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Trump Ups Ante in Indiana Ahead of Tuesday Vote; Obama Cracks Up Crowd At Annual Dinner; Prince's Family Begins to Fight Over His Estate; Latino Activists Divided on Trump; Children's Medical Hospital in Aleppo Bombed by Fighter Jet; The Bin Laden Raid Five Years After; Trump Jokes Brought to Life Through Cartoons. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired May 01, 2016 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: And their votes are critical in securing Donald Trump the nomination outright. Just 235 delegates stand between Trump and the title of nominee, and both he and Senator Ted Cruz know how much is riding on this week's primary. The two made their final cases to voters today, each lobbing attacks against the other.

But it's what Trump said about China that may have been the strongest statement.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We can't continue to allow China to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. It's the greatest theft in the history of the world. What China has done --

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BROWN: CNN's Jessica Schneider's at Trump's rally.

She joins me now. So, how did voters react to this, Jessica?

JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, quite frankly, Pamela, it was with applause. Donald Trump pounced onto this stage, spouting out details about Indiana's economy, talking about the lost jobs here, and that was met with applause from the nearly 13,000 people who were in here taking in every word that Donald Trump said.

But, of course, just after those policy points made by Donald Trump, he then pivoted to his regular rhetoric, which was slamming into who he calls Lyin' Ted Cruz. He also talked about the rigged political system, slamming the short-lived alliance between John Kasich and Ted Cruz.

And then toward the end, he promised to bring the party together as he urged voters to vote for him in Tuesday's primary right here in Indiana. He said he will bring unity to the party. He said he will eventually, if he gets to the general election, raise money for the Republicans, raise money for congressional candidates, and that's why he is urging people right here in Indiana to vote for him on Tuesday -- Pamela.

BROWN: And Ted Cruz is polling second now in Indiana according to the latest polls. He held his own rally today. He had some pretty strong words for Trump, right?

SCHNEIDER: Exactly, Pamela. Ted Cruz trailing right now 15 points behind Trump in the latest poll. But out here on the stump, Ted Cruz is actually in Lafayette, Indiana, today, and he did have very strong remarks for Donald Trump.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And this is a choice for the people of the Indiana. Do we stand with Carly Fiorina and Governor Mike Pence? Or do we stand instead with a convicted rapist, Mike Tyson?

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SCHNEIDER: Ted Cruz referring right there to the heavyweight champion throwing his support, his endorsement behind Donald Trump. But Donald Trump came back today saying that the endorsement really wasn't that big of a deal and that he hasn't seen Mike Tyson in several years -- Pamela.

BROWN: All right. Jessica Schneider, thank you so much for that.

And in just two days, the state of the state of Indiana may decide whether the chaotic Republican race for the White House goes any further. Senator Ted Cruz has been crisscrossing the Hoosier State, showing off his newly minted running mate, Carly Fiorina, as he tries to catch front-runner Donald Trump.

And Ohio Governor John Kasich raised some eyebrows when he pulled his campaign out of Indiana last weekend. Well, new signs suggest the Cruz/Kasich alliance is not going over too well with Indiana Republicans. In fact an NBC/Marist poll finds that 58 percent of likely voters disapprove of the alliance and 34 percent say they're OK with it.

Let's talk this over with CNN politics reporter Tom LoBianco, and our senior political analyst David Gergen, joins us from Washington. He's been an adviser to five U.S. presidents.

Thank you both for coming on.

I want to start with you, Tom. Just sort of set the stage. What's going on in Indiana? Who are the voters? What do the candidates need to do to appeal to them?

And you look at the polls. Cruz was up, and now it seems Trump is up 15 points according to the latest poll.

TOM LOBIANCO, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: If you're looking at Indiana, what you need to realize is that this is a manufacturing state. This is part of the Rust Belt. There's a significant part of the south that stretches up into Indiana and kind of meets in Indianapolis where I am right now. And when Trump goes out there and he talks about China, he talks about trade, he is nailing manufacturing economy. He's going right at those blue-collar voters, people he's been very strong with before and who could very easily carry him over the finish line here.

