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Aired April 23, 2016 - 13:00   ET

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[13:00:14] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Hi, hello again, everyone. And thanks so much for joining us. I'm Fredericka Whitfield.

An intense manhunt continues this hour, investigators are trying to figure out who killed eight members of a family execution style. The killing murders took place as the family members left. And investigators have no idea yet of a motive or suspect. It all happened in (INAUDIBLE) Ohio, a small town about 95 miles east of Cincinnati.

Three young children were in the home but were not killed. The brutality of the murder has stunned those who knew the family.

Our Nick Valencia spoke moments ago to the family's pastor.

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PASTOR PHIL FULTON, UNION HILLS CHURCH: I think the most disturbing detail in all of this was one of the victim's was killed next to her four-day-old baby. You know, that is heartless. I cannot believe how anyone could kill another with her four-day-old baby in her arms. That's out of my realm of thinking that anyone could do that. How heartless. How hard hearted, and I think how could a person with any heart at all do something like this? And it's unimaginable to me. I just -- that's hard for me to grasp.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What bothers you? What has been on your mind? What kept you up last night?

FULTON: Thinking about the families. Most of all, you know, you come home, you try to relax a little bit, but it keeps going over and over in your mind. I knew these folks. These folks it was trying to work. Dana had worked the night before. Got off at -- I believe she got off at 11:00. Come home. Expected to, you know, relax probably a little while and then go to bed. And I think she came home thinking she would go to bed and rest, get up the next morning. And for people to be stalking them or be there taking -- wanting to take their life and they did. And I'm thinking, what else will happen in our community? What's going on? What -- what can we do? And in my mind I'm thinking, how can I better minister to these folks? Reach out to the families that is left, the mom, the dad, and the siblings. Nieces and nephews that is weeping and crying, and just wondering why?

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WHITFIELD: Investigators are hoping to get to the bottom of the why and the who. And of course, there will be availabilities from the investigators a bit later on. Of course, when we get that new information we'll pass it along to you.

All right, to politics now. Donald Trump holding a rally in Bridgeport Connecticut. That state heads to the polls on Tuesday, one of five states who do. Let's listen in.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hope comes from Connecticut. But I have fantastic people. Paul Manafort just came on. He is great. And Corey, we all know Corey. And hope and many others, and I have all these people and they are great people. I mean, they are great people. And it's so unfair. So Paul goes in, has a meeting with the Republicans down in Washington, no, Florida, actually, Florida, they want to have a nice really beautiful sunshine. They went to Florida and they had a meeting and he said, yes, Donald Trump knows he is really smart and he will, you know, be different when he's in private, which of course everybody is. When I'm speaking, who is not different than when you are in a private room? So he's different here than he is there. Of course, we all are, right, I think? And we are different when we are talking about a policy speech as opposed to a speech where I'm with people, my friends, I call these my friends. You know, we have the most loyal group of people. Every poll shows -- in fact they had people on the other day, we will never leave Trump, the said. You know, one of the most dishonest media people, the most world's most honest people. What will it take you to get you to leave Donald Trump? A woman, great women, I just want to hug that television set, what would it get - I was watching. She had ten other friends behind her. What will it get for you to drop Donald Trump and go to another candidate? She goes, listen. Stop talking. We are never dropping him. There is nothing he can do. There is nothing. It's true. And every poll shows that. And her friends in the back are going, yes, that's right, that's right.

I'll tell you what, and the other people, you are going to see the other people if they like sneeze in the wrong direction, they get dropped, OK? We have the most loyal people on the cover of "Time" magazine. It is all over the place. We have unbelievable - love you too. I mean, you know, I don't have to be doing this today. You don't have to be doing this today on a Saturday afternoon. There is so many things. And you look and it's such an honor to have houses. Look at all these people up there. I mean, all right, folks, we haven't forgotten you. Don't forget you are doing much better than the people standing outside. You've got to remember that.

