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Democratic Debate Tonight in New York; Coverage of the Presidential Race; Sanders Appeals to Black Voters. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired April 14, 2016 - 12:00   ET

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[12:00:00] DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Not all of them, but a lot of them are not necessarily anti-Hillary. They may vote for her in the end. You know, I don't think they have anywhere else to go naturally. Politically, they may be holding their nose a bit. But they like Sanders as an alternative, as a movement politician, as a populist, et cetera. She wants to make sure to keep those progressives in the fold, to make sure that they turn out and that they vote for her enthusiastically in the fall.

And -- but for him, I think you're right, John, I mean I think this is an opportunity to say, look, he's up against a wall a little bit here. He has got to show that he can grow his portion of the electorate in a bigger, more diverse state like New York with a higher minority population. He's got to show that he's got some game beyond whiter states, more progressive states. And to do that, he may have to go after her a little bit more toughly, aggressively, about honesty and trustworthiness, which is a liability for her, about taking money from Wall Street, those areas where he wants to keep pushing to show that he may have some advantage.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Absolutely.

David Gregory. Great to see you, David.

GREGORY: Thanks.

BOLDUAN: A lot to watch for tonight. He lays it out perfectly, as always.

We are at the top of the hour, everyone. Watch this.

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GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Famed (ph) or attention. That could drive America down into a ditch.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They're acting like union boss thugs.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The system, folks, is rigged.

REINCE PRIEBUS, CHAIRMAN, RNC: It's just not the case. The rules have been set. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: The battle in Brooklyn just hours away.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in New York, Senator Sanders has had trouble answering questions.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe we're going to win here in New York City.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLDUAN: Hello, everyone. I'm still Kate Bolduan.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm John Berman. We are live in Brooklyn, New York, and the site of tonight's CNN Democratic presidential debate. This is the Brooklyn Navy Yard. New York, New York. Start spreading the news. Bernie sanders, Hillary Clinton, they want to wake up in a city with lots of delegates.

BOLDUAN: Wow, good job. That was good.

BERMAN: This is where Bernie Sanders was born and raised. This is where Hillary Clinton's campaign is based. And this is where a debate in less than nine hours, eight hours and 57 minutes to be exact, that debate could alter the course of this campaign.

BOLDUAN: It will be the final debate between the two before the critical New York primary. We'll see if they hold any other debates. That's still up in the air. And it could be the crescendo of what has become an increasingly testy, chippy campaign between these two. The Clinton win would push her closer to the nomination and allow her to focus more on her potential foe in the fall. A Sanders win would be very big and would be a psychological blow to the Clinton campaign and could help him convince super delegates that he can wear Clinton down.

Let's go straight, though, to Chris Frates. He is inside the debate hall. A beautiful debate hall, as it always is.

Chris Frates, what are you looking at?

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Kate and John, well, I'll tell you, we're just hours away from this battle in Brooklyn and I am standing here where Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders are going to go head-to-head for the first time in more than a month. Of course, a little hometown pride on the line here, as well. Secretary Clinton represented New York for many years in the Senate, and her campaign headquarters for president just up the street here. And Senator Sanders, of course, born and raised here in Brooklyn.

Now, take a little walk with me. I want to show you just how impressive this setup is. I'll walk over to where Wolf Blitzer is going to be questioning these candidates. This is his podium. And then if you take a look to his right here, we'll have CNN's Dana Bash and Errol Louis.

And just to give you some sense of what a transformation we've had here in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, this building is now a conservancy. It used to be a place where they built battleships. I want to show a picture that we have, a still picture, of this very building. They built the USS Missouri, the USS Arizona here. Both of those battleships, of course, in Pearl Harbor. So we're going to a place where they used to build battleships to have a debate over who should be our next commander in chief, John and Kate.

BOLDUAN: Chris Frates. Thank you so much, Chris. We'll check back in with you.

BERMAN: All right, joining us by telephone right now is a man working for Bernie Sanders, it's his campaign manager, who just stepped out of debate prep to talk to us by phone. Jeff Weaver.

Jeff, thank you so much for being with us. You've been in the room while the preparations are going on. Take us inside that room. What has debate prep been like? And what kind of night are you preparing for exactly?

