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[11:00:10] ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Bursts of gunfire and artillery explosions.


BECKY ANDERSON, HSOT: On the front lines in the fight against ISIS -- CNN's exclusive reporting on the Iraqi army's advance on the road to Mosul.

That's next.

Also ahead tonight, pirates to the rescue? Well, I'll speak to the co-founder of Iceland's Pirate Party about the political storm left behind

by the so-called Panama Papers and how her party is ready to steal the country

into calmer waters. That's coming up.

And expanding Later this hour, we'll break down how WhatsApp's new privacy measures can affect who can or can't read your messages.

ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.

ANDERSON: And just after 7:00 in the evening here in the UAE. Welcome.

Suicide bombers and underground tunnels are just some of the tactics that Iraqi forces are encountering as they prepare for a battle to retake

the city of Mosul from ISIS.

Now, they have retaken several villages on the way, but their hold remains tenuous. CNN's Arwa Damon brings us an exclusive look from the

front lines. And a warning, you may find some of the images in her report disturbing.


ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Bursts of gunfire and artillery explosions: a constant reminder that the enemy, ISIS, is

relentlessly probing for vulnerabilities in the Iraqi army's defenses.

MAJ. GEN. NAJIM AL-JUBUTI, COMMANDER OF MILITARY OPERATIONS (through translator): ISIS, and especially now, we are on the perimeter of what is

their so-called caliphate. They are using waves of suicide bombers backed by fighters.

DAMON; Coalition airstrikes leveled this building ISIS militants had snuck into the night before we arrived. The hillside is strewn with the

bloated bodies of dead ISIS fighters. One of them looks particularly young, a teenager, the Iraqis say.

General Jubuti's men only recently recaptured this village and a handful of others, the first tentative steps in the battle for Mosul,

Iraq's second largest city that humiliatingly fell to ISIS after Iraqi security forces abandoned their positions around two years ago. These are

men retrained, under new command, forces that will repeatedly be put to the test. Will they hold this ground and fight or again flee?

Key, of course, to the equation is U.S. support.

JUBUTI (through translator): For us, we have enough ground forces. The most important thing is to see ongoing U.S. backing with the air

support, advisers and logistical support.

DAMON: But not boots on the ground.

JUBUTI (through translator): It's not an urgent thing for us right now, boots on the ground. We can liberate our lands.

DAMON: ISIS has had plenty of time to fortify defenses in Mosul and here still some 45 kilometers, or 30 miles away from the main battleground.

Deep in one of the hills, a labyrinth.

This is not just a tunnel complex, it's actually a tunnel and sleeping quarters complex that has been dug well underground.

Winding passages that veer off in multiple directions. This one leads to a small opening for oxygen circulation we are told.

And this is just the start of the impending bloody battle to try to liberate Mosul, one that will be a defining chapter in this nation's

history and beyond.


ANDERSON: I'm going to get Arwa for you live in a moment from Iraq. I just, though, want to remind you first what happened in Mosul almost two

years ago. In June 2014, Islamist extremists move towards Mosul with little resistance. The city soon fell to the Islamic State after the Iraqi

army abandoned their positions and fled.

Now it was a pivotal point in the terror group's rapid expansion. It was also a symbol of the inadequacy of the Iraqi military. Since then, the

military has had fresh training and has had some success in curbing the ISIS onslaught.

Let's get you to CNN's Arwa Damon, then, in Irbil for more. Just how embedded is ISIS today in and around Mosul, Arwa?

[11:05:06] ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's had the last two years nearly, Becky, to fully entrench itself. It controls

everything in Mosul. It controls people's livelihoods, it's set up its own rule of law. It is effectively it's own state. And it was in Mosul, also,

just to remind our viewers, where the caliphate itself was declared. And this was something that was hailed by many as being one of the key points

that caused so many to flock to ISIS, that has been one of the key draws for foreign fighters.

Now, speak to individuals from Mosul -- and getting through to them is very difficult -- but they will talk to you about how ISIS is forcibly

implementing its rule of law, about the summary executions that take place to try to terrorize the population, about how individuals are so terrify

of what ISIS will do to them if they do disobey them, that they effectively have nowhere to go, no one to turn to if they even were to try to escape

for the most part, and that has been one of the many concerns that are facing both the Iraqi security forces as well as the coalition as they do

attempt to strategize how to best recapture Iraq's second largest city, given that the vast majority of the civilian population there, Becky, is

still there.

