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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN HOST (voice-over): Tonight: children so desperate to escape, they volunteer to die. Shocking statistics on Boko

Haram's youngest suicide bombers.

Then: too brutal for Afghanistan's hardened Taliban, veteran ISIS defectors speak exclusively to CNN.

And later: as Republicans ahead toward what could be a contested convention this summer, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is expected to

announce this hour that he will not consider the nomination, even if his party wanted to give it to him.

Plus: Led Zeppelin's rock masterpiece under scrutiny, was "Stairway to Heaven" stolen?

Hello, there, I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones, standing in for Hala Gorani, live from CNN London. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.


JONES: We begin with a chilling report showing the desperate tactics being used by one of Africa's most notorious terror groups. UNICEF says Boko

Haram is increasingly using children to carry out suicide attacks. The dramatic rise is being seen in Nigeria, Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

UNICEF reports that three-quarters of all child bombers used by Boko Haram are girls. A Cameroonian army colonel told CNN they can be as young as 8

years old.

Girls who have managed to escape Boko Haram say that, in many cases, children actually volunteer for these suicide missions. For more, let's

bring in CNN's David McKenzie, he spoke to one of those survivors and joins us now live.

David, Boko Haram seemingly losing ground geographically in the region but certainly growing in foot soldiers, in particular, these young foot


How so?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well that's right, Hannah, and it is horrific, isn't it, that these young girls and women are being used by

ISIS-affiliated Boko Haram in that region to carry out attacks.

You know, we use the word "suicide bombers;" in this case, it's often not their choice that they are going to be blowing themselves up. But

remarkably, in Cameroon, we met a young girl, who does tell us why perhaps they would volunteer to put on a suicide belt.


MCKENZIE (voice-over): Fati (ph) wears the jewelry given to her by her mother and the wedding dress from her rapist, the terrorist from Boko


FATI (PH) (through translator): They came to our village with guns and told us they wanted to marry us.

We said, "No, we are too small."

So they married us by force.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): Fati (ph) isn't her real name. We must hide her identity for her safety. She was just 14. And her nightmare was just


Boko Haram took her to Sambisa Forest but their stronghold was under attack.

FATI (PH) (through translator): The jets dropped bombs and bullets on us in the forest all the time. All of the girls were so frightened. All of

them. They always cried. And the men raped us.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): It was full of abducted girls, she says, many from Chibok, living the nightmare with her.

FATI (PH) (through translator): Boko Haram leaders would come to us and ask, "Who wants to do the suicide bomb?"

And the girls would say, "Me, me, me."

They were shouting. They were even fighting to do the suicide bombs.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): At first, Fati (ph) thought that the girls were brainwashed, buying into Boko Haram's brutal jihad.

FATI (PH) (through translator): But it was just because they want to run away from Boko Haram. If they give them a suicide bomb, then maybe they

would meet soldiers and tell them, "I have a bomb on me," and they would remove the bomb. Perhaps they can run away.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): We find Fati (ph) in Minawao refugee camp in far north Cameroon.

As Boko Haram swept through their villages, Nigerians fled here in the thousands. Now the camp is at more than double capacity.

Just beyond those hills is Boko Haram territory. Security officials say the group has infiltrated the camp. Boko Haram often uses abducted

children in their attacks so many here fear young girls the most.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If they see somebody escape from Boko Haram, they feel like they are together with the Boko Haram, is the Boko Haram that

free you to go and do suicide bombs.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): Fati (ph) never volunteered. Her captor --


MCKENZIE (voice-over): -- defected and got arrested near the border.

FATI (PH) (through translator): I was free.

MCKENZIE (voice-over): Now she's reunited with her mother, who traveled days to get here. But Fati (ph) says many others like her are still held

captive in Sambisa, so desperate to flee the forest they will volunteer to die so perhaps they can live.


MCKENZIE: What is horrific about the story isn't just the ordeal of young girls like Fati (ph) but that the whole society has been turned upside

down. Girls and young women should be protected but really they are feared in these parts of West Africa -- Hannah.

JONES: And David, it's coming after two years since the Bring Back Our Girls campaign started, of course, after those 200 girls were kidnapped.

Have any of them returned home in that time?

And if they have, what are the authorities doing about those girls who do get to return home but they're being ostracized from their communities now

because there is this fear that they may be Boko Haram operatives?

MCKENZIE: Well, certainly to answer the second part of your question, any girl that is released from Boko Haram or escapes because of military

squeezing out the terrorist group, they are often stigmatized and feared.

