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[21:01:04] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, thanks for joining us. Starts spreading the news and start counting the hours until a key primary for both parties, New Yorkers vote tomorrow and how they vote could reshape the race in both parties.
Bernie Sanders who just finish the campaign in Queens trying to pull off a surprise against Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump looking to pile up votes and take all the delegates at stake tomorrow its campaign tonight in Buffalo and lashing out against the party at the way delegates are chosen and he says are being reported something he says he's not going to do.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now, I could have done really well because I'm very good at dealing with the bosses. But you know, you had it and you say, forget it. You can take them out to hotels, the delegates. You can take them on planes. You can do whatever you want to do. You know what? I said, no way because we're going to get there. We don't need it. We're going to get there. It's a wrecked and it's a corrupt system.
But we're going to get there and I believe we're going to do it much more easily than people think. And we're going to do it on the first ballot. We're going to get to that big 1,237.
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COOPER: That's Donald Trump tonight in Buffalo. Ted Cruz and an even in New York, Phil Mattingly kicks off for coverage this hour with the latest on the Republican side. So the final push before the primary tomorrow in New York, why is Cruz in Maryland today?
PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well delegates, Anderson, and the recognition inside this campaign always based on their numbers that there aren't a lot on the table for Ted Cruz in this state. Now Maryland isn't exactly a state that plays well to Ted Cruz brand of conservatism as well. Donald Trump leading in early polls there, John Kasich coming in second and most polls but not unlike New York, Anderson, their allocation system gives Ted Cruz opportunities to pick off delegates. 38 delegates total in the state. They go by congressional district and that's what Ted Cruz is targeting.
Again not expecting necessarily a win in the state, Anderson, but it's all about peeling off delegates. Every delegate Ted Cruz can take in a state like New York or in Maryland is one less delegate Donald Trump has to add to that magic 1,237 number he shooting for, Anderson.
COOPER: And Phil as you mentioned the Kasich campaign in strong, second place in New York in the latest polling, what are they doing in the final hours before they vote tomorrow?
MATTINGLY: Well John Kasich in (inaudible) today and they have a similar type of operation here as Ted Cruz is shooting for down in Maryland, targeting very specific congressional districts. Look, there are no ideas inside either the Cruz or Kasich campaign that Donald Trump isn't going to win here.
They're expecting him to win and win big. But again it's all about polling off delegates. The Kasich campaign is identified a series of congressional districts where if their operation can keep Donald Trump below 50 percent in those districts, John Kasich can pull off one maybe two delegates. Again John Kasich trailing by a large margin in the total delegates -- in the delegate totals, Anderson, the goal is to pick up delegates trying to gain some momentum heading into the Midatlantic and Northeastern States.
One thing to keep an eye, Anderson, starting tomorrow, it's all about those next states, April 26th primary, John Kasich starting to swing through Pennsylvania, Maryland, Connecticut and Rhode Island. New York, for all intents and purposes, for both the Cruz and Kasich campaign is in the past, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Phil Mattingly, Phil, thanks.
A big endorsement for the Republicans who think that tomorrow could be the first day of the rest of his campaign. John Kasich won his home state of Ohio now hopes to do well tomorrow then later this month in Pennsylvania and beyond. And then scored to support in Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval, I spoke to the governor just before air time.
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COOPER: Governor, you have endorsed a candidate who is trailing in the delegate count. He's third as a matter of fact are you counting on a contested convention?
GOV. BRIAN SANDOVAL, (R) NEVADA: Well, I think that's what everyone hopes for in terms of for John Kasich. I mean, I -- John is somebody that I've known for many years. I think he's been a very incredible governor, he has turned the economy in Ohio around. He's brought many jobs. He has great experience through his service in the Congress and on the armed services committee. I think he's the ideal candidate to serve as President of the United States and frankly the only one that can beat Hillary Clinton.
COOPER: You've said, you'd ultimately support the party's nominee. If it's Donald Trump, would you support him?
SANDOVAL: Well and that's something I've thought about and given, the accumulation and combination of things that I've heard him say, you know that's something that I, you know, I'm not firm on that anymore.
[21:05:08] I believe at this point in time that it's still a wide open race certainly Mr. Trump has the largest amount of delegates, but any things that I've heard him say, you know that's something that I, you know that I'm not firm on that anymore, I believed that this point in time that it's still a wide open race, certainly Mr. Trump has the largest amount of delegates but when if it gets to a convention and he hasn't achieved that threshold, anything can happen.
COOPER: What about Senator Cruz? If he were the nominee, would you support him?
SANDOVAL: Well, that you know, that's something that's interesting to have a conversation with you about because that somebody who campaigned in Nevada who said that he didn't want my support and frankly called me toxic waste. So I don't think Senator Cruz would want my support and that's fine by me.
COOPER: So, I mean, I guess the question then is, you know as a Republican if it's not Kasich, do -- what do you do?