ANDERSON: Arwa Damon is in Irbil for you this evening.

ISIS took control of Mosul's dam in August of 2014, you may remember. There were concerns the terror group potential would use it as a weapon of


However, government forces were able to take back the dam the same month. Despite that, the U.S. warning the dam faces risk of catastrophic

failure. If it were to give way, up to 1.5 million people living along the Tigris River face the highest risk and would probably not survive the

impact of the projected floodway.

The Iraqi government playing down the threat.

And we're going to get you more of Arwa Damon's exclusive reporting from Iraq this week, including a look at how ISIS used families as human

shields, forcing them into homes in the middle of their villages as the Iraqi army advanced. Have a look at this.


DAMON: ISIS put five families into each home in the middle of the village, Abu Isra (ph) recalls. Like many here, he does not want his

identity revealed. He still has loved ones at the mercy of ISIS and has already witnessed and lost too much.


ANDERSON: You can see the whole story Thursday, that's 7:00 p.m. in Abu Dhabi, 4:00 p.m. if you're watching in London. That is only here on

CNN, of course.

Well, it held the promise of reshaping the U.S. presidential race and the Wisconsin primary delivered. Let's take a look at the bottom line for

the Republican candidates first for you. Ted Cruz won big in Tuesday's contest. That makes it a lot harder for the long time front runner Mr.

Donald Trump to win enough delegates to clinch the GOP or Republican nomination, and that means it is looking increasingly likely that

Republicans are headed for what is known as a contested convention this summer.

On the Democrat's side, Bernie Sanders picked up more momentum, if not many more delegates, by defeating Hillary Clinton. He has won the last six

of the seven contests.

So both parties front runners facing a tougher challenge after Wisconsin, but it's important to note that the race is now entering a very

different political landscape as it heads east. Phil Mattingly has more on what Ted Cruz calls a turning point in the Republican race.


PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ted Cruz and his campaign made no secret, they were going all in on Wisconsin. They had an extensive ground

operation, the endorsement of the very popular Republican Governor Scott Walker and a series of conservative talk radio hosts who had been hammering

home a pro-Cruz message for weeks. It was actually an effort that looked a lot like what Cruz's team did in Iowa. And the result was very similar.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary, get ready. Here we come.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ted Cruz pulling off a big win in Wisconsin's Republican primary. The victory for Cruz narrowing

Donald Trump's path to the nomination and moving the party ever closer to a contested convention.

CRUZ: Tonight is a turning point. It is a rallying cry.

MATTINGLY: Cruz's win the most substantial since his defeat of Trump in Iowa.

CRUZ: Three weeks ago the media said Wisconsin was a perfect state for Donald Trump. But the hard-working men and women of Wisconsin stood and

campaigned tirelessly to make sure that tonight was a victory for every American.

[11:10:12] MATTINGLY: Trump now facing a nearly impossible mathematical challenge to amass the 1,237 delegates needed to capture the

nomination. A rough week of political blunders, attack ads, and questions about his ability to be presidential loosening the front- runner's grip as

the presumptive nominee.

Former presidential candidate Lindsey Graham, who reluctantly backed Cruz, tweeting, "Well down, Ted Cruz. Hopefully tonight is the turning

point to deny Donald Trump 1,237 delegates."

In the hours before polls closed, Trump hit the trail hard. It wasn't enough.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You could have a big surprise tonight, folks. Big surprise.

MATTINGLY: Trump's campaign mostly silent after his loss, only releasing a biting statement against the Cruz campaign, saying in part,

"Lying Ted Cruz had the governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him," going on to say,

"Ted Cruz is worse than a puppet. He's a Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump."

Cruz, meanwhile, celebrating his big win.

CRUZ: My wife Heidi.


MATTINGLY: Ensuring she shares the spotlight after Trump retweeted an unflattering photo of her, which he later acknowledged was a mistake.

CRUZ: I may be biased, but isn't she going to make an amazing first lady?

MATTINGLY: The Republican race now moves east. New York, the next big state to come up on a primary schedule. April 19, 95 delegates are at

stake and Trump's advisers are not trying to hold down expectations at all. One adviser telling me they believe they can win

as many as 90 of those 95 delegates, the type of victory that would really kind of seize the momentum back from Ted Cruz. And from there, the map

only gets better for Donald Trump and potentially worse for Ted Cruz. Primaries up and down the east coast, Trump's advisers pointing to that as

kind of the way they are dealing with the Wisconsin result right now.

