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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

Donald Trump today wants to deal a knock-out blow. Ted Cruz, though, is fighting harder than ever before to keep his campaign alive. The battle

playing out right now in Indiana where voters are choosing a U.S. presidential nominee is heating up.

These are some images of people voting today in Indiana. The stakes are high for the Republicans particularly. They are competing for 57 delegates

in this Midwestern state. That may not sound like much, but as you can see, Trump is already closing in on 1,237.

That is the number of delegates need to clinch the nomination. Cruz is making a last-ditch effort to stop him. He blasted Trump today in an e

extraordinarily personal attack calling him a bully, a narcissist, and more.


SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Listen, Donald Trump is a serial philander and he boasts about it. This is not a secret. He's proud

of being a serial philanderer. I want everyone to think about your teenage kids.

The president of the United States talks about how great it is to commit adultery, how proud he is, describes his battles with venereal deceases,

his own personal Vietnam.


GORANI: Well, that was Ted Cruz attacking Donald Trump. Cruz put himself in a tough position ahead of this contest. He declared that Indiana would

decide the Republican primary making it a must-win for his struggling campaign. As Sara Murray reports, he is now pulling out all the stops to

stay alive.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If we win in Indiana, it's over with, folks. It's over with.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER (voice-over): For Donald Trump, today's primary is pivotal for knocking rival Ted Cruz out of the race.

TRUMP: If we win, it's over. Then I can focus -- then I don't have to worry about Lyin' Ted Cruz.

MURRAY: And redirecting his attacks on his potential general election opponent, Hillary Clinton.

TRUMP: E-mails. Bad judgment. Iraq, voted yes, bad judgment. Libya, bad judgment.

CRUZ: The entire country is depending on the state of Indiana.

MURRAY: But Cruz is still racing to overtake the frontrunner. Knowing if Trump wins here, he's on track to clinch the nomination. Cruz touting his

newly appointed running mate, Carly Fiorina.

CRUZ: Carly Fiorina is someone who stands up to bullies, whether they are Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

MURRAY: And putting her directly in Trump's line of fire. The billionaire's seizing on Fiorina's fall at a campaign event on Sunday.

TRUMP: They just showed it to me. That's really cruel. She went down in front of him and he kept talking. That was a weird deal!

MURRAY: Cruz spent the day before this crucial contest zigzagging throughout the Hoosier state and even confronting Trump's supporters face

to face.

CRUZ: Most candidates would have just let the protesters go do their thing. I made different decision. I walked across the street to engage

with them.

America is a better country --


MURRAY: The senator sparring with a fired-up crowd for over 5 minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump, he's the only one that's going to put us where we need to be. What are you going to do about the second amendment?

CRUZ: This man is lying to you and he's taking advantage of you.


GORANI: There you have it, Ted Cruz engaging Trump supporters there. Let's get an update on the voting under way. CNN's Jason Carroll is at a

polling station in Terre Haute, Indiana with the very latest. What's the mood like where you are today, Jason?

JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Busy. That's what it's been like at this particular location and another location we visited earlier,

Hala. You can take a look at the line right now, we've seen lines like there all day off and on.

[15:05:01]People enthusiastic here in Terre Haute, Indiana. In the state of Indiana, so much attention on this race. As you know, 500 people have

come in to this voting location so far. We're still open for several more hours.

So that gives you a sense of just how interested people are. I want to touch on that issue of what happened with Donald Trump talking about Ted

Cruz's father, the Kennedy assassination. Spoke to some Trump supporters here this morning told us they thought Trump's comments were embarrassing.

Another voter called them stupid. But having said that, both voters simply saying we're still going to support this man because we still feel as

though he is the best person to represent us.

A high turnout certainly favors Donald Trump here in the state of Indiana on the Republican side. On the Democratic side, a high turnout with most

definitely Bernie Sanders but again, polls are going to be open for a little while longer. We'll see how it goes -- Hala.

GORANI: We're going to talk a little bit more about some of these insults that have been flying in the race between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump in just

a moment. Are the voters in Indiana today, they must be aware that this is a crucial primary in Indiana?

Usually by now, the race is a lot more settled. So they must realize that their vote counts in an extraordinary way in that if Ted Cruz doesn't win

Indiana, this may be really end of the line for his strategy.

CARROLL: Well, certainly that's what Donald Trump says. Ted Cruz, as we should -- just to be fair, says even if he doesn't pull off a win here in

Indiana he is still going to push through until the very, very end.

But having said that, the folks here in Indiana know all too well that this is an important race, an important primary, and they are plying playing a

key role.

Donald Trump said it himself to his supporters at a rally, not once, but several times, if we can win here in the state, Donald Trump says it's

over. Of course, Ted Cruz and John Kasich saying not over by any stretch of the imagination.

