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Conservatives Divided Over Trump; Examination of Potential VP Candidates; Venezuela's Economic Crisis Hits Hospitals; Federal Agencies Join Prince Death Investigation; Canada Wildfire Burns 85,000 Hectares; Russian Orchestra Plays Amid Ruins Of Palmyra; Republican Party Deeply Divided Over Trump; Davutoglu To Step Down As Turkish Prime Minister; U.S. Nuclear Attack Sub On Front Lines Of New Cold War. Aired 3-4p ET

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ERROL BARNETT, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Errol Barnett standing in for Hala Gorani today live from CNN Center. This is

THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

We begin with what a massive wildfires raging at this moment in Northern Alberta, Canada. Local authorities say 85,000 acres have already been

fired in Fort McMurray. The images are just stunning.

Nearly 50 wildfires are burning there including seven that are absolutely out of control. Authorities have ordered nearly 90,000 people to evacuate.

Alberta's premier, Rachel Notley, says the government will help anyone affected by the fires.

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RACHEL NOTLEY, PREMIER OF ALBERTA, CANADA: To those people who have been displaced from their homes, I want you to know that we have your back. You

will be supported. We have a very difficult road ahead with a lot of uncertainty as the fires continue to burn. But whatever road we face, we

will face them together with the support of all citizens across this province.

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BARNETT: The weather will play a key role in containing the fires. Our meteorologist, Karen Maginnis joins us now with the latest on that from the

CNN Weather Center.

Karen, it has been the intense heat that contributed to the fires. So today is the weather helping or hindering some of the rescue efforts?

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: We still have some brisk winds, Errol, and we'll see a dip in the temperatures so not quite as hot. That is not

the key ingredient that we've been looking at. It has been exceptionally dry for some time now across this region.

Now, I want to point out, this is Google earth where you see the yellow shaded areas, those have happened over the last few days. Where you see

the red, and that lies to the east and to the south of Fort McMurray.

That is where some of the recent blazes have taken place. The cause of this fire, we're referring it to it as one entity, but it is actually

multiple fires that have started, 18 in the past 24 hours, but they're saying that it is still being investigated as to the cause.

Here is Fort McMurray and you can see some of the smoke blowing off of the fires that are burning across this region and we hear horrific stories

about people who had to leave their homes with little to anything other than the clothes on their backs and their automobiles.

And they're saying the fuel emergency is critical. People who have tried to leave the city, moving to the north along the highway there, but it is

critical. Not just for fuel, but also for food, for aid, for any kind of shelter.

We saw on Tuesday the temperatures soared to a staggering 33 degrees and by this weekend the temperatures jump up again. Not quite as hot but still

very dry.

BARNETT: Yes. It remains a serious situation there. Karen, thanks very much. Let's speak to a man now who just a short time ago made it out of

the inferno. Peter Fortna says he thinks believes his house is destroyed by the fire.

He joins us via web came from Edmonton. Peter, I appreciate you joining us. Just explain how you made it out and why you are certain that your

house is gone.

PETER FORTNA, WILDFIRE WITNESS: Well, thanks, I'm from a community and -- or from part of the community that is called Abnastan (ph) and it sounds

like my area was destroyed. From there, in my evacuation, I went to another community called Water Ways, which also is destroyed now, and then

we went to a community further south which is Draper.

But unfortunately in Draper, there is only one way in and one way out. So the only way out was by either boat or by helicopter. A number of people

took boats, but I was lucky enough to get on the helicopter in Ft. McMurray and they took me to the airport.

And from there, I rented a vehicle and drove to Edmonton. I was there, left at 10:30 at night and was back in Edmonton at 4:00 the next morning.

BARNETT: You are telling some of our team, that helicopter ride, that air lift was essentially donated to you for free. You have been using a social

media profile to send out messages to others who are displaced so they know where the shelters are. I'm just wondering, because this was so

unexpected, how organized or disorganized has this rescue effort been?

FORTNA: Well, I have to give the first responders and the governments a lot of credit. Everybody is safe. Nobody, as far as I've heard, nobody

has been seriously hurt.

[15:05:01]So as unorganized as this could feel sometimes, everybody is safe and that is the most important thing about this whole catastrophe. I can't

help the firefighters who are still there fighting, you know, trying to save our homes. You can't thank them enough.

BARNETT: There is another layer to all of this. You're concerned that Fort McMurray that had already suffered economically from the ongoing dip

in oil prices, it may not recover from this at all. Why is that?

FORTNA: That's right, a lot of the community was built on the premise of, you know, $100 barrel of oil or higher in the not too distant future and

with the recent crash in oil prices, a lot of people have been feeling an economic crunch in our community where you almost need a $60 barrel of oil

to make a lot of the projects viable, which we're well under at the moment.

So as a result, a lot of the people have lost their jobs over the last two years, a lot of people have had homes for sale over that time and the

prices have dropped 25 percent or more for a lot of those people.