But, look, no question at all. What Wisconsin does more than anything else is point to the difficulty of anybody reaching that 1,237 delegates

necessary to secure the nomination before the Republican convention in Cleveland. A big night for Ted Cruz, a bigger night for anti-Trump

supporters that are trying to block Donald Trump from that nomination.

Back to you.


ANDERSON: Well, still to come tonight, we're going to see how the race is heating up between the Democratic candidates after Bernie Sanders

scored yet another decisive win. Hillary Clinton will speak to CNN in just a few minutes. We're going to have highlights from that interview just


Before that, let's get you up to date with some of the other stories on our radar this hour. And the Syrian government is trying to rescue this

pilot after Syrian state TV says his plane was shot down by a surface to air missile over Aleppo on Saturday. You are seeing him parachute back to

Earth there just moments after he ejected from his burning jet. Now, a Syrian watch group says the pilot is being held by the al Qaeda-linked al

Nusra Front.

Japan is searching for one of its military aircraft. It says a plane like this took off from Kanoya (ph) air base and seems to have vanished

about 10 kilometers north. Six crew were on board.

And in an exlusive interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, the Belgian prime minister says the terror attacks in Brussels do not make

Belgium a failed state.


CHARLES MICHEL, BELGIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): I'm going to be very clear, in this fight against terrorists, again these

enemies who are hiding, who are more and more professional in their way they communicate everywhere in the world

including in Belgium there are successes and there are failures. We are working with hundreds of investigators. We have been working with them for

the past months. Our intelligence services are mobilized and I think that we do

everything we can do to improve international cooperation within Europe and also beyond Europe.


ANDEROSN: And you can watch the rest of Christiane's exclusive interview with the prime minister on Amanpour. That airs 10:00 p.m. Abu

Dhabi time, 7:00 if you're watching in London. And if you are watching anywhere else, you can work the times out for yourself there.

Turning to new developments now in what is the longest case heard by a jury in British history -- The Hillsborough Stadium disaster. Now the

jury is considering a verdict into the deaths of 96 Liverpool Football fans killed at a match in April of 1989. The jury will have to determine if the

fans were unlawfully killed and if the chief police superintendent was responsible.

World Sport's Don Riddell has reported on this story for years. He's on assignment at The Masters and joins me now live with the details. And

as I said, the longest case heard by a jury in British legal history.

You and I will remember that awful, awful day.

There are a number of questions that jury members are being asked to consider, Don. Break this down for us.


The jury will have an awful lot to consider. They have been hearing evidence for the last two years. It's almost two years to the day since

this inquest began. And I think we need to take our viewers back to 1989 to remember what happened that day and also remember how different football

was in England.

This was before the Premier League. It was the old first division era. And this was a very high profile match on April 15, 1989 between

Liverpool who at the time were the top team in England, and Nottingham Forest.

Now, back in those days, we didn't have all seater stadiums. Many fans used to stand. And they used to stand on the terraces behind the


And at that game, a crush developed behind the Liverpool goalkeeper Bruce Grappala's (ph) goal. And 96 of those fans were crushed and

ultimately suffocated, and hundreds more were injured.

Now two years later, there was an inquest in which, or at which those deaths were ruled accidental. And the families of the victims and the

Liverpool fans have never accepted that. They always felt that there was perhaps something else that they weren't being told. And they have

campaigned tirelessly to find out what happened.

And that eventually led to the accidental death inquest being quashed. And new inquiry ordered. And that's where we are today.

Now, one of the key things they're going to be looking at -- and these jurors are going to be

asked to complete a questionnaire of 14 questions, and they are looking at a number of aspects of that day and where responsibility may lie for the

disaster. And the role of the police force is going to be very key.

At the time, chief superintendent David Duckenfield was in charge of the match. It was his responsibility to care for the fans, ensure their

safety. Clearly this disaster unfolded on his watch.

Now at the time, he said that Liverpool fans kicked in the gate, and swarm of fans had led through to this terracing area creating this

devastatingly fatal crush.

When he gave evidence again about this time last here at this inquest, he told a slightly different story. He admitted that actually he was the

man who gave the command to open that gate, a fateful decision. And so the jurors will be considering the role of the police, but also the role of

David Duckenfield and where his responsibility lies in all of this.

