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[02:00:17] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to our viewers all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.
ERROL BARNETT, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Errol Barnett. You are watching a special two-hour edition of CNN NEWSROOM with extended coverage of five U.S. presidential primaries. And they really were incredible. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are celebrating with big wins across the northeast. Trump sweeping all five Republican contests.
CHURCH: Democrat Hillary Clinton winning the biggest delegate prizes, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Connecticut. She also won Delaware, while Bernie Sanders took Rhode Island.
BARNETT: Now Trump says he's well on his way to winning the Republican presidential nomination. He spoke to supporters at his campaign headquarters in New York.
CHURCH: Let's go through the numbers for you. And in Pennsylvania, Trump wins with 56 percent of the vote. Ted Cruz with 21 percent. John Kasich, 19 percent.
BARNETT: Yes, incredible numbers there. Similar story in Maryland. Trump taking 54 percent of the vote there as you see. Kasich with half of that at 23 percent. And Ted Cruz further behind at 18 percent.
CHURCH: And in Connecticut, Trump wins with 57 percent of the vote. Kasich, 28 percent. Cruz, 11 percent.
BARNETT: And essentially all the other states followed the same trend. In Delaware, Donald Trump had 60 percent. Kasich at 20 percent. Cruz at 15 percent.
CHURCH: And in Rhode Island, Trump, 63 percent of the vote. Kasich, 24 percent. Cruz, 10 percent.
BARNETT: Now, because of all of those numbers, it's understandable why Donald Trump is now shifting his focus to the general election.
CHURCH: And he has a message for his rivals. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I consider myself the presumptive nominee, absolutely.
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I mean, honestly, Senator Cruz and Governor Kasich should really get out of the race. They are -- they have no path to victory. They have no path to victory. And honestly, they should get out of the race and we should heal the Republican Party, bring the Republican Party together. And I think that Governor Kasich and Senator Cruz have really, really hurt themselves with a faulty deal that was defaulted on before they even started.
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CHURCH: And Trump says he is confident he can beat Hillary Clinton if she becomes the Democratic nominee.
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TRUMP: Well, I think the only card she has is the woman's card. She's got nothing else going. And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent of the vote. The only thing she's got going is the woman's card. And the beautiful thing is, women don't like her, OK?
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CHURCH: AND We're certainly going to hear more about that in the hours ahead. Hillary Clinton is claiming victory in 4 of the 5 Democratic primaries. She spoke to reporters in Philadelphia Tuesday night, praising her rival Bernie Sanders and his push to get unaccountable money out of politics.
BARNETT: That's right. Clinton with a resounding victory in delegate-rich Pennsylvania. Take a look at these numbers. She received 55 percent of the vote there. Bernie Sanders at 43 percent.
CHURCH: Clinton wins Maryland can 63 percent of the vote. Sanders, 33 percent.
BARNETT: And check out the numbers in Delaware, Clinton swept with 59 percent of the vote there. Sanders with 39 percent.
CHURCH: A late surge gives Clinton Connecticut as well. She has 51 percent of the vote. Sanders, 46 percent.
BARNETT: But Bernie Sanders does have something. CNN projects he will win the Rhode Island primary, just barely there, at 55 percent of the vote to Clinton's 43 percent.
CHURCH: Now, Hillary Clinton's campaign says victory is in sight after Tuesday night's crucial primary contests. BARNETT: Yes, during a rally in Pennsylvania, Clinton made an
apparent gesture of goodwill to her rival Bernie Sanders. Take a look.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I applaud Senator Sanders and his millions of supporters for challenging us to get unaccountable money out of politics and giving greater emphasis to closing the gap of inequality. And I know, together, we will get that done.
(CHEERS & APPLAUSE)
Because whether you support Senator Sanders, or you support me, there's much more that unites us than divides us.
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CHURCH: Senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny shows us how Clinton is making big strides toward her party's nomination.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: A big night for Hillary Clinton, winning the state of Pennsylvania, the biggest collection of delegates in this critical primary night.
[02:05:05] Hillary Clinton has the momentum now, the energy now, the strength of the Democratic Party behind her. This is extending her winning streak with three big wins at least tonight. She knows that the Democratic nomination is all but hers.
