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[10:00:00] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to keep winning. We're going to win, win, win.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: But still taking swipes.

TRUMP: No New Yorker can vote for Ted Cruz.

COSTELLO: Can Hillary Clinton seal the deal?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm hoping to wrap up the Democratic nomination, but I'm not taking anything for granted.

COSTELLO: But Sanders says not so fast.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: New York state can help take this country a giant step forward. Let's do it.

COSTELLO: We're live across New York, with voting now underway, so let's talk. Live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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COSTELLO: And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me.

A major staffing shake-up on a major primary -- major primary day. Changes inside the Trump campaign as the GOP frontrunner battles for a win in his home state of New York. Voters already hitting the polls. Moments ago Mr. Trump left his home in Manhattan, there he is coming outside. He's expected to cast a ballot at a synagogue in midtown not very far away from the Trump Tower there.

Earlier today the Clintons were up bright and early, too. These are pictures from a polling station in Chappaqua.

The stakes are high. Hundreds of delegates up for grabs today and picking up a win equals a surge of momentum. We're following all of this with our team of CNN political reporters.

First up, the Republicans. Donald Trump soaking up a double-digit lead going into today's primary by taking hits at his main GOP rival.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: We're going to show Ted Cruz, who hates New York, hates New York, when you look at that debate and you see the way he talked about us and New York values, here is a man that turned down Sandy money for this state and plenty of other money. We had lots of things coming into New York, and he voted against. No New Yorker can vote for Ted Cruz.

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COSTELLO: For Trump it's all about playing up his New York ties. That's why Rex Ryan, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, introduced Trump yesterday at a rally.

So will Trump dominate with voters in a big, big way? Let's get right to CNN's Jason Carroll. He's at a polling station on Staten Island.

Good morning.

JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Carol. Well, you know, he is certainly expected to dominate with voters right here in Staten Island. A number of voters finally coming into this polling place, casting their votes.

Trump is popular in some parts of Staten Island, as you know, but I wanted to touch on something you had mentioned. Playing up those New York ties, Donald Trump. Well, you also know he has the support of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani telling Chris Cuomo this morning that he believes that Trump is the best candidate and wants to see him win.

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RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: I'm Rudy Giuliani. I mean a lot in New York politics. I endorse Donald Trump but I'm not part of the campaign.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: I don't understand. What does that last part mean?

GIULIANI: What does that mean is, I'm not a surrogate. They haven't asked me to do anything. I'm not involved in the campaign. I'm not called upon to give advice except a few times when I have volunteered it. I'm not part of the campaign apparatus and I don't want people to think I am.

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CARROLL: As you know, Giuliani was also asked about if he had any concerns about the Trump campaign. There have been a number of changes, last-minute changes in terms of some of the structure. They're unusual at this stage in a campaign, but in terms of going forward, Trump expected to have a better ground game. As a result, Carol, you know he's been complaining, criticizing this whole process of picking delegates saying that the system is rigged. One that favors someone like Ted Cruz over him. He had some harsh words for Ted Cruz. You heard some of them just a little earlier. Basically saying last night he felt as though no true New Yorker could cast a vote for Ted Cruz. Some good news for Donald Trump. As you know, he is leading way ahead in the polls here, ahead of Ted Cruz, ahead of John Kasich, expecting a huge win come tonight -- Carol.

COSTELLO: All right, Jason Carroll.

I was just looking over at my other monitor because Bernie Sanders is making his way through the streets of New York City greeting voters. Of course, he's a resident of Vermont, so he can't vote for himself in New York's primary, but you can see he's doing what he can to get voters to the polls, walking up and down the streets of New York City, shaking hands and just saying hello. We'll see if it works out big time for him later on tonight.

All right. Back to the Republicans now. A win today in New York for Mr. Trump means a boost of momentum, especially after a series of delegate gains by Ted Cruz. But Trump's campaign is in flux. It appears Corey Lewandowski, who was just cleared of battery charges after grabbing a reporter, is being pushed aside. And while I go on, let's take a look at Mr. Trump. He's in that synagogue on Lexington Avenue casting his ballot, presumably for himself.

