

They attack the airport and the metro. But had they considered can even more? Did the brothers have nuclear ambitions? Did they intend to build a

dirty bomb?

(on camera): Those are the kinds of questions that investigators are asking after recovering video from a safe house connected to the terror

cell that carried out the attacks in Paris and Brussels.

A senior Belgian counterterrorism official tells us the video shows ten hours of worth of surveillance on the home of a nuclear researcher, at

times you can see him and his family going into and out of the house.

Analysts suggest that the video might point to some kind of plot to kidnap the official in order to gain access to radioactive material.

CLAUDE MONIQUET, EUROPEAN STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY CENTER: It's absolutely bad. It was kind of (inaudible) in their brain, in their heads.

FIELD: The fact that this video was even made, how alarming is that to you?

MONIQUET: It is alarming, very alarming for the person who supported by the terrorists and that's for the nuclear industry.

FIELD: Could a terrorist realistically carry out an attack by kidnapping one employee?

NOLA SCHEERLINCK, BELGIUM'S FEDERAL AGENCY FOR NUCLEAR CONTROL: No, I don't, you could kidnap that person, but that doesn't mean -- it's not that

simple that you can just hold a gun to a person's head and force your way into a nuclear facility. There's multiple barriers, identity checks,

physical barriers that prevents someone from getting in, in that kind of way so I don't think that's very realistic.

FIELD (voice-over): In 2014, someone inside the nuclear power reactor in Belgium sabotaged a non-nuclear part of that plant. Also that year, a

terrorist opened fire on a Jewish museum in Brussels.

After those incidents, security around Belgium's nuclear facility was stepped up, according to Belgian's Federal Agency for Nuclear Control,

following the Paris attacks, armed guards were assigned to protect the facilities in line with practices at other nuclear power plants in Europe.

And in the days after the Brussels bombings, four employees had access to various facilities taken away, part of a policy of constant monitoring.

Some of the measures recognized in a recent report from Harvard's Kennedy School says Belgium has made some of the most substantial nuclear security

improvements in the world.

The country had been criticized for failing to strengthen nuclear security sooner.

ROBERT DOWNES, KING'S COLLEGE LONDON: No one is suggesting that Belgium's nuclear security is compromised or that there's a set of new threats here

that Belgium can't cope with. Really, though, the question is whether nuclear security in Belgium is as good as it could be.

FIELD: Investigators might never know whether the (inaudible) brothers intended to build a dirty bomb or what methods of destruction they may have

considered. Only the damage left behind. In Brussels, Alexandra Field, CNN.


MANN: All right, keep that question in mind, is nuclear security as good as it could be? Let's go to Washington, White House correspondent,

Michelle Kosinski is at the Nuclear Security Summit.

It's been what, eight years, four meetings that have been held to consider this problem, are people there reassured by the progress they've made or

daunted as I think many people still are the threats that may be out there?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well, they really want to highlight the progress and you talk to analysts who are outside of

this meeting, and they say that there has been real progress.

I mean, countries have removed their stockpiles of highly enriched uranium completely. In fact just today, there were announcements surrounding the

removals from a number of countries including Japan.

In that case, we're talking a half ton of highly enriched uranium and plutonium, and that's the biggest such removal in history. Nations have

made pacts to increase security, better monitor the radiological and nuclear material that they have within their borders. So that is real


Now that said, for the most part, we're talking about pretty high level material here. I mean, the kind that would be used to make an improvised

nuclear bomb. It's highly uncertain whether ISIS has the capability to do that.

So what some analysts see is the bigger risk of getting their hands on the lower level of radiological stuff, that's in hospitals, thousands of sites

around the world. Some of it very much insecure.

Things to treat cancer, things that have industry applications, and we know that ISIS has the desire to do that. The question is, how to increase

security in all of those places? Not all of which are government, of course.

There's civilian uses. So at this summit as well, there are lots of meetings going on to try to boost that kind of security within all of these


Now, I guess on the downside, it doesn't cover every country in the world by any means, it's not going to overnight increase security at places like

remote hospitals that are still treating cancer with radiological material that could potentially be dangerous.

[15:10:10] But when you look at this as a whole, you say OK, at least there's a sense of urgency. There are real and practical efforts being

made, and there is some progress -- Jonathan.

MANN: I want to ask you about the sense of urgency and whether it's everywhere because some American experts say that Russia may have nuclear

sites than any other country in the world. They think that Iran's nuclear power plants may be more vulnerable to sabotage than anywhere else in the


And the presidents of Russia, Iran, aren't at this summit. How many countries are just not cooperating and how dangerous does that make the


KOSINSKI: That is a problem. I mean, there are obviously a lot of questions here. There are so many gray areas, but the perspective of the

U.S. government is you have to start where you can, you have to do what you can, get as many governments on board as possible.