She extended an olive branch to Bernie Sanders and his supporters. She said there's more than unifies this Democratic Party than divides it. Of course, there are divisions deep within this Democratic Party, but Hillary Clinton tonight by winning big in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Delaware, she knows that she is one step closer to becoming the Democratic presidential nominee.
Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Philadelphia.
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CHURCH: And CNN politics reporter Tal Kopan joins us now with more on the race. Good to see you, Tal.
TAL KOPAN, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Hi.
CHURCH: So this Super Tuesday seems to be the game-changer with both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton now talking like it's a general election and targeting each other. Is that what we're dealing with now? Have the other candidates essentially become irrelevant?
KOPAN: Certainly not irrelevant. Hillary Clinton has done more to lock up the nomination at this point than Donald Trump. On the Democratic side, Clinton really doesn't need to win very many delegates from here on out to clinch the nomination. Going into tonight, before Hillary Clinton's big night, Bernie Sanders needed to win 8 in 10 of the remaining delegates in order to overtake her. So she's been sort of riding a cushion for a while and she only expanded on that tonight. But Sanders put out a statement that indicates he does not see himself as irrelevant, and he is going to continue all the way to the convention to continue to push the issues that have propelled him to this sort of insurgent candidacy we've seen.
On the Republican side, Donald Trump can call himself the nominee, but he certainly isn't yet. It's looking more and more likely that he may be able to accumulate the delegates he needs to clinch the nomination out right. But we may not know until the very first vote at the convention in July if he has actually done it. So he still has some work to do, and the other candidates do still have a shot to force those multiple votes at the convention. We just don't know yet what the likelihood of that is.
CHURCH: All right, I do want to just listen to a part of Trump's victory speech for a moment, and then we'll chat about it.
OK, we don't have it. But basically, a lot of people are talking about wanting to see Donald Trump become more presidential. Did you see any of that? Did you see a change in any tone at all throughout his victory speech?
KOPAN: That's a great question and, personally, I didn't think so. I thought it was pretty vintage Trump. He said things like being presidential is so easy and eventually he will go ahead and be presidential, but right now, he's sort of trying to win.
And he made some comments. You know, we showed a clip of that just a little bit ago. Standing behind him was Mary Pat Christie, who's the wife of the New Jersey governor Chris Christie, and she sort of visibly grimaced a little bit when he was making the comments he made about Hillary Clinton only having any votes because she's a woman and playing the woman card.
So once again, we see Trump sort of go off-message a little bit, get into these fights that he doesn't -- that if he were sort of sounding presidential, he perhaps would not be getting into. But he also said, on the one hand he said he wouldn't be changing. He is who he is. On the other hand, he says his delivery might be different even if the ideas are the same.
So it's still a confusing mess of classic Trump that we're seeing.
CHURCH: Yes, you mentioned Chris Christie and his wife, their facial expressions. Certainly social media has jumped on top of that.
KOPAN: Absolutely.
CHURCH: But I do want to ask you about Hillary Clinton reaching out to Bernie Sanders and his supporters in her victory speech. How likely is it, do you think, that this outreach will work? KOPAN: There's some polling on this. And there's definitely a
faction of Bernie Sanders supporters who say they will not support Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee. I wouldn't say it's the majority of Sanders supporters by any means. And, you know, we won't really know until we see how a general election shapes up.
This is a question on the Republican side as well. You know, how sort of deep is the dislike of the candidates, even when faced with only the alternative of the other party? There's also a question of how much people just sort of stay home.
So she's definitely reaching out to Sanders supporters. He's made some comments indicating that it's going to be her job to convince them. He's really using every ounce of leverage he has to force her to sort of come towards him on some of his key issues, including minimum wage, including cracking down on Wall Street. There's still a little bit of a stand-off between them on where she will come down. But in the end, it's likely that the majority of Sanders supporters will probably support her in a general election, especially if she's facing a conservative Republican.
CHURCH: Tal Kopan, great to talk with you. Let's do it again next hour.
KOPAN: Yes, that sounds good. Thanks.
