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Trump Breaks His Silence in New York; Clinton, Sanders Prepare to Faceoff at CNN Debate; Brussels Attackers Initially Targeted France; Pope Francis Wants More Acceptance for Gay, Divorced Catholics; Can Jordan Spieth Win Back-to-Back at Augusta?; Bush versus Clinton in 1992 Election; 2016 Candidates Try Out Their New York Street Cred. Aired 6-7p ET
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[18:00:15] PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Pamela Brown in Washington, in for Poppy Harlow on this Sunday.
Well, right now, New York is filled with the sounds of presidential candidates making their pitch. They've got is the bull's eye of the political universe right now.
For the past few days, in fact, Donald Trump has been unusually quiet. Trump's silence ended today with a big rally in his home state. Trump holds a commanding lead in New York polls, but he wants more. He traveled to Upstate New York to plead for voters to turn out in huge numbers.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need a great show of strength in New York state. It's so important. We need a great show of strength. You've got to go not this Tuesday but the next Tuesday. Nine days. Nine days.
You've got to go out and you've got to vote en masse. You've got to bring your friends. You've got to tell them about it. You're going to say, this is one of the great days of your lives. You're going to say when you cast that vote in nine days on Tuesday, you're going to say it was the greatest single vote you've ever cast.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: It's quite a prediction.
And on the Democrats side, candidates crisscross New York ahead of the April 19th primary there. Bill and Hillary Clinton stopped by several New York churches this morning, looking to shore up support among African-Americans. Clinton has lost eight of the last nine states to rival Bernie Sanders and she's looking to end Sanders' momentum fast.
Meantime, Sanders rallied supporters on a Coney Island boardwalk as we see right here, and we touted his victory in Wyoming last night. Sanders and Clinton are just four days away now from a showdown in Brooklyn where CNN will host Thursday's event.
So, in nine days when voters head to the polls, who is going to win more votes? That is the big question. Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, because they're both asking for them.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That is why I need your help on April 26th, here in Baltimore and across Maryland.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I hope very much that here in New York state, you're going to help lead this country towards the political revolution.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BROWN: So, for the voters who haven't made up their mind, Sanders and Clinton still have one big opportunity to sway them.
CNN is hosting a Democratic debate in Brooklyn this Thursday, and one of the people tasked with asking them the tough questions joins me now. He is Errol Lewis, CNN contributor and political anchor at New York 1 News.
Errol, thanks so much for coming back on.
You, obviously, had a big day on Thursday. You're going to be sharing that stage with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. And it's really been getting tense between them. We've seen that rhetoric ratcheting up in the last week or so.
What are you looking to find out from these candidates that have been going at this for so long now?
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, like any journalist, I hope that we're going to be able to advance the conversation. All of the back and forth, there's been a fair amount of silliness about who knows how to get through a subway turnstile and so forth, as well as some higher levels silliness about who is qualified to be president and so forth.
But we've really got to ask some questions that haven't gotten a whole lot of attention, what I would call sort of urban America questions, what happens in the cities? What are their plans on updating some issues on which they have some background on policing and law enforcement and so forth. But what are they planning to do after the future? That's what most of what I'm hearing from our viewers and from a lot of readers of local papers. They've all been reaching out. And this is what people want to know.
BROWN: Well, the polls as of now, Errol, say that Hillary Clinton is the front-runner in New York. So what does Bernie Sanders need to show voters to win them over?
LOUIS: Well, he's got to make a convincing case that it's not so much about just Hillary Clinton, but about, say, the Democratic Party establishment as currently constituted. He keeps calling for a political revolution and that's high-flown rhetoric, but in a very practical sense, what he's saying is there are different ways to be a Democratic and he's trying to rally the progressive Democrats of which New York has no shortage and say that, you know, this is how we should be doing things, that we should be raising money only in small amounts and we should be rejecting the kinds of alliances that he claims Hillary Clinton has with large corporations and with the banking industry and with the political establishment.