But it's not just the police. I mean, they will be asking. They will be considering the role of the emergency services, could more have been

done to save these 96 football fans.

What about the responsibility of the match planners? The fans themselves, were they in any way to blame? For so long many had believed

that they were responsible because of this narrative that they had turned up late without tickets and were drunk and behaving like hooligans. So,

the role of the fans will be looked at and also, the design of the stadium.

We don't know how long this jury is going to take to consider this verdict. As I say, two years of evidence, the summing up took several

weeks. So it remains to be seen. But this is a very, very important decision, of course, for the families of the victims for Liverpool Football

Club, for football fans in general in the UK and also the country as a whole.

ANDERSON: Don Riddell on the story for you, thanks, Don.

Coming up, not so smooth sailing ahead. A new party could take political control in Iceland in the wake of the so-called Panama Papers

scandal. Next, we speak to one that is gaining support: the Pirate Party.

And hitting a wall? Well, Donald Trump's campaign is run into something lately. It looks like trouble, but the forerunner is especially

unpopular with one group in the U.S. We're going to tell you why, who that is after this.


[11:21:43] ANDERSON: Loud calls for change from protesters in Iceland who have all this week have been demanding that the Prime Minister

Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson quit. That's after documents from the so- called Panama Papers leak seemed to show him and his wife hiding millions of dollars using a secret offshore company.

Well, a day ago it seemed like it seemed like he had resigned, but now he says he's only stepping aside and even then only for a little while what

his office describes as, quote, an unspecified amount of time. That's after his request for a snap election was refused by Iceland's president

who said he needed more time to speak to other leaders before doing that.

Well, if those snap election do go ahead, a Gallup poll shows that the anti-establishment Pirate Party could make strong gains.

This is their website where they seem to be taking their name quite literally.

Well, let's speak to Birgitta Jonsdottir now. She's the co-founder of the Icelandic Pirate Party and is with us via Skype from Reykjavik.

Birgitta, your Twitter feed was full of remarks yesterday about the prime minister resigning. Now it turns out he hasn't, or maybe he has, but

not for long.

What do you want at this point and why?

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR, CO-FOUNDER ICLANDIC PIRATE PARTY: Well, of course, I want him to fully resign. I think that's the only logical

response to the very serious reporting that's been coming out through Panama leaks, or the Panama Papers. He, however, has not been clear about

it. And it's very confusing. Nobody really knows what's going on.

So, I am the party chairman in the parliament and so I just had a meeting with the speaker with the minority and the parliament is demanding

that we get to vote for vote of confidence.

ANDERSON: All right. A new poll, a new Gallup polls shows nearly 4 out of every 5 people in Iceland want him to go. You are clearly making

political capital out of what in the end is essentially Birgitta just a conflict of interest. It's not clear that he would have been enriched in

any way. Is that really enough to force him out?

JONSDOTTIR: Well, according to popular opinion, it is indeed. It is, of course, in context of the financial collapse in Iceland in 2008 where

people wanted to build the society that was based on honesty, transparency and openness.

ANDERSON: ...and his wife, as far as I understand it, say that the shell company that owns these bank shares is perfectly legal. It's

declared to authorities. And it pays its taxes. So, again, what's the real problem here?

JONSDOTTIR: Well, first of all he did not disclose this before the last elections or the elections before. He was working on lifting off the

capital controls in Iceland where him or his wife were one of the claim -- the people with claims in the banks. And so he was hitting at both ends of

the table.

He built his campaign before last elections on getting the voters like he called the people with claims in the banks. So I guess he sees himself

as a vulture or his wife.

[11:25:06] ANDERSON: What does the Pirate Party stand for, Birgitta?

JONSDOTTIR: Well, we stand for democratic reform. We stand for moving our legislation into the 21st Century that deals with the reality of

the digital world we live in. We have been putting a lot of focus on creating a safe haven for information, expression and speech. And of

course digital privacy.

We want the new constitution that the people of Iceland vote to be implemented like was promised in 2012. So, we want the real fundamental

changes in the way we run our country.

ANDERSON: Do you -- very briefly call yourself a poetician as opposed to a politicians. What do you mean by that?

JONSDOTTIR: Well, I am a poet first and a web developer, but I decided I want to be a poet when I was 14. So I was -- I felt, you know,

very many people feel that the word politician is like declaring that you are a leper. So I feel more comfortable calling myself a poetician and I

want to apply creative talk with the work I do in the parliament and think outside the box. And that is one thing that artists are quite good at.

