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Legal View with Ashleigh Banfield
Clinton Looks Likely Sanders' Winning Streak; Sanders Says He Can Win With Larger Voter Turnout; Have Attacks Fractured The Democratic Party; Sources Say San Bernardino Suspect's iPhone Contains Helpful Data; FBI Confident Terrorist Didn't Get Help After Attack; CNN Plays Candidate Trivia With Voters. Aired 12:30-1p ET
Aired April 19, 2016 - 12:30 ET
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[12:32:07] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Bernie Sanders out in New York today, as voters cast their ballots in this critical, critical contest.
Senator Sanders greeted supporters on the street earlier today because that's what you do in New York. You're on the sidewalk all the time.
A total of 247 Democratic delegates are up for grabs. And Senator Sanders is the underdog in this one by about 17 and that's a lot. But he has that so he can win if the voter turnout is large enough. That's why he's out in the streets.
And the Clinton's were also out of New York this morning they were casting their ballots where they live, Chappaqua.
So two different folks hitting the streets for two different reasons but the same price, for more on the Democratic battle for delegates, I want to bring in our man in Miami, Miami Beach Mayor and Hillary Clinton supporter Phil Levine -- Philip Levine and Bernie Sanders supporter and the author or the Essential Bernie Sanders and His Vision for America, Jonathan Tasini or others called Tasini. Thank you both.
JONATHAN TASINI, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: You can call me anything you want to, Ashleigh.
BANFIELD: I lover your sticker.
TASINI: I voted today, I was early, I'm an early bird, I always vote.
BANFIELD: Do you know the nerd effect that that has -- eye, when I vote and I wear it for two days. I do, I love it.
TASINI: What was great about it was, it was the most exciting vote I've had in my lifetime.
BANFIELD: What? What?
TASINI: Yeah, to actually go and vote for Bernie Sanders.
BANFIELD: Seriously.
TASINI: Yup, I took a picture of it and I tweeted it out. It was, because I sat there not just ...
BANFIELD: Did you vote for Hillary or Barack Obama?
TASINI: I voted in that ...
BANFIELD: ... was pretty big deal?
TASINI: But this was to me, this candidate, this person and what he represents is the most exciting candidate in my life. And because he is talking about the political revolution and the things he stands for are things I've worked for the last 34 years. That's not to denigrate or say anything bad about other candidates. But in terms of excitement going out to vote for Bernie Sanders, it was great.
BANFIELD: And a lot of people, Mayor, say the same thing. And yet there's this, I don't know, 17 points or so that he needs to make up and do some pretty serious magic by 9:00 tonight.
PHILIP LEVINE, MAYOR, MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA: Well, I can tell you this. As you know, I voted in Florida and we had quite a win in Florida. And I think Jonathan is definitely going to vote for Hillary in the general election there's no question about it.
But clearly, you know what, Secretary Clinton is ahead in the polls but that doesn't mean anything. She knows she has to get out the vote. We know that we need greater participation, the more participation, the better Secretary Clinton does because we need those Democrats to come out.
BANFIELD: Bernie says the more turnout, the better he does.
LEVINE: Well, this is Bernie's home state. He has to win today in order for him to even be somewhat, you know, competitive, he said in himself. But we know of course one thing Bernie is going to get. He is going to get the participation prize. But Secretary Clinton is going to get the blue ribbon.
BANFIELD: Did you hear that? Thanks for coming out for us. Are you going to take that sitting down?
TASINI: Well, I am sitting down ...
BANFIELD: Let me play for you, I thought this moment when I watch it was, he was just super profound because it kind wraps up this Bernie Sanders support who without a prospect from one of the 28,000 people who showed up for Bernie Sanders.
And she was asked about, but what if, what if he doesn't make it, then what?
And here's her answer. I may get your reaction on the other side.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) [12:35:06] HATTIE WEINER, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: I will vote for her but not with the joy and the sense of courage. Bernie is bringing up that feeling of America. I wish that Hillary will kind of say, you know, I think I have something to learn from Bernie.