He's really trying to shake things up and he's going to try and make sure that this -- frankly, this existing wing, progressive wing of the Democratic Party comes out and really battles on his behalf. He's really trying to sort of fuel an existing rivalry that's been going on in New York for a long, long time and see if he can sort of make something of it and come out on top in the process.
[18:05:08] BROWN: So I just have to ask you, when you look at the New York primaries in past presidential elections, they haven't really garnered this much attention as it is this time around. Why is it so much more significant now, in your view, than in the past?
LOUIS: Well, normally, because New York is pretty far back in the pack, pretty late in the process. Usually, frankly, the nomination is decided before the season gets to us.
Now, on the Democratic side and the Republican side, because they have a fight that looks like it could go close to the end of the season and even in the convention, in the case of the Republicans, every delegate counts and we've got a bunch of deletes here. That's one thing we do have here, is a whole lot of people and therefore, a whole lot of delegates.
And so, you have to go all the way back to 1988 or arguably, all the way back to 1976 when Jimmy Carter, by the way, came in third in the New York primary and went on to win the presidency. But it was a hard-fought battle back then and it's a hard-fought battle now.
BROWN: Yes, sure is. Earlier this week, as I'm sure you know, Bill Clinton insinuated that Sanders calling Clinton unqualified to be president was sexist. Do you think that Sanders is going to have to watch how he acts on the stage?
LOUIS: I think any candidate who runs against the woman at that level, and in particular, against Hillary Clinton, has to be mindful. In her very first Senate campaign, it's an important piece of local lord here in New York. The congressman that was running against Hillary Clinton at the time did a little bit of a political stunt during a debate, walked over to her, asked her to sign a piece of paper, it looked just awful, like he was bullying her and harassing her and the congressman, Rick Lazio, went on to get trounced by Hillary Clinton.
And in many people's memory, that was just sort of an overreach and not the right way to deal with a woman candidate. We've never had somebody operate at this level the way Hillary Clinton has. So, yes, Bernie Sanders will have to be very, very careful about that. BROWN: OK. Very quickly, Sanders has consistently pounded Hillary Clinton on her ties to Wall Street. You've been talking to voters there in New York, you're a New York journalist. How have voters responded to that there in New York?
LOUIS: Well, you know, again, the progressive wing says, you know, yes, yes, yes, Bernie is right. What some -- what also happens is that, you know, this is our home industry. So, there are a lot of clerks, there are a lot of, frankly, bankers, assistant bankers, vice president, people who want to get into the industry who move to New York to get into the industry, who recognize that it is the backbone of a local economy, and that extends to even, say, restaurants and car dealerships and so forth.
And so, when you say Wall Street is the bad guys, maybe not so much in a lot of people's opinion because a lot of people's livelihoods depend on that. So, it's kind of a mixed bag, you know? There are a lot of people who recognize that there is a problem, but there are a lot of people who work in and around and for Wall Street.
BROWN: It will be interesting to see on Thursday how he uses that at the debate where you will be on stage.
Errol Louis, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate it.
LOUIS: Absolutely. Thanks, Pam.
BROWN: And on that, we have a special programming note. Thank you. The next CNN Democratic presidential debate in Brooklyn is coming up this Thursday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. See Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders face off just five days before the New York primary right here on CNN.
Well, Donald Trump wants to win New York in a big way, but he didn't take to the airwaves to make his pitch. Today marked the first time since November that Trump did not hit the Sunday morning TV interview circuit. Instead, Trump held a huge rally in Rochester, New York, and there, he pleaded with Upstate voters to turn out in big numbers for the New York primary on April 19th.
Let's go straight to CNN correspondent Chris Frates right outside that Trump rally.
So, Chris, tell us more about his pitch to voters there.
CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good evening, Pam.
Yes. So, this was the first time in three days we've seen Donald Trump on the campaign trail and he was back today in full Donald Trump form. This is a huge, hugely important state for Donald Trump, 95 delegates at play. Donald Trump could sweep all of them.