But as I said, his campaign right now is in flux. So let me introduce my guest right now, Jesse Benton is the chief strategist for the Great American PAC, a Donald Trump supporter as well. He's also a former communications director for Ron Paul.

Welcome, Jesse.

Also Alice Stewart is with me, Ted Cruz's communications director, and Congressman Charles Dent is also here, a Republican from Pennsylvania. He supports John Kasich.

[10:05:10] Welcome to all of you. Thanks for being here.

So, Jesse, as you watch your candidate vote, what goes through your mind?

JESSE BENTON, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I just think we're going to see a great day here for Donald Trump. We're going to see a great week for Donald Trump and a very, very poor week for Ted Cruz. Trump is going to absolutely dominate in New York. And then heading into the five Atlantic primaries next Tuesday, he's going to dominate as well.

I think you're going to -- unfortunately for Ted Cruz fans -- see Ted finish third in several of these states, really put a lot of momentum and wind into Donald Trump's sails. Take a lot of starch out of Ted Cruz.

COSTELLO: And Alice, Ted Cruz is not campaigning in the state of New York any longer. He's moved on. I believe he's in Pennsylvania. Is that right?

ALICE STEWART, TED CRUZ COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: He'll be there later this evening, but, look, we have swept the last several opportunities. The last contests. We're winning the delegate game over the last several weeks and, look, what we're seeing with the disarray with the Trump campaign is evidence of the fact that Donald Trump is a failed leader. He tells everyone he's a great business leader and he can make things happen and make America great, but the fact is look at his history. Failed Trump U, Trump Steaks, Trump Mortgage, four bankruptcies and now he's showing that he cannot run a presidential campaign.

They're out there rearranging chairs on the Titanic with a field director that has left, just now bringing in someone to manage the delegate process. He clearly does not have the leadership skills necessary to organize and execute a ground game, and we're seeing that more and more.

If he cannot put together a team that can adequately execute a presidential campaign and this delegate process, how do we believe that he can possibly take on Hillary Clinton and certainly not lead this nation?

COSTELLO: OK.

STEWART: So this goes to show he is not the leader that he claims to be. When he fails, he whines and blames someone else, and that is certainly not presidential material.

COSTELLO: OK. I want to talk about --

STEWART: Whereas we know Ted Cruz has a phenomenal organization and grassroots.

COSTELLO: I want to talk about John Kasich for just a bit because he's in this race as well, and Charlie, I think the polls show him coming in second in the state of New York, although when he was speaking to reporters over the weekend, a reporter asked him about his single win in the state of Ohio, and you could tell that John Kasich perhaps was feeling the stress of the campaign. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, if you get to the convention in Cleveland and you have only won Ohio, do you think --

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There would be no if. There's no if in there. There will be when, and listen, at the end of the day I think the Republican Party wants to pick somebody who actually can win in the fall.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But if you have only won Ohio --

KASICH: Can I finish? I think -- I'm answering, Mike, the question the way I want to answer it. Do you want to answer it? Here let me hold that here. Let me ask you. What do you think?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I think you should answer the question.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COSTELLO: So, Charlie, both Mitt Romney came out again and said that maybe John Kasich or Ted Cruz should drop out, one or the other, or Trump would most assuredly have the nomination. What do you think?

REP. CHARLIE DENT, KASICH SUPPORTER: Well, I know the Cruz campaign has been saying for some time that Kasich should drop out. If John Kasich were to drop out, that would secure Donald Trump's majority of 1,237 without question.

The issue, though, is electability. John Kasich is by far the most experienced, best tempered, and frankly the most electable of all these candidates. Candidly, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz both have just very high negatives. I don't know how they can walk that back. But you look at how John Kasich performs in swing states. In Ohio he defeats Hillary Clinton by 20 points. We just saw a poll in Pennsylvania where John Kasich is beating Hillary Clinton by 16 points. Big numbers in Wisconsin and New Hampshire.