SANDOVAL: No, and that's a great question. I mean again, that's a -- it's a hypothetical question right now at this point in time, I think John has a tremendous amount of momentum. He's starting to get more votes in each of these primaries and caucuses. And yeah, there's a lot of places to go and lot of states to go to particularly in the northeast and the west coast and I think John is going to do extremely well there.
COOPER: Donald Trump over the weekend saying that the system for winning delegates is in his words corrupt and crooked. Is there something wrong with how the delegate selection process works right now?
SANDOVAL: I don't think so. And I don't have any reason to agree with him. And this is a system that is worked throughout the years. The rules are being developed as we speak and then we'll go into this convention. I think that all these candidates are on fair footing and we'll see what happens.
COOPER: Because in part of the argument that Trump is making over the weekend is that if you wanted too, he could play delegates with trips and vacation and still be within the rules.
SANDOVAL: Yeah and I don't know that whether attack Twitter or not, you know, I'm just going to speak for John Kasich and he has worked extremely hard and as I said I think, as America gets to know him, they are going to realize that he has the right experience, that he has the right background, that he has the -- he's a man of faith. That he's a family man. That's he's got a plan. All those things that will make for services a great president.
COOPER: All right, Governor, I appreciate your time tonight, thank you.
SANDOVAL: Yeah, my pleasure, thank you, Anderson.
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COOPER: And back to this hour with the panel, John King, Ryan Lizza, Gloria Borger, Amanda Carpenter, Kevin Madden, delegate analyst Mike Shields and Trump supporter Jeffrey Lord.
I'm clearly Governor Sandoval does not really want to go down the road of well Kasich doesn't get it, do you support Trump. I mean, he clearly it sounds like he's not supporting Trump and probably not Cruz or is one that happen ...
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Not Cruz, whom he pointed out, called him toxic waste.
BORGER: And it's a normal that they would not endear you, it can't be right.
COOPER: All the strangers' things that have happened in this race. You know, to in poison and getting shot in the head, you know, people taking poisons, so.
BORGER: But it's clearly it's the process of elimination here, I mean he and Kasich are old friends, the fact that he said that Kasich has -- what did he call ...
JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Tremendous
BORGER: ... tremendous momentum?
BORGER: I didn't quite understand that, either.
KING: If they heard who got those words from and that Catholic school or ...
BORGER: Then it always not popular among the conservatives in party but he was recommended by Harry Reid for having sake to go on the Supreme Court, that doesn't in dare you to conservatives either.
So, you know, he decided to endorse Kasich because he was the last man standing. And they clearly won't go for the other guys, I think you have to read between the lines in a little bit in your interview did want to come out and said.
COOPER: Just Cruz have a plan, I mean, clearly the Cruz campaign wants Kasich out of the race. Kasich shows no sign of that up.
KING: All though interestingly that Cruz has been much less critical of Kasich in the last week or so in New York.
KING: Than he was back in ...
COOPER: Why did it was, what do you think?
KING: Because he needs John Kasich, because Ted Cruz just by nature of the demographics, he's Texas Tea Party Evangelical. That does not match up well with New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Connecticut, a little bit in Maryland.
COOPER: So he needs Kasich to whittle away to delegate.
KING: If you are going to stop Trump, John Kasich needs to start performing. He keep saying, he won Ohio and he said what? Some did not get delegates in Wisconsin, he did not. And now he says he's going to get some delegates in New York even better, because then, you know, Maryland, and Pennsylvania, they're really unbound. The Pennsylvania numbers are about influencing the 54 unbound delegates of the convention.
Kasich is actually the wild card to whether you can keep Trump well short of 1,237. If you want to keep him 100 short, and Kasich needs to perform in these northeast and Mid-Atlantic states where Ted Cruz simply isn't going to do that well. Ted Cruz can get, Sandoval is right, it's a couple of congressional districts in Maryland, the conservative possible, besides that if we look at the map over the couple of -- look over the month of April, this is not Ted Cruz country, it is definitely Donald Trump country and the only person can stop is this Kasich but he's simply has not performed at all.
BOGER: And can he raise money if he doesn't perform in the state? How can he continue to raise money to stay in?
RYAN LIZZA, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT THE NEW YORKER: Yeah, but that Indiana is the race where Kasich may have a spoiler role if you're looking to deny Trump 1,237.
LIZZA: Then in then Midwestern.
AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yeah, if say especially because several in this long, it might will happen in this Mid- Atlantic contact state, because everyone that Cruz campaign realizes the next two weeks are going to be rough.
[21:10:02] But they are happy with the map going into the convention because then you get states like Indiana or Washington, Oregon was actually conduct their primary to be a mail and ballot which benefit campaigns that are really well organized and then on June 7th, have the big contest California, where the Cruz feel team thinks they can do pretty well.
So, while the next weeks are going to be rough, Kasich might be able to take some delegates from Trump. Then, from the rest of the way, momentum should be on the Cruz side, it's basically there's a campaign attack.
