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[11:00:12] NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Two months ago, we wouldn't have been sat like this, then they were commanders in
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Why did these two men join ISIS and then defect? CNN's exclusive reporting on ISIS in Afghanistan is next.
Also ahead this hour...
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FATI, ESCAPED FROM BOKO HARAM (through translator): Boko Haram would come to us and ask, who wants to do the suicide bomb? And the girls would say,
me, me, me!
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ANDERSON: Risking death for a chance to escape. David McKenzieie speaks to one who girl free from the Nigerian terror group.
And on equal payday, what women can do to get the salary bump they deserve.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
It is just after 7:00 here in the UAE (inaudible) and could bring more carnage to a country long plagued by chaos and war. The Afghan Taliban
have declared the start of their annual, quote, "spring offensive." It comes just one day after the militant group claimed responsibility for this
Twelve Afghan army recruits were killed and the war with the Taliban is not the only battle inside the country. ISIS is trying to gain a foothold
there. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh spoke exclusively to two men who were caught up in hat first as members of the Taliban, the switching over to ISIS
before finally defecting.
WALSH (voice-over): Looking for ISIS. In Afghanistan's east, ISIS' radio broadcast of hate was bombed off air recently by the U.S. But here it's
been coming back in the past week.
"It was there three days ago, and it's gone again," says one man. "They were talking nonsense," says another. "They're asking people to pledge
allegiance and march on Kabul," he adds.
This is one broadcast they recorded earlier. ISIS is trying to put down roots here. But every day, more Afghans want to tear them up. And that
starts here. Two months ago, we wouldn't have sat like this. Then they were commanders in ISIS.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): They just like beheadings. Think they are good to do.
WALSH: ISIS, they say, came from Pakistan, not Iraq, and promised guns and money to their struggling group of Taliban. Their agenda, black flags,
killing and looting, which they did go along with at first.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): They knew who was to take their money. The poor, they would arm to fight for them or kill them.
WALSH: It went south fast. And they both remember the moment when.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): I remember when they beheaded seven people in the bazaar, including government workers and Taliban. I saw
the long strip of wood they did it on covered in blood. They just threw the bodies away and buried. It was very Islamic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): The worst memory is if you were killed fighting for them they wouldn't hand your wife and children to a
relative but put them in a camp.
WALSH: ISIS recruit children here. Their own videos show another reason the two men work with Afghan intelligence who set up our interview, to get
other locals to join an uprising program against ISIS. But they say they've lacked government protection and money and that's put potential defectors
off. The fight is now left just to American drones, they say.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): Drones are doing a good job killing is. They target them as soon as they leave their houses.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): The government hasn't made any progress in those areas. It's only the bombing that's effective.
WALSH (voice-over): You were in the Taliban, then in ISIS and now the American drones are bombing your own village but you're pleased about this
because it's killing ISIS. Is that a strange feeling for you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): It makes us happy. We want them wiped out.
WALSH: They are killers themselves who know what they're talking about. He holds up his cloak. Holes from an American helicopter attack not long ago
when he was Taliban.
ISIS has shattered ordinary lives, too. Across town and in a luxury village built for rich people who never came, are hundreds of families who fled
(on camera): Afghanistan, like many nations, basically has to battle an idea that appeals to minds warped after decades of war. They don't see the
Taliban as radical enough. An idea that no matter how hard you battle or bomb it, it's difficult to completely extinguish.
(voice-over): Many of their homes are still occupied and much damage is irreversible.
They killed this man's brother and then shot him in the waist as he helped his family escape. He's left unable to provide for them. And ISIS still
live in their home.
ISIS savagery was first glimpsed in Afghanistan in this video where they lined up opponents and detonated a bomb below them. The man who speaks is
survived by his brother.
[08:06:21] UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): My brother called my father to tell him the death was on Facebook. We couldn't bury him if we
didn't have a body. Its pieces are probably still lying where it was blown up.
WALSH: Decade of trauma here, yet somehow it gets worse.