BROWN: So, David, if Trump wins on Tuesday hypothetically, would you expect Republicans to finally rally around him as the nominee, or is it inevitable that this is going to go into California and Ted Cruz won't give up?

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, it will go on to California, but Cruz may be forced out, or he may be persuaded to drop out if he loses Indiana. Pam, I think what's been surprising in Indiana in the last few days is that looked like -- it looked in most polls, average of the polls, that Donald Trump was up maybe four points, five points and that Ted Cruz was within striking distance.

[18:05:00] This poll that came out today shows an eye-popping 15-point lead for Trump, opening up the race in effect. It says the momentum is on the Trump side, and that he may well take this state going away.

If that were the case, there are going to be a lot of state party chairman in the Republican Party who are going to say maybe it's time to call this over, that Trump is going to get to 1,237, you know, just almost inevitably, and we ought to start uniting now rather than late July in Cleveland. You know, they would like to get a united party and put the focus on Hillary, not on the back and forth in between the candidates.

But we'll see. If Cruz pulls off an upset, and he might do that, then that's an entirely different story. Then he's going to stay in and fight. I think he'll be under pressure the drop, as will John Kasich.

BROWN: And we heard Donald Trump say that he doesn't really care about endorsements. But legendary Indiana basketball coach Bobby Knight endorsed him.

Tom, what kind of a following or pull does Knight have in Indiana these days? What kind of an impact could this have?

GERGEN: I thought the knight endorsement was helpful. Much less tepid than the governor's endorsement, Governor Pence, of Cruz. And, you know, they met on television. It was a pretty soft event. Trump didn't lash out.

But I want to something that happened earlier. You had the clip of Donald Trump saying, if I heard it right, he said that the U.S. is being raped by China. Is that the word that he used?

BROWN: Yes.

GERGEN: That may be good politics at home, but it's terrible for American diplomacy. If he wants to be a serious president, he's going to have to learn how to get along with great big players like China. And that kind of language infuriates them. You know, as I say, OK, you can get some short term politically in this country, but if he's probably going to be the nominee of the party, he has to prepare for the possibility, not if likelihood but the possibility he'll be president.

BROWN: But as we heard the reporter say the crowds seemed to love it when he said that. People were not sort of rebuffed by it. They like to hear those kinds of things, right, Tom, because you speak to voters there on the ground in Indiana.

Go ahead.

LOBIANCO: Yes. This definitely plays to the Indiana history. You know, what you're looking at are these folks who are in their 40s and 50s, people who came up with these good jobs. As I was talking a little bit earlier with some of the Carrier plant workers -- you know, Carrier has been thrust into the middle of this, the video of them being laid off in Indianapolis, 1,400 workers. It vent viral. It's become the centerpiece of almost every candidate's speech around here, and it really gets at the anger.

You know, I was talking with the union president there, Chuck Jones, who told me that he can really see members going many different ways. He had members he thought that would support Cruz, would support Trump, Sanders. They've endorsed sanders, even Clinton.

But there's a very visceral anger about this. We're in the heart of the Rust Belt, and this goes to places like Michigan, Wisconsin, and this kind of goes to that larger Trump strategy if they can pull it off when Paul Manafort and Rick Wiley were presented at the RNC in Florida a little over a week ago. They were telling party insiders, that hey, we can reshape the map, we can do things that Ted Cruz can't. His performance here in Indiana will be a key test of that.

BROWN: I just want to go back to the point you were making, David, basically saying that, look, this may be short term game for him with this rhetoric, talking about China raping the U.S., but how much does rhetoric in the primary season come back to haunt future presidential candidates and perhaps presidents? You've advised five of them. How much does it impact the person down the road, is it makes sense?

GERGEN: It sends signals that are important and that are remembered. These things aren't -- foreign countries obviously understand this. It's the heat of battle in America as they put some discount on it.

But if a candidate comes up and continually slams and insults them in a variety of different ways, they will have a very hostile attitude toward him. And these are -- this relationship between the United States and China is often called the single most important bilateral relationship that is the relationship between two countries anywhere in the world today.

