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Aired April 28, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:00] WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Baldwin starts right now.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Wolf Blitzer. I'll see you in Washington tomorrow.

In the meantime, hi there. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You are watching CNN.

We begin with signs that the Republican establishment's cold shoulder toward Donald Trump is beginning to thaw. Former Republican House Speaker John Boehner reportedly told a crowd at Sanford University that he would vote for Donald Trump if he were to become the Republican nominee. But as the former speaker is apparently warming up to Trump, by the way, he did say they've been texting friends for years, he is hurling fire at another man vying for the nomination. That man being Ted Cruz. Boehner said he would not support Cruz as the nominee. And he went farther than that. Listen to Boehner's reaction when asked what he thought of this Texas senator, "The Stanford Daily" reporting Boehner made - made a face and then he said this, quote, "Lucifer in the flesh. I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone. But I have never worked with a more miserable of a bleep in my life." Minutes ago, Donald Trump seized upon Boehner's ire.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If Cruz sneezes, if he just sneezes, his people leave him. Believe me. There's no loyalty. Nobody - who can listen to him? In the Senate he's known as a liar. Marco Rubio, who's a good guy, called him a liar during the debate. Remember that? He said, you're a liar. I said, that's great, when another senator can call a senator a liar, I said, now I can do it also. So, it's great. So we came up with lyin' Ted, l-y-i-n, boom, hyphen.

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BALDWIN: No, maybe an apostrophe. Never the less, Sara Murray, let me bring you in. Sara Murray is CNN's political reporter.

You know, as we're talking about more and more Republicans, not just John Boehner, more Republicans really warming up to the idea of Donald Trump as the nominee and perhaps president.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Brooke, I think that's right. I think for some Republicans it's a feeling of resignation. For others, it is a feeling of acceptance. But you also have to bring in, you know, when you talk about the comments John Boehner made, the ire he feels toward Ted Cruz, there are a lot of people in the Senate who feel that way, who feel like Ted Cruz kind of came in with the wrong attitude and went out of his way not to make friends, and now that's the kind of thing that might be hampering his campaign.

You know, for Donald Trump, his campaign has really worked to open this new chapter, to open an office in Washington, D.C., to start doing outreach on The Hill. And right here in Indiana, Donald Trump was just saying he just got off the phone with Senator Bob Corker, a senator who was very complimentary about Trump's foreign speech yesterday. So even as Trump is still railing against the establishment, saying it's a rigged system, he's also trying to make some inroads here and I think this is just a signal that you see a candidate who believes he's the presumptive nominee and believes he's going to be the guy in November, Brooke.

BALDWIN: I hear his booming voice behind you. Sara, I'll let you tune back in to Donald Trump. Thank you so much, for now.

You know, Ted Cruz has certainly responded today to John Boehner's reference as - to him as Lucifer. He wore the insult kind of like a badge of honor. He says it proves Cruz is not a Washington insider.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He allowed his inner Trump to come out. You know, and I will say this, if you're wondering who actually has stood up to Washington, I think John Boehner has made it crystal clear. John Boehner, in his remarks, described Donald Trump as his texting and golfing buddy. Donald Trump has been funding John Boehner and he's also been funding Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. If you like what John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have done, Donald Trump is your guy. And actually Boehner's comments reveal everything that is wrong and corrupt with Washington.

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BALDWIN: Let's bring in syndicated talk radio host Steve Deace, who has endorsed Senator Ted Cruz, Republican strategist Mindy Fin, president of Empowered Women, she is part of the never trump movement, and CNN political commentator Kayleigh McEnany, who supports Donald Trump.

So welcome to all of you.

MINDY FINN, PRESIDENT, EMPOWERED WOMEN: Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: And, Kayleigh, let me just turn to you and out of the gate ask you, you know, just listening to Donald Trump just now, and we'll get into the Boehner stuff in just a minute, but, you know, again, sort of doubling down on what he said last night, slamming lyin' Ted, but what interested me is he didn't go after Carly Fiorina specifically, an I'm wondering is this because of what he had said once upon a time about her face, what he said two nights ago about the woman's card? What's that about? KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I mean I think it's a wise move not to attack Carly Fiorina because it just gives bait to the other side here. Donald Trump has won, trounced Cruz in five states, won handily in New York, so why would you had a softball that they will take and run with? I think it's a very smart move. But to double down on the critique of lyin' Cruz, I think is also smart. And it was I think quite a brilliant move to say, hey, you called Mitch McConnell a liar on the Senate floor, so why can't I use the same word to dub what I think you've done to me?