ANDERSON: A politicians who doesn't want to be called or known as a politician. Interesting.

Birgitta, thank you very much indeed for joining us, out of Reykjavik this evening on what is a continuing story on the fallout from these so-

called Panama Papers.

Well, before his loss in Wisconsin, the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump finally laid out how Mexico could pay for his

controversial border wall plan. Our Raphael Romo spoke to some Mexican immigrants in Atlanta. Their reaction to Trump's latest proposal ranged

from anger to disbelief.


RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: If you go to communities across the United States with high concentration of immigrants from Latin America,

you're going to find places like this.

Here in Atlanta, Fiesta Plaza not only shopping center but also a place where immigrants, mainly Mexicans, get together. They shop, they dine

in little restaurants like this one and they do one more thing that is crucial for their families back home, they send money to Mexico.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very important to send money because they are working really hard here and they have most -- most of them, they have

families over there and it's very hard to find jobs in Mexico.

ROMO: Donald Trump's reported plan to force the Mexican government to pay for a border wall by stopping undocumented immigrants from transferring

money to Mexico as you can imagine is cause for great concern for Mexican immigrants, documented or not.

"This is complete foolishness," she says. "He can do it and we will let him. We're going to keep on sending money to our people as we always


According to Mexico Central bank, Mexicans abroad sent nearly $24.8 billion to their country last year, mainly from the United States. This is

more money than Mexico's total oil revenues for 2015, estimated at 23.4 billion.

This is the first time that incoming money transfers are higher than oil revenues since they started taking records in 1995. So, Donald Trump

wants to block money transfers to Mexico to build a wall. What do you think about that?

ROMO: "He only makes me laugh," she says. "I don't agree. I'm proudly Mexicans and don't agree with what this gentlemen wants to do."

"He's crazy," she says. "They should take him to see a psychiatrist. I hope all Hispanics, those who are citizens, go out and vote against him."

These immigrants say no matter what, Mexicans will always find a way to help their families back home.

Rafael Romo, CNN, Atlanta.


ANDERSON: 29 minutes past 7:00 here in the UAE. The latest world news headlines for you just ahead at the bottom of the hour. And I just

sent my colleague Samuel Burke a WhatsApp message, but it's unlike any I have ever sent him before. He's going to explain why up next -- Samuel.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: That's right. It's a huge shift, a seachange like we have never seen before in encryption and in

technology community. We have got all the details coming up, Becky.



[11:33:30] ANDERSON: The instant messaging service WhatsApp is now encrypting all communications across all of its services for its more than

1 billion users. Text messages, file transfers and voice calls are all protected so they can't be accessed by anyone

except who they are sent to.

Well, CNN Money's Samuel Burke is back with us live from New York to break down what all of this means.

Samuel, I sent you a WhatsApp message before the break because of these changes. That clearly is now just between the two of us. But the

moves come after a bitter legal fight, don't they, between the FBI and Apple. Is this because of that?

BURKE: This isn't directly because of that. WhatsApp has been talking about this huge change, it really is monumental, for a long time.

But what we're seeing is the tech community coming together in solidarity, maybe pushing up deadlines in some companies because also it's not just

about coming together, it's also about competing and competing for market and for brand loyalty as well.

But what's important here, Becky, is that this is end to end encryption. That means even though the message that you just sent me from

the Middle East to here in New York it went through the WhatsApp servers, only you and I have the keys, the sender and the receiver. So even if

someone intercepted that message on the WhatsApp servers, all they would see just a bunch of code, only you and I can unlock it and see those


ANDERSON: Is this going to set some sort of precedent, do you think? Tech companies going to follow this example?

[11:35:03] BURKE: I think so, but I think more importantly it's going to become harder and harder for the authorities and for governments to

fight this if it's at every level, at every single tech company, and I think that's one of the reasons that these tech companies want to do it.

They don't want to help just the United States, because then China might come knocking at the door, some other government. So what they want to do

is say, look, even if you want us to access this, we don't have the keys, which is true. Even if a judge comes with an order to WhatsApp now

that message that you sent me is between you and me and not any other government or technology company.

ANDERSON: So is it possible at all to defeat a mechanism like this? For example, in this region?

BURKE: a lot of people called this perfect privacy.

Now I wouldn't go that far because I have learned over and over again covering tech, however high somebody builds a wall somebody always figures

out a way to climb over it.