COOPER: It is interesting, Kevin how, you know, weeks ago, we kept hearing how Donald Trump is going to be making policies of announcements or policy speeches. He said, even our Town Hall that he was going to do on, probably, about unity being the first one. We haven't really seen that yet other than the AIPAC speech, which was rewritten a prewritten speech.
A lot of him, a lot of what he's doing is still talking about process railing against what he says is a rigged system, rather than going into policy, which is I guess, I mean, one cynical way to look at is that's where he's tripped up in the past a little bit and maybe by focusing on process he's un-safer to him.
KEVIN MADDEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yeah. The other thing that we kept noting was, you know, we saw a little hints of it, maybe, four or five weeks ago where we're like, oh look, Donald Trump is trying to unify the party.
He's starting to gain some momentum with some of this wins in other states. Maybe he's trying to bring an elements of the party. That way, he can begin to consolidate some of the party.
Some of the supporters in the electorate, but also part of the party brass became resign to the fact that Donald Trump is going o to win the nomination.
And then what we've seen is Donald Trump in a very counterproductive way begin attacking the folks that he could have been bringing together, attacking John Kasich in a way that alienated the Kasich voters, attacking Cruz in a way that prevented him from bringing together the party.
And that's why, he's probably, as John pointed out before, as you look at the delegate map, he's going to end up on the wrong side of the number that he needs at the end of this month.
COOPER: Like in terms of Trump's ground game or reaching out for delegates, is it just too late for him to hire up to, you know, start ...
MIKE SHIELDS, CNN DELEGATE ANALYST: I think it's a really hard to retrofit a ground game. You know, it's hard to hire the people, it's hard to build the relationships. This is a relationship business and you know these folks or you don't, you know. It's interesting, we're talking about Kasich.
Kasich should actually want the Trump ground game to start getting delegates, because his path is on the second ballot, there's enough Trump delegates to block Cruz and then Kasich could actually be relevant against. So, you should actually hope that Trump people start getting their ground game together.
MADDEN: Into to Mike's point too, you can't purchase a ground game, you have to invest in it early and build it out as you go.
So, the idea that he can all of the sudden, just hire up a bunch of staff and, you know, all of the sudden, have a ground game is not possible.
BORGER: Can I ask Mike a question, because, you know, more than anybody does about this. So, if Trump is within 100 or 50 ...
BORGER: ... and let's say he doesn't have the ground game and he just goes into the convention that. Can he just convince enough people there that he ought to get it? I mean, won't the RNC say, we want to avoid war?
SHIELDS: Well, there's again, it's not up to the RNC, it's up to the delegates.
BORGER: OK, the delegates.
SHIELDS: So, they have to convince the delegates. There are enough unbound delegates, that John King reporter that. There's enough unbound delegates for him to get over that.
And so, then, this is kind of like when you see lawyers that are in the news and they are sort of litigating a case to the public as opposed to just the jury.
SHIELDS: On June 8th, the day after the California primary, we're going to know what situation we're in, we're going to see if Donald Trump is spending the next month,
SHIELDS: Publicly trying to get to those delegates.
COOPER: And yet, but Jeffrey Lord. I mean, do you worry that Donald Trump has alienated some of those folks already given this rhetoric are giving saying that it's a rigged system? He's essentially saying those who are taking part in the system, you know, are somehow corrupt or rigged as well.
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't, Anderson. I rely on human nature. And when you get that close, my experience in politics is been that people who see a winner want to be with the winner.
And frequently, we'll help to put that person over the line. That frankly, is what put President Ford over the line in 1976. Delegates thought he was going to win, and so, some of the Reagan delegates folded and went with Ford. So, and one other thing I'd say, Anderson, and I am aware of myself of a speech that's coming. I think it's on the judiciary. And I know some of the people involved in crafting the speech working on the speech with him. So, I do know that these policy speeches are starting to come out.
COOPER: I got to take a quick break. We're going to have more with our panel.
Just ahead, breaking news, the Democratic race Sanders into closer to Clinton nationally narrowing a big gap in the new national poll. Also breaking news from Houston Texas, a city reeling from a day of deadly flooding, dramatic rescue storms unleashing more than 13 inches of rain in just 6 hours. Also, the earthquake in Ecuador, a lot to cover ahead.
[21:18:06] COOPER: Well, we have more breaking news tonight. A new national poll showing the Democratic race is tightening. According to NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll, Clinton has 50 percent to Sanders 48 percent. That's well within the poll's margin of error. Just a month ago, in the same poll, Clinton led Sanders by nine points.
Now, as we said, she is still leading Sanders like double digits in New York where the poll opened just hours from now, open just hours from now from both candidates.
The battle, well, it's getting personal, both consider in New York home. Sanders was born and raised in Brooklyn. Clinton served in State U.S. Senator as her home to Westchester County.