And that's going to be important, because Ted Cruz has been on a bit of a hot streak lately. He's been playing the delegate game very, very well, and that's led Donald Trump to already starting to say, he thinks his delegate game is rigged. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: We've got a corrupt system. It's not right. We're supposed to be a democracy. We're supposed to be -- we're supposed to be, you vote and the vote means something.
And I want to tell you, it's a corrupt deal going on in this country and it's not good. It's not good. And it's not fair to you people.
They're taking your vote away.
[18:10:01] They're disenfranchising people that want to see America be great again and politicians will never do it. They don't want to do it. They can't do it because they are lobbyists and special interests are saying, we're not going to let you do it. It's no good and we've got to change the system and it's got to change fast.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FRATES: Now, Donald Trump saying all of that as Ted Cruz plays a very savvy delegate. In fact, he's won four of the last four contests, big wins in Wisconsin and a big win just yesterday in Colorado, taking off all 34 of those delegates and that's let the Trump campaign to hit Cruz very hard, saying that he's using Gestapo tactics to win these delegates, threatening delegates to join him or else.
The Cruz people say that's ridiculous. That's just another Donald Trump temper tantrum, and it's sour grapes.
But you are seeing the Trump people start to adjust a little bit here, Pam. They are bringing on delegate experts, someone who has worked for a lot of GOP presidential campaigns to try to play this inside game. But they're looking very good here in New York. The polls all have Donald Trump ahead. In fact, a new FOX poll out today, it shows him with 54 percent, Ted Cruz just 15 percent, Cruz lagging even John Kasich in this state.
And that's important because if he can win by a big enough percentage, he could win all 95 of those delegates and get a little bit closer to that magic number of 1,237. He's about 500 short of it now. Ted Cruz working very hard to make sure he doesn't get those delegates, but Donald Trump back on the stump today, Pam, and making the case very, very Trump-style here in an airplane hangar in Rochester, New York, Pam.
BROWN: All right. Chris Frates, thanks so much for bringing us the latest there from Rochester, New York.
And, by the way, don't forget starting tomorrow, CNN's Anderson Cooper will host town halls with all three Republican presidential candidates and their families over the next three days. Tomorrow night, he'll talk to Ohio Governor John Kasich and his family. And then on Tuesday night, Donald Trump, his wife Melania and daughter Ivanka and sons Don Jr. and Eric will all be there. And Wednesday night will feature Texas Senator Ted Cruz and his wife Heidi.
That's this Monday, Tuesday night and Wednesday night at 9:00 Eastern, only on CNN.
And just ahead this hour, it's the candidates versus the New York media, and the lead-up to the state's primary. And you better believe that "Saturday Night Live" had a little fun with it. We'll show.
Plus, a holy visit. Bernie Sanders is set to travel to the Vatican this week. What this mysterious trip could mean for the presidential race.
And later, stunning revelations out of Brussels. The terror cell that carried out the airport attack was planning another attack in France. Details on that straight ahead.
You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Stay with us.
[18:15:52] BROWN: Well, new developments on the Brussels terror attack. The Belgian prosecutor's office says the ISIS cell responsible for the carnage of the Brussels airport and at a metro station was originally planning another attack in France.
CNN French affiliate BFM reports that the targets were go to be high- profile in Paris. But as they saw the past the investigation was moving until last year's attacks in Paris. They turned their sights on Brussels instead. This comes as Belgian authorities captured Mohamed Abrini right here who has confessed to be the man in the hat at the Brussels airport.
CNN senior producer Kellie Morgan is in Brussels today with more on this.
So, what have we learned, Kellie, about this plan that they abandoned?
KELLIE MORGAN, CNN SENIOR PRODUCER: Well, according to this source cited by BFM, this information is detailed about this French plot was obtained from the computer scattered outside of the Schaerbeek apartment, rather, that was used by the Brussels attackers to make their bombs. Now, there was data on that computer. The file that listed two targets in France, the Le Defense business district, as well as the Catholic association in the city. There are also notes to the effect that these men were in a hurry, one of them reading we need to protect ourselves from the police.