But it's been amazing. So Paul was down and he said, yes, Donald, and Donald will be a good member of the party, you know. Right now we are fighting the party because it's a rigged system, OK. It is a rigged system. So you know, over a period of time my wife would say be more presidential. Ivanka would say be more presidential. And I started thinking. And I said, I can, you know, being presidential is much easier than what I have to do. Here I have to rant and rave, I have to keep you people going, otherwise, you are going to fall asleep on me, right? If I was presidential, first of all, I would have a teleprompter. Did you ever see crooked Hillary Clinton? She walks in, good afternoon Bridgeport. How are you? This is crooked Hillary Clinton. Then people start yawning, leaving, the whole thing is a disaster. And she will be a disaster as president. She'll be a disaster. But here is the thing, look, so he said -- he said Donald -- hey, look, you know I'm a smart guy. I went to the best school, the best everything. I'm like really smart. I say I'm so smart, I don't want to even tell people you will all drop me.

[13:05:47] WHITFIELD: All right. Donald Trump up lending his campaigning and entertainment chops there from Bridgeport, Connecticut ahead of the primaries there in Connecticut and in four other states. Our Jason Carroll is there. And so, you know, Jason, it's a lot of schtick going on here. And we keep hearing from Paul Manafort and even, you know, Donald Trump a few days back that you are going to -- we are all going to see a much more presidential Donald Trump. Is this it?

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, in terms of being presidential, you can heard him say it right there on live television. He said it's easy to be presidential. He can do it. He just doesn't want to do it right now. And he certainly doesn't want to do it when he's addressing crowds like right here in Bridgeport and earlier in (INAUDIBLE).

You know, some of his critics say, you have heard like within some of those within his own party saying you have got to get up here when you are addressing crowds and act more presidential, talking about it right now, Trump is talking about it. But he says that's easy to do. He says but that's not what the crowd responds to.

In terms of earlier today here in Bridgeport, we have already heard in some of the name calling. The lying Ted, the crooked Hillary, and the crowd really seems to respond to it. I want you to listen to him once again what he said about being presidential. And how he actually just poked fun at being presidential.

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TRUMP: I saw they don't like to get down here. You know, we keep -- I'm going to talk about that in a second, because it's interesting. Isn't it nice that I'm not one of these teleprompter guys where you come in, well, first of all, if I was, I would have an audience of about three people here in the front instead of -- this is the biggest crowd in the history of the school. When I'm in a room talking (INAUDIBLE), when I'm out here talking to you people I have got to be different, right. I mean, I can say basically the same thing. So Paul said no, he is different when he is in a room and then he goes out and speaks it's different. And then if he gives a policy that's different. You know, we all have like with smart people you act differently. (END VIDEO CLIP)

CARROLL: The rally here in Bridgeport interrupted several times by protesters, Trump saying what makes a rally more interesting. He said nothing is more interesting than a Trump rally. He said what's more fun, Fredricka, than a Trump rally -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Jason Carroll, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

All right. Also this hour the Democrats are stumping. Bernie Sanders, he is making the rounds. Right now, he is in Baltimore. You see him right there.

Chris Frates joins us now with more from Washington.

So Chris, you know, Sanders has, you know, been continuing to put up a fight for delegates despite this widening gap between he and Hillary and they are continues to also be this dialogue. You saw it in today's "Washington Post," you know, about what appears to be kind of a real splintering within the Democratic Party, and whether this party can unite because it seems to be going down a very similar path than what we have been seeing from the Republicans, the kind of infighting and now we are seeing at least a heightened tension between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. What kind of concerns are there within the party that it will be difficult to unite it once it comes down to the general election?

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. For those are all under currents here that we are seeing is both Sanders and Clinton that the crisscrossing is host today, and they spent a lot of their day yesterday at dueling events in Pennsylvania, ahead of the big primary there on Tuesday. And that Pennsylvania stump was a homecoming for Clinton who campaigned near Stratton (ph). That's where her father was born, and where she said she spent time during the summer.

So you saw Hillary Clinton kind of weave in a lot of local references. But she stayed away from going after Sanders. Instead, she was aiming her fire instead at Donald Trump hitting him for his proposal to temporarily ban Muslims for entering the country.

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[13:10:38] HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And when you have someone running for president who basically says we don't want any Muslims in our country; that sends a message. I know some of these lines get big applause responses in these rallies that Trump has, but stop and think, is that smart? Does that work? Does it help us? Does it protect us? And the answer to all of that is no.