The stakes tomorrow are certainly high, both candidates campaigning in overdrive. Our Jeff Zeleny has the latest.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: One final pitch in the fight for New York.
HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So, please, come out and vote tomorrow. I will work hard for you. Thank you all very much.
ZELENY: Hillary Clinton hoping to expand her leads and extinguish Bernie Sanders' momentum.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They don't consider us fringe anymore.
ZELENY: The New York primary and its 247 delegates is the biggest prize, until California in June. The winner will shake the pardon chapter of the race or ensure the contest goes on.
CLINTON: I never count any chickens before they hatch. We're going to work hard. ZELENY: And campaign hard, she did, after losing seven straight contests to Sanders, Clinton took a page from her two winning Senate elections here. She danced, she preached.
CLINTON: I feel blessed and grace is all around us in the sanctuary.
ZELENY: And she dispatched her husband to cover twice as much ground.
BILL CLINTON, FMR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hello there.
ZELENY: On the eve of the primary, Sanders took the streets of New York too, starting with a picket line.
After drawing another big crowd Sunday, on the familiar blocks of his Brooklyn childhood.
SANDERS: Our parents would take us to prospect park, but I was never here speaking to 20,000 people. So, thank you all very much for being here.
[21:20:04] ZELENY: But Sanders needs more than big crowds. Clinton leads by 229 pledged delegates. Sanders is vowing to fight until the convention in July, an alarming prospect for party leaders eager to unify Democrats.
On CNN's New Day, Sanders said the burden the party together isn't his alone.
SANDERS: That's its two-way street. I mean the Clinton people also going to have to listen to what these people are fighting for.
ZELENY: Many Sanders supporters we talked to in New York like Hattie Weiner, agree.
HATTIE WEINER, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: So I will vote for her, but not with the joy and that sense of courage. Bernie is bringing up that feeling of America. I wish Hillary would kind of say, you know, I think I have something to learn from Bernie.
ZELENY: The supporters mocking her during a weekend fundraising visit to California. Showering her motorcade with wads of $1 bills. Protesters were standing near George and Amal Clooney's home, aside of the fundraiser was highest ticket was $350,000 per couple.
Back in New York the rough and tumble primary playing out on a debate stage last week in Brooklyn got downright physical on "Saturday Night Live."
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COOPER: So Jeff the Sanders campaign, I mean where do they think they need to do in New York? Or do they feel they need a victory in New York?
ZELENY: Anderson they would certainly like a victory in New York that would continue this momentum that Senator Sanders has had for the last seven or eight contests or so.
But they are more realistic than that. This is a closed primary only Democrats can vote here so they know that it's still a bit of an uphill climb. But they will go on regardless of what happens in New York they say that this will end in California and New Jersey on June 7th. Not here in New York.
But Anderson realistically speaking if they do not have a good night tomorrow in New York, if it's a wide margin here, it's going to be hard to keep making the argument to go forward. The Clinton campaign is already saying Senator Sanders has a choice to make, will he continue to be destructive in attacking her and the party here.
So the next 24 hours is critical to the Sanders campaign that's not an overstatement Anderson.
COOPER: All right Jeff Zeleny, Jeff thanks.
We have been talking about how crucial tomorrows primary is, John King is back with us, breaking down "By the Number". So let's take a look at the battle for delegates in New York with our map.
KING: So there's math and there's momentum and Hillary Clinton has the math. Even though Bernie Sanders has met (ph) as Jeff noted. 229 pledged delegates lead right now but that does not include the super delegates we may get to that in a minute. Why does New York matter because look, Secretary Clinton is hoping she's got the 229 lead, if she wins by 10 points tomorrow night Anderson they split the delegates where she picks up another 25 or so in that lead is she wins by 10 points. Then she's out here not only she out here, she does won seven of the last state from Senators Sanders and if you get a big Clinton win there plus she believes Jeff just mentioned a very important point close primary no independents.
From New York we go to Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut and Rhode Island and the rest -- that's the rest of April. Only Rhode Island allows independents to vote all these other states on the map they have African-Americans, they have Latinos and it's only Democrats. So if Sanders can't do it in New York, the Clinton campaign figures he can't do it here either and then the map gets really interesting.
COOPER: Yeah, what about the math going forward?
KING: We'll project that out if Secretary Clinton gets that win right if she gets that win there, assume that she does that for the rest of April. In this scenario, I gave Bernie Sanders Rhode Island where independents can vote. You have white some blue colors workers there, but then look, if Clinton does well, just winning by 10 points in the rest of the states, look what happens she starts to stretch it out she gets close to the three quarter mark of the race. And remember she has in her back pocket these superdelegates that would get her closer to the finish line.
Now the Sanders campaign needs wins to make superdelegates less of the equation but Sanders is hoping for is to have if Bernie Sanders can somehow have an upset in New York, and somehow have an upset in Pennsylvania, assume Clinton wins Delaware and Maryland and maybe Connecticut but if Sanders can win two of the big state, then he keeps the margin around 200 and then Anderson he hopes the superdelegates get a little queasy.