But I would call this as perfect privacy as possible. For now, this is the highest standard there is, end-to-end encryption. So I don't think

anywhere where you are in the world, whether you're in the Middle East, whether you have a government you like or don't like, I think it's going to

be very, very hard, maybe not impossible, as we saw with the iPhone, a company was able to come in and hack it, but this sets the bar incredibly

high, Becky.

ANDERSON: Samuel Burke in New York for you. Thank you, Sam.

OK, let's get you back to the race for the White House. And Democrat candidate Bernie Sanders, no doubt, has momentum on his side after his win

in Wisconsin Tuesday. But Hillary Clinton still has the delegate math on hers.

She is in a much better position to secure the number of delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination, but that calculation relies on the

support of what are known as super delegates. They can vote however they want at the party's convention later in the year.

And Sanders now pressuring them to switch sides.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny is in New York. The next critical battleground where we expect to see nothing less than a

verbal brawl in Brooklyn, sir.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No doubt about it, Becky. I mean, New York always has rough and tumble politics, but this year in it this

primary, both sides are bracing for exactly that.

So, what the Clinton campaign is really trying to do is raise some questions about the abilities of Bernie Sanders to do the job, the

qualifications for him. If he's actually fully thought this through or if he's just sort of on a campaign to tap into all this anger that is out

there in the American electorate.

But this is going to be a competitive race in New York simply because Bernie Sanders keeps winning. He has won 6 of the last 7 states, including

last night in the state of Wisconsin. And he won it by 14 percentage points.

Now it's only a smaller number of delegates. This must seem very confusing to viewers here, but these races are done by delegates, so that's

why she's leading in the math.

But I can tell you the spirit and the energy is on Bernie Sanders' side, that's why he needs to keep winning and winning bigger and she needs

to finally defeat him, which will extinguish all this talk about super delegates.

ANDERSON: And you're right, Jeff. There will be many viewers who possibly still confused by the machinations of U.S. politics. Some of us

who work in the business of covering U.S. politics can be confused by it.

What I think a lot of people are also confused about when we're watching from the outside

looking in and you're right to point this out with Bernie Sanders is that very few of these delegates,

very few of these candidates have had any of their arguments really picked apart of late during this campaign.

When should we expect that deep dive when we see these candidates and their arguments properly picked apart? And they are made to stand or at

least be accountable for what they are saying.

I think it's an ongoing process here. I mean, look, the elections here in the United States are so, so long, Becky. So it doesn't happen at

one certain time or date. But your proposals in policies are picked apart as you go on down the line. And it comes in debates, including yet another

Democratic debate next week on CNN. It comes through a news reporting in other interviews. It comes through just a general hard questions from


But, you know, the -- there's so much of a mood of the electorate that is driving this campaign this year. The personalities of the candidates

certainly on the Donald Trump side. And even on the Bernie Sanders side are exciting voters here.

So I don't think there's any one moment where there's a sort of deep dive, but we get revealing sort of tidbits and nuggets all along the way,

and Bernie Sanders has not been able to really explain how he would break up the big banks. So, the Clinton campaign has seized upon that.

She has a 10 point plan for virtually everything. Voters aren't necessarily that interested in a 10-point plan, they are interested in sort

of how candidates make them feel. So that's one of the reasons that she has had a very difficult time sort of closing up this nominating


Bernie Sanders makes voters feel better. They like what he's saying about the workers are being treated not as fairly, the income inequality,

et cetera. So, that's why this campaign is not quite ending yet, because Bernie Sanders is tapping into basically the reverse of what Donald Trump


[11:40:48] ANDERSON: Fascinating.

No done deals as of yet. All right, Jeff, a pleasure.

Both Clinton and Donald Trump are heading into more favorable territory as this race now moves east.

For more on the primaries ahead and how the political landscape is shifting, use the website. You are going to find that story and a lot more

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Well, one of two competing governments in Libya says it is stepping down to stop further bloodshed. The move comes less than a week after a

United Nations-backed national unity government arrived in Tripoli.

Now Libya has been ruled by two rival governments, as I'm sure you are well aware, since 2014. Western nations hope the new unity government will

bring back some stability to what is this war torn country.

Well, this is a story that Nick Paton Walsh, my colleague, has been reporting on for years. And he's been following developments in Libya from

Beirut, Lebanon this time for you.