So, yes, it was fast forward. Rather than attacking Paris, they attacked in Brussels. The carnage here instead. Now, this will be difficult for the Parisians to hear, of course, that they were going to be intended target of yet another attack. And we must remember that just a week after the Brussels blast, police in France announced that they had thwarted a plot in the advantage stages in France.
So, there will be hard security and higher alert once again in Paris.
BROWN: Yes absolutely. Do we know how many other people authorities believe are connected to this network that are still on the loose in Europe plotting attacks? MORGAN: Well, that is the question, isn't it? How many more are
there. The fear is that, yes, there are a lot more out there. We know that some of the French attackers boasted about 90 ISIS fighters coming in through that migrant -- the root that the migrants are being taken throughout this crisis that we've been seeing unfold since September last year.
So, that's a lot of people that are still potentially out there planning terror on European soil, Pamela.
BROWN: And I imagine a lot of that you see a lot of security around you, Kellie?
MORGAN: There is a lot of security and not just here in Belgium. It's across -- it's across Europe. There is heightened security in London where I'm normally based.
There's heightened security in Germany, everywhere around Europe, in the wake of the Paris attacks last year, there's been heightened security and alert, all major transport hubs. A lot of the security has to be said also is not necessarily in plain sight. A lot of that sort of undercover covert activity is being done and we're starting to see organizations work a little bit closer together to try and unravel this terror that, as you say, has tentacles reaching across Europe.
BROWN: All right. Kellie Morgan, thank you very much for that.
And coming up on this Sunday, the New York media has more freedom in how they cover presidential candidates. They use humor as a way to criticize. We got a New York comedian up next to explain how it all works. We'll be back.
[18:23:11] BROWN: Well, New York media outlets are shining a harsh light on presidential candidates trying to prove their Big Apple credentials. Candidates on both sides have been targets of scrutiny. Ohio Governor John Kasich caught flak for eating pizza with a fork. Remember that?
And then there was Hillary Clinton's trip to the subway turnstile that became an easy target for "SNL." Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know what my favorite part about New York is the subway. I love to ride it and I am comfortable riding. In fact, here's me using it earlier today.
The New York City subway is the best way to get around. I guess it's been a while. Is this a working metro card? Is this -- I'll just go in the old fashioned way.
I'll take a cab. Cab is the best way to get around.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BROWN: Dean Obeidallah joins me now. He is a "Daily Beast" contributor and host of "The Dean Obeidallah show" on Sirius XM.
All right. Dean, so, you're a comedian who has written for "SNL." What do you make of New York's treatment of these candidates? It certainly seems different in these other states where they have been campaigning?
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, COMEDIAN/DAILY BEAST CONTRIBUTOR: Well, the reality is that the New York media market and New York riders are probably the most vicious lethal riders out there. They make "Game of Thrones" look like a romantic comedy.
So, anyone who comes here, you have the thick skin like an alligator, you know, the mistake with Hillary Clinton couldn't use a turnstile, the people at "Saturday Night Live", those are dreams come true. Those are little things that are funny to parody. Everyone laughs at it.
And added thing here in New York, the stakes are high because it actually matters this time, the Democratic, Republican primary. So from now until next Tuesday, expect even more humor in the tabloids.
[18:25:04] Cover after covering making fun of these guys and women. If they make one mistake, they are going to hear it.
BROWN: Yes. I mean, some would say, oh, I personally have had trouble getting through the turnstile but if a presidential candidate does it like Hillary Clinton, it's made into an "SNL" skit.
I'm curious. You know, Bernie Sanders born in Brooklyn was out today looking for the classic Coney Island hotdogs photo-up. Let's take a look at this photo-op.
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BROWN: So, you had Bernie Sanders there in Coney Island. You had Hillary Clinton there yesterday eating cheesecake. Do these -- Dean, do these moments come off as sincere to voters in New York?
OBEIDALLAH: I think, in reality in New York, we are so jaded, nothing seems sincere o or organic at this point, you know? And if you're going to do things like New Yorkers now, you know, eating a hotdog is one thing and the pizza. That's old school.