But the Clinton campaign is pretty confident if it can get that win tomorrow night that the rest of April is going to look like this. And at that point, they think the math becomes inevitable that there's just Bernie Sanders would have to win. If this happens for the rest of April, starting with New York tomorrow night, Bernie Sanders would have to win these other primaries by 75 or 80 percent. And that's simply unrealistic. So New York tomorrow critical for Clinton as a springboard for the rest of April and critical to Sanders if his going to bend the arc of the delegate math.
COOPER: All right, John if you can make your way back to the table, I want to bring the panel joining the conversation Political commentators Bill Press, Maria Cardona and Van Jones. Bill is Sanders supporter, Maria is a Clinton supporter. Gloria Borger is also with us and Ryan Lizza of "The New Yorker".
Bill, let start with you. Senator Sanders was criticizing the voting rules in New York the close primary essential thing its bad and Sander, "bad New York's state election law" but he did know the rules obviously entering into this none of this comes as a surprise.
PRESS: Yeah I would have to say it's not whining as loud as Donald Trump.
COOPER: Well that's for sure.
[21:25:05] PRESS: Right. He did know the rules and the fact is like it or not, I mean as the two Trump kids learned, if you want to register to be able to vote for your person, you've got to do it last October. And so look, they've done the best they can under the rules that exist and we talked earlier, they know this is a very tough day for them tomorrow because it's -- it is Hillary country.
COOPER: Then, there was also an articles, late that came out yesterday essentially saying that Bernie Sanders campaign is not a movement. And what they were arguing and saying there essentially, he's a typical insurgent candidate like George McGovern, Bill Bradley, Howard Dean, his support, his support they said comes from the usual places, young people, white liberals, ideological actors. Do you agree with that?
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, the difference with that though is that the millennial generation is so big. OK, before you, listen, you know, my generation, generation Xers, yeah, we were kind of rowdy when we were kids but who cared, there were like 12 of us, right, you had these big baby boomers and then you have the millennials.
The millennials are massive. And the big problem we have right now is that is hard to uncurdle milk, OK? If you sour a generation on the whole process, if the kids in New York can't even vote because they didn't, you know, they didn't think about it two years ago, if the superdelegates seem like they're more powerful than me, you can sour a whole generation. And that's a bigger danger. These candidates will be fine. You got a generation on the line though.
COOPER: Maria, I want to play something that Bernie Sanders said on "New Day" this morning. Because again, he was asked about his criticisms of Secretary Clinton when it comes to Wall Street and what that's based on. Here's his response.
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR What did you think about the question from Wolf at the debate where he said can you point to one single vote, one single action that makes this allegation about her being too closely tied to reality?
SANDERS: Let me give you two.
CUOMO: She didn't have -- you didn't have one.
SANDERS: Well, first of all, one is the bankruptcy bill that she ended up voting for, which was not a good piece of legislation. But, you see, the question suggests that just because somebody gets campaign contributions do they automatically respond. And as you well know, it's more complicated than that. So I'm not suggesting that money immediately results in a vote or either way.
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COOPER: The bottom line though is he can't really -- doesn't really point to them. He talks about bankruptcy there, but ...
CARDONA: But even that is not quite correct because she voted for it for another reason because it helped single moms be able to help with their credit at the end of the day, and that's what she was voting for. And then when it came up again, she voted against it because that was taken out.
COOPER: Bill, do you think he should have a better answer by now? I mean, should he be able to point to something that the argument is? Essentially they're giving him her money for influence.
COOPER: Where is the actual influence ...
PRESS: First thing is ...
COOPER: ... is more complicated.
PRESS: Yeah, I want to point out that it was Elizabeth Warren who raised the bankruptcy bill in her book and pointed out that Hillary, as first lady was on one side, she got $140,000 from banks, I'm just quoting Elizabeth Warren, and then she voted against it.
But I was surprised that Bernie didn't say what he has said in some of the debates. He's raising -- what he's getting at is the question. Do you really think all these lobbyists and all these corporations are giving Super PACs all this money? And that fact that he's not ...
PRESS: Now I pour it and I think that's a very, very serious ...
JONES: Look, I think he hasn't done a great job on this because, listen, if he comes across and sometimes does, as implying will give you artful sneer, implying that she herself is on the take, that's really not fair. She's not doing anything that Obama hasn't done, other people hasn't done. There's an opportunity here for him, I think, to do better job educating and agitating. It's the whole millennia of all this money ...
CARDONA: That's right.
JONES: ... that changes the agenda.
PRESS: He's really criticizing the system, no so ...
JONES: And he should be but he doesn't sound like it.
COOPER: I did to Maria and we got ...
CARDONA: Here's the problem with what he has saying, what he has said. He's talking about criticizing Hillary for taking money from Wall Street, criticizing her for Super PACs, right, criticizing her for all these big money fundraisers and then saying that somebody that does that has to be on the take or cannot be serious in terms of ...