GORANI: All right. So of course, that means that Ted Cruz is vowing to fight on. But I just want the take of -- you spoke to some of the voters

there in Indiana about some of the discourse there with Donald Trump repeating that unsubstantiated tabloid story.

That Ted Cruz's father was pictured with Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin of John F. Kennedy. Then the response of Ted Cruz. But you are saying

interestingly, supporters of Donald Trump are saying that was uncalled for, but we are still supporting him?

CARROLL: Some of the words that they used -- stupid, embarrassing, saying that the whole situation seems to be crazy. But having said that, the

voters that we spoke to -- and these are just again anecdotally the few that we spoke to about this.

But all simply saying the same thing, that Donald Trump is a man who doesn't use the teleprompter. Donald Trump is a man who speaks from the

heart, says what a lot of people are thinking but don't want to say, but he does that.

That's what Trump supporters seem to like about him, the fact that he speaks from the heart, is plain spoken. They don't agree with everything

that comes out of his mouth. That's evident and very, very clear.

But having said that, the Trump supporters we spoke to today said, yes, we do not like what he had to say about that particular incident but yes, we

will continue to support him -- Hala.

GORANI: All right, Jason Carroll there in Terre Haute, Indiana, An important primary day. Ted Cruz and Donald Trump of course, that's the


We also have the Democratic race as well with delegates at stake there. But it just appears as though perhaps there that race is shaping out in a

clearer way in favor there of Hillary Clinton overall in terms of the delegate count.

Now as we were discussing there with Jason Carroll, the discourse in the Republican campaign may have reached somewhat of a new low today. It

started hours ago when Donald Trump tried out a new line of attack on Ted Cruz. Listen.


TRUMP: His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being -- you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this great

pride to his being shot? Nobody even brings it up. I mean, they don't even talk about that.


GORANI: Well, Trump was referring to the "National Enquirer," the tabloid claiming a photo shows Cruz's father alongside the man who assassinated

President John F. Kennedy. Cruz wasn't having any of it. Listen.


CRUZ: This morning, Donald Trump went on national television and attacked my father. Donald Trump alleges that my dad was involved in assassinate

something JFK. Now, let's be clear. This is nuts. This is not a reasonable position. This is just kooky and while I'm at it, I guess I

should go ahead and, yes, my dad killed JFK, is he secretly Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa is buried in his backyard.


GORANI: All right. An attempt at humor there by Ted Cruz essentially attacking Donald Trump for making a suggestion or bringing up this

unsubstantiated tabloid story that his father was pictured alongside Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK's assassin.

[15:10:06]Let's get more from our Chris Moody. He joins us from Washington. John Avlon of the "Daily Beast" is in New York, the editor-in-

chief of the "Daily Beast."

John Avlon, I want start with you. Has this -- I mean, this level of discourse, what we're hearing now, these -- these "National Enquirer"

stories being brought up, then Ted Cruz calling Donald Trump an arrogant buffoon, a pathological liar, amoral. What is this saying about the state

of the Republican race?

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I mean, it is saying that we're defining deviancy down in American politics. I mean, the bar is so low at

this point. Donald Trump has done more anyone to create this tone. He essentially functions as an insult comic on the stump.

And now he is lifting material from the "National Enquirer," which is frankly conspiracy theorist and humor is one way to respond to it as Ted

Cruz just tried to do.

But it's really an indication of this desperate last days of mudslinging and the fact that all sense of the propriety and responsibility of being an

asset to someone running for president is out the window right now for the Republican Party.

GORANI: But John Avlon, this has happened in previous races before, hasn't it? This isn't unprecedented.

AVLON: Well, look. I appreciate a sense of history perspective is much, if not more than most, and people can go back and say, you know, they were

hurling insults at each other. When John Adams and Thomas Jefferson squared off in 1800.

Politics ain't bean bag, it's true. It's always been a full-contact spectator sport. But what's unusual is the absolute disregard for decency

with this kind of a mega phone. It is not being done through surrogates or through dirty tricks.

It is coming directly from a celebrity demagogue who's leading in the polls and that's transformed the tone of the race and sucked up all the oxygen

leaving other candidates throughout the course of this primary struggling to get attention by seeing how low they can go as well.

GORANI: Now Chris Moody, let's look at the math here. If Ted Cruz does not win Indiana in any significant kind of way, what does it mean for his

campaign? Essentially has he failed at trying to block Donald Trump from reaching 1,237 before the convention?

CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Let's start with the reason Ted Cruz is saying the things he did in his press conference today.

He wasn't pulling out conspiracy theories, but he really did throw everything including the kitchen sink at Donald Trump.

Really went after him in a way that we've never seen Ted Cruz go after Donald Trump before. What that suggests is that he's looking at pretty

dire numbers for his campaign. Ted Cruz would really need to win in Indiana, not because he can clinch the nomination before the convention.