Go to what people are doing now, they're waiting in line for the halal cart, just two blocks from here, a huge line across the whole block. And if you're going to have the halal cart chicken shawarma, you've got to put the white sauce on. If you don't, you're not a New Yorker.
So, if you're going to bond with us, do those things. You know, yell at tourists for walking slowly on the sidewalk. That will make New Yorkers say, that person knows what my life is about. Give a finger to a cab driver who doesn't stop for you, that will impress New Yorkers because eating cheesecake and hot dogs and pizza, it's so old school, it's not impressive to us. BROWN: So, you know, this isn't Hillary Clinton's first rodeo with
dealing with New York media, obviously, as well as Donald Trump. But what advice would you give to these presidential candidates to be able to survive the media scrutiny that they are under right now in New York?
OBEIDALLAH: I think if you have like a suit of armor, put that on. Now, if you have alligator skin, wear that. Don't read the headlines, don't look at "The Daily News" headlines if you're Donald Trump or if you're a Democrat, "The New York Post" headlines. It's going to be vicious. It's something that they've never seen before.
Look at Ted Cruz. They said take the F-U train to him. I'm surprised "The Daily News" didn't right the words out at this point. That's far we've gone.
So, have a thick skin, be honest and authentic with who you are, be comfortable with who are, and just let the cards fall where they may.
BROWN: And as you point out with this headline right there, take the F-U train, some in the New York media have not been kind to Ted Cruz, should we say. The Texas senator, that's because he made that comment about New York values that he's catching flak for. So, why is that? What exactly are New York values, Dean?
OBEIDALLAH: I think New York values are Northeastern American values. It's some of the best in the country. You know, we were a melting spot still. We're very beyond time. We're accepting and embracing of other cultures and background and religions.
Ted Cruz's campaign doesn't match up with that. Yes, he doesn't share our New York values because he doesn't have the same tolerance that we do and embracing of others. That's why he got yelled at in the South Bronx. Ted Cruz expected more of that.
Yesterday, Donald Trump with the 9/11 museum, didn't allow the press to go with him. People were tweeting him and mocking him. And there were some media outlets are mocking him for never going to the 9/11 museum before running for president just yesterday. So, if it doesn't seem truthful, we're going to attack you. And if you're going to attack us in our city, you're lucky I don't have a baseball bat. It's a rough city.
BROWN: All right. Dean Obeidallah, I think you made your point loud and clear. Thank you very much for that. We do appreciate it.
OBEIDALLAH: Thank you.
BROWN: Coming up on this Sunday, the pope's new message about the Catholic Church and its relationship to gays, lesbians and divorced Catholics.
[18:31:47] BROWN: Well, Pope Francis urges more acceptance for Catholics who are gay, lesbian, divorced or living together outside of marriage. In a highly anticipated paper called "On Love and the Family," the Pope writes, "It can no longer simply be said that all those living in any irregular situation are living in a state of mortal sin." The Pope is not changing the Catholic doctrine on homosexuality, marriage, birth control or abortion.
Let's talk this over with Emory University professor of religion and theology, Brent Strawn.
Brent, thank you for coming on. I'm really curious to hear your thoughts just on what the reaction has been so far from these individual Catholic parishes to what the Pope had to say.
BRENT STRAWN, PROFESSOR OF RELIGION AND THEOLOGY, EMORY UNIVERSITY: Well, the document is going to not fully satisfy those who are on the far right or the far left. The Pope doesn't come across as a hard liner, particularly on things like divorce and, of course, he also doesn't go nearly far enough for many in our country, particularly on the issue of same-sex marriage.
But what's interesting is how he puts this decision, the integration of Catholics who are in, as you say, irregular situations. He puts that really squarely as a responsibility of the local pastor in the local church.
BROWN: So there's a lot of focus on that on same-sex couples, divorced Catholics. But there have been some critics who said that he didn't go far enough when it came to women. In fact there was this article in "The Daily Beast" that says Francis appears to maintain his annoying blind spot when it continues to women.
What's your reaction to that?
