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[11:00:14] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's heartbreaking, because I don't know if I have anything to go back to.
BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Massive wildfires burning in western Canada have doubled in size since Friday and now threaten to move into a
neighboring province. The fires have forced nearly 90,000 people to flee, some with nothing more than what they could grab quickly, including this
little girl, who is now living in a shelter with her family.
And the flames are spreading.
Shakeup in Saudi Arabia, the kingdom's long-serving oil minister sacked. Analysis on what this means for the oil market is just ahead.
And the latest on Kenya's announcement that the country will close all of its refugee camps, a decision impacting more than 600,000 people.
Very good evening. Just after 7:00 here in the UAE. Apologies for some problems we had at the top of that show.
Massive wildfires burning in western Canada. As I said, it's doubled in size since Friday and now threaten to move into what is the neighboring
province saying, of course, they have forced 90,000 people to flee, some with nothing more than what they could grab quickly, including this little
girl who is now living in a shelter with her family.
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CHANEL OHELO, WILDFIRE EVACUEE: It looked like the place would be all burned and I'm scared if my house would be burned down, my room, my stuff,
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ANDERSON: Well, hundreds of firefighters are working around the clock. The fire captain from Ft. McMurray, the hardest hit area, broke
down about talking about the help his community is receiving.
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ADAM BUGDEN, FORT MCMURRAY FIRE CAPTAIN: I've met more heroes in this experience than I have ever thought existed. Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's okay, Adam. It's okay.
BUGDEN: Our our community has more firefighters and more emergency responders, police, everybody, that have given up their own homes, that
have safe -- their own families waiting that are for them to come up in the middle of this beast, to help protect my home. They're heroes to me.
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ANDERSON: Well, CNN's Paul Vercammen has more from Alberta's capital for you.
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Becky, many of the fire evacuees wound up here in Edmonton at the expo center where they've been staying
overnight. Ground zero for these devastating Alberta fires is Fort McMurray. And right now, we're going to hear from the premier of Alberta
on the fight there.
RACHEL NOTLEY, PREMIER OF ALBERTA: Firefighters in the city kept working to save the downtown and as much of the residential neighborhoods
as possible. We held the line for a second day. There will be an enormous amount of work to do to make the city safe and habitable.
The gas has been turned off, the power grid has been damaged and large portions of the city don't have power right now.
The water is not currently drinkable.
VERCAMMEN: The Ft. McMurray fire, just one of many burning in Alberta, more than 40 of them in all. 1,400 firefighters on the line, 27
air tankers trying to help put out these blazes.
There is a bit of good news in that the Ft. McMurray fire is burning away from the population
center and into the forest. And they will basically allow that to happen. The focus, protect people and
property and don't see any more serious damage or devastation.
Back to you now, Becky.
ANDERSON: Well, new face of Saudi Arabia's oil industry is promising some stability after a major cabinet shakeup there is expected. The energy
minister Khaled al-Falih has vowed to maintain the country's current policy of prioritizing marketshare over prices.
Now that pledge comes a day after Saudi Arabia fired their long serving oil minister Ali al-Naimi and appointed Falih to head a new energy
CNN's emerging markets editor John Defterios has more on what is sweeping change.
[11:05:02] JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: Ali al-Naimi was the most powerful man in the oil business for two decades. He was the
de facto leader of OPEC, the club of oil exports, since he controlled the largest proven crude reserves in the world.
Since late 2014, he has been leading a tough battle, putting marketshare ahead of higher prices, challenging U.S. shale producers and
others to a showdown.
ALI AL-NAIMI, FRM. OIL MINISTER, SAUDI ARABIA: If they want to cut production, they are welcome. We're not going to cut, certainly Saudi
Arabia is not going to cut it.
DEFTERIOS: And this is a position you'll hold for, what, the first six months of2015?
NAIMI: The position we'll hold forever.
DEFTERIOS: But many saw the minister's position waning, since last month's meeting of
OPEC and non-OPEC ministers in Doha.
Naimi was forced to change course on a plan to freeze production to help lift prices. The deputy crown prince Mohamed bin-Salman said kingdom
wouldn't budge unless Iran did the same. So, by decree the young power broker reshuffled the cabinet and also the 80-year-old minister out of a
The changes are part of a wider plan to shake up the economy, called vision 2030. It includes floating up to 5 percent of the country's crown
jewel, Saudi Aramco.