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[11:05:55] ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh joining us now from the Afghan capital of Kabul.
Nick, what condition are ISIS in now? And what has this fight meant for the broader one against the Taliban?
WALSH: Well, it appears that after a pretty strong flourish last year, some (inaudible) where those men were from, there are concerns that they
moved elsewhere to another province nearby in the east called Kunar (ph). Now, this is deeply troubling, because it suggests an enduring presence.
They are predominately from Paksitan. Most people we've spoken to suggest it's a foreign and that may explain some of the hostility they received not
only from the Taliban here, but also locals as well.
The key question, Becky is as you say, is what does this mean for the fight against the Taliban. Well, everyone saw I think the urgent need to combat
confront ISIS if they got a real grip in lawless eastern Afghanistan. They've half done the job, predominately, it seems with a lot of U.S air
power and the kind of militia that those two men may become part of, local groups given money and support to try and fight ISIS in that area could
assist as well.
But it's been a big distraction for the U.S. and Afghan security forces from this broader issue of fighting the Taliban. The Taliban are on the
resurgency here. They are very much moving forward, taking a third certainly, if not way more, of the largest province of Helmand. They're
pressuring its capital, as we discussed yesterday.
So, a lot of concerns. And this ISIS fight may in fact be yet another strain on the fight against Taliban for an Afghan security force which is
after suffering record casualties last year, 5,500 in just one year, way more than NATO suffered in its entire campaign here that it may have been a
distraction for Afghan security forces that are still yet to recover from, Becky.
ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh is in Kabul this evening. Nick, thank you.
Well, the turbulence in the country has sent millions of people fleeing, but wherever they go, it has not been an easy ride. A little later, we're
going to speak to one man who fled Afghanistan as a boy and took an unbelievable journey into Europe.
And they were the reason the United States invaded Afghanistan in the first place, now al Qaeda making a comeback there. The country's top defense
official tells CNN Washington is also concerned.
Here is a preview of more of Nick's exclusive reporting this week.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are really very active.
WALSH: Still a big threat?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. It is a big threat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were a lot of intel estimates that said that within Afghanistan, al qaedaQprobably has 50 to 100 operators. But at this
one camp, we found more than 150.
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ANDERSON: Well, explore return of al Qaeda in Afghanistan with us on Wednesday. That is right here on CNN.
Well, Iran and Italy pressing forward with a new relationship now that nuclear sanctions against Tehran have been lifted. They have just signed
six new deals to work together on energy, on infrastructure and on tourism to name a few.
Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is on a two-day visit to Iran. He's there to strike deals that
could be worth billions of dollars to Italian businesses.
Well, CNN Money's emerging markets editor John Defterios with me for more on this.
And Rouhani visited Italy in January to lay the groundwork for this, John. Tell us more details about how these two countries are developing their
JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN MONEY: Well, think about it. In 2016, you see this alliance forming. It's almost Italy and Iran bonding over business, Becky.
Matteo Renzi has this two-day visit, as you suggested. On day one, they signed six more MOUs, taking the total in just 2016 to some 36.
In fact, I talked to an Italian member of the delegation who was sitting into the banking meeting, this doesn't cover banking, but the Italians are
willing to put better than $4 billion on the table for a line of credit, which was seen as a very strong signal by the Italians they want to jump-
Let's not forgot President Rouhani is under a lot of pressure domestically to push up growth, to try to hit the 6 percent target, but also to deal
with youth unemployment. But I think it's also worth nothing, the Italians are getting more than their fair share of transactions here.
You go back to January when Rouhani visited Rome. They had $17 billion worth of deals signed on the table, which you can see the sectors here.
The focus is on infrastructure -- airports, rails, power. What is absent here is a major oil and gas deal. That's what Italy is really after. But
the Iranian petroleum contract that we have talked about before on the program is not there. Details are missing missing. So nobody is signing
any major oil and gas deals, but they're pushing ahead with infrastructure and trying to open the door for the made in Italy brands, which include
textiles and the next wave will include the food manufacturers as well.