He knows he can't. But that is one of the only ways he can really hold Donald Trump back from clinching it himself. If Donald Trump does as well

as polls are suggesting tonight, it is going to be incredibly difficult for any anti-Trump force to hold him back from that 1,237 number and based upon

the type of language we saw from Ted Cruz today, he knows it really, really well.

GORANI: By the way, there are some interesting numbers here in terms of how much money has been spent in Indiana. Chris Moody, Cruz's campaign, $2

million in Indiana, anti-Trump groups, $3 million. Donald Trump, about, give or take, $1 million in Indiana.

Yet he is very much leading in the polls. It doesn't seem as though there is a correlation here, Chris, between how much money is spent in Indiana

where Ted Cruz is doing all that he can and how well he's doing in the polls. Why is that?

MOODY: Well, what traditional rules have applied to this 2016 campaign? Especially when it comes to money. A lot of those rules have been thrown

out the window. But the money being spent against Donald Trump in Indiana tells you how important the anti-Trump forces see this state.

Look, typically in recent campaigns, Indiana was kind of an afterthought. Usually campaigns are kind of over at this point. People are starting to

rally around their candidate.

But now it's gone down to the wire and that is why you are seeing so much money poured in to this state. It is going to be very interesting to see

how much money is put in to California once they see the results tonight.

GORANI: All right. John Avlon, just want to mention the Democrats here with Hillary Clinton there and Bernie Sanders in Indiana, what's the

expectation there and what does it mean for the overall race?

AVLON: Look, it is a relatively tight race on the Democratic side. Hillary Clinton seems to have the lead, but Bernie Sanders exceeded

expectations in the past. If she wins Indiana, it is a further momentum halter for him and the math is in her favor.

But don't count the Democratic side out. He's talking big about taking the fight to Philadelphia. But she is in a much stronger position and he is in

a weaker position. You apply the same rules to both sides of the aisle here. Momentum and math is against both Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders.

[15:15:11]GORANI: John Avlon, editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast," and Chris Moody, thanks very much for joining us to both of you.

Much more on our top stories still ahead. We'll get another update on the crucial primary under way and get both the Democratic and Republican

perspectives on where this race may be headed. But as you heard from John, momentum and math clearly favoring the two frontrunners.

A lot more to come this evening. Hospitals as targets of war. We will hear the passionate argument Doctors Without Borders is making at the

United Nations Security Council today. Will their plea make a difference?

Also --


GORANI: Not often we get to report on happy stories and clearly these people are happy. Elated even! Leicester City fans, massive underdogs.

They've won the big prize. We'll be right back.


GORANI: The cessation of hostilities in Syria has already frayed almost beyond recognition.


GORANI: It doesn't look like much of a cease-fire, does it? This is Aleppo in Syria. Russia, the U.S. and the United Nations say they are

working to refortify and extend the truce to include Aleppo. That hasn't happened yet.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says that diplomatic breakthrough could come any time now but we are still waiting, and so are people who

live in Aleppo because hospitals are now battlefield targets.

To be clear, this is a war crime. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says rebels this time shelled the hospital today. The strike killed three

people and left the hospital and the government-held area of Aleppo badly damaged.

You'll remember, it is far from the only medical facility targeted. The rubble you are looking at used to be a clinic in rebel-held Aleppo. It was

hit by an air strike. The U.S. secretary of state blamed the regime.

John Kerry, like many of his diplomatic counterparts at the heart of ceasefire negotiations, represents a country that is part of the problem.

That is how the head of Doctors Without Borders sees it. Joanne Liu was blunt when she addressed the United Nations Security Council today.


JOANNE LIU, INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT, DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS (through translator): You are charged with protecting peace and security. Yet four

of the five permanent members of this council have, to varying degrees, been associated with coalition responsible for attacks on health structure

over the last year.


[15:20:01]GORANI: That was the international president of Doctors Without Borders, Joanne Liu. She was addressing the Security Council today. The

council has since heeded her call. They've adopted a resolution to protect civilians in armed conflict.

What will actually change? Jason Cone is the executive director of MSF. Thanks for joining us, Jason. First of all, many resolutions have been

adopted regarding Syria. Other resolutions in other conflict zones as well that have been ignored by the combatants involved in conflicts in many

areas around the world.

So do you -- does MSF view this resolution as a sign that things might change in Syria in particular?

JASON CONE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS: Thank you, Hala. I think it is important to note that over 80 countries unanimously adopted

this resolution. It condemns these attacks which are war crimes. It also called for independent impartial investigations when those attacks on

hospitals and doctors occur.

It's going to be judged on the basis of whether or not we see changes in places like Aleppo and Sanaa and Yemen or in Afghanistan. If we see -- we

continue to see seeking health care or providing health care being tantamount to a death sentence, then it will just be empty rhetoric, empty

words on paper and won't be worth the paper it is printed on.