[02:10:02] BARNETT: Now let's take a look at the all-important delegate count. Remember, these are the individuals tasked with voting for the nominee for each party. Donald Trump won 142 of them on Tuesday. John Kasich Republican presidential nominee.
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MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: But what we will see play out in the next couple days will be an all-out effort by those who do not want to see Donald Trump become the Republican nominee try to stop him. The question is will be able to? And right now, I would not put your money on those forces.
BARNETT: And Trump's rival, who tried to really embody that "Anybody but Trump" faction, is Ted Cruz. What are his chances in the week to come? What should be his way out?
PRESTON: Well, his only way of staying in, as well as John Kasich's way of staying in, is to, in fact, win Indiana next week. And not only win it, but win it in a substantial way so that not only does he take all of the delegates that would come with a state-wide win, but as well as the delegates that would come that are apportioned in a different mathematical way by their congressional district.
Basically, Ted Cruz needs to beat Donald Trump and he needs to beat him big in Indiana. If he doesn't beat him big in Indiana, at this point in the race, there will be only nine contests left and Donald Trump will have the wind behind his back. And all this talk of the contested convention that we've been telling our viewers around the world for the past couple weeks will go away, and Donald Trump will be on his way to becoming the Republican nominee, something I don't think any of us could've thought could have ever happened. But it looks like it's going to.
BARNETT: Yes, I mean, that's remarkable. He could legitimately clinch this thing.
And for the Democrats, Hillary Clinton's four out of five wins, this puts Bernie Sanders even further behind. What are the hints from his campaign that the realization is setting in that he won't make it? But he may have been successful in his initial aim.
PRESTON: You know, certainly in the past few weeks, Bernie Sanders has been riding this messaging of having won out eight of the last primary and caucuses. Now, while that is good for a beauty contest, he was not able, even though he had these wins, was able to make up ground. He was still losing to Hillary Clinton, no matter what, even if he had won.
Hillary Clinton comes in tonight and wins by such decisive victories that she's able to not only win 4 out of 5 contests but increase her delegate lead at the end of the evening. Now Hillary Clinton will head into Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where they will hold the convention, the Democratic convention, in July. She will very likely, probably within the next couple of weeks, secure the front-runner mantel, the likely nominee of the Democratic Party.
Well, Bernie Sanders at that point, will he start to back off on his very personal criticisms of Hillary Clinton, her ties to Wall Street, as well as him trying to push forward an agenda that is a little bit more to the left than her liking? Hillary Clinton in some ways has to give some kind of olive branch to Bernie Sanders in order to try to bring back a fractured Democratic Party that we've seen certainly split apart over the past few months.
[02:15:09] BARNETT: Yes, and our viewers should be aware that you called it last week that this would be the major turning point.
PRESTON: I did.
BARNETT: And the day to watch. We got to give you credit for that. CNN politics executive editor Mark Preston, thanks very much.
PRESTON: Thanks so much.
CHURCH: And we have this programming note for you, Donald Trump will be delivering what's being billed as a major foreign policy speech in Washington, and you can watch it live right here starting at 5:00 p.m. in London.
BARNETT: Now we have some other news for you coming up. Families of 96 Liverpool football fans say justice has been served after a jury ruled their loved ones were unlawfully killed.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just felt elated and like a weight has been lifted off our shoulders, after 27 long years, trying to get justice for our brother Brian.
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BARNETT: We'll bring you more on the jury's landmark decision coming up.
CHURCH: Plus, look at the large hail in the U.S. state of Kansas, and that's not the worst of the storms hitting several states. We'll have the details on that when we come back. Stay with us.
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[02:20:09] BARNETT: A warm welcome back. North Korea's ruling Workers Party will hold its seventh Congress on May 6. The official news agency announced that date. It will be the first Congress since 1980. That's when it was announced that Kim Jong-Il, the father of Kim Jong-Un, would eventually take power.
CHURCH: The meeting was initially announced in October. It was reported then that the Congress was being convened to reflect the demand of the party and the developing revolution.
BARNETT: A commemoration service marking Tuesday's outcome of the Hillsborough inquest will take place a few hours from now in Liverpool, England.
CHURCH: On Tuesday, a jury ruled 96 football fans were unlawfully crushed and trampled to death at Hillsborough Stadium in 1989.