[14:05:00] BALDWIN: OK. Mindy, to you, on Speaker Boehner calling - you know, we haven't heard from the former speaker in quite a while. I don't know where he's been or if he's been in hiding, but this is quite the moment, four days before this mega primary next Tuesday, Indiana, calling, you know, Ted Cruz Lucifer in the flesh. This cannot have been a coincidence, the timing. What do you think?

FINN: Yes, well, it's - it's no surprise, and this isn't new that Washington insiders and Washington, the House, the Senate, Ted Cruz is not particularly popular. It's one of the reasons that he remains in this race and others that were seen as more establishment have failed, have fallen down. But yet Donald Trump has really been the one who's been able to play into voters' ire and anger at the establishment. The fact that they're tired of politics as usual.

But I think what we're starting to see is the new Donald Trump. You might say the real Donald Trump come out, which is the one who's been a party donor for a very long time, before that was a donor to the Democratic Party. He was friends with the Clintons. There's that famous picture of Donald Trump - or the Clintons at Donald Trump's wedding. So I think what we start to see and Ted Cruz is I think smartly trying to play this to his advantage is, if voters are looking for that outsider, the person who really does ruffle the feathers and anger Washington insiders and politics as usual, that's - that's Ted Cruz. And we see that playing out in real time right now.

BALDWIN: Do you agree, Steve? I mean Cruz is your guy. Do you think, you know, how he's -how he's pivoting and turning it into a positive, well, all right, if you want to be a Washington insider in with Reid and Pelosi and Boehner and Trump, that's your guy. But I'm Cruz and I'm, you know, I'm from the outside. That - is that - is that the plan for him?

STEVE DEACE, CONTRIBUTOR, "WASHINGTON TIMES": Brooke, if team Cruz does not have a crying Boehner endorsement on the air somewhere in Indiana by the end of business today, I don't want to live in this world any more, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Crying Boehner.

DEACE: This couldn't have - this is a gift from God, this endorsement. Between yesterday we got the endorsement of Planned Parenthood with the Fiorina and Cruz ticket. Today, the establishment comes out and says, yes, all right, we're going to keep it real here, Indiana. Here's the guy we really hate, Ted Cruz. And here's the guy that helped put us all into office and gave us huge donations, Donald Trump. So this is the kind of branding you are looking for. These are the droids you're looking for right here, Brooke. This is what you want right here.

BALDWIN: Kayleigh, he says it's a gift from God. You agree?

MCENANY: No. No, not at all, Steve.

BALDWIN: No.

MCENANY: Because here's the thing. This is not about endorsements. I look to actions. And what I look at actions, what I see is Donald Trump stood up for the people of Colorado to have a vote. Donald Trump tried to enfranchise people, give them a greater voice. In contrast to Ted Cruz, who willingly stood against the people of Colorado, who willingly has been playing this delegate game to try to take the people's will out of the - out of the equation. That's what the Washington establishment does, they throw out the popular vote, they throw out the will of the people and they put their own personal aspirations first. That's what Ted Cruz has been doing the last few weeks. It's why he is leading (ph).

DEACE: I - I'd like to respond to that.

BALDWIN: Please do.

DEACE: I'd like to respond to that. Kayleigh, I don't know you. Seriously, do you have any integrity at all?

BALDWIN: Oh, ouch! Come on now, Steve.

DEACE: I just have to know. I mean is it that important to be on national television?

BALDWIN: Let's be professional (ph).

DEACE: You darn well know 65,000 people - I am keeping it professional. She's the one lying. Sixty-five thousand people voted in Colorado at this thing called a caucus, called an election. There has been no voterless elections. Every delegate has been elected, including the delegates unbound that Donald Trump got in Pennsylvania the other night. This is the biggest lie and the biggest scam from a guy that's lied repeatedly throughout this entire campaign, whose campaign is built on a lie. I'm Mr. Anti-establishment when I wrote all these guys checks. Yesterday Mr. Trump was defending Ditch McConnell. Today he's taking hosanna's from John Boehner. This whole thing is a scam.