Nick, hoping the operative word here. But -- and western nations may be hoping that this UN.-backed government will sort things out effectively

in Tripoli.

What is the average Libyan telling you? Are they happy? Are they hopeful?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is the most hopeful moment I think we have seen in entering the political chaos inside

of Libya.

Remember this UN-backed government that's come into Tripoli is effectively the third one to claim they can run Libya.

Now winding back a few months ago, we literally had the one in the east, which used to claim international legitimacy and the one that's in

the capital of Tripoli. Now it's the one in the capital of Tripoli that last night put a Facebook page statement up saying, okay, we're stopping

business. And on the ground, Libyans are saying actually, yes, we have seen them leave their ministries. They appear to be withdrawing from the

act of governing.

Now, that's important because that happened after intense international pressure. The west, the EU, getting behind a man called Faiz

Saraj (ph) who heads, and headed in Tunisia originally this new UN-backed government.

They couldn't come into the country at first, but they used boats after their air passage was blocked to arrive recently inTripoli and began

basically trying to do the business of government. And it appears that internal pressure and pressure from the EU on the outside, sanctions levied

against key people in the government in Tripoli that's just decided to stop business and pack up, that seems to have led them to step away.

That's a key moment. We still have a dispute between them and the government in the east who are divided about whether to support them or

not, but it could be edging towards just one government running the country for the first time in years, Becky.

ANDERSON: I'm interested to hear you sounding, or at least reflecting the fact that people

are sounding relatively hopeful for the first time in some time, because This doesn't change the fact

that on the ground groups, militia, ISIS we know these days with an expanding footprint, it's is a mess, isn't it?

WALSH: It's a complete disaster after 2011's intervention and the fall of Moammar Gadhafi, absolutely.

Now, the issue, of course, is twofold. The life of ordinary Libyans, which is suffering massively from these wars between militias, the failure

of both governments to get a full grip on the country and the financial sanctions and restraints that have led to a drop in government budgets and the deficit that's done to the normal economy of


And then of course to the outside world, well this has let ISIS grow increasingly strong, gain more and more territory inside of Libya.

What's so important about a potential of government taking control in Libya, one single government is that the west and the EU have said unless

that happens, they're not going to throw their full weight behind Libya in assisting in the anti-ISIS campaign. That

campaign has to get underway urgently. It involves the potential for the migrant problem to increase. Many migrants having left Libya for European

shores, the threats against Libya's oil industry and what ISIS could do if it got hold of that multi-billion dollar industry in full to some degree.

The campaign has to start fast.

It couldn't without a singular government and it might just be that overnight we saw the first real moves for that to to potentially happen.

All very complex, but, ostensibly European security depends upon whether or not this government takes hold -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Briefly, Nick, and we have talked about this before, but I just want you to fill our viewers in. What is the scope of ISIS as a group

in Libya today?

[11:45:18] WALSH: They used to just have the city of Sirte on the coast. Now they are increasingly growing. They're attacking oil fields.

That brings the potential massive revenue if they can harness those oil fields on the black market. They're looking strong. Other parties have

looked weak so far. That may have changed overnight, but until IISS are on the back foot there, as they are in Syria and Iraq, they can potentially

cause a massive threat for southern Europe. It's only a few hours away by sea, Becky.

ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh -- yeah, Nick Paton -- thank you, Nick -- Nick Paton Walsh on the story for yo out of Beirut, Lebanon this evening.

Live from Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. Coming up, this may be the closest any of us ever to get to see this after

it just sold for a record breaking sum. The details for you just ahead.

Plus, as highways across Africa keep getting more clogged, one company is hoping to unblock them. That's next.



AMIR DAFTARI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As Africa's highways become increasingly congested, one company is aiming to reduce carbon

emissions while bringing greater convenience and flexibility to road users.

Based on international mobility on demand models like ZipCar, Locomute, South Africa's first car sharing service, allows customers to

hire vehicles by the hour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We started in June 2015 with six vehicles. And in a period of just over eight months, we have grown to over 300 vehicles.

DAFTARI: Locomute is the brainchild of founding partners Thomisong Marope (ph) and Nantando Kubeka (ph).

Their service is aimed primarily at urban professionals, small businesses and tourists.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: IT's also aimed at people have a keen understanding and an interest on the environment.

DAFTARI: Users sign up for the service by filling out a registration form online.

After downloading a smartphone app, Locomuters can locate and reserve a car nearest to them.