JEFF WEAVER, BERNIE SANDERS' CAMPAIGN MANAGER (via telephone): Well, I don't want to give out too many state secrets here, John, but let me just say this, I think it's - this debate is going to be a great opportunity to highlight the very real policy differences between Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders, clearly on the issues of campaign finance, the fact that he gets his money in amounts averaging $27 a piece from millions of people versus a campaign that is funded by a lot of special interests of Wall Street, the pharmaceutical companies and others. That's only one issue.

[12:05:02] The issue of fracking and how we're going to stop this sort of disastrous practice that pollutes water and air in this country. And on trade. You know, the - Secretary Clinton has supported almost all these disastrous trade deals, which has sent millions of our jobs overseas. Bernie Sanders has been a staunch opponent of all of these deals. Those are just a few of the issues that I'm confident will come up tonight.

BOLDUAN: Very important issues in this campaign. Very important issues in - not surprisingly, here in New York.

Jeff, when it comes to the tone tonight, that's what a lot of folks are talking about. Is it going - what is the tone going to be like between these two because it has definitely kind of ebbed and flowed, it's gotten nasty and then dialed back over the past week. Are you guys going to be on offense or defense? What kind of tone do you want to set tonight?

WEAVER: Well, I think the tone that you're going to hear from Senator Sanders is a confident tone, talking about the issues that he knows are going to resonate with voters here in New York, that have resonated with voters all across this country. So, you know, in terms of setting forth a policy agenda for America that is going to work for middle class and working class people, I think he's going to be on the offense. But that's on substance. You know, he has run a campaign based on substance, on issues, on real policy differences with the secretary and I think that's where the focus is going to be. But he certainly is going to be out front with his - with his agenda.

BERMAN: The wife of Mayor Bill de Blasio, who's supporting Hillary Clinton, Chirlane McCray, she says that Bernie Sanders is getting desperate in this campaign. Your response?

WEAVER: Well, look, there's nothing desperate about a campaign that's won eight of the last nine contests, that has cut Secretary Clinton's pledged delegate lead by a third in just a few weeks, that is gaining momentum. Had a rally last night in - here in New York with over 27,000 people. I don't - I don't know what the campaign would have to be desperate about. I mean this is a campaign clearly on the move. The senator has the momentum. I think he's going to do very well in New York here on Tuesday. So, you know, he is pushing forward with the campaign that he has run from the beginning. The campaign that's focused around the needs of ordinary people and how we're going to transform this country so that, you know, the needs of ordinary people come before the special interests.

BOLDUAN: About last night, real quick, the comment coming from a Bernie Sanders supporter, Paul Song. I know you guys know about it because Bernie Sanders spoke out against it, tweeting that he thought the comment when he said "electing corporate democratic whores," he tweeted - Bernie tweeted out that he thought it was inappropriate and insensitive. Earlier on our show, Robby Mook, Hillary's campaign manager, she said - he said that he was very happy that you guys spoke out against it, but he also seemed to suggest that you guys took quite a while and that you didn't apologize or speak out against it fast enough.

WEAVER: Well, I'm sorry Robby feels that way. But, listen, the senator spoke on it, the campaign has spoken on it. You know, all campaigns have surrogates. They get up and sometimes they say things that you wish they hadn't said. It was an insensitive remark, it was an inappropriate remark. There's certainly no place for that kind of language in the political dialogue in this country no matter who it comes from. And, you know, I think the senator's been very clear on that. So I'm sorry it wasn't quite fast enough for Robby Mook, but I think the senator has been clear. And, of course, Robby Mook would rather talk about - talk about one person at the rally, rather than the other 27,000 people who showed up at that rally, you know, versus the rather small and modest rally that the secretary was holding at the same time uptown.

BERMAN: Jeff, last question here. You're 12 points down in New York. Even if it's only 10 points down in New York, you know, the math says you need to win more than 50 percent of the rest of the delegates to secure the nomination. Maybe 55, 56 percent of the delegates, you know, to win the nomination. If you lose New York, how does the math work out for you? I mean if you lose New York, can you win the nomination?