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BANFIELD: I will vote for her, but not with the same joy. What does that say?
LEVINE: You know what, I can say this. When you have Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in the Republican ticket in the general election and Secretary Clinton is out there, those women, those African-Americans, the Hispanic population and the Americans that are for Democratic principles including the Bernie Sanders voters and supporters, they're all going to get behind Secretary Clinton.
And let me say, I really agree that Senator Sanders has brought a lot to the table. It's important that we unify the party and we need the support from his people in the general election.
BANFIELD: So going forward, you know, a lot of -- I don't think Secretary Clinton would say this, but a lot of people who work for her might say it, "Come on already."
If our margins are big tonight, you've got to pocket in and allow the brand to flourish and get bigger for the bigger prize which is the general election.
TASINI: I don't agree with that and here is why.
BANFIELD: How not?
TASINI: First of all, well, number one, Bernie has enough money to compete throughout the contest all the way to the convention and we will do that.
And the second thing that I think is very important, elections bring out volunteers. Elections bring out enthusiasm. I do not think it's good for the party for Bernie Sanders to get out. I do think he will still be the nominee ...
BANFIELD: Even if he's saying show us your damn taxes and all the -- I mean that's we're talking about a general election here.
TASINI: I still think that he will be the nominee. I think it's good for the party to have this debate. I think Bernie has defined this debate. He has defined what the debate should be in the Democratic primary.
It is good for the party to have this debate and I think this will continue right to the convention. Primaries are always tough things. When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton ran in 2008, people were having the same discussion. How are we going to define the party?
LEVINE: But Ashleigh, you know what, I think I have to agree with Jonathan on this point. I actually think what's amazing about the Democratic Party right now, whether it's Senator Sanders or Secretary Clinton. They're both fighting about how they can help the American people more. That's what this debate is about.
BANFIELD: You two are so delightful to each other.
LEVINE: But no, but we believe it. I think Senator Sanders has added so much to this great debate and we look forward to see his support.
BANFIELD: Well, we'll see if he can add to the fight or actually be the biggest part of the platform. But I think that's the big issue as we go forward.
LEVINE: All the way to the convention.
BANFIELD: Philip Levine, thank you.
LEVINE: Thank you.
BANFIELD: Mayor, it's always good to have you and Jonathan Tasini thank you, Tasini.
TASINI: Tasini, you got to call me with the right.
BANFIELD: Oh, I'll just call you -- I'll call you and get you to come back ...
TASINI: OK, all right, anytime Ashleigh.
BANFIELD: Thank you guys. Appreciate it.
So we've heard from the candidates, we heard from the analyst, we heard from the pundits.
Up next, we're go right to you, to the polls, to the voters. Because you all are the only ones on this day and any other primary day that really, really count.
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[12:42:15] BANFIELD: The polls in New York close at 9:00 p.m. eastern time, 9:00. Hopefully to give the people enough time to battle all the traffic and the trains and the commuting and all those crowds. You got to walkthrough before you cast your ballot in a very important day because this is a very important primary, A lot of delegates up for stakes.
Chris Frates joins me now from one of the better bureaus because I think he's in Brooklyn.
Give me a feel for how it's going. Have you talked to anybody?
CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Ashleigh. Yeah, you wouldn't know it right now. But this has been a very busy polling place here in Brooklyn. We're in a little bit of a lull. But I can tell you all day long, very steady here, the line sometimes out the door and around the corner. 1,650 people have voted so far, most of them Democrats and only about 90 Republicans so far, this making it a very important place for the battle of Brooklyn.
Bernie Sanders native son of this borough versus Hillary Clinton whose campaign headquarters just up the road, Hillary Clinton feeling very good going into today leading by double digits hoping that she can put a big victory on the board tonight and help make it mathematically impossible for Bernie Sanders to catch her.