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FRATES: Now, a new poll shows Clinton leading Sanders there in Pennsylvania by almost 30 points. And Sanders, too, didn't attack Clinton as frequently as usual on Friday. But he did slam her as he often does for taking super PAC money, and for having a super PAC behind her and Clinton herself for giving those six figure speeches the special interest. And that was in fact, he echoed today just moments ago, while he was campaigning in Baltimore.

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SANDERS: One of the differences between Secretary Clinton and myself, and it's a profound difference, is how we have chosen to raise money for our campaign.

CROWD: We don't need know super PAC.

SANDERS: You took the words -- you took the words right out of mouth.

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FRATES: So there you have Bernie Sanders campaigning in Maryland. He'll go to Delaware later today. And Clinton, well, she is in Connecticut and Rhode Island. Those are all states that vote on Tuesday, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks so much. We'll check back with you, Chris Frates. Thanks you.

All right. Up next, fans pouring in paying tribute to Prince outside his estate there. You see the balloons are multiplying as are the fans.

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[13:15:47] WHITFIELD: Hundreds of fans are still gathering outside the Minnesota home of Prince today leaving messages of love for the music icon. Flowers, balloons and handwritten notes, just some of the items ling the fence outside Paisley Park studios. Prince died Thursday morning. And now an intensive investigation is underway to determine exactly what happened.

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SHERIFF JIM OLSON, CARVER COUNTY, MINNESOTA: We are going to leave no stone unturned with this and make sure that the public knows what happened.

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WHITFIELD: The autopsy was performed yesterday, but it could be days or even weeks before we learn the results.

CNN's Victor Blackwell is at Paisley Park.

And Victor, while the investigation is underway, you know, there continue to be celebrations really around the globe, and part particularly where you are, you know, the purple balloons, people wearing purple. I'm wearing purple in mourning. And I know your favorite song is "Adore." My favorite song is either "Do me, baby," or "Purple Rain." I feel like I got a lot of favorites. But are you hearing the music out there? People also, you know, singing lyrics, as well as telling stories of, you know, how Prince touched them?

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, that is surprising. There is not as much music was one would expect here. But you see some of the old t-shirts. You are seeing some purses, some key chains, you are seeing any memento that has Prince's face, the name or image on it. And some people are leaving those things here.

As you mentioned, this memorial here outside of Paisley Park is growing. There is a sign here that says the beautiful ones, you always seem to lose. Of course, that's a reference to the '80s hit Beautiful Ones from Purple Rain. But it seems like every purple flower within a hundred miles of this place is here at this fence. Balloons, special notes. Some of them have been sealed here and are unopened.

People coming here to express gratitude, maybe talk with some fellow fans. We have seen plenty of people wiping tears, but of course everyone has the question how? Why did this happen? You mentioned the investigation that is ongoing. We do know two things have been ruled out. The sheriff saying here yesterday that suicide has been ruled out as a possible cause, also no signs of trauma on the body. But the investigation, as you said, will take time. It typically takes weeks to get a toxicology report back. But in the meantime we are hearing not only from the fans but from people who worked with and knew Prince well including his former fiancee, Sheila E. Here is what she said about Prince.

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SHEILA E., FRIEND OF PRINCE: When I first met him, it was during his first record and as an artist hopefully everyone does change as an artist and as a song writer so that they continue to grow. And that's what he did. He kept pushing the boundaries, you know. He wanted to make different music, you know, different times in what he felt what he was going through, what he felt like. You know, who he was influenced by. He was always influenced by the people that he was surrounded by. And as the bands had changed as well.

So you know, his music has changed and it was a great thing. I think for him, he doesn't want anyone to mourn. Knowing him he wants everyone to celebrate, celebrate him and celebrate his life, and celebrate all the things that he had done for all of us because he did it for us. Everything that he did he did for us.

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BLACKWELL: And you are seeing some of Prince's youngest fans here signing a banner just showing that they were here. And they, too, were grateful. And some people are here, not just because of the music. We have learned about some of the unknown philanthropy over the last couple of days here.

Now, I spoke with the mayor of this city just a few hours ago, and the question is, so what now happens to this facility? What happens to Paisley Park? Well, he says that the city is talks with Prince's family to determine, will this become a museum where people will be able to go in? Others are wondering is that a violation, because Prince was so private about much of his life. Although there were performances here. Those discussions will happen over the next few weeks and months. But for now, people are coming here just to say thank you, leave a flower, maybe a balloon, and talk with some other fans, Fred.