The future of peace and a future of trade depends to a significant degree on getting the Chinese to go along with various things and calming down the South Sea. And you don't -- presidents have discovered a lot of Republicans, including Ronald Reagan, understood that if you want to go after people, you'd better do it carefully, do it with thought. Don't just go out there and throw out words that can come back to haunt you.

[18:10:03] BROWN: And on that note, obviously, Donald Trump has sparked controversy about what he said about Hispanics and women. His unfavorables are high in those categories. Tom, how are women in Indiana responding to Donald Trump just from what you've seen?

LOBIANCO: I have to tell you, it's interesting. Obviously, when you go and pick a Carly Fiorina, you know, no one is directly said that Cruz was playing the woman card. It seems to play to Republican women.

You know, Indiana is interesting, because there's a rich history of promoting Republican women here via Dick Lugar, the long time U.S. senator. He runs what's called Lugar Series. It promotes strong Republican women through training, brings them up. It's right now being run by Anne Hathaway formerly of the RNC. She now is advising Kasich out here.

It's a big program, and, you know, we saw a lot of this back in 2012 when Lugar lost to Richard Murdoch and Murdoch lost to Joe Donnelly, basically allowing the Democrats to keep the Senate. The women's issues, his comments about rape in that debate in October of 2012 were really key, and were really played up.

You know, you can see that -- that's a weakness for Trump right now. And if Cruz can successfully exploit that, then this state could be his. That's a big could.

BROWN: And, just very quickly, David Gergen, your thoughts on how this could impact Trump in a general election, his lack of popularity among women and Hispanics and what he needs to do to close the gap.

GREGEN: His numbers right now if they were to stay would make him unelectable. But I do believe that Trump has the possibility of drawing more people back to him including women. If he has more events of the kind he had with Bobby Knight, and it was sort of winsome but it was lower key. He was more presidential if you'd like.

And I think that -- I think there's a side of Donald Trump we see emerge occasionally and then he has these rallies and he blasts away. With that other side of him, that's so hidden, if you see more of that, I think the gaps could close.

BROWN: All right. Tom LoBianco, David Gergen, great hearing your perspective. I appreciate it.

LOBIANCO: Thank you.

BROWN: And just ahead this hour on this Sunday, comedian in chief. All joking aside, President Obama is getting high marks for his final White House Correspondents' Dinner performance. We'll talk to one who says it's all in the timing.

Plus, the death of a legend. As the investigation continues, the focus turns to Prince's estate. What the musician's half brother is saying about what's happening behind the scenes. And later, a CNN exclusive with President Obama.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: After the discussions with the principals, it was clear to me that this was going to be our best chance to get bin Laden, that if in fact we did not take the action, that he might slip away and might be years before he resurfaced.

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BROWN: CNN's national security analyst Peter Bergen talks to the president about the operation that took out the world's most wanted terrorist.

You're live in the CNN NEWSOROOM. We'll be right back.

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[18:16:37] BROWN: Well, nobody got bigger laughs last night at the White House Correspondents' Dinner than President Barack Obama himself. And it wasn't the polite laugh because it's the boss thing that we've all done, let's be honest. No, by all accounts he was really funny. Great jokes, perfect timing.

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OBAMA: Got to admit it. Hillary trying to appeal to young voters is a little bit like your relative who just signed up for Facebook. Dear America, did you get my poke?

I am hurt, though, Bernie, that you've been distancing yourself a little from me. I mean, that's just not something that you do to your comrade.

Some accounts aren't polling high enough to qualify for their own joke tonight.

You see, Donald lacks the foreign policy experience to be president. But in fairness, he has spent years meeting with leaders from around the world. Miss Sweden. Miss Argentina. Miss Azerbijian.

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BROWN: Well, Dean Obeidallah is comedian and contributor to "The Daily Beast" and has his own show on Sirius XM.

Dean, thanks for coming on.

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, COMEDIAN AND CONTRIBUTOR TO "THE DAILY BEAST": Sure.

