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[14:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: We know there is a vast empire left behind after Prince's untimely death last week. What we don't know is who inherits it. There now may be a clue. His sister, Tyka Nelson, filed papers in Minnesota, that indicate, as far as she knows, Prince did not have a will, and she's asked the court to appoint an administrator to the estate.
Let's bring in criminal and civil trial attorney, Eric Guster.
Nice to see you, my friend.
ERIC GUSTER, CRIMINAL & CIVIL TRIAL ATTORNEY: Good to see you, Brooke.
BALDWIN: Let me just begin with this one possibility that because we know that Prince and his sister were estranged for quite a while, is it possible Prince being, you know, quite private and mysterious did have a will. She just doesn't know it.
GUSTER: It is extremely possible. And when you have a death, oftentimes a person will ask the court to appoint them special administrator to get into the probate court and what they want to do is get in line to get money and with Prince being the businessman and the entrepreneur that he is, it's very shocking for him to not have a will and, Brooke, what we see coming out of this, relatives out of the woodworks over the hundreds of millions of dollars that Prince has and is going to earn later on.
BALDWIN: What I do know and you could be right but I know that his sister wants a bank that she claimed handled the financial affairs to take over. If there isn't a will, how will that decision be made?
GUSTER: What the judge is going to do in probate court is they look at the family tree. They determine when's an heir, who was able to get money. When's entitled to get money and how much money is there? And they look at the debts because if Prince had a mounting debt and debt collectors, they file paper work in court asking to be paid for any debts, credit cards, bills, houses, real estate, any debt that Prince had. So the court would determine who gets what, what amounts and a lot of lawyers involved because the family members will have lawyers, the court will have lawyers appointed. So it's going to be extremely costly throughout this process. BALDWIN: What about, you know, the song sales and the wake of his
death certainly, you know, that will become even more priceless. I imagine the estate value will increase. How does this affect the process, as well?
GUSTER: Oh, that is going to affect it immensely because after his death, estimated that he may sell over half a million dollars worth of records or iTunes and downloads. So what that does, that increases the estate tremendously and what will happen with that, the court is going to take all of that into the estate. Every dime that Prince has left goes into the estate whether he has a will or not, and will be determined by a judge as to who gets it. All of that money will definitely have a huge impact because his record sales are booming. He's in the top 10 right now with numerous records after his death.
BALDWIN: Not to mention the music the world hasn't heard and value of that.
Eric Guster, for now, I thank you very much.
Coming up here, to politics. For the Republicans who want to be president, winning in Pennsylvania could all come down to the unpledged, unbound delegates. Dozens of those, free agents on the ballot today. We're talking to one of them next.
Also, Hillary Clinton slams Donald Trump for being an out-of-touch billionaire. But hang on a second, because Secretary Clinton is not destitute herself. And critics are already calling her on that. Could it backfire for her? We'll discuss that.
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[14:38:58] BALDWIN: When it comes to these primaries, Pennsylvania Republicans do things differently there. There are a total of 71 Republican delegates at stake. But here's the deal. 54 of them, they're unpledged, so what that means is that, come convention time, they can vote for whomever they want, regardless of which candidates gets the most votes today in the state of Pennsylvania.
CNN's Randi Kaye went to Pennsylvania to find out how this works.
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CALVIN TUCKER, UNBOUND PENNSYLVANIA DELEGATE CANDIDATE: I'm hoping. I'm uncommitted, and will be until I have to cast my first vote.
UNIDENTIFIED UNBOUND PENNSYLVANIA DELEGATE CANDIDATE: Right now, I'm uncommitted.
Good. How are you doing? What's going on?
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's what makes Pennsylvania unique. Of the state's 71 delegates, 54 of them will remain unpledged, more than any other state. Meaning they can vote for whichever candidate they want at the convention. And here's where things get really tricky. In choosing delegates,
voters in Pennsylvania may have to guess which presidential candidate a potential delegate will support.