CNN's Phil Black has reaction from the victims' families.
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CROWD (singing): Walk on, walk on, with hope your heart. And you'll never walk alone.
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This was the day that hope finally gave way to justice.
CROWD: Justice for the 96!
BLACK: For families, friends of the 96 who died, plus many, many more, the result they had fought for, for more than a quarter of a century. Liverpool football fans exonerated. Instead, an inquest jury finding the victims unlawfully killed.
Brenda, Debby and Dianne lost their brother Brian.
BRENDA MATTHEWS, LOST BROTHER BRIAN: I just felt elated and like a weight had been lifted off our shoulders after 27 long years. Just trying to get justice for our brother Brian.
DIANNE MATTHEWS, LAST BROTHER BRIAN: Today has been a victory and I think, you know, we can go home and maybe have a good night's sleep after 27 years.
BLACK: Margaret Aspinall lost her 18-year-old son James.
MARGARET ASPINALL, LOST SON JAMES: I don't mind truth and I don't mind justice and don't mind the warts. But give me the truth on my son's death certificate. And people said you've had the truth. A lot of people would say then you've had the truth. No, we never had the truth. And we've proved now. I can get my son's death certificate with the right verdict.
BLACK: The man in charge of the policing operation for the match, Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield of South Yorkshire Police, was found responsible for manslaughter by gross negligence. He could now face criminal proceedings. He admitted to the inquest he had lied when he blamed Liverpool fans for causing the crush.
The man in charge of South Yorkshire Police today admitted his predecessors had got it catastrophically wrong.
DAVID CROMPTON, SOUTH YORKSHIRE POLICE: The force failed the victims and failed their families. Today, as I have said before, I want to apologize unreservedly to the families and those affected.
BLACK: British prime minister David Cameron in a tweet called it "a landmark day, which had brought long overdue justice". England football captain Wayne Rooney, whose hometown is Liverpool, tweeted, "At last justice for the 96 and their families. Well done to all who never gave up."
In Liverpool itself, a candle for each of the 96 beneath banners bearing their names. And then slowly, the two words people here had been waiting for -- truth and justice.
Phil Black, CNN, Liverpool.
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CHURCH: And the Hillsborough tragedy changed the face of football. CNN's Don Riddell takes us on an emotional journey with the families of the victims following their decades-long fight for justice. CNN World Sport presents "HILLSBOROUGH: THEY WILL NEVER WALK ALONE". That debuts Wednesday at 8:00 p.m. in London, 9:00 p.m. Central European Time, right here on CNN.
BARNETT: Now, Apple shares plummeted in after-hours trading after the company reported its worst quarter in more than a decade. Apple reported both its sales and profits were down last quarter and iPhone sales fell for the first time in history.
CHURCH: Twitter shares also plunged after it reported bringing in less money than investors expected. The social media company has seen its sale growth slow over the past year.
BARNETT: Prince's sister has filed court documents saying she doesn't believe the late singer had a will. She also requested a special administrator be appointed to deal with his assets. CHURCH: Prince's estate is worth an estimated $300 million and that
number is expected to rise. His album sales have surged 16,000 percent since his death.
BARNETT: Right, a dangerous storm system is bringing tornadoes, powerful winds, rain and hail, to the central United States right now. The National Weather Service in fact says at least five tornadoes were spotted in four states.
CHURCH: Yes the city of Wichita, Kansas, got slammed with hail. And one Instagram user scooped some up and posted photos of it.
[02:25:00] Look at this. You've heard of golf ball-sized hail. Well, this is what it looks like.
And we do we want to get more on this storm system. Our Pedram Javaheri joins us. Of course, we're seeing a lot of this, aren't we, these very large hailstones?
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BARNETT: Yes, that doesn't bode well for them for the summer ahead.
CHURCH: It's hard to get any relief there.
All right, thank you so much.
BARNETT: Thanks, Pedram. We'll see you next hour.
One step closer for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Decisive wins by both candidates point to a showdown this November in the race for the White House.
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TRUMP: Look, I started off with 17. I'm down now, I'm winning it. It's over. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. These two guys cannot win. There's no path.