And you know, Russia has come up many, many times because it's one of those countries that cooperates in some ways, but in other ways, completely

flouts international rules. So the U.S. said they still have real cooperation with Russia on nuclear issues, they are not showing up for


It's more of a kind of public snub because of tensions they have with the U.S. and other countries especially on the subject of Ukraine, not

necessarily on these nuclear issues. But the risks that still exist there, that still exist in other areas.

Again, there are a lot of unknowns, and these nations that are working together and are agreeing to rules to make things even better. Can

basically do what they can and the rest is still going to be a work in progress very much so -- Jonathan.

MANN: Michelle Kosinski at the Nuclear Security Summit. Thanks so much.

Later this hour, we'll go back to the nuclear summit in Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama scheduled to say remarks at a special session on the

threat posed by ISIS. We'll bring that to you live as soon as it gets under way.

Let's return now to our top story this hour, that alarming new study that predicts that one in every five adults in the world will be obese within

the next decade.

The study's senior author says, to more bike lanes and some more blood pressure medication won't cut it. The world needs coordinated initiatives.

One woman trying to establish some of those of Chessa Lutter, regional advisor for Food and Nutrition to the Pan-American Health Organization,

joining us live from Washington. Thanks so much for being with us.

I want to ask you this question very basically and in all seriousness, people hearing about this are going to think, OK, more chubby around than

there used to be, how much of a problem is this really going to be?

CHESSA LUTTER, SENIOR ADVISOR, FOOD AND NUTRITION AT PAHO: It's an enormous problem. I think it was clear from the article that came out and

has been released in many press releases. It's huge epidemic because overweight and obese people have a much higher risk of diabetes,

hypertension, these are killer diseases.

These are killer diseases, and we absolutely, particularly in low and middle income countries, we cannot treat our way out of this. We cannot

exercise our way out of this, and it's very much also for high end countries, the U.S. and European countries.

MANN: Let me ask you about low and middle income countries, because there's a historic break with all of human history, it would seem, because

when you look back over the millennial, obviously hunger was entirely normal for most people over most centuries, starvation was a constant

threat in much of the planet. Is this -- well, are we seeing ourselves? Are we seeing humanity of victims as its own progress and success?

LUTTER: What has happened is obviously when there was hunger and famine, we have jeans that could help store food to tie us over. And those

survival of the fittest, those who are making it today and alive today have genes that help them do that.

Now we're in an area of absolute abundance in low and middle income countries with fewer exceptions, clearly and high end countries, and so, we

still will have those genes to have overweight and obesity exits energy to tie us over.

And so it's a real progression, and it's a serious problem in terms of the food environment that we face today whether there's more and more and more

high energy, high salt, very sweet foods.

And we're just to the getting enough of the really healthy foods, fruits and vegetables, water instead of sodas, and so it's a change in our whole

food environment. Not so much a change in our genetic predispositions to store extra energy.

MANN: Now I'm going to ask you to bear with us as we look at how things have changed over the years around the planet. We have a map that reflects

the statistics from 1975, countries highlighted in darker orange, have the highest average BMI or body mass index among men.

You can see obviously the United States was there, Russia is there, Australia, topping the scales back then, moving forward to 2014, and it's a

different picture, China, Saudi Arabia, and Brazil have gotten heavier.

[15:15:04]North America maintains its high levels of obesity with Canada catching up to the United States. Now the one that really jumps out at me,

Dr. Lutter, is China. They're getting obese in China. How do you explain that?

LUTTER: I think we all grew up with a perception, I know that I grew up with that perception, when I would have dinner my parents would say, clean

your plate because there's starving children in China. We learned growing up about famines, very starving children.

But again, China has economically advanced very, very quickly. They've had a one child policy. And so, in fact, the public perception has yet to

change what the reality of what we're seeing in public health and nutrition.

And so, I think that's why people are so surprised, but in fact, it's been a progression, and it's explained again by the food environment in which we

live. Less physical activity, but more and more access to unhealthy foods and less and less access to the healthy foods.

MANN: So at a global scale, what's the solution? And how quickly could anyone think of solving this problem?

LUTTER: I think that's very well pointed out in the article, we need a global solution. We need to change the environment in which we live and

which we make our choices about what we eat and how we move.

So for example, in Latin America and the Caribbean, the region Pan-American Health Organization that I represent, regional office of the World Health

Organization. Countries such as Peru, Chile, Mexico, have imposed very new proactive regulation and legislation to change the food environment.