And so there's a lot of education that needs to be going on, to really say that once these girls are out, they are victims. They are not perpetrators

of crimes. They are too young and they've been forced to do these things because of their circumstances.

There have been none of those girls found yet from Chibok, the more than 200 girls who were taken from their school in Northeast Nigeria. What you

heard from Fati (ph) there, which we touched on in that report, she said scores of the Chibok girls were with her in the forest, in her unit of Boko


But no one knows really where all of them are or how many of them are still alive -- Hannah.

JONES: David McKenzie, thank you so much for that report.

That's David, reporting there from Johannesburg.

Well, we turn now from brutal terrorist tactics in Africa to the latest developments on terror out of Europe. Police in Brussels picked up three

more people in connection with the Paris terror attacks from last November.

They have until Wednesday to decide whether to keep them in custody.

In the meantime, two more people have been charged in connection with last month's bombings at the Brussels airport and a metro station. A prosecutor

says the two are linked to an address that was raided over the weekend, which may have been a safe house for some of the bombers.

Now the Taliban have declared the start of their annual spring offensive in Afghanistan. But the war against the Taliban is not the only one the

country is facing.

Despite heavy bombing by U.S. forces, ISIS still holds terrain in the eastern part of the country. And even some Taliban fighters say they are

uneasy with the group's brutality. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh spoke exclusively with two Taliban commanders who joined ISIS but then defected

because of what they saw.


NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SR. INTL. CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Looking for ISIS, in Afghanistan's east, ISIS' radio broadcast of hate was bombed off

air recently by the U.S. But here it's been coming back in the past week.

"It was there three days ago and it's gone again," says one man.

"They were talking nonsense," says another.

"They were asking people to pledge allegiance and march on Kabul," he adds.

This is one broadcast they recorded earlier. ISIS is trying to put down roots here. But every day more Afghans want to tear them up.

And that starts here with Arabistan and Zaitoun. Two months ago, they were (INAUDIBLE) commanders in ISIS.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): They just like beheadings. Think they are good to do.

WALSH (voice-over): ISIS, they say, came from Pakistan, not Iraq, and promised guns and money to their struggling group of Taliban. Their

agenda: black flags, killing and looting, which they did go along with at first.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): (INAUDIBLE) The poor, they would arm to fight for them or kill them.

WALSH (voice-over): It went south fast. And they both remember the moment when.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I remember when they beheaded seven people in the bazaar, including government workers and Pakistani

Taliban. I saw the long strip of wood they did it on, covered in blood. They just threw the bodies away and buried. It was very un-Islamic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The worst memory was if you were killed fighting for them, they wouldn't hand your wife and children to your

predators but put them in a camp.

WALSH (voice-over): ISIS recruit children here, their own videos show another reason the two men work with Afghan intelligence and set up our

interview to get other locals to join an uprising program against ISIS.


WALSH (voice-over): But they say they have lacked government protection and money and that's put potential defectors off. The fight is now just

left to American drones, they say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Drones are doing a good job killing ISIS. They target them as soon as they leave their houses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The government hasn't made any progress in those areas. It's only the bombing that's effective.

WALSH: You were in the Taliban. Then you were in ISIS and now American drones are bombing your own village. But you're pleased about it because

they are killing ISIS.

Is that not a strange feeling for you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It makes us happy. We want them wiped out.

WALSH (voice-over): They're killers themselves who know what they are talking about. Arabistan holds up his cloak. Holes from an American

helicopter attack not long ago when he was Taliban.

ISIS has shattered ordinary lives, too. Across town in a luxury village built for rich people who never came are hundreds of families who fled


Afghanistan, like many nations afflicted by ISIS basically have to battle an idea, a kind of virus that appeals to minds warped after decades of war.

Those in the Taliban, as radical enough an idea, that no matter how hard you battle or bomb it, it's very difficult to completely extinguish.

WALSH (voice-over): Many of their homes are still occupied and much damage is irreversible. They killed this man's brother and then shot him in the

waist as he helped his family escape. He's left unable to provide for them and ISIS still live in their home.

WALSH (voice-over): ISIS' savagery was first glimpsed in Afghanistan in this video, when they lined up opponents and then detonated a bomb below

them. The man who speaks is survived by his nephew, Rustam (ph).

RUSTAM, ISIS VICTIM'S NEPHEW (through translator): My brother called our father to tell him the death was on Facebook. We couldn't bury him as we

didn't have a body. Its pieces are probably still lying where he was blown up.

WALSH (voice-over): Decades of trauma here, yet somehow it gets worse.