BROWN: So, you wrote this article in "The Atlantic" this weekend that basically said, no U.S. president has been a better comedian than Barack Obama. You wrote this before the dinner last night. What did you think of his performance? Did it meet your expectation?

Did it exceed your expectations? Do you think he's still the best comedian of all the past presidents?

OBEIDALLAH: I'm a comedic Nostradamus, Pam. I was right on. He's a killer comedian. He was fabulous last night.

It's not just the material. You know, people help him write it. He might write some. He chooses the jokes he's going to use, obviously.

It's his delivery and his timing. Last year, I had the honor of meeting President Obama. I spoke to him and said you have great comedic timing. He pause and he said, I know.

So, right here, he's just funny. And during this event, he delivered the jokes and did a thing where he made a noise, and that got laughs. That's his innate understanding of comedy.

You can fill a void of silence and turn it to a punch line by making a sound effect and he did that. I think he did a great job. Despite what Marc Lamont Hill, my friend, said in the C-plus --

BROWN: I was going to point that out, yes.

OBEIDALLAH: I hope Marc doesn't watch my comedy. Marc, I don't know what he's thinking. President Obama was great. Maybe compared to 2011, maybe not as good, still a great night for the last one, he hit everything. Himself, Hillary, the media.

BROWN: Right. And one of the reasons Marc gave him a C-plus was just how he handled Trump, people said maybe he didn't go after him as much as they had expected to. What do you think in that regard?

OBEIDALLAH: I think President Obama was hitting Donald Trump when people didn't know he was hitting Donald Trump. He began his first joke saying I'm glad to be here. It's my last White House Correspondents Dinner. It might be the last one ever.

To me, that was a joke about Donald Trump and his attacks on the media, and say he wants to libel laws, and Obama saying, it's great to see how the end of the republic never looked to great. I think that again was a subtle slam on Donald Trump.

And he also referred to him as The Donald time in and time out. He was deliberatively dismissive.

I'm surprised Donald Trump hasn't responded. He's not responded on Twitter. I think he's trying to be presidential. I think Donald Trump does not want to match wits with President Obama. He would lose in a comedic sense. There's no doubt about it.

BROWN: All right. And I imagine writing jokes for another person to deliver must be difficult.

[18:20:05] Do you have to think like a president to write jokes for a president? How does that work? Because you've had some experience, right?

OBEIDALLAH: Not with writing for a president.

BROWN: But you've helped with people, right.

OBEIDALLAH: On weekend update as freelance. I wrote for a friend last year who did the junior of the White House Correspondents' Dinner. You write the jokes and hope the person delivers them well. If a joke gets a big laugh, you pat yourself in the back, what a well- written joke. If it doesn't work, you go the delivery stunk. It's not my fault.

So, there's a extra burden. If you're delivering the joke yourself, if it works, you feel really good. But as a writer, it's like being a coach. You're hoping for the best. You hope they deliver the joke the way you wrote it.

BROWN: And I'm curious, how do you and other comedians walk that line between having fun with the audience and potentially insulting the audience? I was there last night. I have to say some of Larry Wilmore's jokes fell flat, particularly when he went after someone like Wolf Blitzer who is loved by everyone.

OBEIDALLAH: I think when you're taking on someone well liked, it makes it more challenging. Especially when you don't do self deprecating jokes at the top to make people like you more.

But I think Larry is great. I've been on this show a few times. I like him a great deal. I think he took a chance on certain jokes. Maybe it went too far in that room, but not far in the big sense of comedy.

But he had some fabulous jokes last about race right at the top, about President Obama's hair is so white. It was like it was a Trump rally getting punched in the face type of joke. I think it was really edgy on race and I think it's important that Larry did that. I think it's important to have a conversation through comedy.

BROWN: And he was in a tough spot of having to go after President Obama. So, you know, there's that too.

OBEDIALLAH: Tough job. When I met the president I told him I would work for chef, I told him I would work for food. But in reality, following President Obama is the toughest job for any comedian. Whoever comes after it will not be as challenging, frankly. It doesn't matter it was Hillary, Bernie, you know, Cruz, or Donald Trump is. The next president won't be as difficult, or Paul Ryan.