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ERROL BARNETT, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: So as we established, it's looking more and more likely that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will be going head to head in the race for the White House this November. Trump swept the latest round of primaries Tuesday, beating his Republican rivals by getting around 60 percent of the vote in all five states, that's remarkable.
ROSEMARIE CHURCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: It is. And Trump won Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island. He says he considers himself the presumptive nominee at this point. Not everyone agrees with him. The wins bring Trump ever closer to the 1,237 delegates needed to clinch his party's nomination outright.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we're going to do really well in Washington State. I think we're going to do amazingly well in Oregon and every place we're going to. We're going to be fighting hard, New Mexico, fighting really hard. And I think that Governor Kasich and Senator Cruz have really, really hurt themselves with a faulty deal that was defaulted on before they even started.
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BARNETT: Hillary Clinton is calling for unity in her party, as she took four out of the five Democratic primaries. Clinton won Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. Bernie Sanders winning Rhode Island.
CHURCH: He says he plans to stay in the race until the last vote is cast. But Clinton's wins on Tuesday make it extremely unlikely that he could catch her. She used her victory speech to go after Donald Trump.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In this election, we will have to stand together, and work hard to prevail against candidates on the other side, who would threaten all those rights and pit Americans against each other.
They would make it harder to vote, not easier. They would deny women the right to make our own reproductive health care decisions. They would round up millions of hard-working immigrants and deport them.
Now, the other day, Mr. Trump accused me of playing the, quote, "woman card." Well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in!
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BARNETT: Joining us once again is our fairly odd couple from opposite sides of the aisle, but they get along just fine. Jackie Gingrich Cushman previously advised a presidential campaign for her father, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
CHURCH: And on the other side, Tharon Johnson, he was a regional director for Obama's 2012 campaign and was an adviser to Atlanta's Democratic Mayor Kasim Reed. Thank you both are being with us.
Jackie, want to start with you because of course, this is extraordinary for Donald Trump, what a win, five states out of five. Do you think this means then it's very unlikely that there will be a contested convention?
Could he get the 1,237 delegates? And also, do you think this was a reaction, a backlash, perhaps, to the Cruz-Kasich deal?
JACKIE GINGRICH CUSHMAN, NEWT GINGRICH'S DAUGHTER: Well, this is a huge night for Donald Trump. He's got to be very, very happy. His numbers are very good in all five states. It's great for him to sweep them all. I think it also helps with momentum. He's won these states pretty big.
In terms of the backlash, I think more than anything, it shows what the voters really care about. They care about a couple of things, one is the economy. He's very strong on what he wants to do for the economy, and those that are hurting from the economy, really like Donald Trump.
The second thing he talks about, coming in and cleaning house, being a political outsider, being somebody different. I think when you look at Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and John Kasich, he's the only one that's from outside Washington.
And Cruz, who was the outsider-insider candidate, now really can't speak to that. So I think it really is part of the appeal for Donald Trump.
[02:35:01]THARON JOHNSON, FORMER REGIONAL DIRECTOR, OBAMA 2012: I think it was a backlash. I've never seen two people come together and form an alliance and then one person is on board with a certain strategy then the next person is not.
I think the voters who are Trump voters, what we are seeing is some of the exit polls, they made their minds up very early they were going to support Donald Trump.
I think Kasich, who doesn't even have as many votes as Rubio, really should just get out of the race and let Ted Cruz and Trump go head-to- head.
I think it was a backlash. I think it fired up Donald Trump supporters and I think they showed that with their votes this evening.
BARNETT: But Donald Trump even through all of this has proven to have a ceiling, a limit to the amount of support he can get among Republicans. So based on that, Tharon, Hillary Clinton won most of the five states by double-digits.
A very good night for her. What are her demographic strengths if she is to go against Donald Trump, who does appear to have a ceiling?
JOHNSON: Well, what you saw this evening was really northeastern, sort of working-class voters came and said, you know what? We think Hillary Clinton is going to be the best choice for Democrats to go and to beat Donald Trump.
We asked about her demographics. Listen, where this race started to turn for Hillary Clinton is when it went south and west, particularly women of color. These are people who voted her in a very, very large number.