The point is John Kasich has a broader appeal, not a narrower appeal, and I think that's something we have to focus on. Both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump I think are -- don't have the capacity to reach beyond elements of the Republican base. They cannot embrace and get the support of persuadable Democrats, moderate to conservative Democrats, as well as independents. I think that's what we have to focus on, electability.

COSTELLO: Electability. OK. And a lot of people say, namely Donald Trump, that the system is rigged to get an establishment candidate through like John Kasich even though he isn't winning the popular vote and he isn't winning votes among the delegates either.

And Jesse, I'll ask you that question because you were a Ron Paul supporter, right? And the RNC changed the rules to keep Ron Paul from becoming the candidate of choice of the delegates. Do I have that right?

BENTON: They sure did. Look, the American voters want a system that's transparent and accessible, and the way that we elect the Republican nominee is anything but transparent and accessible. And if the RNC or power players in the RNC don't like the outcome, they've shown the capacity and the ability to go ahead and just change the rules. And they'll go ahead and try to do that for Donald Trump but it's not going to work.

[10:10:03] And I just would like to address the congressman's point about electability. He makes a very great point except he's got the wrong guy. Donald Trump has consistently shown his ability to mobilize and fire up a base of working class union people, African- Americans, to come out and vote Republican is unprecedented and I've got a --

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COSTELLO: Wait, wait, wait. Trump supporters keep saying African- Americans, but polls show he doesn't have great support among African- Americans. Where are you getting that? BENTON: I predict that Donald Trump -- I predict that Donald Trump

will win 25 percent of the African-American vote, which would just about double up George W. Bush's all-time high in the African-American vote from 2004.

COSTELLO: Alice, do you agree with that?

STEWART: I certainly don't. Look, the bottom line here is that all the talk about the crooked system is nothing more from a distraction from the fact that Donald Trump is a failed leader, with regard to bringing together a presidential team that can execute a successful campaign, and Ted Cruz has the right message. He has the right time. He has the ability to connect with people. Out of these conventions, these are grassroots supporters that we have organized and mobilized who are getting people out to support Ted Cruz.

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COSTELLO: Well, although I will say, Alice, that Ted Cruz doesn't have wide --

STEWART: And that's (INAUDIBLE).

COSTELLO: Ted Cruz doesn't have wide support among minority voters either.

DENT: Can I jump in on --

STEWART: The key to success in this race is galvanizing and unifying Republicans behind Ted Cruz's message of fighting against Washington, defeating Obamacare, reining in the size of government, and abolishing the IRS. That's what we're seeing at these conventions across the country.

COSTELLO: OK, Charlie.

STEWART: At the ballot box.

COSTELLO: Charlie --

STEWART: Unifying Republicans --

COSTELLO: We get it. Charlie, do you want to jump in?

DENT: Yes, I really do. Look, Donald Trump's appeal is very narrow. He's alienated Hispanics, women, Muslims, prisoners of war, a long laundry list of very offensive comments that he has made that are making it very difficult for him to win a general election. By the same token, senator Cruz has said repeatedly that he is appealing to a narrow element of the Republican base, and he has been pretty clear that many Republicans who don't -- you know, who don't conform with his litmus test are somehow impure, are somehow, you know, capitulators or surrenders. We saw that during the government shutdown. He was the only one pure enough to stand strong, all the rest of us were sell-outs. And frankly, that kind of message is exclusionary. The country has

evolved demographically and socially. I don't believe that those two candidates really reflect that change. John Kasich is much better able to adjust to the changing demographics of our country and has the capacity to appeal not only to Republicans but persuadable Democrats and independents by far.

COSTELLO: OK. All well-spoken spokes people for your candidates. I appreciate you stopping by on such a busy day.

Jesse Benton, Alice Stewart and Congressman Charlie Dent, thanks so much.

Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Bernie Sanders takes a walk around New York City, a last-minute push to get out the vote. His strategy, turnout. Will it work?

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[10:17:04] COSTELLO: All right. Lots of things happening here in New York City. You see Donald Trump there. He just cast his ballot for himself presumably at a nearby synagogue, a polling station was in a synagogue, and now he's back around the Trump Tower and he's talking -- he's talking to reporters and a couple of voters are standing around. He said it was a very proud moment. Do you want to -- let's listen just a bit.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- in the 9/11 bill. Why didn't you bring that up earlier in this -- in this race?

TRUMP: Because it's a very negative thought. I like being positive.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So you didn't want --

TRUMP: He gave very little -- but he gave very, very little back to New York, and it's a shame, but I want to be positive.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But you felt it was important to bring that up today?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What was going through your head when you are voting for yourself? You're in the voting booth, it's just you and the machine. You're voting for yourself. What is that like?

TRUMP: It's a proud moment. It's a great moment and who would have thought, and it's just an honor, and my whole reason for doing this is to make America great again. We're a country with tremendous problems and we are going to make America great again.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How do you feel about the campaign moving forward after today?

TRUMP: I think it's great. I think the campaign has been doing well. Many, many senators, governors, they're all gone. We have tremendous support, and, you know, having Ben Carson and having Chris Christie and so many others supporting me, Senator Sessions, we have amazing support, but I'm really honored and putting in that vote today was really something terrific.

COSTELLO: All right. So you hear Donald Trump after casting a vote, said it was a very proud moment for him, and as we showed you before, Bernie Sanders is actually walking the streets of New York City greeting voters trying to drum up excitement to get them to vote. There you see him. Of course he can't cast a ballot for himself because he's a Vermont resident but Bernie Sanders is out there working the streets.

All right. Chris Frates is catching up with voters himself. He's in Brooklyn this morning. So I'd like to check in with you. Hi, Chris.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Carol. And I can tell you, you can see I'm at a very busy Brooklyn polling place. Behind me you have folks checking in. If you take a little bit of a walk with me, I can show you this has been a long line, a steady stream of folks all day long. In fact, at one point the line was out the door, down the hallway, and around the corner. Folks grabbing their ballot, and as you can see, voting behind me now and casting their ballot.

And 1100 already cast today. Almost all of them have been Democratic. Only about 65 Republican votes so far. All those votes have been Democratic and that's going to be huge. This is the battle in Brooklyn. Bernie Sanders, of course, born and raised here in the borough. Hillary Clinton has her campaign headquarters just down the street. Hillary Clinton coming into today with a double-digit lead in the polls, feeling very good. In fact she voted in her hometown of Chappaqua. Just a few minutes ago, she talked to reporters afterwards. Here's what she had to say.

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CLINTON: It feels great, and I am so excited about both campaigning here in New York, voting here in New York, and I love New York, and this has been a joy during the last two weeks to be here all over the state.

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[10:20:06] FRATES: Now, of course, Bernie Sanders looking to upset Hillary Clinton here in his home state. He needs to win as many delegates as he can. He's lagging Hillary Clinton by about 200 delegates. There's 250 at stake here today, but, remember, this is not a winner-take-all state, it's proportional. So if Hillary Clinton continues to win, they will continue to amass those votes. Bernie Sanders looking to cut into her lead and get as many of those votes as possible.

He needs to win by wide margins here to help cut that delegate lead down, and as you're seeing behind me, Carol, and around, people voting, and a lot at stake here as folks continue to come to the polls all day long.

COSTELLO: It's nice to see it's a busy place. Chris Frates, many thanks. And you heard Chris say it, while Democrats often count on New York to

turn blue in presidential elections, today's primary could be one of the most important for the party and the state in years. 247 delegates up for grabs and for Hillary Clinton a win could be all she needs to put the nomination firmly out of Bernie Sanders' reach.