STRAWN: Yes, this plays into the fact that the Pope is quietly revolutionary, which is a term that's been used of this particular papal exhortation. He is traditional. He doesn't overturn any major points of doctrine. In fact, the papal exhortation does not do that sort of work. It's not as powerful as an encyclical. But at the same time, the kind of moves he makes, particularly emphasizing concern, compassion, care and the concrete situation, the importance of the concrete situation, that it Trumps the general law in many ways. That is really a stunning thing, especially played out in many other corners of the world, right? The Pope oversees 1.2 billion Catholics. And so what he says here may sound more conservative than elsewhere in the world.
BROWN: Well, the same day this paper was released, as you know, the Vatican announced it has invited Senator Sanders to speak next week. Sanders talked about that earlier this morning and I want to play a portion of what he said and talk to you on the other end.
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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I must tell you that I am a very great fan of the role that Pope Francis has been playing in talking about inequality in this world. You know, it goes without saying that I have my strong disagreements with certain aspects of what the church stands for. But he has been out there talking about the need for a moral economy. A moral economy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BROWN: So there are some similarities there and also Sanders said there are issues that he and the Pope disagrees on. But besides that, what do you make of the fact that the presidential candidate speaking at the Vatican during a heated presidential race? Is that unusual?
[18:35:05] STRAWN: Well, it's a little bit unusual. And of course, the circumstances around it have been a bit controversial. He claims to have been invited by the Vatican but the head of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences said that he didn't invite him initially. It was his move first. Then the Vatican said that's not true, we did reach out to the senator. So he's one of six participants who will be a part of this conference that's a conference on economics, on social issues, on the environment.
And there will be political people there. The president of Bolivia will be there, the president of Ecuador will be there. And he's not giving a paper. He's just participating. Presumably he'll speak, he'll respond to some of the general discussion but it's a small academic conference. 20 to 30 academics. The Pope may or may not be there. And he may not meet with the Pope. So it is a kind of curious timing, especially so close to the New York primary.
STRAWN: But also not completely surprising given his affinity for the Pope and evidently he gives great appreciation for the Pope's encyclical, which is called "Praise to You," which deals expansively with consumerism, with greed, with a rapacious economy and with the environment and global warming even.
BROWN: Right. Well, of course we'll be monitoring that. And we don't know if he's going to meet with the Pope. But it's still interesting, nonetheless.
Brett Strawn, thank you very much.
STRAWN: Thank you for having me, Pam.
BROWN: And coming, we're going to take you to the Masters. All eyes and most of the pressure on one golfer who's trying to do something only three others in history have done. We'll go live to Augusta, up next.
[18:40:25] BROWN: Well, golfer Jordan Spieth is trying to do something only three others have done in the 80-year history of the Masters tournament, win it back-to-back. He's already done something rare by leading the first three rounds, start to finish, heading into today's play.
Our Andy Scholes joins me now from Augusta. So how is he doing, Andy? How is Spieth doing? ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I tell you what, Pam,
we have high drama going on right now in the back nine with Jordan Spieth looked like he was rolling to his second straight Masters' victory. I mean, he birdied sixth, he birdied seventh, he birdied eighth, he birdied nine. It looked like he had this thing won and then on the back nine, he ran into all kind of trouble. He bogeyed 10, bogeyed 11, then on 12 he had an epic meltdown.
He hit the ball in the water, had to drop, hit the ball in the water again, then found a bunker, ended up with a quadruple bogey. Spieth is now trying to play from behind and make a comeback in the Masters. He's down to three holes to go.
Your leader right now in the clubhouse is Danny Willet, a 28-year-old from England. And he actually has a pretty cool story. Willet and his wife are expecting their first child and the baby was due this weekend, and he has said he was not going to come to the Masters and instead be there for the birth of this child but, luckily for him, the baby came last week. He's here at the Masters this week and look at the story. It's become Willett in the lead in the clubhouse right now at five under.
Spieth still has time, like I said, down to three holes to go and, Pamela, you know, the tradition at the Masters is, last year's winner puts the green jacket on the winner from this year and I tell you what, man, that would be really sour if Spieth has to end up putting a jacket on Willett after having lead nearly this entire tournament.