MCENANY: Steve, --

DEACE: And there are millions of Americans that watch people like you sit here and go on these shows and Scottie Hughes and the rest of this, you know, this kabal (ph) of motley crew of advisers who just sit here and fete this guy and lie about him and for him every single day and millions of American are freaking just sick of it.

MCENANY: Well, add - add - DEACE: Stop lying! There wasn't a voterless election in Colorado! You're a liar! Stop lying, please.

MCENANY: Steve -

BALDWIN: Wow, wow. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. No one comes on my show and calls anyone a liar, with all due respect. The deal in Colorado is, yes, you are correct, people vote. I had somebody on who wanted to become a delegate, (INAUDIBLE) voting to become a delegate. But that's not a -

DEACE: But if I'm correct, she lied! Well, if I'm correct, she lied, Brooke. Why is that (INAUDIBLE)?

BALDWIN: Oh, Steve!

DEACE: If I'm correct, she lied! She lied! Why is it wrong? I mean you're the one -

MCENANY: He had - Steve -

BALDWIN: Kayleigh.

DEACE: You just confirmed that she lied, Brooke! Why is that bad?

FINN: I can jump in here. I can - I -

MCENANY: Adhoc (ph) - hold on, wait, let me - let me respond really quickly. Adhominem attacks, by the way, are the last line of defense when the facts aren't on your side. It's a verifiable fact that Colorado canceled its presidential preference poll in August. Yes, they resorted to a four-tier caucus system with the intent of disenfranchising the voters. It's also a verifiable fact that Colorado announced last week that they would re -

DEACE: How do you disenfranchise voters when they vote.

MCENANY: Wait, let me finish, Steve. I sat here patiently.

BALDWIN: Hold on.

MCENANY: I sat her patient -

DEACE: You can't disenfranchise voters when they vote.

BALDWIN: Let her finish. Let her finish, Steve. Steve, just let her finish. Let's be fair.

MCENANY: Steve, I patiently let you finish. One more sentence if you can tolerate it. It is also a verifiable fact -

DEACE: Probably not.

MCENANY: That last week Colorado announced that they would bring back the primary next year. They would allow the people to vote next year. All of those are verifiable facts. I hope someone fact checks this segment.

[14:10:10] BALDWIN: Mindy, jump in.

FINN: I think it's really - Donald Trump wants people to believe that this election is over. After New York, he tried to make that statement after the Acela primary and it's quite clear that it's not over. If it was over, then John Boehner wouldn't be coming out and trying to throw cold water all over Ted Cruz's candidacy. This election is very much alive, and which is why Indiana is so important and both campaigns are campaigning so hard.

And I think a big part of their message is, what they will be fighting over is, who really is the outsider? Who is the one that is going to bring that disruption and change the fact that the voters see that the system is rigged as we head into November? And that's what the fight will come down to in Indiana. And that's what you'll hear in the rhetoric as both Ted Cruz's campaign and Donald Trump kind of fight this thing out to the end.

BALDWIN: That's exactly right. I appreciate the passion from both sides. This thing is not a done deal on either side. Cruz or even Trump. Trump is the only one who could technically get to 1,237. He may not do it. That's why Indiana's so important. Ted Cruz obviously hoping it gets to a contested convention and that second ballot.

Final question, and, Mindy, I just want to stay with you. The fact that, you know, Manu Raju and Sara Murray just alluded to this, a number of establishment - and I say that loosely - I don't even know what establishment is anymore - but these Republicans, right, ala a Bob Corker, are warming to the ideas of Donald Trump. They're warming to the idea of Donald Trump. How do you read into that?

FINN: Well, sometimes you just have to deal with the hand that you're dealt. And at this point, you know, after a long time -

BALDWIN: Is that what this is?