The new minister, with a wider portfolio, Khaled al-Falih, is well known. He's the current chairman of the energy behemoth, having spent
three decade there. Back in January, he told a cnn energy round table at the World Economic Forum, the kingdom was well prepared for the Saudi-led
fight for marketshare.
KHALED AL-FALIH, SAUDI ARAMCO CHAIRMAN: if prices continue to be low, we will be able to withstand it for a long, long time.
DEFTERIOS: investors will appreciate his steady hand as Saudi Aramco makes a move to go public. But perhaps most importantly, internally, he's
trusted by the deputy crown prince, the man calling all the shots.
ANDERSON: Well, John is with me now. Just how significant is this move, John?
DEFTERIOS: Well, it's extraordinary. We've been talking about it internally within the oil
markets for the last year, ever since Mohamed bin Salman took power many thought there would be transition. Now the shoe has finally fallen.
It's very important in the bigger scheme of vision 2030 for Mohamed bin Salman, but also for the partial IPO of Saudi Aramco. Khaled al-Falih
is very transparent, a very steady hand. But more importantly, Becky, he actually delivers on everything. Saudi Aramco is much more than an energy
company, it's built a university, it's (inaudible) university in Riyadh. It's built health care facilities. And even, I had a chance to visit an
outsourcing facility, all female-outsourcing facility, in Riyadh.
So every sensitive project that needs to be delivered was handled to Saudi Aramco. And I think the deputy crown prince says this is somebody I
want in my camp. 30 years of experience, six as CEO, one as the chairman.
But we can't overlook the career of Ali al-Naimi, I don't think. It was 60 years at Saudi Aramco. He started as a clerk, some even described
him as a tea boy, climbed through the ranks, became a petroleum engineer, got his PhD in the United States, and for 20 years, had the top job in the
Interesting inside story there, he asked King Abdullah, the previous king, that he wanted to
resign and said I've done my time here. And the king told him, look, you're 78 years old, and compared to me, who is 92...
ANDERSON: You have time left.
DEFTERIOS: Yeah, and you're going to manage the oil downturn for us. Perhaps he stayed a little bit too long.
ANDERSON: This is an important job because effectively, Saudi, to all intents and purposes, run OPEC, right.
ANDERSON: So, they are running some 40 percent of oil resources at any one time, if you put OPEC into one big pot.
And here is a man who is coming from the oil company, which as you rightly point out, is looking at shaving off some 5 percent of its stock
and going public with that.
Going into a position where he will be running Saudi's policy. Now, you talk about this will be good for those who are looking for some
transparency. But will this be a transparent process, do you think, when you've got the man who used to run Saudi Aramco, the oil company
effectively, going to energy minister and pushing policy?
DEFTERIOS: Well, that is the $2 trillion question.
ANDERSON: And it will be...
DEFTERIOS: Yes, hope to be the value of Saudi Aramco.
Look, I don't think he is going to change the policy going forward. We know where the deputy crown prince stood at that meeting in Doha. He
actually strong armed Ali al-Naimi and said you can't sign a deal. And I don't think he's going to change the policy on Iran, by the way. But I
think the investment bankers, I think Wall Street and London will like Khaled al-Falih a great deal.
But it's quite interesting, Becky. In his statement tonight -- you had part of it in the lead-in to
the package. He said we want to strengthen our position as the world's most reliable supplier of energy. He's not talking about being a stable
supplier, he's talking about holding on to his marketshare. That's the translation of that.
So they're not going to bend to the winds right now and try to have a collective OPEC meeting. It's going to make the June 2nd meeting in Vienna
a house of intrigue, of course. How does he handle Iran going forward? we know where the deputy crown prince stands, we know where the king stands on
this. Will Khaled al-Falih try to build bridges with Iran, or is he going to say, look, we want you to freeze at least in the second half of the
year, then let's go back to the bargaining table. That may be the house of cards going forward.
[11:10:13] ANDERSON: That's an interesting question for when you get a chance to speak with him.
ANDERSON: Good. Let us know when that is.
DEFTERIOS: Hopefully this week. We'll see.
John Defterios in the house for you this evening.
All right. Some other stories on our radar today.