PRESS: He's never said that.
CARDONA: Yes, that's exactly what he said.
JONES: He was -- right he does.
CARDONA: And the problem with that, I will show you, the problem with that is that President Obama has done all of that and he has ...
COOPER: Right, I mean, Ryan, that is the, Ryan, that is the counterargument that President Obama has gotten on to support from Wall Street as well.
LIZZA: That's right. The implicit -- if Senator Sanders is going to criticize Hillary for that and he's implicitly criticizing Obama, I do think, I know Bill is going to disagree with me here, there is a little bit of a pattern now with Sanders making very sweeping attacks on Hillary Clinton and sweeping policy pronouncements.
And then when being pressed on the details, he either doesn't quite have the backup or he sort of hedges a little bit. We saw it in the "Daily News" interview with his plan to break up the banks. We saw it to a certain extent with his responses on his position on the gun legislation about what to do with gun manufacture liability. And we're seeing it here with money in politics. If you're going to say someone is corrupt, then you need to point to the specific corruption.
[21:30:02] COOPER: And just ensure the coalition that he needs and whether it's a movement or not moving forward, he still needs to try to get more African-American voters.
KING: If he's going to win the nomination, if he's going to be a serious credible threat for the nomination all the way through California, yes, he has to correct her demographic lock on African- Americans and Latinos and he has yet to prove he can do that in a big state. He has to, number one.
Number two, I would take this further. Ryan makes a good point on this debate. You just had I think on this course. We talk a lot about the dysfunction, the fracture in the Republican Party. It's not as complicated, it's not as deeply structural as it is in the Democratic Party. But they've got, they have a split here.
KING: And getting those younger people especially, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, it is a two-way street to Senator Sanders talk Chris Cuomo this morning. But they're both going to have to work it really hard.
LIZZA: And he's not gone away, two open primaries in a row. '08, '16 split, 55, 45.
COOPER: We got to take another quick break. When we come back, a little game we'd like to play during our primary season.
We send Randi Kaye out in New York to see if people can name the presidential candidates when she shows them their pictures, how do New Yorkers do on this primary, done other states? Let's find out next.
COOPER: A several time from primary season. Our Randi Kaye has gone to the people to find out how well the voters know the presidential candidate. I'm not talking about the nuisances in platform, just whether people recognize who they are.
[21:35:08] Now, the field is being little down to five, I'm happy to report the game seems have gotten a little easier. And we're still a few challenges here and there in New York. Randi, takes a look.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: New York City Central Park on the eve of the New York primary. No better place to test voters' knowledge of the candidates.
Ready to play some candidate trivia?
SAM MAULDIN, VOTER: Let's go. KAYE: OK, who is this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
KAYE: Armed with an iPad full of photos of the five remaining candidates on both sides, we were impressed at first.
All right, your in, who's this
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
KAYE: You both knew it.
We didn't hear a whole lot of love for Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
You know anything about him?
SHAWN ANDREW, VOTER: I know a lot of things about him that I don't like.
KAYE: But everyone recognized him, except this woman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't believe I just forgot his name. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you can help over there.
KAYE: All the voters who played along recognized New York zone Donald Trump.
KAYE: First word that comes to mind for you?
DANIEL LYNN EVANS, VOTER: Unqualified. Sorry but that too much.
KAYE: First word, to comes to mind and.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kind of, it's just a joke.
KAYE: Who's that guy?
JODY WOOD, VOTER: Lord have mercy, Donald Trump.
KAYE: Ohio Governor John Kasich's face stumped our folks the most.
OK who's this guy?
SYDNEY LUSBY, VOTER: That is -- Jeb Bush?
KAYE: Oh no.
LUSBY: No, I don't know.
KAYE: You don't have to apologize.
Her twin sister got his name right in the end. These guys had to work at it too.
KAYE: Who is this?
ANDREW: Ted with an ...
KAYE: Yeah with the K. It starts with a K.
ANDREW: Is that George Kase?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not going to win?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There not going to win, yeah there we go, cannot going to win, starts with the K.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know who's that is.
KAYE: OK. It's not George.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh it's not case so it's not ...
KAYE: No it's case in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kevin.
KAYE: No. Then finally.
ANDREW: Ka-fish -- Kasich.
KAYE: This woman likes Kasich and still couldn't remember his full name.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This guy seem like the sanest of the three front-runners because he's not nuts.
KAYE: What's he's first name.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know. Came at his first name as Kasich.
KAYE: Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both scored well. Everyone knew their faces and most had only good things to say.
MAULDIN: My man Bernie.
KAYE: And what's the first word that comes to mind when you see him?
MAULDIN: My candidate.
KAYE: That's two words, but I'll let it slide. The first word it comes to minds when you see his face?
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Genuine, honest, man of integrity.
KAYE: And with Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary Clinton.