[13:20:08] WHITFIELD: Yes. And I love what Sheila E was talking about, the celebration. And I feel like that is the mood behind you. But, you know, people can't help but also mourn, and when they pull out that music, look, Victor, if you were in here in this studio today, you would get a chance to hear some of the many CDs that I brought from my collection and that's only a tiny taste of the collection of Prince, you know, music that I have. But I think everyone has been playing his music in a different vein, listening to the lyrics a little more closely and absorbing the magic that is prince.

BLACKWELL: I can't tell you how many times I played "Adore" over the last couple of days. I mean, it is just an amazing song, an amazing love song.

WHITFIELD: So great. All right. Thank you so much for taking us there with you, Victor Blackwell. I appreciate that.

We'll have much more on the legacy of Prince and the connection that he had with his hometown there. The city's mayor, in fact, is our next guest after this.

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[13:25:01] WHITFIELD: Prince's music helped make Minneapolis a major player on the music scene as he turned out hit after hit, part particularly at his Paisley Park studios. It influence so great that on the night of his death, monuments and landmarks around the world lit up in purple, including the I-35 bridge in Minneapolis there.

Joining me right now to talk about what Prince meant to the city of Minneapolis is Mayor Betsy Hodges.

Mayor Hodges, good to see you. So on your Web site you wrote, you know, for the residents of Minneapolis, the loss of Prince is too large to describe. His music brought untold joy to people all over the world, but in Minneapolis it different. It harder here. Prince was a child of our city. And his love of his hometown permeated many of his songs. Our pride in his accomplishments permeates our love of Minneapolis.

What a beautiful tribute. And mayor, that really does speak, and we can tell that that really comes from your heart and the hearts of so many there in Minneapolis. So give us an idea, you know, how it is that he kind of really kind of transformed that city, you know, through his art, through his presence, even from the story of his own upbringing there, and that he would return even in his fame, and continue to live there.

MAYOR BETSY HODGES, MINNESOTA: Well, Prince was of Minneapolis and we are in many ways of Prince. You know, he never left us. We have never left him. He went to high school in Minneapolis, central high school, actually with my husband. You know, he has been all over the world, but he always came back home again to us. And we always embraced him when he came back. And so you know, the world mourns the loss of his genius and his big heart and that energy. And he could fill any space that he was in. But he didn't fill any of it the same way that he filled Minneapolis.

WHITFIELD: It's been so beautiful to hear people there talk about how while he loved his privacy, he really was a neighbor, you know, he lived there and claimed that city, and it was known and I guess there was just certain level of respect that everyone had for his privacy, but at the same time really claimed him as our neighbor. And we are very proud of that.

HODGES: Yes. You know --

WHITFIELD: You see him around town sometimes?

HODGES: People would see him around town a lot. I didn't often. But I felt him and his presence around town. And people would tell their stories often. You know, I was at such and such a place, and there was Prince. Did you say anything to him? Well, no, he was busy. You know, I think there was an unwritten rule there and an unspoken rule there. My only concern is I hope he knows how much we loved him. I hope he knew that when he was alive and I certainly hope wherever he is he knows now.

WHITFIELD: And what do you hope, you know, as this investigation goes forward, but then there is the thought, the idea, the wonder about Paisley Park, and what will come of it? What are your thoughts? And maybe it's too fresh, but what are your thoughts about what that will represent, what will happen to that space, how he will continue to be memorialized?

HODGES: I think that's really up to Prince's friends and his -- but mostly just Prince's family and his team. What they want to do there. I know I have been working on ideas with the city to present to his team, which they knew on ways to honor him in the city. It was my deep hope and expectation I would get to do that while he was living. And I'm just heartbroken that we couldn't do it while he was alive. But certainly want to do it now. Because he is so much Minneapolis.

WHITFIELD: Mayor Hodges. Thank you very much. And how revealing that your husband went to high school with Prince. And you know, I have seen the pictures of Prince, you know, great basketball player, all five two of him. But there is a photograph in the year book of him, you know, in uniform. Does your broth ever remember his basketball days, Prince's basketball days?