For example, Mexico passed a very significant tax on sodas, what we call sugar sweetened beverages, and junk food. OK, and that has already shown

in effect in declining sales of these sodas and increasing water consumption which is again, much healthier for the population.

Chile has very new, very interesting, what we call front of package labeling which shows on the very front of the package, those foods that are

high in salt, sugar, and fat.

MANN: I guess the secret here is governments are going to help us, have to help us tighten our belts. Dr. Chessa Lutter of the Pan-American Health

Organization. Thanks so much for talking with us.

LUTTER: Thank you very much.

MANN: Let me ask you this, are you obese? Grab a pencil and we can tell you what the experts would say, body mass index, BMI, can draw the fine

line between overweight and obese.

So here we go, divide your weight in kilos by your height in meters, take that number and divide it again by your height to get your BMI. Here's the

crucial thing, if it's 30 or more, I've got some bad news for you.

Let's look at an example for a person who's 5'9", or 1.75 meters. If that person weighs 77 to 90 kilos, they're considered overweight, 90 kilos to

122 kilos, officially obese. Over 122 kilos, that's very obese and there are health implications.

Still to come tonight, attempted murder and criminal conspiracy, some of the charges brought against the Indian construction firm linked to the

deadly bridge collapse in Kolkata. More on that next.

And later, a look at the Israeli cyber security company believed to be behind the FBI's iPhone hack. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.



MANN: Welcome back. Embattled South African president, Jacob Zuma, has vowed to abide by the court ruling that he broke the law by using state

funds to renovate his private home lavishly.

On Thursday, the country's highest court found he had violated the constitution and ordered him to pay back some of the millions of dollars he

spent on questionable upgrades.

In a televised address to the nation Friday, Mr. Zuma called the ruling ground breaking and said he respects it without reservation.


JACOB ZUMA, SOUTH AFRICAN PRESIDENT: I respect the judgment and will abide by it. I have consistently stated that I would pay an amount towards the

upgrades, once this had been determined by the correct authority.


MANN: The upgrades included a pool and amphitheater and a chicken coop.

The construction company linked to the deadly overpass collapse in Kolkata, India now faces criminal charges. Police say the charges included

attempted murder and criminal conspiracy.

Twelve people from the company are being questioned by police. At least 24 people were killed when the overpass came crashing down Thursday. CNN's

Sumnima Udas has been speaking with the families of victims and has this report.


SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Despaired and mourning, (inaudible) were on a hand pulled (inaudible) headed to a nearby hospital

to visit an ailing relative when the chunk of concrete and metal came crashing down.

In seconds, their lives ended. While at home, the world turned upside down for their two sons. Their shaved heads a sign of grieving in Hindu

families. The 25-year-old had to identify his parent's bodies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were not in the position to see the bodies. I had to break the news.

UDAS: The father was a sole breadwinner, running a timber trading business. He was the only son.

We didn't hear from them for hours. We couldn't get in touch with them, and then we hear heard the overpass collapse, I just went cold, she says.

After a frantic four hours of searching, calling, hoping, and praying, she found out what happened. There's no limit to hardship and sorrow in life,

sometimes it's happiness, other times it's all darkness. My heart bleeds with pain. He was my only son, she says.

In the neighborhood, across the country, people want to know how it happened. Who is accountable? But here, there's no anger.

Who can we blame? We don't blame anyone, we blame our faith. They are still in a state of shock, aware of what's happened, but enable to make

sense of it. Sumnima Udas, CNN, Kolkata, India.


MANN: And this is what's happening in the business world right now. A look at the Dow Jones Industrials up once again. Seven week rally easing

into the weekend. Wall Street, slightly higher across the board Friday after investors saw some new numbers from the labor market. We'll have

more in a moment.

You could see the broader markets up a notch as well. Let's look at European indexes, European investors weren't as impressed by U.S. job

numbers. In fact, they were more impressed by falling oil prices, those brought down oil shares about half a percent. The DAX, CAC and the SMI,

all down roughly a percent and a half.

U.S. posted a solid jobs report for March in the face of global economic instability. We mentioned that a moment ago. Have a look at the latest

numbers, U.S. economy adding a healthy 215,000 jobs last month, that is above expectations, oddly though, unemployment rose by a bit.

[15:25:03]It now stands at 5 percent, and let's say that could be a sign that the long-term unemployed are re-entering the labor market. Wages are

up 2.3 percent compared to a year ago. That is not as impressive, wage growth started to pick up as much as 2 percent last year, only to lose a

bit of momentum.