And in a "New York Daily News" op-ed, Clinton writes in part this morning, quote, "The spotlight here in New York shines brighter than anywhere else. We've seen that again in the past few weeks, including right here on the pages the 'New York Daily News.' You have to be able to answer the hard questions and show how you're going to deliver real results and you have to be tough enough to take on the Republicans and win. When you vote on Tuesday, think about which candidate really makes the grade."

I'm sure it's pretty clear who she's talking about here. So let's talk about that and more with Chris Smith. He's a contributing editor for "New York" magazine and Nomiki Konst, a Bernie Sanders supporter and former at-large member of the DNC council.

Welcome to both of you.

NOMIKI KONST, SANDERS SUPPORTER: Good morning.

CHRIS SMITH, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: Thanks.

COSTELLO: Before we get into the "Daily News" thing, I want to talk about the voters of New York. So you saw that polling place in Brooklyn. It's busy, Chris.

SMITH: Yes. Yes. So I was curious which neighborhood he was in because I voted in Brooklyn myself at about 7:00 this morning and it was lonely. You know, and you talk about who is the authentic New Yorker, they asked Trump what was going through his mind as he stepped into the voting booth, the machine, whatever it was there. If you're an authentic New Yorker what you're thinking is, will the machine work?

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SMITH: You know that's --

KONST: Yes.

SMITH: Always a question Election Day here unfortunately.

COSTELLO: Well, I hope that won't be a question this time around because supposedly every election season they say we've got all the problems fixed.

SMITH: Yes. We're getting there. A couple million dollars more eventually will be the 21st Century.

COSTELLO: Well, let me ask you this, Chris. Are New Yorkers excited to vote? SMITH: Yes, I think so. I mean, you've seen that all over the city

and the state with the turnout at rallies, all over the city. You know, Bernie Sanders in Prospect Park over the weekend and the Bronx last week, Queens last night. Hillary Clinton maybe not the massive numbers, but, yes, the excitement has been the highest certainly in 24 years when the last time New York presidential primary counted.

And on the Republican side, too, you're probably going to see a record turnout for a -- excuse me, a Republican presidential primary. So, yes, and it's important I think, too, because New York demographically, upstate, downstate, you put the whole thing together, is really representative of what you're going to see in the national general election in the fall.

COSTELLO: It's a microcosm of the country, right?

SMITH: Yes.

COSTELLO: So, Nomiki, let's talk about the "Daily News" op-ed written by Hillary Clinton because obviously she slammed Bernie Sanders, right? Her campaign actually says Bernie Sanders has been very negative and is attacking her at the expense of the Democratic Party. I want you to listen to something that Brian Fallon told me in the last hour of NEWSROOM. He's the press secretary for Hillary for America. Let's listen.

KONST: I know him.

COSTELLO: Yes.

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BRIAN FALLON, PRESS SECRETARY, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: The tone of the attacks was suggesting that if the Democratic Party doesn't see fit to nominate Bernie Sanders then it's not a party worth supporting and that is poisonous rhetoric that would seriously impair our party's ability to come together in these closing weeks.

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COSTELLO: So your response? Poisonous rhetoric that could harm the Democratic Party.

KONST: Well, this is coming from the man who invented the term disqualify. He sent out that press release on election night and as a result --

COSTELLO: You mean Brian Fallon?

KONST: Brian Fallon. He sent out a press release saying that their tactic was disqualify, defeat, and then unite the party later. Well, I'm not really sure how they're going to unite the party later when you have Bill Clinton going out there and being condescending toward young voters.

Hillary Clinton and her surrogates saying that young voters are idealists, they don't understand policy. The reality is -- and they keep talking about math. Let's talk about math. With all the money that they have raised from super PACs to working at the state party, with all the patronage promises that they have gone out there, the reality is that they've lost the last eight out of nine races.

They have capped their pledge delegate count at 200, and it has not budged for the past two months. Their approval ratings among Democrats right now is the lowest ever in a Gallup poll at 34 -- 36 percent, excuse me. They were up by 40 --

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COSTELLO: Let me stop you there because let's talk about this approval ratings.