BROWN: Right. So he was a frontrunner heading into the day. So what do you think happened? Did the pressure get to him?
SCHOLES: So, on 11, he had a putt that would have been for par and it lifted up out of the cup and maybe the air came out of his sails a little bit because it was on 12 when he had the epic meltdown. So, you know, it's very uncharacteristic of Jordan Spieth because he's usually so level-headed and usually nothing gets to him. And that's why he's been able to lead this whole tournament despite these windy conditions. But very -- I mean, very sad to see to what happened to him today. You know, all the fans are definitely rooting for him, trying to see him make history and win back-to-back Masters. But he can still do it. He can still do it. But he's up against it right now.
BROWN: All right. Andy Scholes, thank you so much.
SCHOLES: All right.
BROWN: And coming up, we take you inside the final episode of the CNN series "RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE." We'll speak to a 1992 Bill Clinton campaign adviser on how the Clinton team fought to win the Democratic nomination and the lessons learned as Hillary Clinton attempts to repeat the feat.
[18:47:00] BROWN: Well, before he was a two-term president, Bill Clinton was known as the comeback kid. Allegations of an affair and draft dodging surfaced right before the New Hampshire primary in 1992 and the Clinton campaign was considered nearly dead.
In this week's final episode of the CNN series "RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE," we followed the Clinton team as they fight to win back the hearts of the American people. And here's a sneak peek.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Though the facts remain jumbled, the 1992 news about Clinton's 1969 draft status is that it has for the moment distracted his campaign.
KEVIN SPACEY, HOST: Two scandals in less than a month have left Bill Clinton lagging behind his Democratic rivals in the key New Hampshire primary.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bill Clinton said, look, my own fault, I caused the problems, but I'm going to deal with them. We're going to win this. Let's all get some sleep and let's go get them tomorrow morning.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: I just have one thing to say about the next eight days. I'm going to fight like hell.
PAUL BEGALA, SENIOR STRATEGIST, CLINTON CAMPAIGN: He started going to duck pin bowling alleys, he started going to shopping centers, he went anywhere, anywhere he could find people. But he just thought every moment, every second, I've got to try.
CLINTON: Good to see you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hang in there.
CLINTON: I'll do it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Things are going to turn around for you.
CLINTON: I do, too.
JAMES CARVILLE, CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: It was the most remarkable thing I've seen in politics. Literally we're watching a guy literally fight for his life, for his political life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BROWN: Well, joining me now is Samuel Popkin, former adviser for Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign and the voice in the final episode. He's currently a political science professor at the University of California San Diego and the author of "The Candidate: What It Takes to Win and Hold the White House."
Thank you so much for coming on, Samuel. We appreciate it. I can't wait to get your perspective, especially when you look at this election cycle. You know, this was the election that gave us, it's the economy, stupid, as Bill Clinton defeated President Bush in this election. So what do you make of what's playing out now compared to then in 1992?
SAMUEL POPKIN, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO: Well, I think if you look carefully at all the columns every week another Republican is wishing that their party could do what Bill Clinton and the Democratic leadership conference did, which is rebuild the bridge from the left to the center or in the case of the Republicans, a bridge between the right and the center. So that the party doesn't keep getting the circular firing squads.
I mean, Bill Clinton did more than overcome scandals and the "I didn't inhale.' He figured out a way to say the same thing to blacks and whites who distrusted each other. He found a way to get people who thought abortion was no problem, and people who thought it was a problem, to agree on a common ground. He really worked on welfare and on work for everybody.
[18:50:03] And it was a remarkable job and to be a part of that campaign makes up for all the bad taste so many other campaigns leave you when they fall apart.
BROWN: Well, when you look at his wife, Hillary Clinton, she still has that sort of authenticity, likeability problem. What do you think she needs to do to have that same aha moment we all remember from Bill Clinton's campaign?