And I want to bring in John Avanzino, John is a Democrat here in Brooklyn.
John, talk to me about who you voted for today.
JOHN AVANZINO, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: I voted for Hillary. And did so with conviction. She's got the background. She's got the experience. She's got the economic policies that I think we need to continue in further and solve the things the president has been attempting to do with unemployment coming down. I think she's got the foreign policy experience as well in what is the very difficult time obviously with all of the threats that have occurred in the Middle East and other parts of Europe.
FRATES: And talk to me a little bit about why you didn't vote for Bernie Sanders.
AVANZINO: While there are things about Bernie's approach that do attract certain Democrats like myself, it's the economics.
Chris, I just don't think are sensible enough, I don't think from all that I've read, that his economic policies can be worked through. That we will have the money to pay for all the things that he wants to do, so not a practical enough approach.
FRATES: OK. So there you have it, Ashleigh, John Avanzino a Brooklyn Democrat going for Hillary Clinton.
I talked to other Democrats here going for Hillary as well so we'll see as people continue to stream in. And this is going to be a bell weather spot. We'll keep our eyes on it and we'll report back to you as we start to get some results out of Brooklyn, Ashleigh.
BANFIELD: That is one really well informed voter. I got to tell you. That's impressive, Chris, holly cow. Tell Mr. Avanzino he's impressed a lot of -- thank you Chris Frates from Brooklyn, New York.
FRATES: I'll let him know.
BANFIELD: All right, thank you.
Coming up, we got some breaking news on the iPhone. Do you remember the iPhone that was retrieved from the San Bernardino murders, those terrorists? And all the fighting back and forth about who was going to help get the data off of the iPhone?
[12:45:13] Well, we've got some pretty interesting information about that coming up next.
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BANFIELD: We've got some breaking news for you about that San Bernardino attack and the investigation into it. The law enforcement officials who have been working on it are telling CNN that the hacking of the iPhone used by one of the terrorists, those murders, has actually now yielded some pretty interesting new data.
The hacking was its own story. How difficult it was to get into that iPhone in the first place. But the FBI did it with the help of someone else. And now at least a few things have been filled in, some of the missing pieces of the puzzle.
And our CNN Justice Reporter Evan Perez has been working on that with his sources. You actually had some of the puzzle pieces? What did they tell you?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE REPORTER: Well Ashleigh one of the key pieces here is really location data. Additional more specific location data about where this phone was during the time after the attack that occurred in San Bernardino.
[12:50:02] This is key because they had already gotten some information from the Cloud. From the iCloud and also from the cell phone towers which is in communication with the phone. This is a lot more specific. That really helps these investigators to try to bridge the gap on some really missing pieces of the puzzle.
Do you remember there were 18 minutes that they were not able to figure out, what exactly, where these people were and what they were doing? So this is helping them try to figure that out. They're still analyzing some of this data. Look at this hour, the FBI and Apple are on Capitol Hill just up the street for me fighting over this very issue of encryption and whether or not there's anything useful found on the phone.
If you talk the FBI they say, look even the lack of any big pieces of the puzzle really tells them a lot. It tells them that perhaps these terrorists were not in touch with ISIS supporters elsewhere that there was not another person who was involved in this attack that they should be looking for. So even that tells them a lot Ashleigh, so it's helpful to them that they've been able to get into this phone, it's a help of a private company that they were able to hire to do this.
BANFIELD: Yeah. So I'm still mystified by those 18 minutes because while they did find that maybe there wasn't contact with ISIS. They still haven't found out why these two murders, terrorist murders ...
PEREZ: Exactly.
BANFIELD: Were wandering aimlessly. So keep on that. And if you're sources can come up with any other information on what they did during those 18 minutes. I think it would be a good fascinating answer.
PEREZ: Absolutely, yeah.
BANFIELD: Evan Perez, thank you. Great job as always. Always getting the good stuff. Thank you.