WEAVER: Well, absolutely. Look, we have to clearly win most states going forward, but we don't have to win all states. You know, we have mapped out internally a path to getting more pledged delegates by the end of this process than Secretary Clinton. And it does not require us to win every single state. So he's going to do very well. As you know, it's a proportional system, so even if you come very close, you basically split the delegates.

So there's a lot of states coming up. He's going to do very well in New York. He may very well win New York. That's the kind of enthusiasm you saw last night in the streets of New York was I think incredible. I think everybody who was there - your colleague Chris Cuomo was there. It mean it was an incredible, incredible experience. You know a lot of people have been in politics in a long time in New York can't remember anything like it. So I think that there is a lot of momentum behind Senator Sanders and may well push him over the top. But we're certainly going to do very well regardless, and we are certainly on a path to the nomination.

BERMAN: All right, Jeff Weaver, thanks for calling in. Get back into debate prep. Senator Sanders clearly missing you inside.

BOLDUAN: And then come back out and call us and tell us exactly what happened. You know, that's all. Thanks, Jeff.

WEAVER: I'll give you the whole - give you the whole game plan.

BOLDUAN: Thank you so much, Jeff.

All right, so the Democratic presidential debate will be live tonight at 9:00 p.m. Eastern right where we are, only on CNN.

[12:10:07] Let's pivot right now to the Republican race for the White House right now. Senator Cruz unleashing on the Trump campaign after it accused Cruz's team of using Gestapo tactics in securing delegates. Listen to how Ted Cruz responded last night on CNN.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is bizarre. Donald and his team, it's almost like they are subjects in a clinical course in psychology. There are all sorts of different behaviors they display. But one of them is projection. That the conduct they do regularly they accuse everyone else of doing. So literally in the last few weeks, Donald's team, Roger Stone, his chief political adviser, was threatening to out the hotel rooms of delegates who dared to cross Trump so they could be intimidated. They're acting like union boss thugs.

Donald has a hard ceiling in most states of about 35 or 40 percent. So he did well early in the race when there were 16 other candidates, because all of the other votes were dispersed. Now that the field has narrowed, what we're seeing is that Republicans are uniting behind our campaign and we're beating him over and over and over again.

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BERMAN: All right, joining us now, Kayleigh McEnany, CNN political commentator and a Donald Trump supporter. Also with us, Amanda Carpenter, CNN political commentator, former communications director for Senator Ted Cruz, Julian Zeilzer, historian and professor at Princeton University, and Steve Lonegan, a New Jersey state director for the Cruz campaign and former U.S. Senate candidate. Steve, I'll start with you. We have all of New Jersey represented here

on our right. (INAUDIBLE). So let me start with you. We just heard from Ted Cruz talk about the Donald Trump ceiling. You know, he's got a ceiling of about 35 percent. Well, it's interesting. We're here in New York here where Donald Trump could break 50 percent. He's anywhere between 50 to 60 percent in the polls here. So is he shattering that ceiling?

STEVE LONEGAN, CRUZ CAMPAIGN N.J. STATE DIRECTOR: Well, if he doesn't get over 50 percent, he needs to drop out of the race. But, John, in the beginning you said that this debate tonight could be a game- changer for the Democrat Party. And what's remarkable to me is that Democrats across this country are going to get to see their two top candidates debate the issues that are important to Democrats. Now, I don't support those issues of more spending and more debt and more big government. However, on the Republican side, Republicans are being denied the opportunity to see their top candidates debate these issues in depth because Donald Trump is scared to death of Ted Cruz. He will not debate the issues. Senator Cruz wants to talk about the issues of jobs, freedom and security in depth and explain his policies. And we - and Donald Trump has to explain why he thinks it's the role - why he thinks it's the role of government to deliver education and health care. Not having this debate and a Republican debate would be a game changer in the Republican Party as well, denies the Republican Party its rights to see their candidates.

BOLDUAN: Kayleigh, why not debate?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN COMMENTATOR: Well, we've had more than a dozen debates so far and I - I hope you would -

LONEGAN: Come on.