BARNETT: Well, I can just thank you for joining us and telling us, you got out safely. It is also good to know that there are no injuries reported as

of yet. But this continues to be a serious situation. Peter Fortna, thanks for your time today.

We want to get on the line Lori MacDonald from Toronto. She is the assistant deputy minister of Emergency Management at a governmental agency,

Public Safety Canada.

And Lori, if you were listening to Peter there, he was lucky to get out, thanks to the generosity of some of those rescue officials. Can you just

update us on the size of this blaze and the extent of those being rescued right now?

LORI MACDONALD, PUBLIC SAFETY CANADA (via telephone): Thanks, Errol, very much. First and foremost, I just want to say our hearts and prayers go out

to Peter and people like Peter who have been suffering in Fort McMurray and who are facing this very terrible situation.

Certainly in terms of size that the premier indicated earlier today is well over 85,000 hectares of land. That is quite significant in terms of

coverage and more so because it hit critical infrastructure and home communities in terms of destruction.

BARNETT: What about the economic impact of this? Peter was essentially saying this is a part of Canada that relies on a higher price of oil. That

doesn't seem to be changing on the markets and after a devastating incident like this, what does the future hold for this part of Canada?

MACDONALD: Thanks, Errol, I would say at this time, our focus is on preserving life and critical infrastructure. Right now we're taking this

hour by hour as we battle this very, very horrific blaze.

It is important that we focus all of our energy, our first responders, our management people and just trying to get through this difficult time with

no reprieve in sight in terms of very large forest fires.

But I will say that the governments are here in the short-term, midterm and long-term. They are standing by Alberta to support people as they go

through this difficult situation.

BARNETT: And have you been able to evacuate all of those who need it?

MACDONALD: We've actually evacuated over 80,000 people and we will continue to do so depending on the path of the forest fire and how far --

and how far it reaches in terms of communities that are being affected.

BARNETT: We wish you all the best in our hearts certainly go out to all of those who have lost so much by now. The images really only telling part of

the story. Lori Macdonald there joining us on the line from Toronto with Public Safety Canada, thank you.

Some other stories we are following for you this hour. In March, the Syrian army backed by Russian forces recaptured the ancient city of Palmyra

from ISIS. Today, now the Russian orchestra performed a concert amid the ruins. Take a look.

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BARNETT: This concert was dedicated to the victims of ISIS and was broadcast live on Russian state television, clearly a symbolic event there,

but what kind of message is Russia sending to the world.

Our Frederik Pleitgen is traveling with Russian forces in Syria and joins us on the phone from Central Syria, and Fred, just tell us what message

Russia is trying to send with this type of event.

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Hi, Errol. Well, I think it is three messages that they're trying to send

and I think it is three different addressee that those messages have.

I think on the one hand, I think Russia is sending a very strong domestic message showing Russians themselves that the effort that their forces are

making in Syria are making a difference.

[15:10:00]And I think something like the liberation of Palmyra and the fact that the concert was held today by that Russian orchestra with the Russian

director and Vladimir Putin giving that message beforehand was something that will lead to a lot of pride with a lot of Russians who watch that.

And of course, there is a message to the Syrian people. Palmyra is one of those places that no matter which side of the equation, they all want

Palmyra to be around and to be liberated from ISIS.

It is something that Syrians have told me in the past and certainly many of them who were there today were thankful and happy that Palmyra was not only

liberated but also wasn't destroyed by ISIS in the process.

And then of course, the big message that Russia is sending to the world is that they're a key player in political affairs, very certainly in Syria.

And if there is going to be a solution in Syria, any sort of movement, politically in Syria and on the battlefield, there won't be any way to get

around the Russians. It is a clear message they sent on this day -- Errol.

BARNETT: And it also sends the message that Russia is in control there, but the truth is that the Islamic militants have retaken many areas, not

just in Syria, but in Northern Iraq where they have been previously kicked out. How close are ISIS militants to that ancient site today?

PLEITGEN: That is a very good question because they are still fairly close at hand. They still have the very important city, a government hold up,

which is surrounded by ISIS, which is down the road from Palmyra.

Of course, we know that they still hold Raqqah and areas close to Palmyra as well. That is one of the reason why the Russian keep a large contingent

near Palmyra, which is surprising for us to see a lot of Russian armored vehicles there and Russian anti-air craft weapons, Russian tanks in the

area as well.

So you're absolutely right. The ISIS militants kidnapped part of Syria still a threat, so at times, of course, the Syrian forces on the frontline

and this war that is going on there against ISIS is something that is still very far from over -- Errol.

BARNETT: Fredrick Pleitgen on the line with us from Central Syria. Fred, we appreciate your live report on that.

But the war on the country is still ongoing, a 48-hour cease fire is under way in the city of Aleppo. That's north of Palmyra. Tens of thousands of

people have already fled that city, but today a place where they took shelter came under attack.