BROWN: Yes, I know a lot of comedians hope that President Obama doesn't become one of them when he gets out. He'll really give them a run for their money.

OBEDIALLAH: I'll open for him for free. I'm available, President Obama.

BROWN: All right. Good to know. Dean Obeidallah, thank you so much for that. Appreciate it.

By the way, music lovers get a large public event to send off a legendary artist in style.

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BROWN: Small dance parties like this have been popping up in Prince's home base of Minneapolis. But an official big city memorial service is coming up in a few days. At the same time, family members go to court to start splitting Prince's millions. We go live to Paisley Park, up next.

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[18:26:32] BROWN: Well, now, the fight over who gets how much of the multimillion dollar musical estate of Prince. Tomorrow, in a courtroom in Minneapolis, Prince's five half brothers and sisters are expected to be present for the first hearing designed to sort out the singer's fortune since he did not have a will.

Live at Paisley Park, Prince's compound, outside Minneapolis right now, CNN Sara Sidner.

Sara, you spoke to a member of Prince's family today. This division of Prince's money and property, is there any drama right now?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is. According to our source that's familiar with the discussions over the estate, the very first meeting between the family members according to source was very contentious and ended in shouting.

We did manage to talk to one of the family members who was at that meeting. His name is Frank, Frank Wheaton. His middle name is Frank, forgive me. Frank Wheaton, his attorney talked to us a little bit about it is that they know so far and what they can discuss.

And also Prince's half brother talked to us about what it was like for him as he went inside Paisley Park after many, many years.

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FRANK WHEATON, ATTORNEY FOR PRINCE'S HALF BROTHER: Mr. Jackson and I had a special supervised two-hour tour of Paisley Park, and it allowed Mr. Jackson to personally grieve and personally feel the warmth of Prince's spirit, the doves and everything.

SIDNER: What was it like taking a tour of Paisley Park after your brother died?

ALFRED JACKSON, PRINCE'S HALF BROTHER: We look at the whole premises inside Paisley Park. We seen the vault door, but we never entered.

SIDNER: What was the experience like?

JACKSON: He's just a genius the way he had that. He is.

SIDNER: When you looked around, it looked like the work of a genius.

JACKSON: Yes.

SIDNER: What were you feeling at the time as you walk --

JACKSON: It felt really great. I was hoping that he was still living and wanting to still be with me.

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SIDNER: His half brother, Alfred Jackson, saying that he himself is going to do everything he can to try to make sure that the family does come together in a time that is really emotional and as with anything that brings the emotions to this height, there is always going to possibly be some kind of a contentious fighting between the family members. But he says, look, we're all trying to work this out together since that first meeting.

And so, that's what we're hearing from the half brother. He does have some lovely stories about his time with Prince.

BROWN: And let's talk about this official public memorial that's planned for next week in Los Angeles. What will that look like?

SIDNER: We're expecting to be thousands of people in the steps of city hall. It's going to be officially put on by the city. But I have to let you know that here in Minneapolis, we're seeing this memorial grow every single day.

Look at the number of people still coming out. They have not stopped coming since the day Prince died. Every day this memorial grows and grows and grows. And there simply has not been a letup with the number of people. It starts early in the morning and goes until night fall -- Pamela.

BROWN: Sara Sidner live from Paisley Park. Thank you so much for that report.

And just ahead right here in the NEWSROOM, some Latinos have protested Donald Trump since he made the controversial comments about Mexicans and the U.S. illegally. But some agree with them.

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[18:30:01] MIGUEL FAJARDO, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes. Build the walls. I have a key to come in the right way. You have to come in the right way.

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BROWN: We're going to look at the great divide among some Latinos when it comes to Trump, up next.

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BROWN: Los Angeles got a taste of some of the anti-Donald Trump sentiment in California which has been on display in both Orange County and the San Francisco bay area in recent days. In fact, Trump protesters were out in force among the crowds at this year's May Day rally in downtown L.A. as you see right here.