MCENANY: Don't just cabin your criticism to Donald Trump and would also give that same criticism to Ronald Reagan who, when he was a presumptive frontrunner, decided to forego debates all together. So if you're going to criticize Donald on that, you might as well criticize Ronald Reagan on that.

And to say that Donald Trump has a ceiling -

LONEGAN: (INAUDIBLE) Ronald Reagan (INAUDIBLE) -

MCENANY: Is quite frankly ridiculous when you consider the fact that Donald Trump is ahead by 2 million votes. So if Donald Trump has a ceiling of 40 percent, Ted Cruz has one of lower than 30 percent. I'd venture to say around 20 percent. So the ceilings notion is really a stained (ph) argument coming from a campaign that's losing by more than 2 million voters.

LONEGAN: Well -

AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: There's one event that happened this week, and especially as we're in this setting, where great American battleships were built, that shows why we need a Republican debate. American military service men were buzzed by a Russian jet in the Baltic this week. They were conducting drills with our allies in Poland. Donald Trump has said he doesn't view Russia as a threat. He wants to scale back alliances with NATO, with our allies. He has been proven wrong on that. He should be questioned on it in a debate format because these are critical matters of importance to our national security, not only for us, but for our allies.

BERMAN: Steve - I mean, professor, you know, you're an historian so I can quote -

JULIAN ZEILZER, HISTORIAN & PROFESSOR, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: Yes.

BERMAN: (INAUDIBLE) my famous - my favorite quote for this day (ph), which is, the strong do as they well, the weak suffer as they must. The strong, in this case, Donald Trump is the frontrunner. Why would he debate?

ZEILZER: Right. You know, at this point, he wants to sit tight and he doesn't want to expose himself during a debate to some of the shots that he took. So he just doesn't have a lot of incentive. And I don't think the good of the party is as much on his mind as the good of his candidacy. And I don't mean that mainly. That is how a strategic thinker thinks.

But what we're endering (ph) to is a debate over the legitimacy of these candidates. Both sides are doing it. And I think that's going to be the main issue that we actually hear about, whether it's about Cruz turning delegates in unfair ways, or it's about Trump kind of using his muscle, more like a Mafioso than a politician. I think this is what we're in store for, for the next week or so.

BOLDUAN: And interesting -

LONEGAN: Listen, tell Ted - Hillary Clinton is clearly the frontrunner, too, and she's not afraid to debate Bernie Sanders. So I don't understand what Donald Trump's fear is.

[12:15:01] BOLDUAN: So -

LONEGAN: Here's the problem - and I calculated that in a two-minute debate segment, Donald Trump would have to screech out, we're going to build a wall, we're going to make America great again about 42 times. And at about the 12th time people say, where's the substance? He has no substance. Donald Trump cannot talk about his policies in more than 140 characters and that's not going to satisfy Republican voters.

MCENANY: Well, the American people -

BOLDUAN: But, Steve - one second, Kayleigh. Steve, here's the thing. In New York, though, Donald Trump is very far ahead. Your candidate is in third at this moment. I mean, when you -

LONEGAN: It's Trump's home state.

BOLDUAN: When you look - with Cruz running third right now in a state that has become -

LONEGAN: Yes.

BOLDUAN: Very important in this primary, I mean, what's a win for you guys?

LONEGAN: Kate, Ted Cruz has this remarkable ability to exceed expectations. I'm not going to say he's going to win New York.

BOLDUAN: OK, set the expectation -

LONEGAN: But Donald Trump - Donald Trump better go over 50 percent or that's a loss for him. But we -

BOLDUAN: What about Cruz? What does Cruz need to do?

LONEGAN: He needs to pull out delegates. Any delegate for Ted Cruz -

BERMAN: He needs to have breakfast in the morning.

LONEGAN: Is a victory - is a victory. If Donald Trump had said he's going to get all 95 delegates -

MCENANY: Yes.

LONEGAN: He better. He better get all 95 delegates, because if Ted Cruz walks out of here with two delegates, Donald Trump lost.

BERMAN: Kayleigh, I want to give you an opportunity to respond to that, noting the New Jersey primary, Steve's home state here -

BOLDUAN: (INAUDIBLE).