(on camera): This is a sample primary ballot for the voters to use here in Pennsylvania and here on the Republican side are some of the delegates that we interviews. And you can see all that's there is a name. You don't know about their allegiances or which presidential candidate they're supporting.
But on the Democratic side, they show that. For example, this delegate committed to Hillary Clinton. Over here, committed to Bernie Sanders.
But back on the Republican side, what could happen is a voter could conceivably end up voting in a delegate who supports a different presidential candidate than that voter.
(voice-over): That means the candidate who wins the popular vote in this state may or may not win the most delegates. It all depends on how these unpledged delegates eventually decide to vote at the convention.
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BALDWIN: All right. So let's stay on this. 54 unbound Republican delegates in Pennsylvania, you know, they're ordinary folks, and largely unknown. But if elected, they will become extremely popular and potentially influential.
Let's bring in someone vying for the job. He is Dr. Seth Kaufer, one of more than 106 everyday Pennsylvanians on the ballots hoping voters send him to the unbound delegates.
Dr. Kaufer, nice to meet you.
[14:40:10] DR. SETH KAUFER, PENNSYLVANIA DELEGATE CANDIDATE: Hi, Brooke. Nice to meet you, too.
BALDWIN: OK. So it's been covered right now by out countdown clock, but you have I have a "I have voted" sticker and you have voted -- there we go -- as a Pennsylvanian, but as a delegate here, are you still undecided?
KAUFER: I am officially uncommitted heading into the convention. But you're right, it is a beautiful day here in Pennsylvania. We have great weather. We have a great turnout so far for Republicans and Democrats. And I'm actually running for one of three spots with three people running, so --
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KAUFER: -- currently, I am uncontested in my race. So, you know, that has afforded me the ability to be uncommitted, I think, a little easier than maybe the only races.
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KAUFER: There's only three of us on the ballot for three spots.
BALDWIN: As someone uncommitted, how would you then commit? Walk me through that process.
KAUFER: I think everyone has a different formula for it. It's a big talk here in Philadelphia and throughout the state. Some people are saying it should go with the district vote. Some people are saying you should respect the statewide vote. For me, I think of it as I'm a representative of Republican voters and I want to represent the state and district well at the convention. I was there four years ago as an alternate delegate.
And I look at it as, you know, representing the city. I'm a ward leader. I have 2,000 Republicans in Center City and south Philadelphia. I have my fingers on the pulse of the grassroots people. We registered record numbers of new Republicans in Philadelphia and statewide this year. So, all those factors, of my committee people, also, you know, being involved on the vice chairman of the Philadelphia Young Republicans, as well, so being a Millennial and a young Republican, we're under represented in the delegates so far and the government. So having that voice at the convention, I think, is important. And my role as a physician, I hear --
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BALDWIN: So everything to pull from. I'm listening to you and hear. And you're involved. But at the end of the day, who are you listening to, to say, OK, I'm going with "X" person?
KAUFER: I don't think that decision's been made but the most important factor to me will be the state vote and the district vote.
BALDWIN: OK, OK.
KAUFER: But depending how the whole process lays out, I'm getting daily e-mails, calls, people hunting me down at our addresses, which are printed, to ask for support for a certain candidate or not. And the campaign themselves have --
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BALDWIN: -- those calls kind?
KAUFER: A lot of time, they're respectful, yes. They're asking for me to hear their perspective. And I certainly am willing to do that because I think any of our candidates are better than the Democrats. And we need to win in November, and winning is the key factor, I think. We can't --
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KAUFER: With all this momentum, the record turnouts, the record registrations, we need to take it on to victory in November. Otherwise, we lose the executive branch and the judicial branch, the Supreme Court, for a generation.
BALDWIN: You know, you made an excellent point a minute ago. I was talking to a host here at CNN, Michael Smerconish, and he lives in Philadelphia. And he was talking to a panel of, you know, voters in Pennsylvania, all of whom had switched from "D's" to "R's, either because -- this is the interesting part -- either because they wanted to be Republicans to be part of the stop Trump movement, vote for any other Republican candidate than Trump, or so totally love, respect, drink did Trump Kool-Aid that they want make sure they get in to vote for Trump this election process. And people saying Pennsylvania could go from blue to red. How are you seeing that play out where you are?