John, thank you. John Defterios in the house for you this evening.
See some of the other stories on our radar today, three people have been detained in Belgium in
connection with the Paris terror attacks. The arrests come the same day the Belgian prosecutor announced two men were charged in connection with
the Brussels bombings.
Now the prosecutor says the two appear to be linked to an address which may have been a
safe house for some of the attackers. Two of Donald Trump's biggest supporters won't be voting for
him in the critical New York primary. The Republican presidential front- runner's own children, Ivanka and Eric Trump son failed to register in time.
Both are outspoken campaign surrogates, but Trump says they were unaware of rules in their home state that required them to register their party
affiliation by last October.
Britain's Prince William and his wife Catherine on the third day of their visit to India. Earlier, Prime Minister Narendra Modi hosted the British
royals for lunch in New Delhi.
During their week-long trip the couple are also scheduled to visit a park renowned for its one-horned rhinos.
Well, a new report from UN children's agency UNICEF paints an alarming picture of the plight of young girls kidnapped by Boko Haram.
Already forced into sex slavery, they're now increasingly being used to carry out suicide bombings.
My colleague David McKenzie spoke to one girl who managed to escape. Have a listen.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fati wears the jewelry given to her by her mother and the wedding dress from her
rapist, the terrorist from Boko Haram.
FATI, ABDUCTED BY BOKO HARAM (through translator): They came to our village with guns and told us they wanted to marry us.
We said, "No, we are too small."
So they married us by force.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Fati isn't her real name. We must hide her identity for her safety. She was just 14. And her nightmare was just beginning.
Boko Haram took her to Sambisa Forest but their stronghold was under attack.
FATI (through translator): The jets dropped bombs and bullets on us in the forest all the time. All of the girls were so frightened. All of them. They
always cried. And the men raped us.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): It was full of abducted girls, she says, many from Chibok, living the nightmare with her.
FATI (through translator): Boko Haram leaders would come to us and ask, "Who wants to do the suicide bomb?"
And the girls would say, "Me, me, me."
They were shouting. They were even fighting to do the suicide bombs.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): At first, Fati thought that the girls were brainwashed, buying into Boko Haram's brutal jihad.
FATI (through translator): But it was just because they want to run away from Boko Haram. If they give them a suicide bomb, then maybe they would
meet soldiers and tell them, "I have a bomb on me," and they would remove the bomb. Perhaps they can run away.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): We find Fati in Minawao refugee camp in far north Cameroon.
As Boko Haram swept through their villages, Nigerians fled here in the thousands. Now the camp is at more than double capacity.
Just beyond those hills is Boko Haram territory. Security officials say the group has infiltrated the camp. Boko Haram often uses abducted children in
their attacks so many here fear young girls the most.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If they see somebody escape from Boko Haram, they feel like they are together with the Boko Haram, is the Boko Haram that free you
to go and do suicide bombs.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Fati never volunteered. Her captor defected and got arrested near the border.
FATI (through translator): I was free.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Now she's reunited with her mother, who traveled days to get here. But Fati says many others like her are still held captive
in Sambisa so desperate to flee the forest they will volunteer to die so perhaps they can live.
David McKenzie, CNN, Minawau (ph) Camp, Cameroon.
[11:15:19] ANDERSON: Horrific story of Boko Haram.
Well, still to come tonight, who is to blame for the failed state of Libya and what can be done to fix it? I want to speak to one of the most
prominent authors and philosopher in Europe who was a leading voice for western intervention.
And activists accuse Turkey of a crack down on free speech. Where does the European Union
stand? That's coming up.
ANDERSON: Well, a show of support for Libya's new unity government, as it's known, from the country's former colonial ruler. Foreign minister of
Italy arrived in Tripoli earlier today. He is the first senior western official to meet with new UN-backed Libyan administration since it set up
operations in the capital nearly two weeks ago. Now, the west desperately wants to see this government succeed because so much is at stake.