BERMAN: You know, is coming up on June 7th as well. How is Donald Trump going to do there?

MCENANY: Sure, and that's a winner take all. Donald Trump will win that as well.

LONEGAN: No, he won't.

MCENANY: He's going to win - yes, he is. He's going to win the entirety of the Northeast, I would argue. California is looking good for him. Pennsylvania is great. He has a very friendly map ahead and I think he will reach 1,237.

And this idea that Donald Trump hasn't answered questions, that is a ridiculous idea because he has made himself more available to media than any candidate in modern history. When Anderson Cooper said two town halls ago to Ted Cruz, I begged you to come on this show, you won't do it, that is the truth. Hillary Clinton's refrained from going on certain news stations. Donald Trump has gone on every news station. He sat there with Chris Matthews for an hour, a guy not friendly to the conservative cause at all. He has answered every question, the hardest question, far harder quarters than Ted Cruz has ever answered.

ZEILZER: I think the outcomes of the primaries will dictate whether he has a debate or not. There's no way to convince a frontrunner to debate -

MCENANY: Right.

ZEILZER: Because it's not always in their interest. This is not distinct or unique to Donald Trump. But if he loses - if all of a sudden Cruz is doing better, my guess is Donald Trump will be ready to appear on the CNN or whatever channel.

BERMAN: Sadly, I think this debate -

LONEGAN: Can I mention -

BERMAN: I think this debate is over, Steve.

BOLDUAN: For this moment.

BERMAN: Steve, professor, Amanda, Kayleigh, thanks so much for being here with us.

BOLDUAN: Thanks, all.

BERMAN: We will do this debate again, though. There are multiple more to come. Appreciate you being here.

BOLDUAN: Every day. It's like Christmas.

BERMAN: Yes.

All right, Donald Trump, he may be focused on bashing the establishment, bashing Washington, but today his campaign is on Capitol Hill rubbing shoulders with lawmakers. What are they trying to do and what have they told people behind closed doors? We'll tell you, next.

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[12:21:40] BOLDUAN: All right, we're going to take you live right now to midtown Manhattan, where Bernie Sanders is speaking before the National Action Network, Al Sharpton's National Action Network. Let's listen in.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: At a time when not a lot of truth is being told. So here are some of the truths that we need to be talking about.

Number one, in this room, throughout this country, men and women have put their lives on the line to defend American democracy. Here is the truth. In many ways, the foundations of American democracy today are being undermined by disastrous campaign finance laws, Citizens United Supreme Court decision and by voter suppression among Republican governors all over this country. So let us be clear, truth number one is democracy means one person, one vote. You want to vote for me, love to have it. You want to vote against me, that's called democracy. Billionaires who represent the wealthy and the powerful should not be about buying elections. That's why we're going to overturn Citizens United. When billionaires buy elections, that's called oligarchy, not democracy.

Number two, and I know the National Action Network has been fighting this tooth and nail, and that is, we have a level of Republican voter suppression that is absolutely outrageous. You would have thought that after all we have gone through, as a country, to make sure that people have the right to vote, regardless of the color of their skin, that these Republican governors would show some mercy and not try to bring us back to Jim Crow days. The idea that they are passing laws, restricting the right to vote, making it harder for people to vote, poor people, old people, people of color, that is moving in exactly the wrong way. And I see my old friend, Reverend Jackson here. He has an idea. Others have a different idea. But what we all agree on is at the end of the day, in America, if you are 18 years of age, and you're an American citizen, you have the right to vote! Maybe we do it through a constitutional amendment. Maybe we do it in another way. But I'm tired of people figuring out ways to shrink the voter turnout. We've got to expand the voter turnout.

Number two, I am embarrassed to have to admit this, but I am old enough to have been at the March on Washington for jobs and freedom. I was there with Dr. King. It dates me, but I was there. But I want everybody to remember what I know you all know. The name of that march - it's not just the March on Washington. It was the March on Washington for jobs and freedom. Am I right, Reverend Sharpton?

[12:25:28] REVEREND AL SHARPTON: I wasn't there, but you're absolutely right (ph).