FINN: Yes, after a long time of denial that here would get this far, here he is. And so they're trying to make the best of a not great situation. And I think they're going to try to conveniently forget some of his commentary that he's made in the past and how poorly he's doing with women and minorities and think maybe they can salvage it. But at this point, if they're looking at kind of a Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton matchup, you know, they're not going to go with Hillary Clinton. And so they're just trying to kind of make peace with the hand that they're dealt.

BALDWIN: Indiana, next Tuesday. We should all reconvene. Steve, Mindy, Kayleigh, I really appreciate all of your voices, thank you so much, here on politics today.

Meantime, we do have some new information. New details today about Prince's final hours. Sources now telling CNN what was found on not only Prince, but in his home in Minnesota. Also word of a potential overdose days before his death. Plus, breaking news in the case of the San Bernardino terrorists. We

are getting word arrests had just been made, including one of the killer's brothers. Hear why.

And Jeb Bush giving his very first interview since dropping out of this race. Hear what he has to say about Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and whether he would ever run again. What a day - what a day it is on this Thursday. You're watching CNN.

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[14:16:47] BALDWIN: Welcome back. You are watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

We are learning today a bit more about Prince's death one week ago today inside of his Paisley Park studio. A law enforcement source reveals to CNN that there were prescription pain medications, specifically opioid pills, found on the music icon when he was found in his elevator at the time of his death, as well as somewhere within his Paisley Park home. We also know federal Drug Enforcement Agents, DEA, they're now in there. They're part of the investigation.

Meantime, the health scare that prompted that emergency plane landing just about a week before that Prince - Prince was on that plane, investigators now believe it was because of the bad reaction to pain medication. The law enforcement source says Prince was unresponsive when his private plane landed. Paramedics ono the scene treated him for a potential overdose of pain meds. And then, six days later, Prince was pronounced dead.

With me now, Darren Kavinoky, a certified interventionist and attorney. He's also the host of "Deadly Sins" on the investigation Discovery Channel. He joins me. He has also worked with Heather Hayes, an interventionist with more than 30 years working with addictions and disorders. She's also a criminal profiler.

So welcome to both of you.

And, you know, let's just be clear off the top, there's so much we don't know, so nobody's going to jump to conclusions here. We're just going to focus on the facts. And the facts are the opioid meds found on him, in his house, and the fact that, you know, he was treated, he was unresponsive on that plane when they had to make that emergency landing. What, Darren, to you first, what does that tell you and what exactly is an opioid?

DARREN KAVINOKY, INTERVENTIONIST & ATTORNEY: Well, when we're talking about opioids, you're talking about a class of drugs that - that, frankly, it's - the street drug that's most closely related to it is heroin. We're talking about the opioid family of medication. And what's so incredibly dangerous, and I'm so glad that we're having this conversation, Brooke, addiction is costing Americans over $700 billion a year. It's a massive, massive problem. And the number of cases that I've personally worked with, where people have started off seeking treatment because of a legitimate medical problem, and it's blossomed into full blown addiction, it's a very, very common scenario. BALDWIN: So, beyond heroin, Heather, what else could an opioid - what

else could someone be taking?

HEATHER HAYES, CRIMINAL PROFILER, NEGOTIATOR: Any of the pain pills. They could be taking Percodan, Oxycontin, Percocet, Vicodin. There's a whole array of opioids. And mostly they're given for pain. But they're very addictive. And overdose potential is very high.

BALDWIN: How does one - I mean, we've talked about this so much in the past here, but how does one get addicted to one of these meds? How quickly can that happen?

KAVINOKY: Oh, it can happen incredibly quickly, Brooke. And what the problem really becomes is one of tolerance, where because somebody is taking a particular dose, the body will become acclimated to that particular dose and the person requires more and more of the drug in order to get relief. And what ultimately can happen is that the addiction part demands more and more of that substance, like a drowning person needs air. But, unfortunately, the body's physical organs just can't keep up with that pace and that's where we get into a potential fatal overdose situation.

[14:20:33] BALDWIN: Well, Heather, wheat about the fact that we know that the plane made the emergency landing. We know he was unresponsive. We know he had to be revived. So when paramedics rush in, what does that revival process even look like? What would they have done?