In other business news, it's believed an Israeli company is the mysterious outside party enlisted by the FBI to break into the iPhone of the San

Bernardino terrorist. Source tells CNN Money that engineers at cyber security firm, Cellebrite, are behind the hacking. The company, though, is

staying silent. CNN's Oren Liebermann reports.


OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Four months after the San Bernardino terrorist attack, the iPhone 5C, one of the shooter's remains a

critical, but inaccessible piece of evidence.

An ugly legal battle between the FBI and Apple suddenly ended when the FBI found a different way to get into the iPhone. An Israeli newspaper citing

industry sources said the company that did the work was called Cellebrite.

(on camera): Cellebrite's offices are here behind me in this high tech park just outside of Tel Aviv. Neither the FBI nor Cellebrite will comment

on the company's involvement.

But Cellebrite specializes in mobile device data extraction and decryption, phone hacking, and that's exactly what the FBI needed in this case.

(voice-over): We reached out to Cellebrite and the FBI repeatedly. Cellebrite didn't return our calls and the FBI wouldn't comment about the


The FBI has said only that they used a quote, "outside company," but the FBI signed a $200,000 contract with Cellebrite the same day the FBI

announced it had gained access to the content in the shooters phone.

Shares of Cellebrite's parent company soared. At a tech conference in 2014, Cellebrite's forensics technical director told CNN about their work.

YUVAL BEN MOSHE, CELLEBRITE: We allow a very deep and detailed access to a lot of information that is on the mobile device, and then it allows them to

deduct who did what when, which is the essence of any investigation when you look at it.

LIEBERMANN: Cellebrite's technology isn't just a hack on an iPhone, critics says it's a hack on privacy. He says, his company has been

challenged in court.

BEN MOSHE: We've got to make sure that whatever you're bringing into court can stand there and stand any cross-examination. There are very, very

strict rules and guidelines with most of the countries, and we meet them. We meet those to the best of our knowledge.

LIEBERMANN: To learn more about mobile device security, we meet Michael Shaulov, he is a mobile technology expert at Check Point, an Israeli cyber

security firm.

(on camera): What are the weak points of an iPhone or any other mobile device that you can access the phone through?

MICHAEL SHAULOV, CHECK POINT SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGIES: When you connect the cable to the phone, and then you can abuse all kind of protocols that the

iPhone can communicate with the laptops and then using, by hijacking or manipulating those protocols, you can actually unlock the phone.

LIEBERMANN: If I hand you my iPhone, how long will it take you to hack this iPhone?

SHAULOV: It will probably take me to faster to hack in your hands. It's easier to conduct basically to send you something that you will click on

and install something on your phone rather than I would try to guess or break your passcode.

LIEBERMANN (voice-over): This is the flip side of the start-up nation, innovation used to build security now used to exploit vulnerabilities.

It Cellebrite the company behind the U.S. government's iPhone hack? They will not say. But notably, the company that signed the FBI contract, and

was enthusiastically touting its technology not long ago has now gone silent. Oren Liebermann, CNN, Tel Aviv.


MANN: Still to come, Hillary Clinton lashes out on the campaign trail.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am so sick, I am so sick of the Sanders' campaign lying about me. I'm sick of it.


MANN: We'll see what's behind her frustration as the race heats up for the Democratic presidential nomination.



MANN: Welcome back, U.S. President Barack Obama says the world can't afford to be complacent when it comes to nuclear security.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He spoke a short time ago at a nuclear safety summit in Washington. World leaders are expected to hold a

special session on nuclear ambitions on groups like ISIS shortly.


MANN: A construction company linked to the deadly overpass collapse in Calcutta India is facing charges of attempted murder and criminal



MANN: Police have brought in 12 people from the company for questioning. At least 24 people were killed when the overpass came crashing down Thursday.


MANN: A delivery driver from London has been convicted of plotting to kill a U.S. airman outside a base in the United Kingdom.


MANN: 25 year old Junead Khan was found guilty of preparing terrorist acts. He was also convicted of planning to join ISIS in Syria along with his

uncle, Shazib Khan.


MANN: A giant German politics and diplomacy, a path finder in Europe's recent history Hans-Dietrich Genscher has died.


MANN: The former German Foreign Minister played a pivotal role in the lead up to the fall of the Berlin wall. Then Genscher oversaw the reunification

of Germany, said to be his ultimate professional goal. Hans-Dietrich Genscher was 89.


MANN: Turning now to the race for the White House, things are heating up between the Democratic candidates as the next key contest is just days


Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are campaigning hard in the state of Wisconsin which holds its primary on Tuesday.


MANN: But they're also spending more and more time in New York, a state with a much bigger delegate prize. Both candidates have deep roots there.