JONES: Nick joins us now live from Kabul, Afghanistan, with more on this.

Nick, talk to us about the motivation for these sorts of defections, which is, as far as your report's concerned, certainly seem to be on the rise.

Is it the brutality of ISIS?

Or is it the need for these fighters to always be seen at least to be on the winning side for financial gain or for, indeed, the safety of their own


WALSH: It's hard to tell really whether or not they initially joined ISIS, as you say, because they were losing in Taliban rivalry infighting.

There's been a lot of that in the past year or potentially also because the Pakistanis who came across the border were better armed and better financed

and just seemed like they would be more effective on the battlefield.

But the reason for defecting, it does seem to be partially ideological and perhaps also, too, they mention some sort of nationalistic sentiments that

the Pakistanis and ISIS running the show were saying go back to Afghanistan, when they got their training in Pakistan, go back to

Afghanistan, kill Afghans, attack them.

It seemed to them perhaps like that wasn't fitting even the Taliban's model of Afghanistan for Afghans; that could be some motivation, too, but also I

think there was an element of them being sickened by some of the violence they noticed there.

These aren't gentle men, as you said, you know. They fought for the Taliban at length and kind of giggle at times as they talk about their

military history but it did seem there was something about how ISIS behaved that repulsed them -- Hannah.

JONES: And, Nick, we said in the introduction to this that the spring offensive is now underway by the Taliban. They threatened earlier a rise

in suicide attacks.

Is that the most productive, effective, if you like, method for militants now operating in Afghanistan, to use these suicide attacks?

WALSH: We've seen a lot of those over the past 10 years or so. So there's no real change in that particular tactic. Yes, it's more prevalent; It's

easier to get closer targets if the person driving the bomb is willing to die themselves.

But the key issue now is the Taliban's ability to take more territory. That is what we're seeing in the southern province of Helmand, the biggest

one in the country. They're taking a lot of ground there and took total control of a third of it, a third of its districts, I should say.

The issue really is how Afghan army and security forces fare in the months ahead. They had a record loss of 5,500 men, that's police and military

last year. That's way more than the NATO campaign lost in an entire decade. It set them back for this year, it's set the U.S. training of new

Afghan soldiers back as well.

And at the same time, too, the need to quash ISIS quickly in the east, well, that's sapped U.S. airpower and drones, Afghan security budgets as

well. And it's also actually put the Taliban into the fight there, too.

So a lot of swirling violence here, competing sides but, above all, a broad sense that, yes, as this, quote "fighting seasons" begin, people wonder

what's next. We've already had a very violent past few months with the Taliban advancing. People are concerned they could do way more much faster

now that they've officially begun their operations -- Hannah.

JONES: Yes, worrying statistics indeed. Nick Paton Walsh, live for us in Kabul --


JONES: -- thank you.


JONES: Turn our attention now to the U.S. presidential race. Paul Ryan, the top Republican in the House of Representatives, says he wants to end

the speculation once and for all. He will not run for president, no matter who may try to enlist him at the GOP convention this summer.

Ryan's name has been thrown around as a possible nominee if, indeed, Donald Trump or Ted Cruz fail to win enough delegates heading into the convention.

Ryan himself is getting ready to speak any minute now in Washington, he's at the Republican National Committee headquarters. We will bring you his

remarks live as soon as they come in.

Ryan's announcement should be welcome news for Donald Trump; the Republican front-runner has been railing against the nominating process, warning his

party that it could face some big problems if it tries to undercut him at the convention in July.

Let's get more on this now from Jason Carroll, who is live at a Trump rally in Rome, New York, for us.

Mr. Trump has been so critical, hasn't he, very recently as well of the party rules. Presumably he's celebrating the news then that Paul Ryan is

not in the running.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, far be it for me to try to predict what Donald Trump celebrates or doesn't.

As you know, he's a very hard man to predict what he will do and what he will say but when it comes to Paul Ryan and his decision, as you heard, he

will, in fact, when he speaks very shortly, he will say that he will not allow his name to be put into the nomination if it gets to the point where

there is a contested convention.

And, you know, that's really going to be disappointing to, I think, a number of Republicans and for several reasons, namely because, as you know,

this has been a very contested race, bad feelings on both sides of this, with many of the candidates still in the race between Kasich and Cruz and


And I think a lot of people saw Paul Ryan as the type of man who can build bridges. He has that reputation of being able to appeal to both

conservatives and moderates, so I definitely think it's going to be disappointing to those people.