Once located, vehicles are unlocked either through the app or by swiping a membership card over the reader on the wind screen.

VOICE: Please open the glove box and follow the instructions on the key pad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our Locomuters pay a once of subscription fee of $15 in the beginning, and for a typical trip for 30 kilometers for minutes

you'd pay about $5.

DAFTARI: This cost is inclusive of fuel, insurance and parking.

The cars are branded with Locomute's logo providing cost effective mobile marketing on the go.

According to Nantando (ph) their main challenge to date has been managing cash flow in light of the rapid growth of the company.

[11:50:17] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our plan for the future is to now move into person to person sharing, allowing members of the public to plug in

their vehicles on our fleet and we are also looking at the possibility and opportunities that are out there in Africa in cities like Nairobi, in

cities like Lagos and Accra.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are extremely excited to be part of this business because we are at the cutting edge of technology and we have

brought something completely new to Africa.

DAFTARI: And as the concept of collaborative consumption gains more traction in South Africa, this young startup hopes to keep firing on all

cylinders to ensure continued growth for the future.

Amir Daftari, CNN.



ANDERSON: Well, forget about a catch of the day, this is the catch of a lifetime. A group of hunters came across this Godzilla-sized alligator

ata private ranch in Florida. It weighed in more than 350 kilograms, not the most massive gator found in Florida, though, the biggest one on record

weighed about 100 kilos or more.

You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.

Just before we get out of the show, breaking down barriers in religion. We want to bring you the story of a woman who has made history

in the orthodox branch of Judaism. Have a look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Rabbi Laila Kashden (ph) and I'm the first woman holding the title rabbi to serve an orthodox synagogue.

I have been dreaming about being a rabbi my entire life. When I was a little girl growing up in Montreal, Canada, my paternal grandmother, my

bubby (ph) asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I said I want to be a rabbi.

And she said that's really not a good job for a nice Jewish girl.

Orthodox communities are used to a certain aesthetic. They are used to seeing a male rabbi on the bima (ph) at the pulpit.

A rabbi is a spiritual leader, a rabbi is a teacher.

I grew up in an orthodox home. My father was my greatest teacher. His message to me was to focus on my education and that opportunities would

hopefully present themselves if I was ready to accept them.

I wasn't sure what community would hire me. While I do feel very well equipped to serve a community, there was some hesitation, maybe even some

risk involved.

I think that we don't have the luxury in Judaism of passing up any talented, thoughtful, caring sensitive leaders who are capable. There's 50

percent of the Jewish community who should have the opportunity to serve. There is really very little in rabbinic literature, in biblical literature

that suggests that women cannot enter into religious leadership.

I had always been considering this title, the title of rabbi. I didn't want to walk into a room or a space and have there be any ambiguity

of what it is that I was there to do, what my training was, what my skillset was. I think putting women in leadership positions ensures that

we will maintain tradition.

We are in 2016, but misogyny is alive and well. We're really on that cusp of certain progress that we have to advocate for ourselves, advocate

for our needs as women. Women have to find support where they can so they don't give up. In some ways, women have to look at themselves in the

mirror every morning knowing that what they are about to do is going to be very difficult and very challenging, but they are going to do it any way.

They are going to do it because of their call and their drive and because they are the best person for that position.


ANDERSON: Empty streets and -- let me start that again. Empty streets and abandoned buildings: not what you expect from the most

populous country on Earth, but that has been the fate of China's largest ghost town, a construction project now struggling to find residence.

It was built to accommodate 1 million people. Well, today a photographer described it as a failed utopia. He snapped some striking

photos of the ghost town. You can find them plus the full story on our Facebook page and lots of other stuff there for you as well including much

of what you have seen on the show this evening. Let us know what you think.

And get in touch with me on Twitter. Tweet me @beckycnn. That is @BeckyCNN.

Well, they say diamonds are forever, but it might just take you forever to save up for this one. For your Parting Shots this evening a

little sparkle.

This is the De Beers Millennial Jewel 4, an extremely rare 10 carat oval-shaped blue diamond. If that doesn't mean much to you, let me put it

in context. Dollars and cents wise, it sold for a smidge under $32 million at a Sotheby's auction in Hong Kong on Tuesday, but before it went under

the hammer it went on my colleague's finger.

CNN's Krisite Lu Stout is just one of the few people who got to try it on, but she had to give it back.

I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World.