KONST: Yes.

COSTELLO: Because Brian says part of the reason Hillary Clinton's approval ratings have dropped is because of attacks from Bernie Sanders.

KONST: Well, that's irresponsible.

COSTELLO: Calling her a shill for Wall Street.

KONST: You know --

[10:25:02] COSTELLO: And, you know, saying that she's not qualified to be president and --

KONST: Well, yes, he started the qualifications argument. And I don't want to go back to that. But the reality is that they have a messaging machine. 450 different surrogates out there saying the same statements over and over all day. Every single Democratic leader going to their district saying the same messages all day.

You know, Bernie Sanders is a scrappy campaign. You know, it's fueled by $27 donations. But you know what's amazing about this movement, when you're fighting the establishment like that, and she was up by 40 percent just a month ago in New York, and now she's only up by 6 percent with a 4 percent margin of error. And yesterday the NBC-"Wall Street Journal" poll shows them at a national statistical tie.

COSTELLO: So what's your prediction for New York?

KONST: I think it's going to be very close. And that's what matters. It's not that he comes in with a record lead like Brian Fallon wanted to say. He was giving advice to our campaign. What's important here is that he does well and ultimately if she doesn't reach that magic number and she doesn't reach that magic delegate number of 2383, we're going to the convention because ultimately those superdelegates have to decide at the convention on the convention floor, and those are elected officials who have to respond to their voters. They have an obligation to their voters.

COSTELLO: OK. So it's going to the convention and it might be maybe contested kind of chaotic kind of thing? Like the Republicans?

KONST: Well, one more thing to add, she's only winning with those 65 and older. Two demographics with 65 and older. Bernie Sanders has every single --

COSTELLO: Well, she's also winning among African-Americans.

KONST: But 65 and older, not -- under 50 Bernie Sanders is winning with African-Americans in every single demographic. We have to pay attention to this. The future of the party, the current party is Bernie Sanders' movement. It's not about Hillary Clinton being elected and patronage jobs. It's about the future of the party and the people.

COSTELLO: OK. So, Chris, you're my neutral guy.

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KONST: Sorry about that.

SMITH: All right.

COSTELLO: So the onus falls on you.

SMITH: Oh, my.

COSTELLO: So when Democrats sit back and look at this race, what goes through their mind? Do they think, oh, my gosh, Hillary Clinton is out of it, Bernie Sanders is the new Democrat? Do they think, wow, this should go all the way to convention and we hope it's contested? What do they think?

SMITH: You know, speaking for the entirety of the Democratic Party, I'm not going to go that far.

COSTELLO: I know that.

SMITH: But I think they're by and large proud that it's been an argument about the issues throughout. Yes, there have been some nasty sniping, personal, you know, words here and there, but compared to the Republican side, this has been an elevated dialogue. Yes, it's going to be contested. It's gone on longer and further than anybody might have predicted, six, eight months ago. But I think in that "Daily News" op-ed, in Hillary's appearance on "Colbert" last night, you saw -- I mean, they're confident of course that they're going to win on the Clinton side and they're starting to try to pivot to the national argument that what's going to bring Democrats together is the Democratic nominee versus Cruz, versus Trump, and if it's Bernie, you know, if it's Hillary, that's what's going to bring us together. And Hillary is already trying to get there and put Bernie behind her.

COSTELLO: And I have to leave it there. I do. I have to leave it there.

Nomiki, Chris, thanks so much for stopping by.

KONST: Thank you so much. Go vote, go vote.

COSTELLO: Absolutely. We can all agree on that.

Still to come -- let's go back out to Brooklyn and a polling station there because you see people are casting their votes and that's a great thing.

Also still to come in the NEWSROOM, today New York Republicans are, of course, choosing between Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and John Kasich, but what is an undecided loyalist to do when his candidate is out of the race? We'll ask him.

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