HAYES: What they would have done is they would have given a medication called narcan (ph), which actually stops the opioids from working and the receptor sites. So it brings the person out of the overdose so that their respiration picks back up, their vital signs pick back up, but it's a short, short fix. So what would have needed to have happened would have then been time for Prince to get treatment. You know, addiction, and when we have overdoses, that's a call for action. And what we're seeing here is there was a huge opportunity. He had an overdose. We were aware that it had happened and that would have been the time to then, after that, come in and really get him some help.

KAVINOKY: And here -

HAYES: Just because you treat an overdose doesn't mean you've treated the addiction and people are more likely, if they don't get the proper withdrawal off of the opioids, to overdose again.

BALDWIN: Is it even possible that he would -

KAVINOKY: And, Brooke, we -

BALDWIN: Let me just jump in and ask this.

KAVINOKY: OK.

BALDWIN: We know he was a Jehovah's Witness. We know that because of that, you know, I think that means you wouldn't take a blood transfusion, which perhaps would mean he could say no to something like hip surgery. I know he has hip issues. Perhaps he, you know, one could think you were doing the right thing by taking some pain meds, not thinking anything nefariously. Perhaps an addition could happen. Again, we don't really know. But, I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to wrap my head around what's possible. Darren, go ahead. What were you going to say?

KAVINOKY: No, that - that, unfortunately, with people that are celebrities and high net worth individuals, they're oftentimes in the aftermath of let's say that plane experience where there was an overdose, there's often a - they're surrounded by people who - who don't - who aren't supportive of the kind of treatment that Heather was describing. And we see this play out over and over and over again.

And in terms of what you're trying to wrap your head around, Brooke, it quite simply is that when people are prescribed these drugs for a legitimate medical purposes, it just plays out so frequently where they become tolerant and take more and more and more of the drug to achieve the relief from the pain. But, unfortunately, the body just can't take it anymore.

BALDWIN: Hmm. I know it's still a couple of weeks potentially for the toxicology reports to come out. We'll continue the conversation then again. We just don't know so much.

Darren and Heather, thank you both very, very much.

HAYES: Thank you.

KAVINOKY: Thanks.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, breaking news, three people with connections to the San Bernardino terrorists arrested by federal agents. What they're accused of doing. We have a live report on that next.

Plus, more breaking news. This situation unfolding in Baltimore. Police responding to a call that a man with a possible explosive vest has walked into a local TV station there. Oh. More on that, next.

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[14:28:04] BALDWIN: Back to breaking news. The brother of the man behind the ISIS inspired terror attack on U.S. soil has just been arrested. We're talking about the murders in San Bernardino. The husband and wife who left their baby at home while they opened fire on a holiday party killing 14 people. Let's go to Kyung Lah, our national correspondent who's working this one for us right now.

We know the feds have arrested, Kyung, three people. Who are they?

KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These are people who are connected to the couple. We need to be very clear as we explain this story now, Brooke, that these are not terrorism charges. These charges are not directly connected to the shooting on December 2nd. What they are is, as the FBI was investigating the shooting itself, on December 2nd, they came across Enrique Marquez. He was eventually arrested and indicted for material support to terrorism. As they were looking at him, they discovered that he was in a sham

marriage. A marriage that was arranged by the brother of Syed Rizwan Farook. He arranged this sham marriage and so these charges that you're seeing today, the indictment that has been rolled out by the feds, are turshiary (ph). They are a part of this investigation, but they're not directly of - as a result of that December 2nd shooting. So we need to be very clear about that.

The charges that they are facing, marriage fraud, conspiracy, lying about it, the three people arrested, the brother of the gunman, Syed Rahel Farook, that is the brother, his wife and then the woman who had the arranged marriage to Enrique Marquez. These are the three people. It's a little confusing. But, again, they are turshiary charges, very serious charges, a five count indictment, and they are being arraigned today.

Brooke.

BALDWIN: We have been wondering when this first broke, you know, exactly how these two came together and now officially we know it was a sham.

Kyung Lah, thank you very much.

[14:29:54] More on breaking news, this out of Baltimore. Don't know a lot. What we do know is that police have responded to a call that a man has walked inside one of the local TV station there in Baltimore. They're not quite sure if the vest he is wearing could be strapped with explosives or not. But I can tell you that Brian Stelter has just arrived on the scene. We will find out...