So what you're seeing tonight in places like Pennsylvania, which is always going to be a key battleground state for Republicans and Democrats. She did extremely well in some of the inner cities, but also very well with suburban women. So I think suburban women, women of color, and she's also got to make sure that she appeals to independents. I think that's going to be her strength going into November.
CUSHMAN: I want to say though this tonight for Donald Trump, he had very high numbers, very close to 60, near there. These are really high numbers for Donald Trump. He has two competitors, both Kasich and Cruz, and Hillary has one, Bernie. If you look at who's really driven voters out, it's Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
JOHNSON: I love it when Jackie gets right to the edge of endorsing Donald Trump, but the fact of the matter is that Hillary Clinton has got two million more votes than Donald Trump.
CUSHMAN: She has one competitor.
JOHNSON: But it doesn't matter.
CUSHMAN: It absolutely makes a big difference.
JOHNSON: Jackie, when the race was about six or seven people, Hillary Clinton was still getting more votes than Donald Trump. So this whole enthusiasm gap narrative that the Republicans like to talk about, it's a bunch of baloney.
CHURCH: Let's talk about Bernie Sanders. He's now really mathematically out of the game. He doesn't have a path to victory, but he's still in there and he is still insisting he's going to take it right to the convention. When will he get on board with Hillary Clinton and when will he make sure his supporters are on board as well?
JOHNSON: Secretary Clinton's campaign, what you saw tonight was a toned, fit for a general election. But in her speech, she was very, very nice to Bernie Sanders, I mean, she congratulated him, bragged on some of the things that he talks about in his campaign.
So when you look at it, I mean, he wants to make college more affordable. Hillary Clinton wants to make college more affordable. So all the issues that he wants to take on Wall Street, Hillary Clinton has a record of taking on Wall Street.
So we've got to really have a delicate balance between gently saying, hey, Bernie, this is over for you, why don't you come on board with the Hillary Clinton campaign. But the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of Democrats in this country that has embraced Bernie Sanders.
So the Clinton campaign has to be careful to embrace their supporters because we're going to need all of these supporters, all these voters to beat Donald Trump in November.
CUSHMAN: What's so important I think to embrace his supporters is that Bernie represents an outside perspective, somebody new even though he's been in Washington, he clearly is not part of the Democratic establishment.
He's new and fresh and has great ideas. So when you look at a general election between Donald Trump, who is clearly an outsider, and Hillary Clinton, who claims to be outside, I'm not sure what, because she's been around forever, I think it's a very clear comparison and a very tough campaign for Hillary Clinton. I think it's fascinating to watch.
BARNETT: Tell me about this, you advised your father's presidential campaign, Newt Gingrich, and what we appear to see now on both sides is a disconnect between what the candidate says and what their campaign says.
You saw that with the Cruz-Kasich deal, right? And we've seen with Bernie Sanders. You know, Bernie Sanders campaign saying, we're going to re-evaluate after this fourth Super Tuesday. He's like, I'm going to keep going.
Kasich too had said, OK, we are going to make this deal and he's like no, let me eat and come out and vote for me in Indiana. What's going on there? Why is there that disconnect?
CUSHMAN: Bernie can't make it to the nomination, neither can Cruz or Kasich at this point. So the staffs are facing reality. And they're being very truthful, saying, we need to reassess, but the candidates, they want to continue.
When you run for president, you really want to be president. When you get this far, you really think you can get there and you don't want to give up. You never want to give up.
And so it will be interesting to see when they actually decide to do that. It's a very hard thing to do. Then you have to decide how do you do it and what do you get out of the process. It's more than the campaign itself. It's the person.
JOHNSON: Bernie Sanders has a unique opportunity here to do what Hillary Clinton did in 2008. Yes, she went all the way to the convention because she had a lot of people who voted for her.
[02:40:08]But let's not forget, Hillary Clinton stood up in the convention in 2008 not only endorsed then U.S. Senator Barack Obama to be president of the United States, but she had a message of bringing people together.
And she encouraged all of her supporters, all the people who voted for her, to unite behind Barack Obama. Bernie Sanders must take advantage of this moment. If he doesn't, he'll do the worse thing for the Democratic Party. He's got to get in line and basically face reality.