And the Mexican drug kingpin, also known as El Chapo, is on the move again. Joaquin Guzman has been transferred to this prison near the U.S.
border. Now, that could make it easier for the U.S. to extradite him on drug and homicide charges.
A fiery crash in Afghanistan has left at least 73 people dead and 52 injured. It happened southeast of Kabul when a passenger bus collided with
a fuel truck. Authorities say the resulting fire then spread to a second bus.
Rescue efforts are under way in southeast China for 34 people reported missing after a
landslide early on Sunday, that is according to state media. The landslide triggered by heavy rain, we're told.
The North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is signaling no change in his pursuit of advanced nuclear weapons. At the ruling party's first meeting
in decades, he praised that weapons program, saying it had raised North Korea's standing in the world.
Big things expected from the meeting underway now in Pyongyang, including a new title and even more power for Mr. Kim.
But as Will Ripley now reports, information is hard to come by.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's day three of the party congress and we've been waiting here in the parking lot at the Ngato (ph) hotel for
almost an hour. And we see a lot of the government officials on their phones, perhaps trying to figure out where exactly the group of press is
going to be going today.
We took a short drive through Pyongyang, a beautiful Sunday morning, didn't know where we were going. And we just arrived at the people's house
of culture. We don't know who is inside the building, but if you look at this row of shiny black Mercedes here, and
specifically look at the license plate numbers, that would indicate these are some of the highest level members of the Workers Party of
We've been told to bring all our gear, including our backpacks, inside. We have been given our
passports as well for some kind of security check.
What happened? What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Program has changed.
RIPLEY: Program changed? Where are we going?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back to the hotel, get lunch, and rest
RIPLEY: Well, there you go. We're headed back to the hotel. The program has changed.
After three hours of waiting at our hotel, we were all told to rush and gather in front of the television for this -- state TV broke in for a
special report, which turned out to be the leader's full speech that he gave Saturday to the Worker's Party Congress. It's been going on for well
over two hours.
Of course, we already read the full transcript. It's the first eight pages of the morning paper, coverage on the front and back pages.
If you're looking for any major policy changes or announcements, you won't find them in this
speech. The leader talked about North Korean history from 1980 until today. He did say this country
won't use its nuclear weapons unless provoked first. But we've heard that before.
So, in the end, even though we're inside this country, covering the Worker's Party Congress, the state controlled media continues to be our
best and only source of information.
Will Ripley, CNN, Pyongyang.
ANDERSON: Well, amid all the political fanfare in the country, there are new warnings. The think tank 38 North says satellite images show that
North Korea may be preparing for yet another nuclear test. Even before that, there was speculation that a test blast could be staged to coincide
with the congress.
More from North Korea, of course, as we get it.
Still to come tonight, a pause in the fighting for the people of Aleppo as the temporary cease fire may only be putting off the inevitable.
We're going to get you live analysis after this short break.
Plus, a deadly predawn attack is the latest sign that ISIS may be ramping up in Egypt. Live to our correspondent in Cairo for you.
Taking a very short break. Back after this.
[11:16:34] ANDERSON: Right, you're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.
It is 16 minutes past 7:00 in the UAE. There is new fighting in northern Syria where the U.S.-led coalition airstrikes and Turkish shelling
killing more than 100 ISIS fighters, we're told. But there is relative calm in Aleppo where a temporary truce brokered by the U.S. and Russia has
been extended. That has people returning to clear some of the wreckage and make repairs after heavy fighting between government troops and opposition
Well, let's take a closer look at what is happening there. Julian Reichelt is editor-in-chief of the Germany daily Bilt, has recently been to
Syria after having been there back in 2013.
What did you you witness this past trip?
JULIAN REICHELT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, BILT: Total devastation, Becky. The last time I was there in 2013, end of 2013, Syria was already bad, but
what I have seen now is basically scorched earth, a country where nothing is really left, the infrastructure is completely destroyed -- villages are
destroyed, schools are destroyed, every piece of essential infrastructure is.
But also the spirit of the people seems pretty much in shambles. For a long time, Syrians held
out there and thought, you know, peace would return to their country. And now everyone I talked to is
either displaced or in refugee camp or on their way to Europe and no one -- or Turkey. And no one really believes that peace will come any time soon
back to Syria.