As Jeff Zeleny reports they're digging in for a tough fight.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Now playing in New York. Hillary Clinton --

HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He goes around telling young people he's going to give them free college.

ZELENY: Versus Bernie Sanders.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Secretary Clinton has supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements.

ZELENY: The Democratic rivals dueling on their home turf for a whooping prize of 247 delegates.

SANDERS: I grew up in Brooklyn, New York.

ZELENY: Their fight is also now revolving around that other New Yorker, Donald Trump.

CLINTON: Just yesterday, Donald Trump said women should be punished for having an abortion.

ZELENY: Both Democrats seizing on his comments about how women should be punished for seeking an abortion, he recanted the words, but that did

little to stop the fire storm. Sanders tweeted "your Republican front runner, ladies and gentlemen, shameful." By now the Clinton campaign had

hoped to be focus on Trump and Republicans alone. But at a rally not far from her (inaudible) home, Clinton found herself tangling with Sanders


CLINTON: Oh, I know the Bernie people came to say that.

ZELENY: As Clinton loyalist rally to her aid, she had the last word.

CLINTON: What I regret is they don't want to hear the contrast between my experience, my plans, my vision, what I know I can get done, and what my

opponent is promising.

ZELENY: But as she shook hands, environmental activist clearly got under her skin. As captured this this video posted by Greenpeace and circulated

by the anti-Clinton super pac.

CLINTON: I am so sick of the Sanders campaign lying about me. I'm sick of it.

ZELENY: It's a stark reminder the Democratic primary is also boiling hot. In Wisconsin, which votes Tuesday, Sanders leads Clinton by four percentage

points. Here in New York, Clinton holds a 12 point lead, but she's not resting easy. Even dispatching former president Bill Clinton to union halls

across New York City. Before a nighttime rally in the Bronx, Sanders stopped in Pittsburgh.


SANDERS: What an extraordinary turnout.

ZELENY: He lashed out at Clinton's support for trade agreements and ties to Wall Street.

SANDERS: I just don't know why Wall Street has not invited me to speak before them. You know I've got my cell phone on, I'm waiting for the call.

ZELENY: Of course Wall Street and income inequality, two of the issues that are central to this Democratic primary fight and certainly here in New


Now one of the questions that's been asked about the Sanders candidacy is can he attract a diverse set of voters?

Well at this rally behind me here in the Bronx, you can tell it is one of the most diverse rallies we've seen. So for tonight at least, the answers

is yes. The Sanders campaign believes that going forward the states play well to their strengths. They can attract a diverse set of voters so that's

why the New York primary on April 19th is so important to how long this democratic race will go.

Jeff Zeleny, CNN, New York.


MANN: And CNN political analyst, Josh Rogin joins us now from Washington. Thanks so much for being with us. This was such a polite campaign for so

long, is something changing?

JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well we see in Hillary Clinton's words a bit of frustration with the increased attacks from the Sanders' campaign,

the latest spat was regarding Sanders' accusation that the Clinton campaign is funded by oil money.


ROGIN: Clintons' response that she's sick of the lying, seemed like a stronger response than she usually makes. The facts are that while the

Clinton campaign has only got, $300,000 from actual employees of oil companies, lobbyists have bundled about a million and a half dollars and

also given about $3 million to her super pac. So it's a kind of more complicated issue than either side is explaining.

What we see is sort of an increased push on both sides with the realization that these next contests, including Wisconsin, New York, and then the week

after in Pennsylvania, Maryland, are going to be the times when either Sanders will make his final push and achieve parody in delegates or Clinton

will pull away in essence clinch the nomination.

MANN: Delegates, not so long ago, she had a two to one lead in the delegate count, I think we've got the current count we can share. While we were all

paying attention to Donald Trump, he leads seems to have well, diminished. She's still ahead, but not two to one.

ROGIN: Well that's true. I think she's underperformed and he's over performed and I think there's no one who could really dispute that.


ROGIN: At the same time, unlike on the Republican side, the Democratic side is very heavily influenced by super delegates.


ROGIN: Those delegates are not officially pledged, but all the insiders know that the Clinton campaign has in essence secured almost all of them

through a variety of means and almost all of them will eventually support her. So, her practical lead is actually much more than the current tally


That's not to say that if something drastic happens that couldn't change. I mean the problem here is that the longer Sanders hangs around, the longer

he's able to sort of wait for some sort of big opportunity. And that could be any number of things like another revelation, another scandal, something

in the e-mail controversy. And that's his hope here is to stay close in the hopes that some sort of macro event that's bigger than either of the

campaigns will allow him to sort of take the mantle. That's a long shot, but it's really the only shot he has.