SANDERS: He's a kid. He's a good kid. He's growing. He's learning.

Jobs and freedom. And what Dr. King understood is, of course you have to destroy segregation. Of course you have to open up opportunity for all people. But then he said, what does it matter if you desegregate a lunch counter but you don't have the money to buy the damn hamburger? And this is what he said back in the 1960s. And it's sad to remember how much distance we still have to go. This is Dr. King. He said, "the other America" - he talked about two Americans. He said the other America was plagued by, quote, "inadequate, substandard and often dilapidated housing conditions." Well, guess what? I was in Baltimore, Maryland, a few months ago in a community where so many of the homes were boarded up. I have been in communities all over this country where gentrification is destroying neighborhoods. I have been in communities where people are paying 50, 60 percent of their limited incomes in housing. We have all been in communities where too many people are sleeping out on the street.

BERMAN: Listening to Bernie Sanders speaking in midtown Manhattan to the National Action Network. This is Al Sharpton's group there. Bernie Sanders also acknowledging Reverend Jesse Jackson, who is in the audience today, a man he endorsed when he ran for president twice in the 1980s. He's talking about voting rights and voter registration. He called out Republican governors -

BOLDUAN: Yes.

BERMAN: Who he said wanted to take the country back to Jim Crow days by preventing people from voting. Pretty strong words there from Bernie Sanders.

BOLDUAN: Bernie Sanders speaking before this convention today. Hillary Clinton spoke before this group yesterday. Let's bring in Donna Brazile to talk about the significance of this and the timing of this, of course.

So, Donna, Bernie Sanders making his pitch, hitting on his points, trying to make inroads with African-American voters. He's struggled with this to this point. Hillary Clinton making her pitch yesterday.

DONNA BRAZILE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right.

BOLDUAN: Why - this is important and this is important before the New York primary.

BRAZILE: Right. Well, there's no question that the African-American vote is very important to not just the Democratic Party -

BOLDUAN: Right.

BRAZILE: But it's important to winning the White House in the fall. Bernie Sanders has a very good relationship with African-American leaders and African-American voters. It's just that Hillary Clinton has what I call strong bonds of support. These are individuals who have not only been supportive of the Clinton campaign, the Clinton presidency, but she has deep relationships that go back 30, 40 years. And so I'm enjoying the competition now with both Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton going out there, energizing young people, especially young African-Americans, Hispanics, because they need their votes, not just in this primary season, but also in the fall.

BERMAN: Is Bernie Sanders making meaningful gains as far as you could tell among African-American voters? The campaign points to young voters -

BOLDUAN: Right.

BERMAN: That say that's - you know, they're doing well with young African-Americans.

BRAZILE: With generationals, yes.

BERMAN: But is it enough?

BRAZILE: He started with 3 percent. I mean when you start with 3 percent with Hispanics or, you know, 5 percent with African-Americans and you've grown in your support, of course it takes time to nurture and to court these voters. But the truth is, he's out there, he's not - he's not taking these voters for granted. He wants their support. And today this is a great opportunity for him to ask for their - their help.

BOLDUAN: It sure also looks like Hillary Clinton isn't taking these voters for granted either.

BRAZILE: Oh, no. BOLDUAN: I mean she's not only speaking before Al Sharpton's group

yesterday, but then, you know, hitting half a dozen churches -

BRAZILE: Right.

BOLDUAN: With Bill Clinton over on Sunday. Is support among African- Americans in question for Hillary Clinton?

BRAZILE: Well, very - very - no, it's not in question, but she has to maximize turnout. She needs a strong turnout on Tuesday in order to not just win the New York primary, but to get the kind of delegate lead that -

BOLDUAN: Yes.

BRAZILE: To maintain the delegate lead that she - she has, that's been consistent along the way.

But I just want to say something, because this is a matter of pride. African-American women, when you look at every demographic group in the country, we have the highest voter registration and voter participation of any Americans in the country. So I take personal pride in that.

[12:30:03] But, more importantly, what Secretary Clinton is trying to do is to drive turnout. You want to - you want to know where you can find black women on a Sunday, and this is not a stereotype, you can find us in church.