ANDERSON: Yeah, we're told by the Russians that a truce will be and has been extended in Aleppo. And this week, of course, sees another
gathering of leaders of those, by the way, arming fighters on the ground ostensibly to try to find a solution to this crisis.
Do you believe that there is any real will on the part of those who say they want a solution to actually solve this crisis?
REICHELT: So far, we haven't really seen any real will. And for the Russians and for the regime and everyone who supports the regime, the
translation of truce has basically been preparation for a new offensive, for a new major battle. And that is what I think is
what we are seeing right now.
The big prize for the regime is still Aleppo, that is a city they want to take back. The rebels control half of it, and this truce probably is
just another preparation base for more sustained bombardment and another offensive.
If we look back at what has happened from truce to truce so far, that's what it's going to be. And, you know, truce's that's what the
Syrians tell me, have turned out quite deadly for people, because after a short phase of quiet, the killing just continued more deadly than before.
So, people in Syria don't really like and don't really trust the word "truce" anymore.
ANDERSON: Perhaps understandably so. I want to get our viewers just some recent video in to CNN. We're talking a prison uprising in Hamaa here.
And this video said to be from inside on Friday.
Now, Human Rights Watch says inmates also used WhatsApp to send messages, saying that police fired rubber bullets and tear gas to stop
protests that began a week ago, reportedly over the transfer of five inmates who were sentenced to death.
Do you have any other details on this video and the incident that we are looking at here? And just how significant do you think this is within
the wider context?
[11:20:12] REICHELT: Well, so far all details are pretty sketchy, because it's extremely hard to verify everything that is coming out of
anyplace through WhatsApp or any other social media channel or plead from.
In general, I think one can say that, you know, what you see here is that whenever, you know, one place gets quiet, you will see an uprising on
another end. And it just tells you that this whole conflict with so many parties fighting so many different interests at stake, just will not, you
know, find a peaceful solution anymore. It just will not find a settlement.
Whenever fighting stops somewhere, it breaks out in another place. And I think Syria will probably go the same way as Lebanon did in the past
where, you know, people will have to fight it out. And it will only end when all sides are sick and tired of the killing and the war. But that we
haven't reached that point yet.
ANDERSON: Let me just put some other side of this -- or another side of this that we've just been learning of today to you. Three Spanish
journalists missing in Syria since July are now actually free. They were greeted by their families in Madrid a short time ago.
Now, the freelancers went missing while working in Aleppo. It is still not clear where they
were or who was responsible. And so far, we've heard no other details about their release. Do you have any further details?
REICHELT: Well, first of all, it's always great to hear that colleagues who were missing for so long are free, because we have lost so
many friends and colleagues, especially in Syria, but also in all the Arab uprisings and revolutions. So, I'm very happy to hear that news.
From what I have heard, you know, there is a strong likelihood that they were held by an Islamist group, obviously, many signs indicated was
Jubhat al-Nusra, the al-Nusra Front. There are also some people in the country, the sources I talked to, tell that there may have been money
involved freeing them. We have seen Spanish journalists who were abducted before being freed. That is kind of unusual for other countries, for U.S.
journalists, for example, because the U.S. government simply refuses to get money involved here.
And for now, for what we know from the past every single incident where journalists were freed there was money involved. The government of
Qatar and Turkey were involved. So all that indicates that probably money changed hands between the Spanish government and the group that held those
three colleagues of ours.
ANDERSON: The views of Julian Reichelt today who is editor-in-chief of the Germany daily Bilt on Syria for you. Thank you.
Well, on the Italian/Austrian border, a planned protest turned violent with Italian police firing tear gas to disperse crowds. Now, hundreds of
demonstrators gathered Saturday at the Brenna (ph) railway station for a march to the border. Scuffles broke out and spilled on to the tracks,
protesters angry over Austria's plans to put up a fence at the Brenna (ph) crossing with Italy, it's a route migrants use to get into northern Europe.
Well, in Berlin, police arrested several left-wing protesters were at a far right rally against the
German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Police say protesters threw bottles at offices who responded with tear gas. Some on the far right in Germany are
angry at Miss Merkel for allowing more than a million migrants into the country since last year.
Well, eight Egyptian police officers are dead after a pre-dawn ambush and ISIS is claiming responsibility.
Officials say the officers were on a routine security check when four gunmen attacked shooting through the white minivan. The gunman took police
weapons before they escaped.