Now whether or not it's according to Donald Trump, that remains to be seen. I mean, Donald Trump is a man who will tell anyone that he feels as though

he is the best choice to be president. And I think Donald Trump would be the person who would say no one can beat him -- Hannah.

JONES: And Jason, given the fact that you are at a Trump rally right now, while we're waiting to hear from Paul Ryan, tell us a little bit about what

we can expect from tonight's town hall, Donald Trump being joined by his family for that.

What can we expect?

CARROLL: Yes, he will be joined by his family for that town hall. That's going to be airing on CNN later on tonight. As for the rally here, I think

we're going to be hearing some of what we heard yesterday. As you know, he's very upset, very angry at the GOP nominating system, which he says

shut out Trump supporters there in the state of Colorado.

As you know, Colorado doesn't have a primary or a caucus like most states here in the United States. They have their own convention, if you will, to

appoint delegates then. So he's very upset, saying he was shut out of that process but a number of GOP insiders say, look, he didn't do his homework,

he didn't have the ground game that Ted Cruz has and if he was shut out, it's his own fault.

So I think you might hear some of that anger here again tonight. Here is some of that criticism against Ted Cruz.

What might be interesting in terms of the town hall later on tonight, what you might hear is some of that talk about possible running mates. As you

know, Donald Trump said that he would consider John Kasich; former rival, Senator Marco Rubio; also former rival, Colorado -- excuse me -- Wisconsin

Governor Scott Walker as possible running mates.

Two of those men already weighing in, Walker and both Kasich saying, if that were to happen, they simply would not be interested.

JONES: And just for a little bit more about what we can expect tonight, he's already mentioned that Donald Trump is being particularly critical

about the nominating process and the rules within the GOP. But his own children aren't able to vote for him in the state of New York. Just

explain where that hiccup happened.

CARROLL: Yes, yes, that's sort of a sore point, I think, with the family. Obviously they wanted to vote for him but they missed the deadline in terms

of registering to vote here in the state of New York.

So, unfortunately, both of them have already admitted that they didn't get their paperwork in on time. And so will not be able to vote in the

primaries. So that's certainly going to be disappointing.

I think what some people are hoping for, too, is with his family being there, to get some sort -- a different side of Donald Trump. He does, as

you know, have this reputation of being -- of not playing and not being very presidential. As you know, both his wife and his daughter have both

told him on several occasions --


CARROLL: -- try to be more presidential when you get up there and you're addressing rallies like the one we're about to have here. Try and be more

presidential where you're having these town halls and addressing the press. So perhaps at this point we'll get some more insight into the family

dynamic going on there -- Hannah.

JONES: Jason Carroll, thanks so much, reporting there from a very live rally in Rome, New York, for us.

Stay with us on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. we are going to be bringing you full coverage of Paul Ryan's comments. He's going to be speaking at the

Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington. He's expected to say that he's ruling himself out of (INAUDIBLE) Republican nomination in

that presidential race.

We will bring you all of his remarks, coming up after this break.




JONES: Welcome back to THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. We are about to hopefully bring you the remarks from Paul Ryan, the House Speaker, who is expected to

say that he will not be standing for the Republican Party nomination for president. That is him actually going to the podium right now. So let's

take a listen in.




JONES: OK, well that was the U.S. Republican House Speaker, Paul Ryan, declaring that he is not going to be the nominee for the Republican Party

for this year's presidential election in the United States.

We were expecting him to say that; he has just confirmed that emphatically. I'm joined now by the Republican strategist, Lisa Boothe.

Lisa, your reaction first of all.

Did you think he was sincere in what he was saying?

LISA BOOTHE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I do think he's sincere but I'm not quite sure if it's going to completely quash the rumors. This is the first

time Republicans could face a contested convention in about 40 years. So there's a lot of newness to this process.

With that potentially facing a contested convention, so I think we're going to see a billion different rumors, a billion different hypothetical

scenarios that people are going to talk about over the course of the next couple of months here.

JONES: He made a big point of saying that politics at the moment is too much about personality, not enough about policy. Pointedly, I thought, he

said in that speech, not running does not mean that I'm going to disappear.

Aside from taking the moral high ground, do you think this is maybe a pitch for I'm not going to run this time but I might next?

BOOTHE: Well, absolutely. Look, I believe he's 46 years old, so he's still incredibly young. He has got a very bright future in the Republican

Party as evidenced by the fact that his name has even been thrown in the hat among the different speculations and the hypothetical scenarios that

are going to be played out.