So we need to see some concrete action on the ground. That means these attacks as my colleague, Dr. Joanne Liu, said in the council this morning

must stop and the governments must uphold their responsibilities and do what they said today when they passed this resolution.

GORANI: But do you believe that these attacks are deliberately targeting medical facilities in Syria?

CONE: We've definitely seen in places like Syria where attacking medical care has been a real part of the strategy of the war. Ever since the

outset of the war, doctors have been tortured, hospitals have been targeted.

The actual medical act of providing care to people in opposition-held territories has actually been criminalized. So we've seen great breaches.

It's not the only place, though.

GORANI: Not the only place. You mentioned Yemen. Of course, we are all familiar with the bombing of the hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan as well.

Is it the case that MSF and other organizations are considering or have actually stopped communicating coordinates of facilities in places like

Syria because they believe they are being deliberately targeted?

CONE: Yes, that's the case. But we do make these decisions on a country by country, even area by area basis. We do still share coordinates of our

facilities in many conflict zones. In certain places in Syria we don't.

And also to remind you that there are really Syrian health workers on the ground are the vast majority of the working force is trying to protect and

treat patients wounded in this war.

But it depends place to place, but it is true that in some places we've had to stop doing that in order to protect our staff on the ground.

GORANI: In Syria, it is the case that MSF has stopped sharing coordinates. Is that correct?

CONE: Yes, often times we've stopped sharing those coordinates because we haven't seen that it is proven to keep our staff safe.

GORANI: How do you even set up a medical facility in a place like Yemen, in a war zone like Syria, when health workers know that by doing this work,

they could potentially die because they're being deliberately targeted by both sides in many cases?

CONE: Well, the precondition for us to be able to work in these kinds of conditions is really to get this kind of agreement from the different

warring parties that they should actually respect the very foundations of international humanitarian law that were reinforced today by the council.

Medical professionals shouldn't be attacked, ambulances shouldn't be stopped. Hospitals shouldn't be bombed or raided. These are the basic

principles of war.

There are many places unfortunately today that we can't work, but there are many places also where doctors are working hidden in caves, places like

Syria in unmarked buildings just trying to do what they can to provide really important life-saving care.

We see the deaths caused from all these kinds of attacks, but it is really the only first part of the real impact of these abuses. It is really when

you have pregnant women who can't get assistance when they have complications.

Children are dying of malaria because there is no health cares there. There are two real impacts from these kinds of attacks. The immediate

deaths and those who can't get care for weeks and months ahead.

GORANI: And many people having to flee because it's become so unlivable. Jason Cone, thanks very much, who is with Doctors Without Borders in New


Several U.S. service members are being hailed as heroes after saving a family from a burning building in South Korea. Really some dramatic video.

It is footage of a mother dropping her children out of a fourth story window and on to a makeshift trampoline. It happened outside (inaudible)

airbase in South Korea. Here's Paula Hancocks in Seoul.


[15:25:08]PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): a mother drops a baby from a fourth story window. Only way out as a fire ripped through a

South Korean apartment last Saturday. Three children, aged 1, 3 and 4 are caught in blankets held by U.S. soldiers down below who were passing by and

stopped to help. Then the 30-year-old mother jumps herself. Miraculously they all survive without even a scratch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody started getting blankets from this shop here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The lady just started dropping her babies down. At first you could tell she was scared. She didn't want to.

HANCOCKS: The children's father thanked the military Monday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know how to explain my thanks because I was so surprised.

HANCOCKS: The family from Nigeria met the soldiers who saved their lives. The children looking remarkably unaffected by what had happened. A

terrifying ordeal that thankfully has a happy ending. Paula Hancocks, CNN, Seoul.


GORANI: Well, speaking of dramatic rescues, teens say they found a miracle in the rubble of a collapsed building in Kenya. Workers pulled out a 6-

month-old girl and she had been buried for 80 hours.

Special equipment detected someone breathing beneath the debris and then rescuers dug and found her wrapped in a blanket. The reason she survived

is unbelievable. She was inside a bucket. She's now been reunited with her father.

He says his wife died in the collapse and emergency teams are still hunting for survivors in this wreckage. More than 20 people died in that accident.

A once unthinkable story is now a glorious reality. Leicester City, once 5,000-1 underdogs, is the football champion of England. That team won

without kicking a ball because their rivals Tottenham could only draw with Chelsea yesterday. That sparked scenes of pretty wild jubilation and it

was breaking news on all the European networks yesterday. Christina McFarland reports from a city in a serious party mood.


CHRISTINA MCFARLAND, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the moment the fairy tale became reality. Leicester City's players celebrating the

unlikeliest of triumphs as Chelsea drew 2-2 with their rivals Tottenham Hotspur handing the title to the Foxes.

Their jubilant fans filled the streets with a sea of white and blue when the whistle blew. The name of Claudio Ranieri, once a surprise (inaudible)

to take over now a hero in this English city. He returned to work on Tuesday with a smile from ear to ear.