Now, several major crisis in the world today have at least some roots in Libya. That country widely considered to be a failed state and a safe
haven for terrorists.
One of the top priorities for the new government is taking on ISIS and other militant groups
which operate virtually at will.
Libya descended into chaos after 2011 overthrow dictator Moammar Gadhafi, you'll remember, as rival militia battled to fill the power vacuum. ISIS
has now established a firm foothold. The U.S. estimates the number of ISIS fighters in Libya has doubled in just the last year alone.
Well, now on admission by U.S. President Barack Obama is reigniting the debate whether
the disaster in Libya could have been prevented. Let's get some perspective from a prominent French author and philosopher who championed
the cause of western intervention in Libya. Bernard-Henri Levy is joining us now live from New York.
And, sir, hang on with me for a moment. I want to remind our viewers what President Obama said about Libya a few days ago. He doesn't regret taking
part in the coalition that overthrew Moammar Gadhafi, but he says not being prepared for aftermath is, and I quote, the worst mistake of his
presidency. Have a listen.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Probably failing to prepare for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in
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ANDERSON: An admission of guilt, perhaps. But remember just weeks ago an article in The Atlantic suggests Mr. Obama puts a lot of blame on his
coalition partners. He accused British Prime Minister David Cameron of becoming, quote, distracted and suggested then French President Nicholas
Sarkozy was more interesting in, and I quote, trumpeting his country's involvement while the U.S. did all the work.
Sir, what's your response to this pointed criticism by the U.S. president, not least of the French?
BERNARD-HENRI LEVY, AUTHOR: He was obviously wrong when he put the blame on others. And he's obviously right when he puts the blame on himself, on
all of us.
What happens today is a failure of the leadership from behind. You cannot conduct such an
affair, which was the Libya upsurge and revolution, from behind. This was a mistake. And he's perfectly correct when he says that there is now a
real work of nation building to do.
Democracy does not come out of the blue. It came out of blue two times in history, democracy. Once was America, United States of America, two
centuries and a half ago. The other was Israel, 68 years ago. Except these two cases, democracy never comes from the sky.
It is a passioned, long, difficult work and we failed to help this work to be done.
ANDERSON: One expert commentator on Libya told me earlier today that the breakup of the country is imminent and the irony is that western powers
will have been the orchestrater. The west's plan for Libya, he said, is now in final meltdown.
That is a damming indictment, wouldn't you say?
LEVY: No. What is true it that it is five minutes to midnight, because it is the last moment to try something and to achieve something. This is
What is obvious also is that I see written here state of chaos in Libya. It is not really chaos. Compare Libya to Syria. Libya, where we
intervened, we, Europeans, Americans, Abu Dhabi, we intervened, compare that to Syria where we did not intervene.
In Syria, it is real chaos. In Syria, it is hundreds of thousands of dead. And in Syria it is ISIS all over the place.
In Libya, there is some spot of ISIS. It's very different.
The result of non-intervention much worse...
ANDERSON: With respect, have you been to Libya recently?
LEVY: I have been to Libya, yes. Recently, one year ago I went back to Libya for a few hours. Yes, I know that.
And you have just to compare to Syria. Syria is really hell on earth. Syria is really a complete blast.
Libya is not ideal, because again, it was a failure but not as much as Syria.
I don't think anybody is suggesting that, but there is a state of chaos or total mess in Libya at present.
Listen, this is partly fueling the migrant crisis, of course, that affects all of Europe. It's the point of departure for many of the migrants and
refugees who head for European shores. The lawlessness allows human traffickers to thrive and prey on people willing to risk death at sea for
the chance of a better life.
On Monday, Libya's coast guard rescued more than 100 migrants from an overcrowded dinghy that was about to sink.
What was the answer, sir? You championed western intervention. Given an opportunity to suggest what might happen next, what would you say?
LEVY: Wait a minute, the technical point of departure might be Libya but the political point for departure for migrants is Syria. More than half of
those of the candidates to immigration comes from Syria and are escaping the chaos in Syria, escaping Bashar al-Assad (inaudible). This is reality.