HODGES: You know, when he talks about him, it's more about, you know, him being quiet in the basement playing music during house parties. I mean, the music is really what a lot of memories are, you know, that I hear about. But I see those yearbooks because my husband is in them, too. WHITFIELD: All right. Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges, of course, our

hearts are going out to you. All those touched by Prince. And thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.

HODGES: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: We'll be right back.

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[13:33:27] WHITFIELD: Welcome back. President Barack Obama sending a powerful message telling a group of young British voters that discrimination is still happening in America.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There is still discrimination and aspects of American life even with a black president. And in fact one of the dangers has been that by electing a black president, people have said that there must be no problems at all. And obviously you see Ferguson, some of the issues that we've seen in the criminal justice system indicating a degree of to which that was always false. So does that mean that all the work that was done along the way was worthless? No, of course not. But it does mean that if any of you begin the work on an issue that you care deeply about, don't be disappointed if a year out things haven't been completely solved. Don't give up and then succumb to cynicism if after five years poverty has not been eradicated and prejudice is still out there somewhere and we haven't resolved all of the steps we need to take to reverse climate change. It's OK.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Speaking of change, the president's message there, this is Obama's last trip as president to England, just wrapping up some golfing there with David Cameron. They will have dinner before as this trip is all over, and then President Obama heads to Germany tomorrow.

Meanwhile, the fight to be the next United States president, the successor continues right here in the United States. And it is not just a race for the White House, it also means a race for money.

CNN's Tom Foreman explains just how much money these candidates are raking in and spending.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Fredricka. The money involved in this presidential campaign is absolutely monumental and the March fund raising numbers prove it.

Look what Hillary Clinton pulled in during March, $26 million for the month. She is over all collected more than $182 million out there. Notably her burn rate, the rate which she is spending has pulled back a little bit, a clear sign she is trying to keep some in reserve in case this keeps dragging on.

And maybe she should do that because look at Bernie Sanders over here. In March almost $45 million came into his campaign. He has a total amount of somewhere around $183 million. So their totals are somewhat commensurate, as he always likes to point out a lot of smaller donors involved in this money, too. People keep going back to again and again to keep the race moving on.

Now, what about on the Republican side? Big money flying around there as well. Let's start with Ted Cruz over here. His numbers for March, about 12 and a half million dollars coming in, his total somewhere around $79 million. That's much smaller than the Democrats. But remember a whole lot more candidates on the Republican side to divide all those donors.

We do have numbers for John Kasich. We are not going to get into those, because we are looking at the top two front runners right now. He has made too pretty decent fundraising but it's falling off the further he falls behind.

And what about Donald Trump over here? These are the numbers that make everything get weird here, because his contributions for March only around $3 million total contributions, only around 12 and a half million, but remember he is putting millions of his own dollars into this race. That makes it all look a little bit strange.

The bottom line is when you add up all this money, and you consider the rate at which they are spending it and moving beyond normal media to say they want to just buy commercials and buy ads, that tightens up, we get closer and closer to the possibility that we could have a race that reaches this number before it's over $5 billion total spending on this campaign. That's one of the projections out there. That would be a whole lot more than in 2012. And if you made it into single dollars, how much is that? That would be enough that you could actually take a line of dollars and essentially build a ladder to the moon and back from dollar bills. That is how expensive this campaign could be before it is all over -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Wow. That is costly. Thanks so much, Tom Foreman.

All right. Straight ahead, a look at the charges filed over the Flint water crisis.

Plus, we will hear from a whistle blower, that's all coming up on CNN

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[13:41:42] WHITFIELD: Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is speaking out about the Flint water crisis saying he does not think he will face criminal charges and the state is doing everything it can to ensure Flint has safe drinking water.

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GOV. RICK SNYDER (R), MICHIGAN: Unfortunately it's been politicized nationally so much. But (INAUDIBLE) that we are doing things on the ground to help the citizens of Flint. That involves the water and water infrastructure systems. That involves better healthcare to how do we mitigate particularly the effect of the lead particularly with children. The educational system with early childhood opportunities. These are programs we are doing but expanding them there.