CLAUDIO RANIERI, LEICESTER CITY MANAGER: The job is good. I'm very, very happier now because maybe if won this title at the beginning of my career,

now I forgot -- no. Now I'm very old man and it make me feel much better.

MCFARLAND: The city center the morning after the night before where market store holders once only spoke of the prices for their fruit and vegetables,

now there is only one topic on everyone's lips.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hasn't sunk in to me yet. Yes, we done it. We done it with two games to spare.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I could not believe it. I genuinely did wake up this morning and think, we have won league, haven't we?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why not go on holiday? Why not Leicester City? It is just amazing. The city's alive.

MCFARLAND: Even former players shared their astonishment with the fans outside the stadium.

MATT ELLIOT, FORMER LEICESTER CITY CAPTAIN: Under the guidance and management of the owners here, correct decisions were made. You've seen

end result. Premier league title is in the bag.

MCFARLAND: A group of relatively unknown players with an aging Italian manager started with a dream at the beginning of the season. Now Leicester

City have proven that it's possible to defy the odds and be crowned champions. Christina McFarland, CNN, Leicester.


GORANI: Well, a word on the Olympic torch. Brazil, of course, is going through political turmoil, but it is still gearing up for the Olympic games

in about three months. The torch arrived in the capital Brasilia just a few hours ago.

It's slowly making its way to Rio de Janeiro where the opening ceremony will happen in August.


12,000 runners will carry it through 300 towns. And Dilma Rousseff received the torch at the Presidential palace earlier. Of course she could be

impeached even before the games get under way.


GORANI: This is "The World Right Now." We will have much more on the American presidential race as Ted Cruz fights to win in Indiana.


GORANI: I'll be speaking to a Republican and a Democratic about where the race goes from here.

And later, you'll remember the young Messi fan who stole all of our hearts. Well he has had to flee Afghanistan. Why does his family fear for his

lives? The latest on his story is coming up.



GORANI: Well it's a big day in Indiana, voting is under way there.


GORANI: It is a potential make or break primary for Republican candidate Ted Cruz. His rival Donald Trump has a clear lead and a win would put him

within striking distance of the 1,237 delegates needed to clinch the nomination for the Republican Party. It's expected to be a close contest

between Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.


GORANI: Also among all the other stories we're following the U.S., U.N., and Russia are working to extend and already shaky Syrian truce to the

embattled city of Aleppo.


GORANI: We've seen a major uptick in violence there including several attacks on hospitals blamed on the regime and today on one of the rebel



GORANI: And the Pentagon is confirming that an American service member was killed in Iraq and that he was a Navy SEAL.


GORANI: It happened during an ISIS assault just north of Mosul. The American was advising Peshmerga forces who were battling ISIS in Northern

Iraq. His death is the third casualty since the U.S. began increasing its forces in Iraq in the summer of 2014.


GORANI: Let's get more now on our top story, it's a big day in Indiana, voting is underway in that crucial state, especially on the Republican

side. Because Ted Cruz is desperately hoping to stop the front-runner, Donald Trump's, march toward the nomination. Let's take a look at the

Presidential race as a whole. I'm joined from Washington by Maria Cardona, she's a CNN political commentator as well as a Democratic strategist. I'm

also joined by Ryan Williams a former spokesperson for Mitt Romney.

Ryan, first I want to get your take on what's happening today. Really the mud-slinging, there's no other word for it -- between Ted Cruz and Donald

Trump who is bringing up a "National Enquirer" story that alleges that Ted Cruz's father was pictured with Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin of John F.



GORANI: You know, what is going on right now in the Republican race?


RYAN WILLIAMS, FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR MITT ROMNEY: Well what Donald Trump did today was sleazy, it was unpresidential and it was outrageous.


WILLIAMS: To bring up this garbage article from the "National Enquirer" and try to infer that Ted Cruz's father was somehow associated with the Kennedy

assassination. That being said Senator Cruz's reaction today was not helpful for his campaign. He lashed out, he gave the Trump campaign

ammunition to say that he's desperate which is the narrative they've been building for several days now.


WILLIAMS: So he took the bait basically. He should have just brushed it off and kept to his message but he kind of overreacted and I think it will -

GORANI: You're saying he overreacted by saying that Donald Trump is a pathological liar, an arrogant buffoon and that he's amoral. I mean

basically he's giving back what he's been getting from Donald Trump in this. But what does that do to the party though, I wonder -- the Republican

Party here?

WILLIAMS: Well Trump has done this before. If you recall, he's bated Marco Rubio and other candidates into these fights and they never work out well

for the candidate who's not named Donald Trump. So this is divisive but you know what Donald Trump's entire candidacy is divisive. So even if he does

lock things up tonight or in the future and Senator Cruz does leave the race, Trump is still a very divisive figure who will continue to divide the

party until he acts Presidential -- or tries to at least look like a candidate who could win this general election.