Latino activists began protesting Donald Trump nearly a year ago when he announced his run for president with a salvo against Mexicans living illegally in the U.S. But it also gave rise to a different group of Latino activists -- those who support Trump. Both sides have their reasons and the stakes are very real for each as CNN's Nick Valencia shows us.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Pamela, Donald Trump has no doubt enraged immigrants rights groups and upset many Latinos. But he's also done something somewhat surprising. He's inspired other Latinos to speak up and speak out about things that they have been thinking for years.

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TRUMP: We went under a fence and through a fence, and, oh, boy, it felt like I was crossing the border actually.

VALENCIA (voice-over): You've heard it before, the controversial comment on immigration by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

TRUMP: They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

VALENCIA: It's remarks like this about Mexico that's inspired a new wave of Latino activism, both for and against the candidate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes.

VALENCIA: At the Trump event in Janesville, Wisconsin, in March, we meet Miguel Fajardo, an adamant Trump supporter.

(On camera): What do you say to those, Miguel, who are going to watch this and say I cannot believe that he's supporting Donald Trump? What do you say to those people?

FAJARDO: Those people, because people -- that's illegal in the United States. They're called the illegal immigrants.

[18:35:07] VALENCIA (voice-over): Fajardo says he emigrated from Mexico to the U.S., quote, "the right way, legally." Now a U.S. citizen, he says Trump has empowered him, emboldened him even to speak up and speak out against illegal immigration.

FAJARDO: Yes, build the wall. Have a key to come in the right way. You have to come in the right way.

JOSE FLORES, ACTIVIST: I can't believe the Latino people support Donald Trump because those peoples, they forgot where they come from, you know. VALENCIA: For the Flores family, with Donald Trump surging in the

polls, they say it is a battle of survival. While their four children were born in the U.S., parents Jose and Maria entered the country illegally. Under a Trump presidency, they fear their family will be broken up.

Because of Trump, the Flores family and many others like them have stepped up their activism for undocumented immigrants. In an act of symbolism and pride, they say, at rallies, they wave both the Mexican and American flags.

LESLIE FLORES, ACTIVIST: I think that everyone just wants to be proud of where they came from, but also wants to be a part of the United States.

J. FLORES: And (INAUDIBLE) we are united.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The future president of the United States, Mr. Donald J. Trump.

VALENCIA: Should Trump actually become the next president, he will likely do so with the help of Latinos, something Mexican supporter Miguel Fajardo says won't be a problem.

FAJARDO: He's the only one who can open the door and take out all the bad stuff in the White House.

VALENCIA: The Flores family couldn't disagree more.

J. FLORES: I want to send a message to Donald Trump. My childrens make America great.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not Donald Trump.

J. FLORES: Not Donald Trump.

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VALENCIA: Without question in 2016 Donald Trump has inserted immigration as a defining issue in the presidential cycle. Of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, Latinos make up more than half and at 17 percent of the overall U.S. population, Latinos are now present in every state. They are the largest minority group in half of those states. Latinos certainly have the capacity to reshape the American political system and they're using their voices to be more vocal both for and against Donald Trump -- Pamela.

BROWN: Nick Valencia, thank you for that report.

And coming up on this Sunday, an entire building reduced to rubble after an airstrike slams into a hospital in Aleppo, Syria.

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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is fortunate but also chilling. The scenes of distraction don't have people in them. Because of the airstrikes, civilians here are said to be too scared to go to this and other hospitals.

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BROWN: Up next we'll show you the chilling first images from inside this hospital this moment the air strike hit.

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[18:41:27] BROWN: New to CNN, chilling video shows the horrors of an air strike on a children's hospital in Syria. Dozens of people including patients, doctors and nurses, were killed in Wednesday's bombing. And among the dead, the last remaining pediatrician in the war torn city of Aleppo. After that bombing a woman clutches a baby in a chaotic hospital hallway as staffers tried desperately to keep patients alive.

The United Nations warns that the situation in Aleppo is becoming, quote, "catastrophic." And witnesses say the hospital you just saw was hit by a government fighter jet.

CNN's senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh has the story.