An opposition group says at least 28 people were killed when airstrikes hit a camp that displaced people near the border with Turkey. Some of the

wounded are in critical condition and the death toll there is expected to rise. Opposition officials say it is not clear if Syria or Russia carried

out those strikes.

Donald Trump returns to the campaign trail today with only one remaining target, Hillary Clinton. Trump is now the lone U.S. Republican

presidential candidate still standing essentially freeing him up to focus on his expected Democratic opponent.

Let's bring in CNN's Chris Moody now, who joins us from Washington. Chris, how would you describe the state of the Republican Party today? You have

some vocally calling for a third party candidate.

Others saying they will vote for Hillary, parts of this never Trump block. Meanwhile, those who do support Trump could not be more passionate. Is

this a crisis?

CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: You might call it a crisis. I would call it a dumpster fire. I don't know if I've seen

anything like this as far as an uphill battle to unite a party after a presumptive nominee comes in.

Look, you have top level Republicans calling him things like a-morale, a con artist. Some of them say they would rather get shot in the head than

support Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, other top Republicans are vowing not even to go to the national convention including former presidents, former presidential nominees. This

is really unheard of.

So Donald Trump has a lot of work to do to unite this party, to bring people on. I've spoken to lifelong Republicans. People who have poured

their blood, sweat, and tears into this party for years and into the conservative movement, which is probably closer to them to party politics

and they're saying they'll vote for Clinton.

This is not good news for the Republicans, but you know what? This whole campaign has been unpredictable and I'm expecting more unpredictable things

to happen in the next few months.

BARNETT: But you know, some of what you said is probably the reason why so many Republicans dislike Trump so much. He has essentially turned the

party upside down and embarrassed many of their frontrunners and they have underestimated him, so then what should the Democrats be doing right now?

Underestimating Trump proves to be a false errand for Republicans. Should Clinton be pushing Bernie Sanders to exit the race and unify behind her

because Trump is building up his ammo as we know right now.

[15:15:11]MOODY: A couple of things at work for the Democrats. First of all, they are going to try to tie Trump to all of the down ballot men and

women running for office in the Republican Party, the House members, the senators, the governors, anybody with an (inaudible) name. They'll try to

get them to answer to a lot of the controversial things that Trump has said.

Now, as for unifying the party on the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders is still in this race with Hillary Clinton and it is actually a strategy of

keeping the party together by not pushing him out.

It is looking like the system, the mathematics of the Democratic primary might just push Bernie Sanders out anyway, so it doesn't necessarily help

Clinton to try to appear impatient and to push him along.

He will get pushed along just fine and that the Democratic Party knows that is going to happen. But, what she needs to do is be reaching out to those

Bernie Sanders supporters and saying look, he ran a good fight. It has been a good run.

Now let's come together and by pushing him out, that makes it more difficult. I think she is showing a little bit of patience here until she

can wrap up the Democratic nominee.

BARNETT: Yes, and we will expect plenty of mudslinging from both sides. So as calm as the Democrats can be, it would be much appreciated. Chris

Moody joining us from Washington. Thanks.

MOODY: Thank you.

BARNETT: Meantime, Londoners are going to the polls today to vote in the city's mayoral election. Twelve candidates are running and the two main

candidates are Labor's (inaudible) Kahn and conservative, Zach Goldsmith. Whoever wins will replace conservative Boris Johnson who may try to succeed

David Cameron as party leader and British prime minister.

This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Still to come tonight, these two men have dominated Turkish politics for the last few years, but now Prime Minister

Ahmed Davutoglu is stepping down. I'll be getting some analyses in just a few minutes.

Also coming up, we are on board the USS Missouri, a CNN correspondent gets an exclusive look inside an attack submarine on the frontlines on what some

are calling a new cold war.

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BARNETT: Welcome back. There are big changes ahead in Turkish politics. Prime Minister Ahmed Davutoglu announced he will step down from his

position later this month. He said the ruling party that is the AKP is entering a new era. It comes amid speculation of a riff with the country's

president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Davutoglu has been prime minister since 2014.

Our international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson joins us now from London to talk about what this really means and Nic, what does this move tell us

about the state of the AK party and President Erdogan's grip on power?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: It shows Erdogan's grip on power is strong almost absolute you might say because

constitutionally the prime minister has the real political power in the country.

[15:20:07]The President Erdogan really has a more sort of a figure head type position. As for the party itself, when you listen to Davutoglu today

giving his 40-minute speech, essentially saying I'm stepping down, calling an emergency meeting of the party to elect a new leader who will become

prime minister, he made it sound all very seamless.

He was very clear to say there were no problems between me and the president. But I think when you listen between the lines of what he is

saying, you can hear that here is a man that does have differences with the president. This is what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AHMET DAVUTOGLU, TURKISH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): I did not negotiate with anyone. I do not have a vision of calculations based upon

the negotiation on the values and principles I believe in. Your companion comes before the path. I want to be sure that my friends and I set off on

a path together shoulder to shoulder, and when we're not together, I would want them to tell me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERTSON: So basically what he appears to be saying is that he is a friend of the president. He doesn't want to part ways with his friendship

with the president and they're on a different track and he won't negotiate and compromise his position for what the president wants.