WILLIAMS: At this point right now he does not.

GORANI: And Maria Cardona, what is going through the minds, do you think, as a Democratic strategist, through the Democratic candidates as they watch

this unfold on the Republican side?

MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think what we have been thinking for some time is that the Republican Party is imploding before our



CARDONA: But what I will say, and what I have been telling my own party and frankly the Clinton campaign as well is that you know as giddy as we get at

that the possibility of running against Trump - and I do think at the end of the day it is going to be Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump -- it is

not going to be easy and it is not going to be a cakewalk because he is a very divisive candidate and we still live in a very polarized country. And

what we have seen from his supporters is that no matter what he says, no matter what he does, no matter how outlandish and embarrassing and

unpresidential he acts, his supporters will never leave him.

And what I also believe is going to be the case is, as much as the Republican establishment is shunning him now, I think a lot of them are

going to resign themselves to support him after the convention --

GORANI: Well, we're already seeing that.

CARDONA: Because you're going to see - well exactly because they're going to see that it's the only way --

GORANI: We're already seeing that. Marco Rubio has said that the campaign of Donald Trump has significantly improved.


GORANI: Rick Perry has said that he will back Trump. I mean we're hearing from major members of the Republican Party and establishment.

CARDONA: That's right.

GORANI: Members saying they're now sort of softening their rhetoric on Trump.

CARDONA: Well, exactly. And I think the reason for that is because they see that there is nothing that can stop Donald Trump. What I will say is that

Hillary Clinton has got to be prepared and Democrats have got to be prepared to run in the ugliest campaign that we have ever seen. And what

she to do is focus on the issues, but at the same time be able to respond in a way that is befitting a Presidential candidate.


CARDONA: And while Donald Trump is incredibly popular among his own supporters and grassroots Republicans, we have seen his numbers among

women. We have seen his numbers among Latinos. And right now those numbers are going to keep him from a realistic path to the White House because

we've seen in years past the GOP cannot get to the White House without additional numbers.

GORANI: I've got say - I've got to ask Ryan, we -- from the beginning, observers, pundits, experts, party officials have said, no way! Donald

Trump? The nominee? That's never going to happen! Now he's pretty much got it locked. You know? The nomination. Ryan Williams, I've got to ask you.

This idea that somehow he won't be you know a viable candidate at the general election, people have been predicting his performance wrong for

months now. Could it be that he will be -- that he in fact will be a very competitive general election candidate?


WILLIAMS: Well, unfortunately, I can't disagree with much of what Maria has said. I don't think he is a viable candidate in the general election but

the posture amongst Democrats must be to take him seriously. He does have a very, very active base. But a primary election is very different than a

general election. He has alienated himself with a number of different voting constituencies that will play a bigger role in the general election

than they did in the Republican primary. I don't see how you can turn things around that quickly. I'm sure he'll try but you know Democrats would

be unwise to brush him off, but at the same time I do think the challenges are almost -- they're insurmountable for Trump in a general election.


GORANI: All right.

CARDONA: I agree.

GORANI: Maria, as a Democratic - go ahead - yes, no but as a Democratic strategist, let me ask you a little bit about Bernie Sanders. He's vowing

to stick with this until the convention. Do you think this is hurting Hillary Clinton's chances in a general election to have Bernie Sanders

continue to challenge her throughout the primary process?


CARDONA: Well, let me say this. I think up until now the debate between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders has been very good for the Democratic

party, has been very good for country, in really seeing the contrasts between two candidates who know how to debate each other in a civilized,

respectful, yet very passionate manner, versus what we see the debacle is that's going on on the Republican side.

Having said that, I do think Bernie Sanders has a choice to make. Because moving forward the math is insurmountable for him in order to get to the

convention with enough delegates to surpass Hillary Clinton. And it's going to be incumbent upon him to choose whether he wants to continue down a path

where the rhetoric can start to hurt the Democratic Party in a general election. We've already seen Donald Trump mimicking Bernie Sanders' own

rhetoric and using -- trying to use Bernie Sanders against Hillary Clinton. So I do think he has to be careful. But again, I think at the end of the

day Democrats will be united.

GORANI: He says he should run as a third party candidate.

CARDONA: Yes. Exactly. I mean again -


CARDONA: We've seen the outlandish things that he's saying. That's right - - but Bernie Sanders, the last thing he wants to do is to be one of the factors in getting Donald Trump elected President of the United States. So

I don't think that he will be a part of that.


GORANI: Can I ask you, Ryan Williams, about Marco Rubio. Clearly -- I mean I don't know what would you call his -- how would you characterize his

latest statements about the campaign of Donald Trump? That essentially he has a significantly improved campaign. Is he reaching out in some way?

What's in it for him here?