Now technically some of them go from Libya.
ANDERSON: Okay. Right. With respect, technically you say some go from Libya. Thousands and thousands and thousands. I don't think we should be
arguing about whether it is a point of departure from migrants into Europe, because quite frankly it is.
The point is what should happen next?
LEVY: What should happen next? We should help the people of the west, of Misrata (ph), of Tripoli, of (inaudible). We should help them to control
their sea border. We should help them with logistics to prevent these -- to prevent these criminals who make the people go through. This is a
political and a technical issue.
What I see today, the new government coalition directed by the UN, this is a good step. This is the beginning of a new step. And this is good.
We lost three years. At the end of the day, thanks to the UN, thanks to some Arab countries, especially Emirates, and thanks to maybe some
countries in Europe, we are processing in the good direction, which is to close the border to criminals and which is also, by
the way, to begin to solve the problem in Syria, which is the hottest spot in the area today.
And I think I have to say that I think the jury and I think many people would agree with me the
jury is out so far as whether UN-backed GNA, as it is known, is really the way forward. But sir, thank you, and we'll talk again.
The state of Libya, an analysis from Bernard-Henri Levy.
Activists say Turkey has a poor record when it comes to freedom of the press. Now, the Turkish president wants to go after a comedian beyond
Turkey's borders. He's filed a legal complaint against a German comedian over a satirical poem about him.
Turkey's crackdown in the media has raised concerns in Europe but will it jeopardize relations?
Phil Black has that.
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Ferries disembark those who failed to achieve their dream of starting a new life in Europe. The
European Union says it's comfortable with this, shipping migrants from Greece back to Turkey, because Turkey, it says, is a safe country.
But there's much Europe and Turkey openly disagree on when it comes to human rights, like the fate of Turkish journalist Can Dundar.
CAN DUNDAR, JOURNALIST: I was accused of being a spy. For which country I still do not
BLACK: Dundar's paper ran stories revealing Turkey's government was sending weapons to fighters across the border in Syria. Turkish president
Recep Tayyip Erdogan said those responsible for the reporting would pay a heavy price.
DUNDAR: With about our security, of course, as a public, Turkish public. And Turkish public had the right to know that. So it was our duty to
publish that story.
BLACK: Your president disagrees.
DUNDAR: Yeah. I mean, he hates criticism, any kind of criticism.
BLACK: Dundar and his colleague, Urdum Gul (ph) are now on trial for charges, including espionage and helping terrorists. Convictions could
mean multiple life sentences.
European countries have signaled their concerns about the case bysending diplomats to watch in
court. Britain's counsel general even posted a selfie with Dundar.
President Erdogan responded furiously.
"Who are you? What business do you have there?" He demanded of the diplomats. He siad, "it's not their country. They're overstepping their
limits, and can only move to the consulates, quote, subject to permission.
Then there was the satirical song aired by a German TV show mocking Erdogan for his Syria policies, palaces and willingness to prosecute journalists.
Germany's ambassador was summoned for a dressing down. Germany's response: free expression is nonnegotiable.
And there's another free speech issue European officials are worried about, more than 1,800 people here have been charged with the crime of insulting
Turkey is a long-standing candidate to join European Union. One of the conditions of the
migrant deal is to speed up that process. It looks like an increasingly difficult path. Turkey is frequently accused of violating fundamental
The critics say the EU is compromised, that it's deliberately softening its criticism, because it needs Turkey's help to enforce the deportation
DUNDAR: And Europe is unfortunately sacrificed their ideals for their daily interests.
BLACK: Europe's key interest is dissuading migrants from crossing the Aegean. That means struggling to keep Turkey close even while
disagreements on human rights threaten to drive them farther apart.
Phil Black, CNN, Istanbul.
ANDERSON: Well, Turkey ranks 149 out of 180 countries on the World Press Freedom Index. The top three: Finland, Norway, and Denmark. The bottom
three, Turkmenistan, North Korea, and Eritrea.