So I think that's a testament to the fact that he does have a very bright future in the Republican Party. And even just the fact that he was really

the only guy for the job as Speaker of the House. So I mean I think right now what he's doing, he's focused on his job, he's focused on setting the

Republican agenda and just the agenda at large for the House of Representatives. And that's where its focus needs to be.

JONES: He, of course, says he doesn't want to fracture the party anymore especially ahead of the convention in July, but there have been so many

twists and turns so far in the race, do you think that he really means it when he says that no ifs, no buts, I'm not going to be the nominee for this

time around?

Or is there still a chance that, if enough of the party bigwigs get behind him and the big donors as well, that he could still throw his name into the


BOOTHE: I think the likelihood -- I think his intention is that he doesn't want to run. He does make a valid point, and I think what's really

important is making the point of look, I decided not to run. So therefore, I should be eliminated from the process.

And I think that's a really fair point and that's where really the focus of the Republican Party should be. It should be on the remaining contenders,

the individuals that chose to run, the individuals that have been part of the process.

That being said, as I mentioned, this was the first time in 40 years Republicans are facing a contested convention. And there is the reality

and the possibility of, if this goes past a second ballot, if this goes past a third ballot, then you get into territory where people's names could

be entered and, you know, the possibility that potentially his name gets thrown in the hat, so who knows, we're going to have to wait to see how

this process plays out.

But, as of right now, there's still also the possibility that Donald Trump reaches the 1,237 delegates that's needed to clinch the nomination. So

there is just so many different scenarios that could possibly play out between now and the possibility of a contested convention in July.


JONES: And Lisa, just briefly, presumably Donald Trump in particular, but also Ted Cruz, John Kasich, pretty pleased that Ryan's ruled himself out.

BOOTHE: Well yeah, absolutely. I mean look they're looking at Paul Ryan and saying hey, I've been here all along right, they've been part of the

process, they've been putting in the effort, you know the blood, sweat, and tears, running for president is not for the faint of heart. I mean, there's

no sleep, you're on the road every day. It's grueling, just the level of scrutiny that you're facing both from the media, from voters. It is an

incredibly exhausting process. So yes, I think they're absolutely happy with the fact that he is taking himself out of the conversation.

JONES: Lisa Boothe, thanks so much for your analysis of the situation, we appreciate it.

Stay with us here on "The World Right Now." We've just heard confirmation from Paul Ryan, the house speaker that he does not want, nor will he accept

the nomination for the Republican Party. Plenty more news coming up after this break.


JONES: Welcome back. Boko Haram militants are increasingly using children as suicide bombers.


JONES: That's according to a new report from UNICEF. It finds that dozens of children were used in suicide attacks in 2015. That is a ten-fold

increase from the year before.


JONES: The U.S. House speaker Paul Ryan says count me out.


JONES: Just moments ago he stressed that he will not be a late entry to the Republican race for President.

Ryan is hoping to put months of speculation to rest. He was considered a favorite among some in the Republican establishment who don't support

either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.


JONES: U.S. Health officials say the Zika situation in the U.S. is worse than previously thought.


JONES: They said Mosquitoes that can carry Zika have now spread to 30 states and the virus is now linked to more birth defects.


JONES: A warning from the International Monetary Fund over global growth and a possible "brexit."

It has just lowered its forecast and now puts economic growth for 2016 at just 3.2%. The IMF's warning that momentum is ever slowing and increasingly

fragile. And that's been affected by a number of issues. Including the possibility that Britain could leave the European Union.


JONES: Well let's take a look and see if that prediction is affecting the market, you can see everything there currently on the up at the moment,

17,731, up 175 points. I want to bring in Paula Newton within more on this.


JONES: The warning from the IMF is this just fear of the unknown or is there actually hard evidence of a negative affect if Britain does choose to

leave the E.U.?


PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think even those who are leading the program to try and leave the E.U., you know, look, this is uncertainty.

Markets always hate uncertainty. And you don't know that that's going to be catastrophic, but those are the facts and that's exactly what the IMF is

saying. You know Maurice Obstfeld who is the chief economist there, he had a lot of different concerns and Hannah, you and I can add something else to

our lexicon here or technical lexicon, , synchronized slowdown is what they're really afraid of.

And you see they're setting up a position where you have the bricks in trouble, countries like Russia and Brazil not doing well. You have the U.S.

recovery or economy, we're still not sure exactly how healthy it is.


NEWTON: Turmoil in China in terms of how they go through a lot of the structural reforms they're going through. And yes, that brings us to

Britain and Europe. And when you look at all that political uncertainty, he was very clear that this is really concerning them. Take a listen.