MANN: In the meantime, he is I guess inching his way closer to the state of Wisconsin is on Tuesday. I think it's fair to say most people around the

world go a whole day, a whole week, a whole year, without thinking about Wisconsin, it's famous for cheese and beer mostly.


MANN: How important is it for him to win there? If I suppose they're just going to split the delegates and the muddle will continue.


ROGIN: Right. I mean well Bernie has won five of the last six contests, Clinton won a number of contests before that. So there is a symbolic

momentum here that he is showing. The polls are pretty close, I mean it really could go either way. Wisconsin is sort of seen as a state that's

favorable to Bernie but again because of its sort of very liberal, more, less diverse Democratic primary population.


ROGIN: But, you know, the bottom line here is that New York is now trending heavily towards Hillary Clinton, she's got a double digit lead. And what

the Bernie campaign is doing, is they are pushing for a debate before that New York primary. They think that they can make it up if they have that

debate, the Clinton campaign is very slyly resisting having that debate before the New York campaign.


ROGIN: So you're right, Wisconsin will probably split no matter who wins. And then the big money is really all on New York at this point.

MANN: A mass the delegates Bernie Sanders isn't --

ROGIN: I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?

MANN: (Inaudible - technical difficulties) He isn't going to win this is it, I mean he's working it but it looks like Hillary Clinton is just

putting the delegates -- did.

ROGIN: Yes, I'm having trouble hearing you. But I think what I heard you say is that the odds on favorite is still Hillary Clinton and that's just

the simple fact of the case. I mean, we can say that the Bernie campaign has made a big impact on Hillary Clinton's strategy, her agenda, it's

really changed the sort of conversation about the race in a way that no one really could have anticipated.


ROGIN: But Hillary Clinton has huge institutional advantages, still has somewhat of a money advantage and she's been preparing this super delegate

field for quite a long time. Something drastic would have to happen to stop her with what looks like to be her eventual path to the nomination.

MANN: Josh Rogin, thanks very much.

ROGIN: Thank you.

MANN: It's a political paradox, most Democrats do expect Clinton to be their nominee, and yet, there are few more polarizing names in U.S.


A lawyer who defended the rights of children, a first lady who emersed herself in policy, a political wife who launched her own career when her

husband left office. What's not to like? Well ask Americans, and some will say, plenty.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She doesn't seem very warm, she doesn't seem very genuine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has a lot of baggage, and she doesn't appear honest. People haven't liked her for years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hate to say it's just her personality which is just not a fair thing to say because she's a woman and she comes off as kind of

serious. You hear a lot on the news about her yelling.

MANN: There are impressions that barely scratch the surface of Hillary Clinton's decades if public life, but they are deep seeded and for Clinton,

they are a problem.

Hillary Clinton has been many things, a middle class girl from the north side of Chicago, a Yale scholar, the first lady of Arkansas and then the

First Lady of the United States.

After a tumultuous eight years in the White House, she would go on to serve as Senator for New York. The only First Lady to ever hold the post. And

then, in 2007, she became a candidate for President herself. She has worn many hats and famously many pantsuits, and she is judged for her clothes,

her hair, her marriage, her integrity, and something much more basic, her likability.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Your likable enough.

CLINTON: Thank you so much.

MANN: A CBS New York Times poll found that 52 percent of voters have an unfavorable view of her. Donald Trump perhaps the most polarizing

politician in America today is disliked by only slightly more voters, 57 percent.

There have been questions, scandals, investigations, about a land development deal from her days in Arkansas, known as White Water. About the

deadly attack on a U.S. Diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, when she was Secretary of State. About her decision to handle her government

communications on a private e-mail server. What do all the episodes have in common? No wrong doing was ever proven, but she was never able to wash away

the stain of scandal.

MARGARET HOOVER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: The problem with Hillary Clinton isn't the substance, the problem is the style. The problem is, is she the

person you want to have a beer with?

MANN: And then of course there was Monica Lewinsky, her husband's relationship with a White House intern that nearly brought down his


JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: It's important to remember that Bill Clinton is still one of the most popular living American politicians, but

the downside is those scandals. And to the extent that mentions of Monica Lewinsky dredge up a lot of memories that people would not like to relive.

MANN: There may be something else. Maybe many Americans are just uncomfortable with a woman as successful and fiercely ambitious at Hillary

Clinton. Years ago, she identified the problem.

CLINTON: I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies.

HOOVER: She again has already competed in the Presidential primary eight years ago. She has been the Secretary of State of the United States by the

way, the third female Secretary of State in the United States, so at this point, I don't think it's sexism.


MANN: Supporters insist Clinton is still judged unfairly.