According to the committee to protect journalists, there are 14 journalists in prisoned in Turkey as of December. That is the third highest after
China and Egypt.
The latest world news headlines just ahead. Plus...
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[11:30:04] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My father was a warrior with the mujahedeen and he was a doctor as well as a fighter with them. And my uncle
(inaudible) with the Taliban when they took over Afghanistan. Literally, almost every family in Afghanistan had someone in the Taliban. The Taliban
was made of ordinary people.
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ANDERSON: I'll be joined by a refugee from Afghanistan who had to flee when he was just 12 years old. His incredible story is just ahead. We are
taking a very short break. Back after this.
ANDERSON: Well, to Lebanon now where an Australian television crew is in the middle of a custody battle that could land them in jail. Channel 9
Australia says members of its "60 minutes" production crew have been charged with kidnapping and assault.
Now, this comes after two children were the subject of an alleged abduction by their Australian mother in Beruit last week.
CNN's Jon Jensen has been following the developments and joins me now here in Abu Dhabi. How did this happen, Jon?
JON JENSEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Becky, it's a child custody battle between an Australian woman and a Lebanese man that has turned into a diplomatic
incident and is making front page news in both these countries.
It started about a week ago when security in Beruit picked up nine people under suspicion that
they were plotting an attempted kidnapping.
Now, the two people kidnapped really at the heart of this story, two young children age 4 and age 6. Their mother was arrested as part of this
alleged kidnapping plot, also detained two Brits, two Lebanese and four other Australians.
These four other Australians were members of a TV crew from 9 Network in Australia, the "60
minutes" program. What they were doing at the scene of the incident we still don't know. There are a number of allegations swirling.
What we do know is that the children are both safe. They are right now with their father. And as you mentioned, at least four from that entire
nine will be charged and possibly facing kidnapping.
ANDERSON: Remarkable story. All right, Jon, thank you for that. We are going to Washington now where U.S. President Barack Obama is announcing the
creation of a new monument there to mark women's equality. Let's listen in.
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ANDERSON: President Obama dedicating a new monument to women's equality.
I will leave you with this before we take a short break, women in the United States earn just 79 percent of what men make. That's the reality on
this equal pay day, a day that highlights the salary gap between the sexes.
April 12 is the day when a woman's earnings have finally caught up with what men were paid the previous year. The salary gap has been shrinking
slowly, but surely, but some experts predict women in the United States won't earn equal pay until 2059.
Well, Korea coaches say one person in the pay gap exists -- or one reason the pay gap exists because women simply aren't as effective at asking for a
Clare Sebastian and Samuel Burke put their negotiating skills to the test.
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN MONEY: It's that moment many of us dread.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY: And some of us look forward to.
SEBASTIAN: The long walk to the bosses office to ask that crucial question.
BOTH: Can I have a raise?
SEBASTIAN: Last year, Glamour magazine found 57 percent of women have never asked for a raise.
BURKE: Compared to just 46 percent of men.
SEBASTIAN: We wanted to find out why. So Samuel and I are submitting ourselves to an experiment.
BURKE: So, we invited a top New York career coach to the CNN offices, and she's going to pretend to be our boss as we do some mock salary
SEBASTIAN: And we're going to see who performs best.
ELIZABETH CRANISE MCLAUGHLIN, EXECUTIVE COACH: The reality is that men have been conditioned to negotiate, because they were earners and because
their value has been equated to the amount of money that they bring in, whereas we have not over the course of history.
BURKE: For the experiment we are using our real jobs, CNN journalists.
SEBASTIAN: And of course our real personalities.
BURKE: Everything else is based on general aspects of this industry.
MCLAUGHLIN: Hi .
SEBASTIAN: How are you?
MCLAUGHLIN: I'm good. How are you.
BURKE: Hey, boss. Good to see you.
MCLAUGHLIN: Good to see you.
What can I do for you today?
BURKE: Well, I've been going over some of the numbers with HR...
SEBASTIAN: Right from the start, the difference is stark.