KAUFER: Exactly. I mean, I'm just taking it for all the good it's worth and riding the wave. I'll register people for Trump, register new Republicans that want to vote against Trump. The more people in Philadelphia -- we're already outnumbered 7-1. If we can get new Republicans involved on our ward committees, involved in all the groups and the hard work we do every election to try to keep Philadelphia close so Republican candidates win statewide, all of these new people are going to be part of that. And we're going to make sure we're putting them to work and involved in the process. So everyone --
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BALDWIN: Just quickly, when you hear people call Pennsylvania -- when you hear people call Pennsylvania a beauty contest, do your eyes roll or do you think there's some truth to that?
KAUFER: I may have just rolled my eyes. I'm not sure. I mean --
BALDWIN: OK.
KAUFER: -- I think the delegates very much take this role seriously. We had to think about it a long time ago. Get signatures in the ice, cold winter, 250 registered Republicans in the district, so it's no joke, and not something you take lightly. Even though we're looked at as sort of free agents, I think we are taking the role seriously and want to respect the voters of our districts.
BALDWIN: OK. We'll loop back. I'm going to find you in Cleveland, Dr. Kaufer, all right?
KAUFER: Looking forward to it.
[14:45:10] BALDWIN: Thank you. Thank you so much, in Philadelphia for us today.
Next, Millionaire Hillary Clinton criticizing the lifestyle of Billionaire Donald Trump. Might that strategy backfire on her? We'll explore that.
Also, speaking of pennies, nickels and dimes, the lavish mansion used to home to Donald Trump. It could be all yours for the cool price of $45 million. We'll take you inside.
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BALDWIN: If you are in the market for, say, a mansion, you might want to take a look at a very unique listing. This home was once the quaint summer getaway of Donald Trump. It is every bit as spectacular as you would expect. And given the asking price, Trump probably wishes he had kept it.
Richard Roth goes the see it for himself.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & CEO, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: I have lived in Connecticut. I have so many friends in Connecticut. I love Connecticut.
[14:49:57] RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump once loved a "yuuge" Connecticut summer house her owned in leafy Greenwich to the south. The suburban getaway was just 32 miles from Manhattan where Trump was hitting his stride creating Trump Tower and other properties in the '80s.
Trump, wife, Ivana, and their three children enjoyed life along the Long Island Sound, beginning in 1984, described as a trophy property by real estate experts. There's now 20,000 square feet to relax in.
Ivana decorated the home while she was also sprucing up Donald's Plaza Hotel in the late '80s.
Memories: A chef who prepared chicken and sauce one night, and a parrot observing the married couple.
And now, it can be yours.
TAMAR LURIE, REAL ESTATE AGENT, COLDWELL BANKER: They bought it for about $4 million and it's now on the market for $45 million. A lot of has happened since they bought it.
ROTH: You can say that again. Donald and Ivana divorced in 1991. She the got the home, which she sold for $16 million in 1998.
(on camera): Yes, I would like to see the home.
(voice-over): The price has soared with property extensions and new features, such as an indoor swimming pool and tennis court. Only one family has lived here since the Trumps.
LURIE: So this is the library. And, you know, it's very much the way it was when Donald Trump lived here.
ROTH (on camera): Ah, reading the paper in this elegant home. Very comfortable here.
Only these days, Donald Trump is the one making the news.
(voice-over): Broker Tamar Lurie lived in a Trump Tower 5th Avenue apartment and knows Mr. Trump, whose name might goose the purchase price of the suburban home.
LURIE: We have a lot of celebrities in Greenwich. Clearly, if he becomes president, it's a total different connotation to the whole thing.
ROTH: What you remember most from a visit is the three-story rotunda in the entranceway.
(on camera): This beautiful double staircase could have been good practice for Donald Trump should he enter the White House, full of regal staircases.