So there is a difference. They're papering over the differences, but the party, it appears, remains strong. The President Erdogan is the strongest

here -- Errol.

BARNETT: It appears strong, Nic, but it is facing challenges from all sides when you factor in the Kurdish resistance, the war across the border

in Syria and of course, the massive refugee crisis it is dealing with. So politically speaking, where can things go from here?

ROBERTSON: Well, politically, Erdogan wants the constitution changed so that he can have constitutionally more powers. If you look at the

elections last year, the AK party lost in the first part of the elections and then they had another round of elections after a new conflict started

with the Kurdish parties which marginalized with the Kurdish secular party if you will, a more moderate Kurdish party.

Not the Kurdish Workers Party, part of the group who the government sees as terrorists, the AK Party came back stronger in the second round of

elections in November last year, so, at the moment, the president is in a position of having a party that is united.

The prime minister hasn't upset that at this time and he has the appearance, if the prime minister was trying to sort of gain some

individual power, he is the one negotiating with the European Union.

He is becoming an important figure on the international stage as well, if he was trying to make an end run around the president for more power, the

president has proven that he has more supporters.

Just last week the AK Party themselves when the prime minister was out, they voted to limit his executive powers for nominating officials. So you

know, this is a done deal behind the scenes and the president is pulling the strings.

BARNETT: Indeed Erdogan continues to gain more power. Nic Robertson live for us in London tonight. Nic, thanks.

A cold war ended decades ago, but underwater tensions between the U.S. and Russia are escalating. The U.S. Navy says Russian submarine activity is

reaching levels not seen in some time and the Pentagon is racing to keep up.

CNN's chief U.S. security correspondent, Jim Sciutto joins us now live from New York to discuss this. Because Jim, the tensions between U.S. and

Russia may appear calm somewhat above water, but it is literally more turbulent under the surface. What did you find?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is. We've seen the conflicts go above the surface as well. We've seen the

close fly byes of U.S. naval ships, of airplanes, air craft in the air by Russian fighters. That is increasing. We've seen disagreements on the

geopolitical front over Ukraine over Syria.

What has been playing out in effect in secret is a whole another arms raise in effect under the sea involving Russia but other countries as well,

China, North Korea, Vietnam, India, and we saw a small but really fascinating piece of it on the USS Missouri.

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SCIUTTO (voice-over): The USS Missouri nuclear attack submarine sailing to exercises in a deep dive off Florida. The Atlantic is on the front lines

of a new cold war. We join for an exclusive embark.

(on camera): The USS Missouri is an attack submarine. It can launch torpedoes and other submarines and surface vessels. It can launch missiles

at ground targets. It gathers intelligence and deploy Navy SEAL units for special operations. It is the most advanced submarine in the world.

(voice-over): And it is facing the most advanced strats to U.S. submarine forces in decades.

[15:25:02]Russia is deploying attack submarines in numbers and with aggressiveness and advances in technology not seen since the cold war.

And now China, North Korea, Vietnam, India, and others are joining a new arms race under the sea. Commodore Ollie Lewis commands a squadron of ten

Atlantic-based subs including the Missouri.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were operating in places where we didn't have to rely on an adversary being there to challenge us. That is changing. We're

back to the point now where we have to consider that there is an adversary ready to challenge us in the undersea domain and superiority is not

guaranteed.

SCIUTTO: New threats require a new state of readiness which we witnessed at every turn. Missouri's 135 crew repeatedly trained for anti-submarine

warfare. They simulate firing torpedoes and missiles from depth towards targets on sea and land.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Course 337, unit running, wire, good.

SCIUTTO: They're constantly testing the enormous speed and maneuverability.

(on camera): We're in the midst of another steep assent. You're hearing the alarm as we approach 20 degrees. When you get to 25-degree angle, keep

in mind, I'm standing up straight now, but as I'm leaning forward, that is keeping me vertical in relation to the ground as the angle gets sharper.

(voice-over): These are exercises but the Missouri, the "Mighty Mo" to its crew, has repeatedly come nose to nose with real world threats and Russia

annex Crimea and launched military action in Syria, the Missouri was deployed nearby and when a Russian sub turned up off the coast of Florida

in 2012, it was the USS Missouri called into action to track it.

(on camera): That is just showing, hey, showing where they can go.

FRASER HUDSON, COMMANDER, USS MISSOURI: Honestly, I think it is operational experience, if anything were to ever happen, they have

experience, they know those waters. I don't think it is a political statement on their part at all.

SCIUTTO (voice-over): The Missouri's greatest asset may be the silence, invisible to satellites, inaudible to other ships and subs, giving the U.S.

the element of surprise.