MAURICE OBSTFELD, IMF CHIEF ECONOMIST: Everything we know from economics tells us that less uncertainty is better and certainly now is weighing on

the growth of the British economy. If there is a vote to leave the E.U., there will be a protracted negotiation with Britain's trade status quite

uncertain not only within Europe but worldwide. So, it's hard to believe that that will be a big positive for the British economy.


NEWTON: Hannah, what he's really concerned about there as well is the affect it'll have on the rest of Europe. Perhaps after a few quarters,

Britain will be just fine, thank you very much but that doesn't mean that it is the best thing for the European economy right now. Especially given

all of the crisis they're dealing with on their borders, Hannah?


JONES: OK. Paula Newton, thanks so much for a rundown of where we are with "brexit" at the moment and of course the global impact as well with the

market. Thank you.


JONES: The Australian T.V. Channel 9 says its crew has been charged with kidnapping and assault in Lebanon.


JONES: The crew allegedly been involved in an attempt to kidnap two children. We're currently showing you the pictures of that attempt that

took place last week. The Australian mother of the children was also arrested after she tried to, and I quote, "rescue her children" from their

Lebanese father. It's currently unclear what role the television crew has played in that dispute.


JONES: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has filed a lawsuit against a German comedian, Jan Bohmermann.


JONES: Bohmermann read on German T.V. an obscene poem that referred to the Turkish President. German law prohibits insulting representatives of

foreign countries, so he could now face up to three years in prison. But this is just one of many cases initiated by the Turkish government.


JONES: As Phil Black reports there are growing concerns over the freedom of speech in Turkey even as the country tries to strengthen its cooperation

with the European Union.


PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ferries disembark those who fail to achieve the dream of starting a new life in Europe. The European Union says it's

comfortable with this. Shipping migrants from Greece back to Turkey. Because Turkey it says is a safe country. But there's much Europe and

Turkey openly disagree when it comes to human rights. Like the fate of Turkish journalist, Can Dundar .

CAN DUNDAR, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, CUMHURIYET: I was accused of being a spy. For which country, I don't know.

BLACK: Dundar's paper ran stories revealing Turkey's government was sending weapons to fighters across the border in Syria. Turkish President Recep

Tayyip Erdogan said those responsible for the reporting would pay a heavy price.

DUNDAR: It was about our security, of course, as a public. Turkish public had the right to know that, so it was our duty to publish that story.

BLACK: Your President disagrees.

DUNDAR: Yes, I mean he hates criticism, any kind of criticism.

BLACK: Dundar and colleague Erdem Gul are now on trial for charges including espionage and helping terrorists. Convictions could mean multiple

life sentences. European countries have signaled their concerns about the case by sending diplomats to watch in court. Britain's Consult General even

posted a selfie with Dundar. President Erdogan responded furiously.

Who are you? What business do you have there he demanded of the diplomats. He said it's not their country, they're overstepping their limits and could

only move beyond the consulate "subject to permission." Then there was this satirical song aired by a German T.V. show mocking Erdogan for his Syria

policies, palaces and willingness to prosecute journalists.

Germany's ambassador was summoned for a dressing down. Germany's response, free expression is nonnegotiable. And there's another free speech issue

European officials are worried about. More than 1800 people here have been charged with the crime of insulting the President.


BLACK: Turkey is a long standing candidate to join the European Union. One of the conditions can of the migrant deal is to speed up that process. It

looks like an increasingly difficult part. Turkey is frequently accused of violating fundamental European values. The critics say the E.U. is

compromised, that its deliberately softening its criticism because it needs Turkey's help to enforce the deportation agreement.

DUNDAR: Europe is unfortunately sacrifice their ideals for their daily interests.

BLACK: Europe's key interest is dissuading migrants from crossing the Aegean. That means struggling to keep Turkey close, even while disagreement

on human rights threaten to drive them further apart.

Phil Black, CNN, Istanbul.


JONES: Just ahead on the program, teenager in the West Bank tells CNN what motivated her to leave home with a knife intending to stab Israeli



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hate that we have for them is our motivation. They are killing us everywhere. I can't accept what is happening to my country.

Many guys are killed while walking, no one can accept that.

JONES: We'll hear a firsthand account of what's behind an outbreak of violence by young Palestinians.



JONES: Welcome back. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there has been a significant decline in Palestinian attacks against Israelis, but

he warns that Israel must not let down its guard. 28 Israelis have been killed in knife attacks and other violence since October of last year. The

conflict may have slipped from the headlines, but a debate continues to rage over responsibility and indeed motivation.