POPKIN: She's not a natural let-loose person. When she gets asked in the right setting, it comes out. I find that ironic because I don't think anybody who runs for office is ever been more spiritual or learned more of bible than Hillary Clinton. But she can't just act it when it doesn't come out naturally. And she can drink most of the men in the Senate under the table according to John McCain and Lindsey Graham. But you never see her in a bar the way you did in 2008.
So I'm -- assuming she's waiting calmly for the Republicans to stop shooting each other, and then she'll sort of loosen up. But you can never be sure.
BROWN: So leading up to the 1992 election, if you look back then, you know, President Bush, he was riding high in the polls after that successful Gulf War campaign that ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. But ultimately Bill Clinton exploited voter concerns on domestic issues. In your view, in this election, Hillary Clinton, she has the experience as secretary of state. But can that foreign policy expertise be a disadvantage in a way?
POPKIN: Absolutely. When you're -- when you're visiting other countries, you're not visiting factories, you're not visiting main streets. You're not -- it can either be in the Ukraine, Afghanistan, or Ferguson, Missouri. But you can't do them at the same time. And it does make people think you worrying about them that you're worrying about me. It could be a real liability.
BROWN: Very interesting. And so I have to ask, what other lessons from that 1992 election apply to today?
POPKIN: I think the biggest one is don't get trapped early in desperation in taking an extreme position that you're not ready for later. And don't listen to the last friend you talked to, wait until you think out what traps you're setting. Whether it's Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, getting caught on something they can't really admit is their position. You really need -- it's a chess game, not a smash-mouth game in the end.
BROWN: Very interesting. All right. Well, thank you so much, Samuel Popkin. Great to have you on and get your perspective and look forward to seeing you in the show -- in the drama that unfolds tonight at 9:00 p.m., CNN's "RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE."
We'll be right back.
[18:56:36] BROWN: Before we go, we have to share Jake Tapper's take on the candidates' stormy New York City this week. As you probably heard Ted Cruz made matzo at Brighton Beach and for John Kasich in the Bronx, it was all about the food. It's all the candidates trying to show some New York street cred. It's this week's "State of the Cartoon-Union."
JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR, "THE LEAD" (voice-over): New York, ever present in our cultural imagination and this year taking an outsized role in our political process.
Even before the fight for New York's delegates was under way, New York played a starring role in the campaign.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think most people know exactly what New York values are.
TAPPER: Donald Trump hit back as a man made in Manhattan. And he promised to take an electoral bite out of the big apple.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I love New York, OK? I will be campaigning in New York and if we win New York, it's over, you understand that? Because we pick up so many delegates.
TAPPER: Trump is likely to beat John Kasich here. Kasich lost a lot of New Yorkers when he was spotted digging into a slice with a knife and fork.
Meanwhile the city's mean streets will be the scene of the next face- off between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.
Brooklyn is home to both in their own way. Sanders born and bred there, Clinton, the state's former senator, who headquartered her campaign there. Only one can win on either side, hopeful that as Sinatra sang.
TAPPER: If can you make it here, you can make it anywhere. (END VIDEOTAPE)
BROWN: Jake Tapper's own illustrations there. All right. And don't forget starting tomorrow, CNN's Anderson Cooper will host town halls with all three Republican presidential candidates and their families over the next three days. And tomorrow night he'll talk to Ohio Governor John Kasich and his family. And then on Tuesday night Donald Trump, his wife Melania, daughter Ivanka and sons, Don, Jr. and Eric will all be there. And then Wednesday night, we'll feature Texas Senator Ted Cruz and his wife Heidi. That's this Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday nights at 9:00 p.m. Eastern only on CNN.
And tonight on CNN, it's a night of CNN premieres. At 9:00 Eastern, it's the final episode of "RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE." Relive all the drama surrounding Bush versus Clinton. And then at 10:00, join Bill Weir for a trip to the happiest place on earth. It's "THE WONDER LIST, BHUTAN," but next, we begin with the "RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE."
That does it for me. I'm Pamela Brown. Thank you so much for watching and spending part of your Sunday with us. Hope you have a great week.