HUDSON: Whether there is a submarine there or not, they don't know. A potential adversary has to take that into their calculations when they make

decisions to do bad things.

SCIUTTO: And so under water is where these boats and their crews spend 90 percent of their time deployed.

(on camera): So USS Missouri is coming into port now, May Port Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida and that is not something, if you're a

submariner that you do very often.

Their most recent deployment, they were out for 181 days, 163 days were at sea. That is the life of a submariner.

(voice-over): And that is a call to action. The U.S. Navy's 70 submarines are getting more and more often.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCIUTTO: Now you speak to submarine commanders, I've spoken to the commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe. They're confident that the U.S.

maintains a technological advantage under the waters but acknowledge that Russia is challenging that advantage and other countries are coming up to

compete as well.

Including China, in Asia, and they say that there needs to be an investment and attention to this challenge to keep that advantage. It is incredible,

as you watch it happen and it is something that is really happening in secret.

They call the submarine services, they call them the silent services, because they're under water, because much itself is secret, but we have a

rare look inside of that.

BARNETT: And it doesn't come cheap, those submarines costing millions of dollars. Jim Sciutto live for us in New York approaching 3:30 (inaudible).

Jim, thanks.

Still to come, it is still a tiny movement but it is picking up steam. Critics of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are calling for a third party

option in the U.S. presidential race. A CNN panel is standing by to talk to me about that and more.

Also, coming up, Venezuela's economic crisis extends to the healthcare system. CNN has obtained rare access to a hospital there. Much more on

that after this.

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[15:31:35] BARNETT: Welcome back. This is "The World Right Now."

Russia sends a message about its military prowess with a soft touch.

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BARNETT: A renowned Russian orchestra performed a concert amid the ruins in Palmyra, Syria the city was recaptured from is not long ago. That concert

broadcast live on Russian state television.

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BARNETT: The Prime Minister of Turkey says he will be leaving office. Ahmet Davutoglu announced that he won't run for another term as the ruling AK

Party's leader. He down played rumors of a riff between himself and the country's President Recep Tayyip Erdogen.

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BARNETT: Authorities in Canada say wildfires have destroyed 85,000 hectares across the city of Fort McMurray. Nearly 50 wildfires are burning there

including 7 that are out of control. Authorities have ordered nearly 90,000 people to evacuate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BARNETT: Now it appears certain that American voters will be left with a choice this fall. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARNETT: While they both have a strong base of supporters, they are highly polarizing voters among the general public. In fact, according to their

unfavorability ratings, they are more disliked than any other Presidential frontrunner in decades. Let's talk more now about the race.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BARNETT: We're joined by CNN political commenter Ben Ferguson and CNN commentator, Bakari Sellers, former state representative in South Carolina.

Gentleman, Welcome to you both.

I just want to begin with a fresh tweet from Donald Trump sent at the top of this hour, so I don't think you've seen this yet.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARNETT: We want to show it to you. He says "Happy Cinco de Mayo. The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!" As he sits

over a taco bowl. Now I'm pretty sure a taco bowl is an American creation. But Ben, let's begin with you. Is this why some Republicans are in outright

revolt right now?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would say yes. At any time you send out a taco bowl from New York City in your office with the last

sentence being I tweeted this out a moment ago when I saw it, I cannot believe the last sentence, "I love Hispanics," it just seems like it is the

worst pandering you can possibly get from a Presidential candidate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

FERGUSON: So this is one of the problems that Donald Trump is going to have to try to figure out how to overcome. There are a lot of people that do not

like him in the Republican Party and if he is going to be able to turn this around and get his unfavorables up, one of the things he has to do is tell

the supporters to stop attacking people that used to be, with Rubio, Cruz, or Jeb Bush or anybody else.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FERGUSON: You have to be inconclusive. You can't try to stick it to them. You really do have to be inclusive. And usually in campaigns when you get

the nomination, you do everything you can to bring other people in under your tent saying hey, the past is the past, I want you on my team, I want

you to be a part of this movement and Donald Trump has not done that yet.

BARNETT: And Bakari, let's bring you in here because Donald Trump's short comings let's say are obvious in this regard. But Hillary Clinton herself

has very high unfavorables and the longer Bernie Sanders stays in and says really rallies his supporters, the more damage it does to her image. So how

soon do you think it should be until we see the Democrats come together?

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BAKARI SELLERS, CNN COMMENTATOR: Well, I disagree with your premise. Bernie Sanders is not damaging Hillary Clinton as he moves forward. In

fact, Bernie Sanders has every right to move forward. Hillary Clinton didn't get out of the race until June 7th of 2008 in her race against

Barack Obama. In fact, they're both talking about issues, they're both targeting Donald Trump with any of their "attacks." It's healthy for the

Democratic Party and we don't have those personal anomies that exist in the Republican primary. We don't have anyone accusing the other's father of

literally being on the grassy know with Lee Harvey Oswald. We don't have those types of things. We have policy differences but at the end of the day

on one stage there, is no hesitation that you're going to have Barack and Michelle Obama, you're going to have Bernie and Jane Sanders, Jo and Joe

Biden, and you'll have Hillary and Bill Clinton coming together to take on Donald Trump in the fall. We don't have those issues on the Democratic

side.