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WALSH (voice-over): As disbelief still raged as how air strikes could kill dozens at a hospital Thursday, it happened again. Another air strike, one of 20 that hit rebel held areas of Aleppo Friday, activists said, slammed into another medical facility. It is fortunate but also chilling that these scenes of destruction don't have people in them.

Because of the air strikes, civilians here are said to be too scared to go to this and other hospitals. They have been for days says the manager of the MSF-backed hospital here Thursday.

DR. HAMZEN, MANAGER, AL QUDS HOSPITAL: They're not only afraid to go to the hospitals. They are afraid to walk in the street. They're afraid to get targeted or to be targets or to be hit in the way to the hospitals.

WALSH: They describe the life of Dr. Waseem Maaz, the last pediatrician here in Aleppo. One of six medical staff killed in Thursday's strike seen here tending to patients, his devotion to his work.

HAMZEN: I asked him, why won't you get married? He said if I get married, then I won't be here in Aleppo for much time. That my wife will be in Turkey and I will have to spend half of my days in Turkey and the other half in Aleppo.

WALSH: Children were his devotion, who's so often victims here. This baby brought from the wreckage could have been one of Dr. Maaz's his patients. They struggle here to find a tiny vein for an IV drip.

Instead this scene haunted the day on which Dr. Maaz died. A boy left to tend the corpse of his younger brother. To beg they could change places.

This passes for childhood here has done for years. Those born into the war who can only hope they may outlive it.

Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Beirut.

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BROWN: A powerful report there from Nick Paton Walsh.

Coming up live in the CNN NEWSROOM, five years after President Obama gave the order to kill the most wanted man in the world, the president talks exclusively to CNN about the operation that took out Osama bin Laden. The president in his own words up next.

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[18:48:17] BROWN: Well, new developments in the court-martial of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. He's charged with desertion for walking away from his post in Afghanistan back in 2009. Well, Bergdahl's court-martial has been delayed since February in a dispute over classified material. But the defense has not succeeded in getting access to hundreds of thousands of pages of top secret information that it says it needs.

Earlier my colleague, Martin Savidge talked with Bergdahl's attorney, Eugene Fidel, and asked him about his strategy.

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EUGENE FIDEL, BERGDAHL'S ATTORNEY: It's perfectly clear, I think, what the general tenor of the battle space is. This is a case involving a person who is held against his will for nearly five years by ruthless blood thirsty adversaries in a rough part of the world, and you know, there's no way of getting around that as a major issue in the case.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He did leave his post, though. I mean, that is without any doubt.

FIDEL: Well, we never addressed the merits of the case outside the courtroom. So I'll have to beg off on that if you don't mind. But the general outlines, I think, are probably pretty well known by now. There is going to be a substantial question of whether this extenuation of mitigation related in large part to the fact that he was held as a captive for five years and by the way he's already lost as a practical matter nearly two more years waiting for this case to come to trial.

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BROWN: Well, this Monday will be the five-year anniversary of the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader wanted for the 9/11 attacks. And in the White House situation room that day, the go order changed the course of the war on terror.

[18:50:05] Our national security analyst Peter Bergen got exclusive, unprecedented access to the White House this week for an "AC 360" special called 'WE GOT HIM." The president talked candidly to Peter about the risks involved in this operation.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: After the discussions with the principals, it was clear to me that this was going to be our best chance to get bin Laden, that if, in fact, we did not take the action that he might slip away and might be years before he resurfaced. I had confidence that we could get our guys back. We knew that it was going to cause some significant blowback within Pakistan and that if it wasn't bin Laden, probably the costs would outweigh the benefits, and we would lose face internationally because there was probably going to be a lot of difficulty keeping it secret once the operation started.

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BROWN: I'm going to bring in CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen.

Really a fascinating interview you did with the president in the situation room, and at the time when he had to make this decision, Peter, not all of his advisers were convinced that Osama bin Laden was in that compound. Some thought he might ne, others didn't think he was. So what was it that put the president over the edge for the go order?

PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, there was never clarity about it if bin Laden was really there. I mean, some of the CIA analysts put it at 40 percent, some said 60 percent, some said 80 percent. So, I mean, you know, it's a good example of presidential decision making where basically you have imperfect information but you've got to make a decision.