ANDREW: Hash tag, I'm with her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm with her.
KAYE: We tried to stump some with this picture of vice president Joe Biden, who once considered joining the race.
Is that guy running?
MAULDIN: He's not, but I wish he was.
UNIDETIFIED FEMALE: I don't know who is that.
KAYE: You don't know who that is?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ah ah.
KAYE: What if I told you that's our vice president.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, there you go.
KAYE: And when we tried to fool the group by including a picture of our own Anderson Cooper, this happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's Anderson Cooper, is he running?
ANDREW: That's Anderson Cooper, is he running?
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COOPER: And Randi joins us now, I hope you made it clear to those guys that I'm not running, Randi.
KAYE: Yes of course I did Anderson, but it really goes to show how so many people aren't sure exactly who is running and who is in the race and who is out of this race. Even the people that we talk with today Anderson, they're all planning to vote in the primary tomorrow and they still don't know for example what state Ohio Governor John Kasich is from. Some don't even know he was governor.
Another person we spoke with thought Ted Cruz was from Ohio instead of his home State of Texas. And even though Hillary Clinton as we know was a senator from New York, nobody guessed New York as her home state.
So clearly, Anderson, some New Yorkers in this group certainly need to brush up a bit tonight before tomorrow's primary.
COOPER: All right all there's a little bit of time. Randi, thanks very much.
There is breaking news outside of politics as well it bring you namely the rain and deadly flooding in Houston of the very latest on that. As well as the rising death toll distracting after the earthquake in Ecuador. Both stories, next.
[21:42:56] COOPER: A life threatening emergency that's how officials at Houston describe the flooding there those words sadly accurate at least five people have already died. Nearly a quarter trillion gallons of rain have fallen neither numbers, nor words though can't fully capture what is going on in around Houston. We got to see for your self.
Jennifer Gray has more.
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JENNIFER GRAY CNN CORRESPONDENT: The dramatic rescues all over the Houston area weren't limited to just people. Watch as this boat heads to rescue horses out of the stable leading them as they struggle to swim through the deep waters. Until they reached dry land.
More than 13 inches of rain fell in just six hours. Some areas receiving as much as 16 inches in the downpour. The fast rising waters have caused at least five deaths so far one man found in his 18 wheeler in high waters, two others found in submerged cars. Authorities not able to respond to every call for help because of the high flooding. There's flooding in every part of Houston according to officials.
MAYOR SYLVESTER TURNER, HOUSTON TEXAS: This is not the day to be on the roads in the city of Houston. Or quite frankly in our region. So if a messes and extreme -- extreme emergency, I'm encouraging all of Houstonians to stay at home.
GRAY: Bus and rail service in the city suspended. Schools and government offices are closed and though residents are urged to stay home, some still attempt to leave. This family trying to escape the floods in a canoe. More than 1,200 water rescues have been performed in the state, watch as this local news crew in Houston urges a man to abandon his car as the water rise quickly around him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dude you get out of the car. You got to get out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What should I do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Swim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Swim, leave the car, swim. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Leave the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Leave the car. Come here sir.
[21:45:13] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you just not think the water was that deep?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I didn't. My car is under.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got to leave the car.
GRAY: In addition to the rain, the storm brought hail the size of golf balls seen here at this golf range in Houston. Cars all over the area were at a standstill unable to pass through the storm.
Residents were trapped in this Houston apartment complex unable to make it down to the first floor because of the water. And the flooding is not over. Heavy rains will continue through Tuesday before the storms move on.
Jennifer Gray, CNN, Atlanta.
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COOPER: Unbelievable pictures. There is more breaking news. Devastation in Ecuador. A tragic update, just in the death toll rising to at least 413 after 7.8 magnitude earthquake hit Ecuador pacific coast over the weekend. Thousand of people have been injured. Countless people well they just lost everything. Rescuers and aid are pouring into the countries as crews continue to look for survivors.
Our Boris Sanchez is there.
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BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A desperate search for life continues here on a West Cost of Ecuador.
Now a race against time as rescuers dig the debris, families pray their missing loved ones will not be part of the growing death toll. Hundreds of people have died since Saturday devastating 7.8 magnitude quake.
According to tweets from Ecuador the government, 120 rescuers from Mexico and 53 from Cuba arrive before dawn today to offer aid. Teams from Columbia, Spain and Chile are expected as well.
The task before them, immense. Drone video from Puerto Rico shows the tops of buildings leaning precariously. Ecuador's President Rafael Correa toured some of the troubling scenes this morning posting photos to his official twitter account.
RAFAEL CORREA, PRESIDENT ECUADOR (In Translation): The resources have arrived. The whole country is mobilized. This is an enormous tragedy. SANCHEZ: Six coastal provinces are in states of emergency. No doubt the road ahead is uncertain for entire communities here, where livelihoods and neighborhoods who were crushed in an instant.