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BARNETT: Now, Ben, let's talk about the financial side of all of this, both candidates with high unfavorables but Hillary Clinton of course an

experienced politician. Donald Trump still has yet to to set-up a national ground game and many of these never Trump Republican donors say they will

help the senators and representatives win their reelection races later this year rather than getting behind Trump. Financially, could he be in trouble?

FERGUSON: I don't think so. I think Donald Trump is going to be able to raise money. He has already said he is going to start raising money. He has

a former Goldman-Sachs guy that is going to be helping him raise money as his campaign finance chairman which was announced today.

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FERGUSON: That will take off some of the early Trump supporters because he said he wasn't going to be controlled by Wall Street or anyone else but he

is using a Wall Street guy to help raise money. That's just the way it's going to be, you're going to have to raise money. I think he'll be able to

raise it. I think he'll be just fine in that regard.

As to Hillary Clinton saying that everything is cumbaya on the Democratic side though, that's far from reality. Bernie Sanders has been able to win

and win and win in places he was not supposed to win. Hillary Clinton has two problems; young people don't like her and they don't trust her and

they're going with Bernie Sanders. And the second thing about her unfavorablism among Democrats, her worst number is trustworthiness. The

majority of people do not think that she is trustworthy so she's going to have to overcome that. You can put Barack Obama on stage with her but

there are a lot of young people that are supporting Bernie Sanders, that gave him a win in Indiana that are absolutely not happy with Hillary

Clinton. They don't want to support Hillary Clinton. So she's got her own problems as well.

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BARNETT: And Bakari, even though you disagree that by having Bernie Sanders in the race it's not hurting Hillary Clinton's unfavorable numbers. Might

you admit that she is viewed as an establish candidate and there really is no way to shake that. And this is a year when Donald Trump has surprised

the right by being the outsider. How, then, can Hillary Clinton mitigate that weak spot? Because it is a weak spot.

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SELLERS: Well, I don't -- I don't think you have to worry about mitigating it during this election when you have - when you have Hillary Clinton who

is way more qualified and way more experienced than Donald Trump running against what is the definition of a loose cannon.

BARNETT: But if a year when experience doesn't seem to count to the electorate as much

SELLERS: Well you're looking at a microcosm and a small slither of the electorate. The fact of the matter is Donald Trump has won ten million

votes in the Republican Primary and yes, that's more than anyone in the history of the Republican Primary. The fact of the matter is, he has to get

to 66 million if he is going to be the next President of the United States. So you're looking at a really small microcosm.

What Hillary Clinton has to do and what her establishment as you called it, will allow her to do is strengthen and embolden and give those people a

voice that are a part of the Obama coalition which is how Barack Obama in 2012 got to 332 electoral votes against Mitt Romney. This isn't going to be

a lot of rocket science. This is going to be going out and making sure that voters of color and college educated women, especially, come out and vote.

BARNETT: But on that point for you both in just our last minute here, Ben, let me get from you just your top two picks at who you think has the best

chance of being Trump's VP. And then Bakari for you, for Clinton.

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FERGUSON: I think John Kasich certainly has to be up on the top of that short list and I also think Chris Christie is another one that is there.

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FERGUSON: Donald Trump has made it very clear that he does want someone in the political world. He does want someone that understands how the politics

of Washington would work with legislation and moving it through the house and the senate. That may even mean that he goes after a congressman or a

former senator who is a governor.

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FERGUSON: But I think those that were loyal to Donald Trump early on definitely have the best shot at this right now and those are two names I

think he's got to be looking at.

BARNETT: Maybe Carly Fiorina can try again. What about (inaudible)

SELLERS: I doubt it.

I'm going to be - I'm going to be a lot quicker than Ben Ferguson and say the top one is Thomas Perez, Secretary Perez. Number two is a relative dark

horse but I'm sure he's going through the process Elijah Cummings. And a third as well is secretary Castro, the former Mayor of San Antonio, now

Secretary of Hud.

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BARNETT: Well, one things for sure, it only gets more interesting from here. Ben Ferguson joining us from Dallas and Bakari Sellers, thank you for

joining us from Charleston, South Carolina.

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BARNETT: Now Trump says there is a 40% chance that his vice presidential pick will be one of his former rivals. Now we're not sure how he got that

precise number but we can share some insight into all the careful considerations that go into choosing a running mate.

How to pick a vice president. While the race is not yet officially over, supporters are already looking to who presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump

and leading Democrat Hillary Clinton will choose as their running mates for the general election.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: It is always a critical pick. In the end, voters vote for a presidential candidate and not for a vice

presidential candidate.