MCLAUGHLIN: Scattered eye contact. And your body language was sort of hanging back a bit. And the wringing of the hands.
Sam came in very forcefully. He was face forward here. Strong spine. Very confident in the way that he projected his ask.
Generally, the raise that we give to everyone every year for good performance is 3 percent.
BURKE: We both decided to ask for more than 3 percent, the average pay rise across major U.S. employers this year.
SEBASTIAN: We didn't tell each other exactly how much more.
So, I wanted to discuss whether we could look at perhaps a slightly higher than average increase this year, maybe around 6 percent.
BURKE: I really think that a 10 percent raise would be reflected of the type of work that I've been doing.
MCLAUGHLIN: It's an issue, because most women will come in and negotiate at their bottom line. If you do not come in at higher than what you want,
there's nowhere to meet in the middle.
[11:50:06] SEBASTIAN: So first, you start high.
BURKE: Then you have to justify it.
It's the sponsorships that I've brought in for the company. The segments that I have been doing
have been bringing in more money continuously than any of the other people in our group.
SEBASTIAN: I've been mentoring a lot of the younger members of the team. I'm helping them to kind of discover their own talent.
While, I talked about what HR execs talked about soft skills.
BURKE: I went straight for the bottom line.
MCLAUGHLIN: This is a very standard expected gender differential in the way that men and women negotiate. But when it comes to money, money has to
equal money. And so what you're bringing in really needs to be the first justification.
BURKE: Did we get the raise?
SEBASTIAN: Both of us?
MCLAUGHLIN: Both of you.
BURKE: Different amounts?
MCLAUGHLIN: Different amounts, of course, though, because you didn't give quite enough room.
I could come back and say to him, fine, you're getting six percent. You asked for 10, I got you
6. You probably would have ended up with 5.
SEBASTIAN: Clare Sebastian.
BURKE: And Samuel Burke.
CNN Money, New York.
BURKE: Congratulations on your raise.
SEBASTIAN: Thank you. Well done.
ANDERSON: We're going to be right back after this break and I'll tell you how you can -- or remind you how you can get in touch with us and tell you
-- tell us you thought of that piece and perhaps what you think of gender inequality when it comes to pay. Back after this.
ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me, Becky Anderson, out of Abu Dhabi. It's 54 minutes past 7:00.
To an unusual story. Police in Washington are trying to catch a real live hamburglar. Surveillance video shows the suspect after he sneaked into a
burger restaurant called Five Guys around 3:00 in the morning. He wasn't looking for money but he apparently was hungry.
He casually cooked up a couple of hamburgers while talking on his cellphone. The video has gone viral, but police still looking for the
In our Parting Shots tonight, then, space fans love when the moon and the sun line up together to offer us a chance to take a perfect shot. But what
about two man made spacecraft ling up perfectly and unexpectedly in space.
Well, here is a tweet from British astronaut Tim Peake. He says, quote, I've been waiting to get a picture of The Palms in Dubai, then this
happened just prior to capture #luckyday.
It's was a SpaceX cargo ship called The Dragon that arrived with supplies for the International
Space Station. And it is a picture that is splashed all over the front pages here.
When we talk about The Palms, it is the man made island just off Dubai. If you've ever been to Dubai, you will know what we are talking about. And
this being the spacecraft photo bombed at 400 kilometers high, says the shot.
Well, it's a moment scientists have been waiting for, brain scanning techniques have produced the first ever images of the human brain on LSD.
Before the hippies made it famous, LSD was once used to treat mental disorders. Well, now it's famous for giving people
powerful hallucinations. Take a look at this.
A rainbow of activity in the brain, today more and more scientists are encouraging research like
this, say LSD could still have medical benefits. What do you think? Can a drug go from taboo to
treatment just like that?
Well, give us your opinion on the Facebook page, Facebook.com/cnnconnect. And get in touch with me on Twitter. Tweet me @beckycnn.
I'm Becky Anderson. And that was Connect the World. Thank you for watching.