Coming up, take a good look at these three pictures. Do you recognize them all? Could you name them? Like real fast if you had to in a quick oral exam, hopefully you can. But you might be shocked at what CNN's Randi Kaye found when just hit the good old streets in New York City and showed these pictures and a few choice other ones and conducted the instant test. It's next.
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[12:56:05] BANFIELD: So I'm going to show a picture to you and see if you can -- in a flash guess who it is. Got it, got it? Quick, James Danforth Quayle 44th V.P. of the United States better known as Dan Quayle.
So that's obscure, especially if you're under 30. But ahead of today's big contest in the big Apple, our Randi Kaye caught up with some voters here to play a little game of candidate trivia. And let just say some of were spot on and others not so much. Have a look.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: New York City Central Park. No better place to test voters' knowledge of the candidates.
Ready to play some candidate trivia?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go.
KAYE: OK, who is this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
KAYE: Armed with an iPad full of photos of the five remaining candidates on both sides, we were impressed, at first.
All right, you're in, who's this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
KAYE: You both knew it.
We didn't hear a whole lot of love for Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
Do you know anything about him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know a lot of things about him that I don't like.
KAYE: But everyone recognized him except this woman. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't believe i just forgot his name.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
KAYE: Did you just get help over here?
All the voters who play the long recognized New York zone Donald Trump.
First word that comes to mind for you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unqualified, sorry was that too much?
KAYE: First word to come to mind?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kind of just a joke.
KAYE: Who's that guy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lord have mercy, Donald Trump.
KAYE: Ohio Governor John Kasich face stumped our folks the most.
OK, who's this guy?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is Jeb Bush.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. That's right, I don' know.
KAYE: No. You don't have to apologize.
Her twin sister got his name right in the end. These guys had to work at it too.
Who is that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, with the K. Starts with the K.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that George K.?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not going to win.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not going to win. Yeah, there we go cannot going to win. Start with the K.
KAYE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know who that is.
KAYE: OK, it's not George.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it's not Kash (ph) KAYE: No, it's not Kash (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, it's not (Kash) (ph). Kevin?
KAYE: No. Then finally.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I gave up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kasich?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kasich. OK.
KAYE: This woman likes Kasich and still couldn't remember his full name.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He does seem like the sanest of the three front- runners.
KAYE: What his first name.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because he's not nuts. I don't know.
KAYE: Can't remember his first name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kasich.
KAYE: Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both scored well. Everyone knew faces and most had good things to say.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My man, Bernie.
KAYE: All right. And what's the first word that comes to mind when you see him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My candidate.
KAYE: That's two words but I'll let you go.
What's the first word that comes to mind when you see he's face.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Genuine, honest, man of integrity.
KAYE: And with Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's Hillary.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hash tag I'm with her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm with her.
KAYE: We tried to stump some with this picture of Vice President Joe Biden who once considered joining the race. Is that guy running?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is not but I wish he was. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know who is though.
KAYE: You don't know who that is?
What if I told you that was our Vice President.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, that's was going to say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, there you go.
KAYE: And when we tried to fool the group by including a picture of our own Anderson Cooper, this happened.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's Anderson Cooper.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anderson Cooper. Is he running?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That somebody, somebody Coop (ph).
KAYE: Candidate trivia. All part of campaign 2016.
Randi kaye, CNN, New York.
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BANFIELD: Adorbs. Anderson was quick to point out he is not running but I think if he did he would win. That's just me talking.
Hey, we're following the New York Primaries all throughout the day here at CNN and special coverage begins at 5:00 p.m. eastern right here only on CNN.
Now stay tuned for the big daddy. Wolf Blitzer. His show starts right now.
[13:00:03] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who you voting for?
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm really honored and putting that vote in today was really something terrific. Have a good time.
BERNIE SANDERS, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hello. We've feeling very good. And there a lounge voter turnout.