BARNETT: So what can a vice presidential pick bring to a campaign? Well sometimes its experience. Back in 2008, then candidate Barack Obama

selected Joe Biden as his VP. At that time, Obama was a one term senator while Biden already had decades of experience in Washington.

In 2000, then governor George W. Bush chose Dick Cheney, a former congressman who had served in the administrations of two previous

presidents including a role of secretary of defense underneath Bush's father.

Now a VP pick can also add youth and energy which can help or hinder. When George Bush Sr. went from being a veep himself to a Presidential candidate

in 1988, he chose a young up and coming congressman, Dan Quail as his running mate.

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BARNETT: Senator John McCain tried to boost his bid for the White House when he added a largely unknown outsider to his campaign. Alaska Governor,

Sarah Palin.

SARAH PALIN, 2008 VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lip stick.

BARNETT: McCain lost. Other factors also come into play, including geography, does a potential VP come from a state with many electoral votes.

Do they bring diversity to the ticket or can they help unify a party after a tough primary season? Sometimes it is not about contrast, balancing the

ticket or electoral strategy it's simply who the nominee believes is the best person for the job.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: This is the next vice president of the United States of America, Senator Al Gore.

BARNETT: As in 1992, when then candidate Bill Clinton chose Al Gore, a fellow southerner nearly the same age and someone who shared much of

Clinton's political ideology. A winning move.

And while the current candidates say it may be too early to choose a vice president, supporters and strategists agree it is never too early to

speculate.

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BARNETT: Now this next story you really have to see to believe. Six days after a devastating building collapsed in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi,

four more people were pulled from the rubble alive.

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BARNETT: They include three women and one man. All of them have been rushed to the hospital. The latest rescues come two days after emergency workers

pulled a baby from that very same wreckage. Kenya's National Disaster Center says 35 people died in the collapse. Around 70 are still missing.

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BARNETT: Venezuela's economic crisis has led to a huge shortage of food and basic supplies and now hospitals are feeling the impact.

CNN's Paula Newton recently visited one hospital where it's a daily struggle for doctors to treat the sick and wounded.

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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You're about to get a rare look inside one of Venezuela's largest public hospitals. A searing view of the catastrophic

conditions stalking patients the moment they step inside. The true state of these hospitals is contentious. The doctors granted us access because they

want you to witness just a fraction of the suffering and indignity their patients endure every day.

He has allowed to let us in here.

As we rush through corridors, Dr. (Ronnie) details the long list of shortages, medicines of all kinds, syringes, saline solution, IVs, gurneys,

even cleaning and sterilization supplies. And then he takes us to meet (Jose Luis Vasquez).

"I was shot so they could steal my bike" he recounts. "The bullet came in and went out the other side." And then he goes on to say, "there is only a

makeshift drain for his lungs.

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NEWTON: The hospital has no gauze, no needles, and he had to buy this himself." And then he shows us where he keeps his money, counting out the

cost of his needle, the equivalent of ten dollars, he can't afford. Next door, we gather to meet with (inaudible) just 21-year-old with a

horrifying tumor on her neck. She is clearly in pain. Her mother tells us they have been waiting for the operation, but it was cancelled today. No

medical supplies. (Inaudible) lies waiting in a hot room, bringing her own sheets and drinking water, in a hospital that is crumbling. No working

toilets or shower.

So Dr. (Ronnie) is telling that us that throughout the entire hospital, you'll have scenes like this. The infrastructure is absolutely crumbling

and falling apart, there are leaks everywhere, the water doesn't work.

Then, he shows us a wing that was supposed to open months ago.

So these are operating room that were (inaudible) by the government just last year and Dr. says he's never seen any equipment here and they've never

been used.

We find (Luis Delgado,) in the corridors. 40 days in the hospital, still waiting for surgery. In the meantime, he too buys his own medicine he says

and he has even had it stolen inside the hospital.

Behind closed doors, the doctors vent their frustration, not over their salaries at barely $30 a month, but at what they now describe as a

humanitarian crisis not yet acknowledged.

We used to have operating rooms working 24 hours a day, she points out, the surgeons would work a lot. This was an elite hospital. Still, I want to

know why (Dr. Ronnie) would risk his career by speaking out. He answers that supposedly there is still democracy and free speech here.

"It's part of my job," he says, "it's part of my commitment to the patients and we have to raise our voices."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't see that things are getting better, just getting worse.

NEWTON: Have you had cases of people dying?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, of course, of course.

NEWTON: Places of healing rendered horrific by ending financial misery. Here you find the human cost of Venezuela's deepening crisis.

Paula Newton, CNN, in Northern Venezuela.

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BARNETT: Doctors with that universal desire to save lives. This is "The World Right Now." Still to come -

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BARNETT: We'll take you live to the U.S. State of Minnesota as more investigators get involved into the probe into music super star Prince's

death.