WILLIAMS: Well, I think what he's doing there was a quote from one of his aides anonymously in a report here in Washington that he is thinking

potentially about running again in four years assuming that Donald Trump doesn't win, which is a pretty good assumption. And he doesn't want to be

viewed as someone who wasn't a team player, who didn't support the nominee of the party, who was a drag on the ticket, to disenfranchise voters who

potentially he might want to try to appeal to in four years if he does run again. So I think that his considerations and his comments here are about

his own future and keeping options open, not really about Donald Trump and his campaign or anything that he has done recently.


GORANI: Not a shorter term play, you don't think.

WILLIAMS: I think it is a longer term play for his future.


GORANI: All right. Ryan Williams, thank you very much for joining us and Maria Cardona. Thanks to both of you there for your analysis and your take

on an important primary day in Indiana. We really appreciate it.

CARDONA: Thank you, Hala.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

GORANI: All right. Now, you will probably remember this story if you're a regular watcher, if you watch this program regularly. You'll remember the

5-year-old Afghan boy who was pictured wearing a homemade Lionel Messi jersey sparked the world's affection? Now he's been forced to leave his

home and in fact his country. Lynda Kinkade explains where he is going and why.


LYNDA KINCADE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The 5-year-old boy playing football wearing a Lionel Messi shirt made out of plastic. These images of Murtaza

Ahmedi became an internet sensation earlier this year. He became an even greater celebrity after Messi sent him two autographed jerseys and a signed

ball. The gifts arrived with a promise from the Argentine superstar that the two would one day meet.

But now the young boy Murtaza is learning that his sudden rise to fame has come at a price -- his own safety. Several members of the Ahmedi family

were forced to flee Afghanistan and settle in Pakistan after Murtaza's father said he received kidnapping threats against the 5-year-old child.

WAHID AHMEDI, MURTAZA AHMEDI'S UNCLE: (As translated) These people felt that the different gangster and terrorist groups in Afghanistan might

kidnap him. There are such gangs that can kidnap him and then demand ransom. His father does not have so much money and that is why they have

moved from Afghanistan to here.

KINKADE: The family initially moved to Islamabad but found the Pakistani capital too expensive. They are now settling into the city of Quetta.

However, if things go Murtaza's way, he may soon be playing football somewhere else.

MURTAZA AHMEDI: (As translated) I like Messi very much. I want to go meet him. I love Messi.

KINKADE: Until the day he meets his idol, he will keep honing his football skills.

Lynda Kinkade, CNN, Atlanta.


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GORANI: This is "The World Right Now." Coming up, Britain's opposition labor party is facing a crisis over allegations of anti-Semitism within its




GORANI: Well now to a disturbing story that's been making headlines right here in the United Kingdom. The opposition Labour Party is facing quite a

crisis over accusations of anti-Semitism within its ranks. Some members, including the member of parliament and the former Mayor of London, have

actually been suspended and it is happening right before some important elections. Phil Black reports.


PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This isn't how politics in Britain is usually conducted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Disgusting racist!

BLACK: These men are supposed to be on the same team.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you're a lying racist!

BLACK: They're both part of Labour, Britain's main opposition party, a party now in crisis, of allegations of deep rooted anti-Semitism among

DAVID CAMERON, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: I think it is very simple, anti- Semitism is effectively racism.

BLACK: First, it was revealed Labour's Naz Shah shared an image on social media before she was elected suggesting Israel should be relocated within

the United States.

CAMERON: Made remarks about the transportation of people from Israel to America and talked about a solution and is still in receipt of the Labour

is quite extraordinary.

BLACK: Naz Shah apologized.

NAZ SHAH, LABOUR MP: I accept and understand that the words I use caused upset and hurt to the Jewish community.

BLACK: She was still suspended by the party but defended publicly by one of its prominent members. Remember the man being shouted at on the street?

That's Labour's Ken Livingston who said this in a radio interview.

KEN LIVINGSTON, LABOUR NATIONAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE: Let's remember when Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be

moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism and this was before he went mad and ended up killing six millions Jews.

BLACK: His suggestion Adolph Hitler supported the creation of the Jewish state inspired outrage within Labour. He refused to apologize. The party

suspended him too. Labour's Sadiq Khan is fighting to be the first Muslim Mayor of London and believes these recent events are part of a wider


SADIQ KHAN, LABOUR CANDIDATE FOR LONDON MAYOR: I think it's quite clear that there are too many examples in our party of people with anti-Semitic

views where action isn't taken quickly enough.

BLACK: Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn initially insisted the party doesn't have a problem with anti-Semitism. Days later he announced an internal

inquiry along with a new code of conduct.

JEREMY CORBYN, LABOUR PARTY LEADER: I know we stand absolutely against anti-Semitism in any form.

BLACK: But Corbyn's critics have long been worried about his leadership on this issue. He once referred to members of terror groups Hamas and

Hezbollah as friends.