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WHITFIELD: This week charges were brought against two state environmental quality officials, Mike Prizby and Steven Busch pleaded not guilty to six felony charges against him. A Flint City official will also be charged. The charges come nearly two years after the city of Flint began exposing tens of thousands of its residents to the toxic water. The Michigan state attorney general says these criminal charges are only the beginning.

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ANDY ARENA, CHIEF INVESTIGATOR: We will get you the answers and we will hold those accountable. We are not targeting any persons or people. Nobody is off limits, either.

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WHITFIELD: All right. CNN's Sara Ganim has more from Flint.

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SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Allegations of tampering, negligence, purposefully altering test results to make it look like Flint's water supply was safe when it was not.

BILL SCHUETTE, MICHIGAN ATTORNEY GENERAL: They failed Michigan families. Indeed, they failed us all. I don't care where you live.

GANIM: Two officials with the state department of environmental quality, Steven Busch and Mike Prysby, facing charges of official misconduct tampering with evidence and violation of the safe drinking water act. Prosecutors say they deliberately failed to treat the water properly, leading to high levels of lead, bacteria and disease. The crisis has left flint deprived of clean water for nearly two years. It caused hundreds of Flint children to be poisoned with lead. Twelve people died of the water born legionnaire's disease and officials are investigating. They suspect that it was caused by the poorly treated water.

SCHUETTE: No one is above the law.

GANIM: Another official at the city's water treatment plant also charged with helping to cover up the warning signs that flint's water was toxic. Mike Glasgow told CNN last month in his only sit down interview that he tried to do the right thing but was directed by Busch and Prysby to change the water testing report in early 2015.

You changed the report with the lead numbers in flint residences, did you do that to try to cover up what was happening?

MIKE GLASGOW, FLINT'S LABORATORY & WATER QUALITY SUPERVISOR: No, I only did it because I was instructed to.

GANIM: Did you ever argue with them on whether or not you should change it?

GLASGOW: No, I just asked the question why, and they gave -- they cited some, I guess, solidified reasoning to remove a couple items. So I didn't question it much further.

GANIM: Glasgow goodbye Busch and Prysby convinced him to make the changes for technical reason. He believed it was because some homes only had partial lead piping. He said he didn't feel he had the have the power to overrule their decision, but prosecutors say that isn't enough.

TODD FLOOD, SPECIAL PROSECUTOR: That defense didn't work in several places where you are ordered to do something, right? (INAUDIBLE). That's a tough, tough situation with regards to Mr. Glasgow. But when you did a criminal act, an overt act, and you had the corrupt mind to do that act, you are going to be charged.

[13:45:13] GANIM: There may be some people out there, some members of the community who believe that you share some responsibility for this. What do you say to them?

GLASGOW: I think about that every day. I was a key figure, I guess, in some of this looking at I'm operating the treatment plant, overseeing some of the sampling, but born and raised here in flint. I would never do nothing to hurt this city or its citizens.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Sara Ganim, thank you so much for that reporting.

So Prysby and Busch pleaded not guilty to all charges. CNN was unable to reach any of the men for comment.

All right, right now, I'm joined by one of the whistleblowers who uncovered the Flint water crisis. Virginia tech civil engineering professor Marc Edwards led an independent team that tested Flint's water. He found the river water to be 19 times more corrosive than water from Detroit which came from Lake Huron.

All right, professor, good to see you. When you heard that press conference, when you heard of the charges, what were you thinking and feeling?

MARC EDWARDS, CIVIL ENGINEERING PROFESSOR, VIRGINIA TECH: Well, we thought in summer of 2015 that environmental crimes were being committed here both by the state, Michigan department of environmental quality and a senior EPA administrator. And that's why we went to Flint and worked with the residents to test, to safe keep their water. And we also uncovered that report that had been changed and altered to essentially convert Flint's grade of an F, for failing for lead into an A. So I think it's very clear we hold people accountable for essentially destroying a city which is what happened here by the time you count for the death, and also the damaged pipe infrastructure.

WHITFIELD: I mean, all of these people who have been poisoned and you mentioned the 12 who died with legionnaires, and you know, young, old, just everything in between who have been poisoned. So what is your conscience been like, you know, after making this discovery of this, you know, toxic -- these toxic figures in the water, personally what did you feel when you saw these numbers and what potentially was happening to people's bodies, ingesting this.