DONNA BRAZILE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: So this will be a big test for the country, and whether or not we're able to look passed all of these

cultural social and media biases and look at the person the individual, their leadership traits and what they bring to the conversation. That's the

big test that she will have to pass.

MANN: Compare her to some of the most important men in her life today. Clinton is not credited with Bernie Sanders' honesty, Donald Trump's

candor, or her husband's magnetism, but she is doggedly working towards the Democratic Presidential nomination. And as she approaches the general

election, she will at some point have to convince Americans that she can be the first female President of the United States, whether they like her or



MANN: Here at CNN, we have got the U.S. Presidential race covered from the candidates' policies to their pratfalls. Join me for Political Mann,

Saturday at 7:00 p.m. if you're watching from London as we take you through the world's wildest, craziest, most expensive exercise in democracy. This

is "The World Right Now," and we'll be right back.



MANN: Welcome back, from Ebola to Zika. Diseases born in the wild have always threatened humans. The bat is a source, but potentially also a

solution. In South Africa, researchers are working to prevent deadly viruses by studying the flying mammal.

David McKenzie gives us a glimpse.

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Hazmat suits and respirators make for a difficult decent. It's much needed protection against what we could

find in the cave below. We're following some of the world's most highly trained virus hunters, in search of disease-carrying bats.

So they have to crawl through the narrow gaps into the different chambers because in each chamber there could be a different type of bat which could

have different viruses.

And in this cave, there are thousands. Each one with the potential to carry rabies, (inaudible) perhaps even Ebola.

This is another male.

Some of the most severe, but least understood viruses.

WANDA MARKOTTER, UNIVERSITY OF PRETORIA: Even with Ebola, there's not a direct link between the human outbreaks from the bats. We see some evidence

in the bats that we see in human outbreaks but we can't say that bat caused the human outbreak.

MCKENZIE: So, so much is still unknown.

MARKOTTER: Yes, so a lot is still unknown.

MCKENZIE: So they study diseases here in bat populations before the potential human outbreaks.

MARKOTTER: Otherwise you just react when there's already a lot of people dead like we did in the Ebola outbreaks.

MCKENZIE: So if you just react, it's often too late.

MARKOTTER: Yes, and you respond to that. So this is an adult --

MCKENZIE: This is in some remote cave outside just miles away, Johannesburg, a city of four million. So close to human habitation, this

type of monitoring and prevention is critical.

JT PAWESKA, NICD: (Inaudible) we work in the most dangerous (inaudible) known to humans.

MCKENZIE: Disease detection that exists, thanks to this, a fully enclosed, pressurized safety lab, the only one of its kind in Africa. Where the

highest level of precaution must be taken, researchers train for a year just to step inside. Here, they aren't surprised that the recent outbreak

of Zika, a virus once thought to be remote and isolated.

NANCY KNIGHT, COUNTRY DIRECTOR, CDC: We have a global world, so these emerging viruses, while we may find them here in Africa, they may impact

the populations here, the people here or the animals here, and they may impact populations in other countries.

MCKENZIE: Outside the cave, blood and saliva samples are taken and the bats are marked before being released back into an environment that seems

increasingly primed for outbreaks.

David McKenzie, CNN, (inaudible) Cave, South Africa.




MANN: Welcome back. Players from the U.S. Women's soccer team are taking a stand. They say they're being discriminated against because they're paid so

much less than their male counterparts.


MANN: The team, which won last year's world cup you may recall, has actually filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity

Commission, the U.S. Agency that enforces equal pay law.

Let's get more on this, CNN World Sport Patrick Snell joins us now in the studio.


MANN: And you know this is the kind of thing industrial workers have to do to get a fair shake, not some of the best athletes in the world, but let's

start at the beginning, who's drawing this complaint, what are they saying, and why?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT CORRESPONDENT: Yes. This is a really interesting one. We're watching it carefully indeed John over the coming

weeks. Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd, and Hope Solo are among the five very high profile U.S. Women's International soccer stars.


SNELL: You know, they're reigning world champions and they feel they have a legitimate case. In some cases paid substantially less, up to four times

according to some reports less than their male counterparts. And what they point to is their huge success on the international stage and the shall we

say lack of success amongst their male counterparts as well.

You take for example, the Olympic Games. You've got the 2016 Olympics coming up this year in the Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro. The U.S.

Women's team are looking to win their fourth straight Olympic Gold, what would be their fifth Olympic Gold in total if they're successful.

While the men, the U.S. Men haven't qualified for three out of the last four now. So you can see just a little bit of flavor there as to the gripe,

the extent of what's really got them going. And of course, players past and present are having their say on this, no question about that, including one

very high profile former USA international goal keeper.