CORBYN: I use it in a collective way saying our friends were prepared to talk. Doesn't mean I agree with Hamas and what it does? No. Does it mean I

agree with Hezbollah and what they do? No.


BLACK: For Britain's Labour Party this is a crisis at the heart of its values. A party with a long record of fighting discrimination, is now

being accused of being deaf and blind to wide spread anti-Semitism within its own ranks.

Phil Black, CNN, London.


GORANI: In Venezuela frustration is mounting because the country is grappling with a very bad economic crisis. It's in fact led to food

shortages, rolling blackouts and a two-day work week. Many have found themselves standing in line for hours just to find something to eat or buy

basic essentials in a country that has so many natural resources that it should be so rich. CNN's Paula Newton joined them. Take a look.


PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (Inaudible) The line. This is how Venezuelans spend most of their time now. In line, not for luxuries but

basics. Your next meal, soap, you're your next load of laundry, diapers for your baby's next nappy change.

I'm with a 2-year-old lining up having to put up with this, she tells me. "we have no milk, we have no diapers, nothing. This is impossible!" she

pleads. She says she left her home at 4:00 a.m. Like many here, waiting for government rations that are dwindling ravaged by hyperinflation, government

mismanagement and an oil crisis.

These types of lines are popping up all over Caracas. People here are looking for flour and pasta, some of them were here this morning, they were

told the store had absolutely nothing. And that's the kind of scavenger hunt that's happening throughout Venezuela; people just trying to find the

basics can't find them.

We're not allowed to shoot inside, but outside people tell us they line up for hours and still get nothing. "We are hungry. We have needs, We have no

food, look at this line. Mothers who are hungry, we need food, medicine, we can't find anything. What's finishing us off? Hunger", she says.

Police are in control here, herding people and making sure they are shopping on their government allotted two days a week. The only way around

this, buying from a (inaudible) a black market middleman.

We followed one customer on a shopping trip as covert as any drug deal. But he's buying food. And this is what goes on here. Black markets have opened

up in so many neighborhoods. People just can't get the essentials. Salt. Sugar. The basics. Which they have to try and find on the black market.

Products are marked up at more than twice their fair value than on supermarket shelves. It's also illegal. The reasons neither buyer nor

seller wish to be identified. Few can afford it though, so Venezuelans walk the line, spending much of their lives now in (inaudible) the queue,

already one of the most detected and humiliating rituals in this country's history.

Paula Newton, CNN, Caracas.


GORANI: That's really quite surprising to see these scenes.

Coming up, Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of playing the woman card.


GORANI: So she's now playing the hand she's dealt, she says, and making actual woman cards to raise money for her campaign. That story is next.




GORANI: Cashing in on Donald Trump's attacks. Trump accused Hillary Clinton of playing the woman card. You might remember that, meaning she is trying

to appeal to voters simply because of her gender, that she wouldn't be doing nearly as well if she was a man. Now you can be an actual "woman

card" carrying Clinton supporter.

CNN's Jeanne Moos has that story.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: If you think the Donald accusing Hillary of playing the woman card is all talk --

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The only thing she's got going is the woman's card.

MOOS: Check out the actual woman card Hillary's campaign is sending out to anyone who donates. When Trump first said it last week --

TRUMP: The only card she has is the woman's card.

MOOS: Hillary fired back.

HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, if fighting for women's health care is playing the woman card, then deal me in!

MOOS: That line ended up on the card the campaign says brought in $2.4 million in donations in three days. And then there were a bunch of internet

jokes. This one was captioned when you're trying to use your #womancard to get into the subway. One cartoonist portrayed Trump as the joker. This

woman card entitles you to longer bathroom lines. And this mock ATM card pretends to give women only $78 when they try to withdraw $100, unequal

pay. Stephen Colbert opted to pull out --

STEPHEN COLBERT, CNN ANCHOR: The man card. Allows you to explain things to woman about women.

MOOS: But there's something I wish someone would explain to me. Can't we all least agree on whether or not to use an apostrophe?

TRUMP: The only card she has is the woman's card.

She is playing the woman card.

TRUMP: It is the woman's card and she plays it.

CLINTON: The "woman card."

MOOS: Well you can quote a writing expert at staying drop the apostrophe.

SUE MENDELSOHN, DIRECTOR COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY WRITING CENTER: There is no correct answer but the common usage would suggest that similar to the race

card, that it be the woman card.

MOOS: The woman card. Don't leave home without it, whether you're Hillary or the Donald.

TRUMP: She's playing the woman's card and it is like give me a break.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN --

CLINTON: Deal me in!

MOOS: New York.


GORANI: Well, stay with CNN for live coverage of the Indiana primaries. Results as they come in on CNN.

Thanks for watching. I'm Hala Gorani "Quest Means Business" is next.