EDWARDS: I felt shame because my profession, the scientists and engine nears from my profession caused this problem. And it could have been prevented. We have been screaming at the EPA for 10 years to stop the cheating that is occurring. And EPA did nothing over the last decade. So when it happened, unfortunately I was not surprised. I was expecting it. But unfortunately, it happened to these poor people in Flint who did nothing to deserve this.

WHITFIELD: And what do you think should happen next? We heard from the attorney general in that very powerful press conference and other, you know, lead investigators who said there will be more charges coming. In your view how high up would it potentially go? How far down the food chain would it potentially go, given there are a lot of eyeballs, you know, and a lot of people involved in the availability of making this water available for people, imposing it on people.

EDWARDS: You know, based on my experience looking at these unethical decisions made over the last decade or so, it's very clear there were a few key core bad apples at the Michigan department of environmental quality that misled just about everyone from the governor's office to the mayor to the state health department. And so, certainly they have to be held accountable as does the senior EPA administrator who essentially covered this problem the state that EPA would not be helping the residents of Flint.

WHITFIELD: So you do believe it was a cover-up in terms of the many people who knew because there was such a delay before there was a state of emergency -- and do you also have, you know, in your heart the feeling of intention? Why would anyone want to be complicit or involved in something that ultimately ruins people's lives, and everyone, knows it?

EDWARDS: Yes, I think like most engineering and science disasters start out innocently, maybe someone forgot to do their job, but you know, as in politics, it's always the cover-up that gets you, ignoring warning sign after warning sign, and finally at some point you clearly cross into the line of criminal negligence where you know Flint's children are in harm's way, and you are not only doing nothing about it, but you are fighting outside people like Virginia Tech, like all the people who stood up for the kids of Flint, trying to discredit them and frankly working overtime to keep the kids drinking that water and allowing the damage to occur. So, it's really the cover-up that crosses the line into this, you know, criminal negligence category.

[13:50:20] WHITFIELD: Do you personally feel some relief that you help exposed this?

EDWARDS: I'm sorry.

WHITFIELD: Do you personally feel relief that you helped expose this?

EDWARDS: Oh, my God, yes. I mean, you know, if we did not get involved, those kids would still be drinking the water. The harm would have been done. But, you know, you could have blamed the problems on bad parenting, bad school, bad local government, and the city would have been destroyed and children's future wouldn't be harmed. So we had no choice.

WHITFIELD: All right. Virginia tech professor Marc Edwards. Thanks so much for your time. Appreciate it.

And we'll be right back.

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[13:54:40] WHITFIELD: All right. Anthony Bourdain has traveled near and far to bring you "PARTS UNKNOWN." And he recently sat down with Anderson Cooper to talk about what is coming up on his next season which starts tomorrow night.

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ANTHONY BOURDAIN, CNN HOSE, PART UNKNOWN: Well, the stuff that you are not to stop on protecting these things.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, AC 360: Inside these things?

BOURDAIN: It is one of my favorite, favorite, favorite -- I could eat all of that. Just pass that happy. Oh, yes. Some people have textural problems with it.

[13:55:10] COOPER: Yes. That's my issue, I think. What's the food?

BOURDAIN: The food -- it is, pork is king. They love whole roasted pig. A dish called sisig, which would probably hate, which is sizzling chopped up pig face with a raw egg.

COOPER: Pig face?

BOURDAIN: Yes.

COOPER: Why do you need to eat the face of a pig? I mean, there is plenty of other things to eat. Why do you have to eat the face?

BOURDAIN: Deep delicate interplay between meat and tendon and cartilage and crispy skin and fat.

COOPER: So you are actually eating like pig nose and cartilage and everything?

BOURDAIN: Have you ever had a hotdog? What do you think is in there? It is not chopped up enough?

COOPER: Yes. I guess -- is that really what's in a hot dog? Is it true?

BOURDAIN: You wish. But it's a show about -- the Filipino propensity for looking after other people. They are very proud, very generous people, and I -- we wanted really hard to address because I personally feel very close to a lot of Filipinos in my life who have touched me and my family, this is a show that means a lot to me.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Can't wait. I hungry for more. The season premiere of "PARTS UNKNOWN" airs tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern right here on CNN.

And we will be right back.

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