CUSHMAN: The difference is Hillary Clinton had been a Democrat for a very long time. She understood how the game works. Bernie Sanders just became a Democrat this year. It will be interesting to see whether he actually endorses her.
CHURCH: Interesting and of course, Indiana will be a game-changer. All right, we have to leave it there, of course, but thank you so much to both of you, Tharon Johnson --
CUSHMAN: Nice to be here.
CHURCH: -- and Jackie Gingrich Cushman, thank you for being with us.
BARNETT: More of the world's biggest stories still to come for you. An alleged texting scandal involving racist remarks hits San Francisco's police force, coming up after the break.
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CHURCH: This just in to CNN, Papua New Guinea will shut down a controversial refugee camp on Mannas Island. This comes a day after the country's Supreme Court found Australia's policy of detaining asylum seekers there, illegal. The court ordered both governments to take immediate action to end the detentions.
BARNETT: Australia says the center houses almost 900 men. The country has faced global criticism for sending some asylum seekers to remote processing centers, but Australia's immigration minister maintains that anyone trying to reach the country illegally by boat, will not be settled in Australia.
[02:45:09]CHURCH: A gay couple from the U.S. has won parental rights over a baby born through a Thai surrogate mother. Gordon Lake and Manuel Santos have been trapped in Thailand since the surrogate mother refused to cede parental rights for Baby Carmen.
BARNETT: The mother said she didn't know the pair were gay and was unsure about their parental abilities. Lake and Santos say they're ready to go back to their normal lives.
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MANUEL SANTOS, FATHER OF SURROGATE BABY: We've been here 15 months in Thailand, and it's time for us to go home and be with our son and our family. Carmen will know her family, her room, her everything. So we are really happy.
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BARNETT: The couple's other child, Alvaro, was also born through surrogacy. It was not clear when the family will leave Thailand.
Norway's government will appeal a recent court ruling in favor of a mass murderer. Anders Breivik had sued the state, claiming inhumane treatment in prison. A court found his incarceration in solitary confinement, violated part of the European Convention on Human Rights. He killed 77 people in a bombing and shooting rampage back in 2011.
CHURCH: The U.S. city of San Francisco is facing another texting scandal that could threaten its image. CNN has exclusively obtained a list of dozens of offensive texts sent by San Francisco Police Officer Jason Lie (ph).
BARNETT: Now he resigned this month and his attorney says the texts don't reflect who he is. Our Dan Simon takes a closer look.
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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): San Francisco's police department is once again embroiled in controversy over some highly disturbing racist text messages. At the center of the scandal is Officer Jason Lie. Now lie resigned a few weeks ago, but he wore the uniform for six years.
He allegedly uses disparaging language not only towards black people, but towards Mexicans and Indians as well. San Francisco public defender, Jeff Adachi (ph) provided the text to CNN at the request of reporters.
They came to light during a separate investigation of the officer. Lie's attorney told us that texts are not reflective of who he is, and there's no evidence that he carried out any of those sentiments as an officer.
But the scandal is far wider than one officer and his racist texts. The SFPD went through the same thing a year ago, where more than a dozen officers were found to have sent highly offensive racist texts.
(on camera): In both cases, the discoveries were accidental. The officers were being investigated for various crimes when officers basically stumbled upon the messages while looking through phone records.
(Voice-over): Then you have the controversial shooting last December of 26-year-old Mario Woods, the knife-wielding suspect infamously captured on cell phone video. He was shot more than 20 times. Critics say it was an unnecessary use of force, the department is still investigating.
But in light of the community backlash, the department said it wants to change how officers confront suspects with knives. The chief is under enormous pressure to show that these are isolated issues, and that there's not some deep cultural problem within the department.
He says he has no tolerance for this behavior. At stake is not just the chief and his department, but perhaps the image of the city itself.
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CHURCH: Employees of a U.S.-based yoga company got a big surprise from their boss. Up next, what could happen to their bank accounts if the company goes public or is sold? We're back with that.
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PEDRAM JAVAHERI, AMS METEOROLOGIST: On this 27th of April, 2016, it's the five-year anniversary of one of the most prolific tornado outbreaks in U.S. history. We have over 500 tornados in a couple of these period.