BRIANA SCURRY, FORMER U.S. WOMENS GOALKEEPER: There is no question that the women should be paid equally as men, if not more so based on performance

alone. So the argument has always been in the past about the revenues, the revenues, well guess what, the argument for revenues is now, no longer

valid. And it never has been in my opinion because when you don't prime the pump with development dollars, you can't really expect revenues to come out

of the well.

And so, now I think the women have been able to prove that they are revenue-generating component of U.S. Soccer, they've got sponsorship

dollars, they deserve their, their employment dollars because they are in fact performing. And they always have.


SNELL: Yes, this is one great debate, no question about it. And it's going to run, run, and run, and emotions very high indeed, John.

MANN: Now, U.S. soccer, they employers say it's doing right by the women, why do the women on the team feel like they have such a strong case.

SNELL: They do have a strong case and they have the numbers they say to back it up and we're going to show that to you.


SNELL: These numbers in particular make a really, really strong read. Now you look at the men's team for example, they earned $9 million from the

2014 World Cup, that was for actually going out of the tournament in the round of 16. While the women, who actually won the World Cup last year in

Canada, made just $2 million for that.


SNELL: So you can see, exactly that just sort of typifies it just a little bit more. There's a whole bunch of other numbers as well. Remember that

World Cup final I mentioned for the women in Canada, that was the most watched U.S. soccer game in history as well. And you know, it beat out the

equivalent of the U.S. men's team when they played that Portugal match into 2014 World Cup as well.


SNELL: And also, money, it talks. Money is just really at the center of all this. The U.S. Soccer Federation 2015 financial report saying that the

women's team actually generated $20 million more than the men's team as well, but bear in mind, that was the same year that the women did have a

World Cup, that aforementioned one in Canada.


SNELL: But what is U.S. Soccer saying about it all? Well, let's just see, I mean they did express their disappointment over this, but they did go on

top add, John, "that our efforts to be advocates for women's soccer are unwavering, we're committed to and engaged in negotiating a new collective

bargaining agreement that addresses compensation with the women's national team players association to take affect when the current CBA expires at the

end of this year."

Needless to say, as I said at the top, we're watching this one very closely indeed.


MANN: A lot of people cheering for the women in a whole new way. Patrick Snell, thanks very much.

This has been "The World Right Now," thanks for joining us, I'm Jonathan Mann, "Quest Means Business" is next.

I'm Jonathan Mann, we're taking you live to Washington where U.S. President Barack Obama is addressing the Nuclear Security Summit on a terrifying

combination; nuclear weapons and ISIS. Let's listen in.

OBAMA: I'm sure that the commitments and pledges and practices that we have put into place during the course of these nuclear security summits

carry forward. This afternoon's session turns the focus on the terrorist networks themselves. It tells us the possible consequences of terrorists

obtaining and using a weapon of mass destruction. Fortunately, as I said this morning no terrorist group has yet succeeded in getting their hands on

a nuclear device. Our work here will help ensure that we're doing everything possible to prevent that. This is also an opportunity for our

nations to remain united and focused on the most active terrorist network at the moment and that is ISIL.

A majority of the nations here are part of the global coalition against ISIL. A number of our countries have been targeted by ISIL attacks. Just

about all of our nations have seen citizens join ISIL in Syria or Iraq, so this is a threat to us all.

In Syria and Iraq, ISIL continues to lose ground, and that's the good news. Our coalition continues to take out its leaders, including those planning

external terrorist attacks. They are losing their oil infrastructure, they are losing their revenues, moral is suffering, we believe that the flow of

foreign fighters into Syria and Iraq has slowed, even as the threat from foreign fighters returning to commit acts of horrific violence remains all

too real.

In fact, as ISIL is squeezed in Syria and Iraq, we can anticipate it lashing out elsewhere as we've seen recently and tragically in countries

from Turkey to Brussels. This means that the sense of urgency that we've shown in destroying ISIL in Iraq and Syria also has to infuse our efforts

to prevent attacks around the world.

We need to do even more to prevent the flow of terrorist fighters. And for the Paris attacks, the United States deployed surge teams to Europe to

bolster these efforts and we'll be deploying additional teams in the near future. We all have a role to play. We're all going to have to do more when

it comes to intelligence sharing. We simply cannot afford to have critical intelligence not being shared as needed, whether between governments or

within governments, and today is an opportunity to explore ways to step up those efforts.

Looking around this room, I see nations that represent the overwhelming majority of humanity from different regions, races, religions, cultures.

But our people do share common aspirations to live in security and peace and to be free from fear.