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BARNETT: So it's been two weeks now since the shocking death of music icon Prince and the investigation is expanding.

The U.S. Attorney's Office and the Drug Enforcement Agency are joining the probe. Let's go live to CNN's Stephanie Elam, she's in Chanhassen,

Minnesota. Stephanie, what's new today?

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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. Well, Errol one of the things that we're learning from law enforcement officials is that one of the

things they're going to be investigating is whether or not someone within Prince's camp was helping to get these opioid pain killers to the super

star.

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ELAM: They have still not found valid prescriptions for these drugs in his house that were found on him and in his possession. But what they are

saying here is that they do believe that Percocet was one of the drugs. And the local media here today there was a report that Percocet was found in

Prince's system.

However, the medical examiner handling the autopsy put out a statement just a few minutes ago saying that they have not released information about

Prince's toxicology or his autopsy to anyone, including law enforcement. So a new development here, but still pretty cloudy.

And just to switch gears a little bit and talk a little bit more about Prince, the person Prince, the artist, we had a chance yesterday, I had a

chance to sit down with two of the men in his band, "The Family" decades ago and they put out a tribute to Prince yesterday at exactly seven hours

and 13 days since he passed away with a new version of "nothing compares to you" to remember the man that they said influenced so much of their musical

lives.

But what was interesting as well as talking to them is talking about how Prince kept his music and the fact that Eric Leads, who you are about to

hear from, had actually been inside the vault. Take a listen.

The number of recordings you were part of is leading credence to the idea of the vault and that there are hours upon hours of music in there. What do

you - what do you guys say to that?

PAUL PETERSON, FORMER MEMBER OF PRINCE'S BAND: Well I can say on behalf of the family (inaudible) I know there are two for sure, two songs unreleased

that we recorded in the 1985. They haven't come out yet. I know those are there but you did so much more recording with him than I did.

ERIC LEEDS, FORMER MEMBER OF PRINCE'S BAND: Probably 90% of what I recorded with him is in the vault and it has never seen the light of day.

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ELAM: And interesting enough, Errol, they also said that this room was about 20 to 25 feet.

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ELAM: And that everything was meticulously recorded down so they knew what songs were in there, or Prince knew what was in there, and that it is

climate controlled. So a little bit more insight into exactly how much he cared for all of his intellectual property, Errol.

BARNETT: Just incredible. So there is more Prince music to come, who owns it and how it gets distributed though that is certainly two questions to be

figured out much alter on.

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BARNETT: Stephanie Elam live for us in Minnesota. Thank you.

Now there's potentially big news concerning another star singer.

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BARNETT: Janet Jackson is reportedly pregnant with her first child. The nearly 50-year-old pop star has not addressed the reports just yet but last

month you may remember, she said she was putting her tour on hold to start a family.

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BARNETT: From captivity to freedom. We'll show you how rescued circus lions are adjusting to their new home. That is next.

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BARNETT: It was the largest single relocation of lions ever. 33 big cats rescued from abusive conditions in circuses in Peru and Columbia and taken

to a sanctuary in South Africa just last week.

Well our David McKenzie shows us the challenges the lions face as they adjust to their new lives.

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DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Feeling out the new surroundings at the sanctuary in South Africa these are no ordinary lions. For years, decades,

they were kept in horrific conditions, performing in traveling circuses in Peru and Columbia.

(SAVANNAH HOYS): How do you force a lion to listen to you? You break their spirit. That's what you do.

MCKENZIE: 19-year-old (Savannah Hoys') dream was always to save lions in distress and these lions have been declawed, nearly starved and often

tortured by their circus owners.

Years of investigation by the Charity Animal Defenders International led to the ban of circus animals in the two countries and to this. The 33 rescued

big cats going across the world in a cargo plane, the largest single relocation ever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rescue on this scale is really important because it actually tackles the problem.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's their birthright to be in Africa, it's where they belong. I mean they're African lions, they - and now they've been brought

back to their home land.

MCKENZIE: But still, so much to learn. Lions are incredibly social animals and what they're doing here is getting them used to each other because for

years they were kept in isolation in these circuses. And in fact, this enclosure is six times bigger than the kind of cage they were put in for

all of that time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They've been on display all of their lives. They've had people staring at them and poking at them and laughing at them all

their lives. Now they can go and be free.

MCKENZIE: Freedom for these lions, but so many others still forced to perform. David McKenzie, CNN, Emoya Sanctuary, South Africa.

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BARNETT: So the animals are peaceful and the people fight. Take a look at this chaotic scene in South Africa's parliament as a brawl breaks out.

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BARNETT: This as President Jacob Zimmer was due to deliver address on Wednesday. He was heckled by members of the Economic Freedom Fighters Party

before they were ejected.

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BARNETT: That has been "The World Right Now." I'm Errol Barnett. Thanks so much for watching, Quest Means Business is next.

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