(voice-over): The broker thinks the tony town of Greenwich favors Trump.
(on camera): I thought I saw a sign someone was putting up, "Donald Trump slept here," on the lawn.
(LAUGHTER)
LURIE: It might have, but not yet.
ROTH: Richard Roth, CNN, Greenwich.
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BALDWIN: Well, Donald Trump has certainly resonated by -- with millions and millions of voters. But is he out of touch with regular Americans? As we showed you, he's amassed a fortune in real estate and reality TV. But just listen to what Democratic front runner, Hillary Clinton, said about Trump's relationship with the Average Joe.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: -- and barely keeping their head above water. So, Donald Trump says wages are too high in America and he doesn't support raising the minimum wage. And I have said, come out of those towers named for yourself, and actually talk and listen to people.
(CHEERING)
CLINTON: You know, at some point, if you want to be president of the United States, you got to get familiar with the United States.
(LAUGHTER)
You've got to spend time with Americans of all sorts and backgrounds in every part of our country. Don't just fly that big jet in and land it --
(LAUGHTER)
-- and go make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of.
(LAUGHTER) And then go back, get on that big jet and go back to, you know, your country clubhouse in Florida or your penthouse in New York. I somehow don't think that kind of puts you in touch with what's going on. I have spent now more than --
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Let's talk about that. Rana Foroohar, CNN global economic analyst and "Time" assistant managing editor, is with me now.
Critics already saying, hang on a second, of all people to say Donald Trump needs to get down with the people.
RANA FOROOHAR, CNN GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: Yeah.
BALDWIN: Is Hillary Clinton, a little "pot calling the kettle." You laugh.
FOROOHAR: I mean, I'm laughing because, of course. You know? It's a billionaire versus a millionaire, right? None of them particularly Main Street.
I think what's particularly interesting is, is this is a message to resonate with Americans who still believe, I think, in what some might call the mythology of bootstrapping your way up, the idea that any American can be rich. And people like Donald Trump, hey, great, they can be rich and I can be, too. Or do people say, she's right, and he is flying off to the towers with the name on them and he's out of touch with our lives. Whether or not they see her as a solution to that, though, is another question.
BALDWIN: Fascinating, and had the conversation about how, you know, white working class folks love some Donald Trump.
FOROOHAR: Yeah.
(LAUGHTER)
BALDWIN: I think they love the success. It's a bit of a -- I had a conversation with someone that wrote a piece in "New York Times" magazine about prosperity gospel-esque, in terms of those preachers, flying around in their jets and mega millions, and saying, you need to give to me because I'm going to help you get there.
FOROOHAR: It's fascinating, too, because in some ways Hillary Clinton and, or I should say, Bill Clinton crafted some of the rules that actually allowed people like Donald Trump to get as wealthy as they have, some of the deregulation done in the 1990s under the Clinton administration, rules around executive compensation. He could come and say, hey, Bill Clinton made the rules. On the other hand, Donald Trump and many rich people in America have benefited from them. And I think that's where the friction is going to be.
BALDWIN: We pulled more sound. This is Hillary Clinton in 2014 talking about her personal finances. Take a listen.
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[14:55:15] CLINTON: We came out of White House not only dead broke but in debt. We had no money when we got there. And we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea's education.
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BALDWIN: Dead broke.
FOROOHAR: Yeah.
BALDWIN: That was just two years ago.
FOROOHAR: Yeah. I think that's going to come back to haunt her. People don't relate to that. The big question is, policy-wise, is her administration going to be like her husband's economically or is she going to be more progressive? We don't know the answer to that yet.
BALDWIN: We'll see.
Rana Foroohar, always a pleasure.
FOROOHAR: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Thank you very much.
Next, hear what the Trump campaign -- heading out of polling places to perhaps that could help his chances. We have that for you.
Also, one Senator could get the award for most-bizarre pep rally when he invoked Donna Summer and the term "Jo-bama" when he introduced Secretary Clinton. Do not miss it.
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