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COOPER: Boris Sanchez joins us now from the quake zone in Ecuador. Where are you? And, what you're seeing? How is it?
SANCHEZ: Anderson, we're on the Manabi Province of Ecuador, this is the most affected province by the 7.8 magnitude earthquake and we're seeing scenes a lot like the one behind me. I'm going to step out of the way you can get a better look. And what were seeing here, this behind me at one point was a two-story building with a store and three apartments in it. It's now essentially a heap of trash.
And you may not see but it's a power is out in this area. But right now the owner of the building and several of his cousins and friends were actually picking scraps hoping to salvage every thing that they can. We've actually seen a lot of this people picking up scrap metal hoping to recycle and make some money in a very dire time.
A lot of Ecuadorians are feeling the heat right now because they're essentially out on the street. Their homes have been destroyed and it's not just that homes are destroyed, it's also they are unsafe to go in. And a lot of people sleeping on the street because they feel it's safer than actually going into their homes right now. Anderson.
COOPER: And what about, you know, facilities for people, relief for them?
SANCHEZ: While there are a lot of evacuation centers being set up right now. As a matter of fact we're just down the street from a hospital that has set up some tents outside hoping to receive some patients, receive anyone that may need assistance. But it is simply the scope of this earthquake is simply too big, especially because the focus of the earthquake, the epicenter happening a very rural area. We have had had weeks of rain here in Ecuador and that has weakened roads. The earthquake simply decimated them. And, so getting the resources where they need to be has become a very difficult task for officials.
COOPER: Just terrible, Boris Sanchez, Boris thanks very much.
SANCHEZ: Thank you.
COOPER: Just ahead now in our remaining minutes I want to bring you a story of incredible strength and perseverance. Boston bombing survivor Adrianne Haslet march another milestone in her extraordinary journey.
Stay tune for that.
[21:53:08] COOPER: More than 30,000 people ran the Boston marathon today. Title wave but runners making 26.2 miles journey. Among them Professional Ballroom Dancer Adrianne Haslet, who lost her lower left leg in the bombing near the finish line three years ago.
Now regular viewer of that program now that we followed Adrienne's recovery closely. She's a remarkable person, who's grit was obvious from the moment I met here just a week after the bombing. Here's what he told me from her hospital that back then.
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COOPER: You want to run the marathon next year?
ADRIAENNE HASLET, BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SURVIVOR: I do. I can't believe I said that. Adam is been making fun of me the whole time, he's like I can believe you say that you're not a runner at all.
COOPER: So you're not a runner?
HASLET: I'm not a runner at all. No. But I was a ballroom dancer one point in my life either and so.
COOPER: So you're going to do it?
HASLET: I'm going to do it. Yeah.
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COOPER: Well today Adrianne once again show the world with Boston strong mean's completed the marathon. Another milestone in which been a remarkable journey.
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COOPER: This was Adrianne three years ago. Resilient against terror in tragedy.
HASLET: I feel like somebody has come along and said, oh, we're not going to let do you that anymore and now I'm can I'm going to prove them wrong.
COOPER: Her first priority before running the Boston marathon was to return to the dance floor.
HASLET: I'm just going to check it out and see what was going on.
COOPER: She agreed to document her journey to first walk and then dance again for a series of videos for "360". They would form the backbone of our documentary in Adrianne called "The Survivor Diaries."
HASLET: So exciting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stand out for me. Does it hurt?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. She's standing on her own.
COOPER: Through her own eyes we saw her triumphs and her struggles with both physical and emotional scars.
HASLET: I just want to go to bed like a normal person without taking my leg off.
[21:55:03] COOPER: Her first tentative steps into the dance studio just months after the Boston bombings eventually led to her first public performance at the annual Ted Conference just a year after the attacks. She received a standing ovation.
Six months ago Adrianne decided it was time to face one more hurdle head on, to make good on that promise to herself to run the Boston marathon.
HASLET: This race is not just about those that are on the track. It's about the people that are standing there brave, showing that we are all Boston strong, still three years later. And I couldn't thank them enough for that.
COOPER: You're looking at Adrianne Haslet and her prosthetic limb.
And today void by the people of Boston she battled through nearly 10 hours and of course to finally cross the finish line.
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COOPER: Amazing. We just learned the president has weighed in with his congratulations. Mr. Obama tweeted this, "thank you, Adrianne, for being Boston strong, terror and bombs can't beat us, we carry on, we finish the race", and that she did.
She's an inspiration to all of us here at "360." We just want to say congratulations, Adrianne.
We'll be right back.
COOPER: Before we go late update on the Houston area flooding. Weather advisory still up tonight, a flood warning effect until 12:45 a.m. local time, a flash flood watch in place until 7:00 tomorrow morning. Rain and thunderstorms forecast until tomorrow night, we'll of course be following this throughout the coming hours for any late developments.
[22:00:04] Thanks very much for watching. Time now, "CNN TONIGHT" with Don Lemon.