CNN's Oren Lieberman spoke with a Palestinian teenager involved in the surge of violence.


OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: On the streets of Bethlehem, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict doesn't erupt, it repeats. Clashes today echo

clashes from past decades. Israelis firing tear gas, rubber bullets, Palestinians throwing stones and wearing masks. But the faces behind those

masks appear younger now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (As translated) I am here to defend my country. I want to throw stones at the soldiers. My parents don't know I'm here. I am not


LIEBERMANN: A no man's land of drifting tear gas and burning tires separates the two sides. Now that separation has all but vanished as some

Palestinians barely teenagers have put down rocks and picked up knives. But why? Why would a young teenager carry out a stabbing attack when it could

mean they never come home?

(Reema Sanad) a 37-year-old mother of five from Bethlehem says it was her recurring nightmare.

REEMA SANAD, MOTHER: (As translated) I always saw the children that went for the attacks. They were the same age, like my daughter, (Sabrin). Some

want to be famous and some want revenge. The want the curiosity of living the experience of taking part in the intifada.


LIEBERMANN: Sanad's nightmare came true, on December 1st caught on cell phone video, her daughter, 13-year-old Sabrin left school and walked to a

check point where Israeli soldiers found a knife in her backpack. Sabrin spent a month in military prison after pleading guilty to carrying a knife.

We meet her back at home doing her school work. She has dreams of becoming a journalist. I asked her, why she did it.

SABRIN SANAD: (As translated) I was not concentrating on anything. Not playing or even doing homework. I was only watching (inaudible) T.V. I saw

all those guys and girls doing what they do and I want to do the same for my country.

LIEBERMANN: (Inaudible) T.V. is Hamas T.V. It calls for more attacks on Israelis, hailing the perpetrators as heroes, it's on during our visit. Her

21-year-old brother doesn't approve and turns it off. But the language of hate has seeped into Sabrin's vocabulary.

SANAD: The hate that we have for them is our motivation. They are killing us everywhere. I can't accept what is happening to my country. Many guys

are killed while walking. No one can accept that. Because we love Palestine and we want to defend it.

LIEBERMANN: Sabrin will not accept her mother's explanation. That violence sets back the exact cause she's trying to support.

SANAD: (As translated) Let's say that you went out and stabbed a soldier and killed him, what did you do? You did nothing. You've ruined the

situation more. This is exactly what Israel wants. The occupation wants to say to the world, look, they are stabbing us and killing us, we are in

danger. And suddenly, everything is the opposite. Those who are oppressed and under occupation are terrorists and the occupation that is actually

killing us with the siege every day is the victim.

LIEBERMANN: Fadi Al-Ghoul is trying a different approach. A performance mixing in humor and emotion based on his own story. His mother was killed

in the Israel Lebanon war in 1982.

FADI AL-GHOUL, PREVENTION ARTIST: We need to show those children that the resistance has many other ways that I believe in as a human being as an

artist and as Fadi the father. I do believe that there are many ways of resistance that we can use.

LIEBERMANN: Al-Ghoul speaks to the memory of his mother. He promises to make her proud. He promises to live.

AL-GHOUL: (As translated) If you really love Palestine, take care of yourself. Don't put yourself in danger. Your soul is so dear to us all.

Resist with all the tools you have, but keep yourself safe for your country.

LIEBERMANN: One young girl in the audience who lost her mother breaks down in tears. Al-Ghoul's message she hopes has gotten through.

He reaches out to the young, those most likely to carry out attacks. 70% of Palestinian attackers against Israeli civilians and soldiers have been

between the ages of 16 and 25 according to the Israeli military. Another 10% were even younger. Israelis called the wave of attacks terrorism.

Palestinians call it resistance. It is a cycle that has not yet been broken.

PETER LERNER, ISRAELI MILITARY SPOKESMAN: At the end of the day, we are left with a reality on the ground of extreme violence which is encouraged,

embraced, and glorified by the society. Whatever reason they feel it be this is the result.

LIEBERMANN: Palestinian describe a different reality, one of suspicion and humiliations from Israeli soldiers. Psychologists speak of trauma.

TAWFEEK SALMAN, PSYCHOLOIST: Many of the those kids told me, look Doctor, now you want to try to help us here in your office, but when -- while we

are going back home, the Israeli will stop us, will humiliate us again. We will forget your advices. We will go home with the last trauma where there

are small kids they have to go to their school -- to go to their school, to go to play, to express themselves not with the knives, not with the stones.

LIEBERMANN: They should be kids.

SALMAN: They should be kids.