We do have another severe event taking at this hour across portions of the Central U.S. from Oklahoma City out towards Dallas, Texas. How about 11,000 lightning strikes in a 30-minute period into the early morning hours.
Even Kansas City getting in on the action. Not much in the way of expansive tornado areas, but we do have at least upward of 180 large hail reports. Four tornadoes reported thus far into the early morning hours.
The expectation was far higher than that so it's good news when it comes to the storms not being as strong as expected. But still damaging winds that are screaming off to the east along the next couple of hours.
As you work your way into Wednesday afternoon's forecast, we do have about 20 million people in line for severe weather. The threat drops off from a scale of 1 to 5. Drops off to a 2.
The severity expected to be less, but it does include places like St. Louis, Memphis, and Little Rock, Arkansas, for severe storms. Notice once everything clears out, the rainfall doesn't.
The next seven days, Northern Texas, portions of Louisiana, a quarter meter of rainfall in the coming week or so. And even back to the west coast, more showers.
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BARNETT: Welcome back. Employees of yogurt maker, Chobani, are getting what could be a tasty reward. The CEO announced on Tuesday that full time staffers will be given ownership stake in the company. It totals about 10 percent.
CHURCH: Chobani says the shares are not a gift, but a mutual promise to work hard. They'll only be worth something if the privately held company goes public or is sold. The "New York Times" estimates the average pay-out could be $150,000.
BARNETT: Part time employees get to lick the lid.
CHURCH: That's special.
BARNETT: Moving on, animal services in Stockton, California, are trying to identify a woman, driving down the street, dragging a dog by its leash. She could face animal cruelty charges.
CHURCH: Now Another driver shot the video and confronted the woman. Officials say it's not safe as the dog could get tangled in the leash and be seriously hurt.
BARNETT: Incredible. Now most dog owners show their affection with hugs. That's a very common thing. But apparently most dogs don't really like it.
CHURCH: Yes, that's a surprise. Here's Jeanne Moos with more on the new research that's doggone hard to believe.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There's nothing like a doggy hug to tug at your heart. But is it mutual? Let's ask the owner of Special Agent Maxwell Smart.
(on camera): Do you think he does love it when you hug him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know he does.
MOOS (voice-over): Good thing Maxwell isn't smart enough to read "psychology today." The data says, don't hug the dog.
(on camera): Supposedly dogs hate it when we hug them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Not this one. He's a lover, not a fighter.
MOOS (voice-over): But according to a new study, almost 82 percent of dogs show at least one sign of stress while being hugged. Some of the signs, ears down, and head turned to avoid eye contact.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I hug you, sweetheart?
MOOS: Submissive eye-closing, lip-licking, anxious yawning. When psychology professor and dog author, Stanley Coren looked at 250 photos from the internet of people hugging their dogs, four out of five of the dogs showed stress.
STANLEY COREN, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBINE: The internet is filled with pictures of happy owners hugging stressed dogs.
[02:55:07]MOOS: Professor Coren says dogs evolve so that their main means of defense is to run away. What does a hug do? Immobilize him.
(on camera): So if you hug him, what does he do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He runs to me.
MOOS (voice-over): Professor Coren compares hugging a dog to what one of his aunts used to do.
COREN: She came over and grabbed both of my cheeks and said, oh, you're so cute. Well, it hurt and I didn't like it at all.
MOOS: But dog owners aren't buying it.
(on camera): Does your dog like to be hugged?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He does, yes. He likes to kiss as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I hug him, he leans into me and seems to be very happy. MOOS (voice-over): Maybe they're part of the approximately 8 percent of dogs found to be comfortable getting hugged. But even Max would probably prefer baloney to a hug. Jeanne Moos, CNN.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look, he's loving it.
MOOS (on camera): Yes, but I haven't immobilized him.
(voice-over): New York.
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BARNETT: You hug your dogs, right?
CHURCH: I do. This is news to me. I'm not going to now.
BARNETT: There you go. That's good news.
CHURCH: It is. London's Big Ben is falling silent for major renovation. We'll take a look next hour.
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