Well, actually we know now, Pam, from the documents that have been recovered in the bin Laden compound that the idea that bin Laden might well move is actually true. In the recent release of documents, bin Laden was in a dispute with his body guards. They were all thinking of splitting up. So certainly the president's concerned that -- you know, they first found out about this possibility in August of 2010. The decision was made on April 29th, 2011.

So, you know, the longer you delay, there are risks. And you know the president felt that it was worth the risk, and of course there were lots of potential downsides. I mean, bin Laden might not have been there. The Pakistanis might have gotten to a firefight with the SEALs. SEALs might have been captured or killed. So he took -- you know, he made a -- by the Admiral McCraven's account who is in charge of the operation, who we spoke to extensively for this special, you know, it was a -- it was a gutsy decision.

BROWN: And at one point you asked the president what must have gone through bin Laden's mind realizing that the last face he'd seen in the world was that of an American soldier? What was his response? BERGEN: Well, I mean, he -- the president said, you know, that he

hoped that bin Laden understood that when you kill 3,000 Americans, he was going to -- you know, there was going to be -- justice would be served. And certainly it's simply a fact that the last person that bin Laden saw on this earth was an American who killed him.

BROWN: And just lastly, very quickly, obviously this has been covered for five years now but did you learn anything new through all of these interviews you did?

BERGEN: Yes, I mean, you get new details. And I mean one of the I think key details is -- the key details come from Admiral McCraven who has never spoken as in depth about the raid. And we sat down, we had a very extensive interview from him. And hear it from his perspective and to have him narrate what happened that night is -- I mean, it's very interesting.

BROWN: Yes. It's unusual for him to do an interview like this and to go into such detail about the raid.

Peter Bergen, thank you so much. Really looking forward to watching this. It's really fascinating. We appreciate it.

BERGEN: Thanks, Pam.

BROWN: And that special, the "ANDERSON COOPER 360" special "WE GOT HIM: PRESIDENT OBAMA, BIN LADEN AND THE FUTURE OF THE WAR ON TERROR" airs tomorrow night at 8:00 Eastern.

We'll be right back live on this Sunday in the CNN NEWSROOM. Stay with us.

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[18:57:52] BROWN: And finally this hour a colorful spin on Saturday's White House Correspondents Dinner brought to us by our very own talented cartoonist Jake Tapper.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): It was the White House Correspondents Association dinner, or nerd prom, a few years ago when one person in particular stood out. Donald Trump. Front and center a few years ago while considering a White House run against President Obama in 2012.

OBAMA: Donald Trump is here tonight.

TAPPER: It was just days after the president released his birth certificate. Trump sat at the dinner stoically while the president mocked him.

OBAMA: We can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like, did we fake the moon landing?

TAPPER: Known only to a few people the bin Laden raid was just minutes away while the president, confident perhaps in that mind frame, mocked Mr. Trump's leadership.

OBAMA: You, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately you didn't blame Little John, Meat Loaf. You fired Gary Busey.

TAPPER: Trump responded later in fortuitous fashion.

TRUMP: I guess when you're leading in most of the polls that tends to happen.

TAPPER: People close to Trump have said that the mocking at his expense that night fuelled the desire to run for president. Some of it from the president. Some of it from the evening's entertainment, Seth Meyers.

SETH MEYERS, COMEDIAN: Donald Trump has been saying that he'll run for president as a Republican which is surprising since I just assumed he was running as a joke.

TAPPER: But as we now know, it might just be Donald Trump who gets the last laugh.

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BROWN: And tonight on CNN, a brand new episode of "ANTHONY BOURDAIN PARTS UNKNOWN" featuring the surprising culinary side of Chicago. That's at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN. And then at 10:00 the next episode of CNN's new series, "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA," W. Kamau Bell goes inside one of America's most notorious prisons, San Quentin.

Well, thank you so much for spending your Sunday night live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Pamela Brown, filling in for Poppy Harlow. Hope you have a great night and a great week.