LIEBERMANN: The West Bank where for Palestinian children, the challenge is just to stay children.

Oren Liebermann, CNN, Bethlehem.


JONES: If you are just tuning in our way, you're watching "The World Right Now" with me Hannah Vaughan Jones standing in for Hala Gorani and we will

have plenty more headlines coming up after this break.



JONES: Welcome back. We're going to give you a reminder now of the news we brought you earlier this hour. This is the latest on Paul Ryan, he's the

Republican house speaker, of course, no if's and's or but's about it, and no chance for a change of heart, he said he's ruling himself out of the

nomination for the party for President. He says he didn't campaign for the Presidency, so he will not accept being drafted as his party's nominee at

any brokered convention. Take a listen.


REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), HOUSE SPEAKER: So let me be clear, I do not want nor will I accept the nomination for our party. So let me speak directly to the

delegates on this, if no candidate has a majority on the first ballot, I believe that you should only choose from a person who has actually

participated in the primary. Count me out. I simply believe that if you want to be the nominee for our party, to be the President, you should

actually run for it. I chose not to do this, therefore, I should not be considered, period, end of story.


JONES: (Inaudible) is no doubt and welcomed news for Donald Trump the party front runner at the moment. He and his family will appear on stage for

CNN's Republican town hall in a matter of hours. It's part three of a series featuring each of the remaining Republican candidates in New York

hosted by CNN's Anderson Cooper and it airs Wednesday, 2:00 a.m. in London.

Now what if one of the most famous passages in rock music was a rip-off. That's what a U.S. jury will now have to decide.

A lawsuit claims the famed opening of Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" was actually lifted from another band? Well we want to know what you think,

here's the Led Zeppelin guitar solo.


[Music Playing]


JONES: Now the lawsuit itself was filed by the state of a song writer for the American rock band, Spirit. For your comparison, here's the opening of

their song, "Taurus."


[Music Playing]


JONES: Sounds pretty similar to me. Well members of the Led Zeppelin are not commenting on the latest development, but in the past the guitarist,

Jimmy Page has called all of these claims ridiculous.

Paul Vercammen has been digging into the story for us we and joins me now live from Los Angeles. Paul, it sounded pretty similar to me, then, just

listening to it, but strip this back for us, if you will. To the untrained ear, the untrained eye, what will this trial, this court case sound and

look like?

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They tend to be rather bombastic just like a rock concert. You've got a very hyperbolic lawyer on the side of

Randy California, he is the Spirit singer/song writer/guitarist who allegedly he says wrote this riff that he says Led Zeppelin ripped off.



VERCAMMEN: And he says all he wants it for Randy Wolfe, or Randy California to get credit, but there's a financial piece to that. Song writers do get

paid royalties whenever these songs are paid. So you now have Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" as you said, one of the most iconic songs

in rock history, allegedly being stolen. And on the flip side, let's look at the defendant's memorandum.

Led Zeppelin, through their lawyers coming out strong against Spirit and their lawyers saying, "that this is just frivolous among other things, they

say that the pleadings of the plaintiff rely on gossip, and hearsay, and hyperbole. Also both sides, experts agree that the composition share a

centuries old descending chromatic line."

And talking to another musician here in California on background, he says this would set a dangerous precedent because he said in some ways, it's

almost like saying that someone stole the blues or some cords.


VERCAMMEN: Now the judge said in all this you should note Hannah that the similarities transcend this core structure, obviously we're digging deep

into nuances, but all of this will play out when they go to Trial in May, Hannah.

JONES: Paul, we've seen a couple of these similar cases recently, but nearly 40 years on.


JONES: Why has it taken so long for this particular argument to be battled out in court?

VERCAMMEN: Well, it was more a case of them wanting to get credit for Randy California. Believing that he was a singer song writer who deserved his due

and in the past they just hadn't marshaled the resources to take it to court. And of course it was Friday they got that blessing from the judge to

go ahead and proceed.


VERCAMMEN: And you mention these other cases, I'm sure they were heartened by recent decisions. Number one you might recall there was the "blurred

lines" case.


VERCAMMEN: This was Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams, basically being sued for allegedly stealing the riffs from a Marvin Gaye song. And then

don't forget Tom Petty and Sam Smith, now they settled out of court over Tom Petty's "won't back down" and "stay with me" by Sam Smith. So you've

got a lot of cases recently that might have a --

JONES: Paul, we have to leave it there. Thank you so much for your thoughts. You've been watching "The World Right Now" thanks so much for

joining me, "Quest Means Business" is up next.