Now, the attack unfolded early Sunday in a suburb to the south of Cairo.
More now from Ian Lee who is in Cairo -- Ian.
IAN LEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT; Becky, this attack took place in the Helwan (ph) neighborhood. This is a neighborhood that has
been sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood as well as Islamists.
But this is the first -- really, this is the most major attack we've seen in Cairo in months. In 2014 and 2015 we saw attacks here in Cairo
almost on a weekly basis. And for months now, we have had a bit of quiet, a lull in the violence. And this attack also being the largest attack
carried out by insurgents since the 2011 revolution.
ISIS coming out with a statement, claiming responsibility for it, saying that it was revenge for
women held in Egyptian prisons. They also had a video claim that came out in recent days saying
that there will be more attacks like this -- Becky.
[11:25:34] ANDERSON: Ian is in Cairo for you this evening.
The latest world news headlines are just ahead.
Plus, hundreds of thousands of refugees could become homeless in Kenya. Why the government says it's shutting down refugee camps.
Taking a short break. Back after this.
ANDERSON: Well, more than half a million people in Kenya, half a million, are facing an uncertain future as the Kenyan government prepares
to shutter a key resource: refugee camps.
CNN's Robyn Kriel has more from Nairobi.
ROBYN KRIEL: The Kenyan government says it's shutting down these refugee camps because of the very heavy economy, security and environmental
burdens the camps are placing on this country.
The government says in particular it's concerned about threats from al Qaeda-linked terror group al Shabaab. The government says the group is
actively using the camps, particularly in the country's northeast along the Somali/Kenya border, as recruitment grounds for terrorists.
But this isn't the first time the government has announced a closure of these refugee camps for those same reasons. It did so last year, but
backed off due to international pressure.
Similarly, this time aid groups and human rights groups such as Doctors Without Borders, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have
all condemned the possible closure of the camps, calling it a reckless decision by the host country that would affect hundreds of thousands of
innocent, desperate people.
Kenya hosts more than half a million refugees from Somalia, South Sudan, Burundi, Ethiopia and the Democratic Republic of Congo. With many
of these nations still in the throes of conflict, it's unclear what other options these refugees would have if Kenya decided they had to leave. Most
of them simply cannot return home.
As of now, it's unclear when the government would shut down the camps, but it's already dismantled its own department of refugees in the first
step. It's calling on the international community to provide much-needed humanitarian assistance to these refugees in the interim.
Robyn Kriel, CNN, Nairobi, Kenya.
[11:31:33] ANDERSON: Well, you heard in Robyn's reporting there, Human Rights Watch saying that Kenya was turning its back on hundreds of
thousands of refugees.
Laetritia Bader, researches Somalia for Human Rights Watch and she joins me now live via Skype for you this Sunday from London.
You were Dadaab two weeks ago. Can you give us a sense of the scale of the camp? What are we talking about here?
LAETRITIA BADER, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: Well, we're talking about a camp which has hosted over three generation of Somalis who have been fleeing the
conflict in Somalia. And we are talking about many different waves. We're talking about also individuals who were actually born in the camp who have
never even been back to Somalia.
But as your reporter just pointed out, this is also, on the one hand, has been a haven for those
fleeing the conflict in Somalia, but on the other hand over the last few years, we've seen repeated pressure by the Kenyan authorities on Somali
refugees in Dadaab and other parts of the country, it's also become an increasingly hostile and difficult place for Somali refugees to be living
ANDERSON: What kind of logistical problems, then, would agencies like your own and others face in trying to move all of these people?
As Robyn has pointed out, there is no closure date and this has been threatened in the past. But just how big a deal would this be and where
would they go?
BADER: I mean, in terms of the logistics I think that's much more of a question for the Kenyan government themselves. I mean, it raises real
alarm bells that such an enormous number of refugees could be brought back to Somalia and other places in a safe and lawful manner.
In terms of where they could go -- and this is obviously one of our main concerns. I mean, Somalia is not a context which is conducive to the
return of a large number of refugees. I mean, we continue to document serious fighting, conflict abuses, which are leading to new displacement of
civilians inside of Somalia. I mean, I think it's also important to highlight that a lot of the refugees in Dadaab come from areas in Somalia,
which are still controlled by the Islamist armed group al Shabaab.
And al Shabaab not only controls large sections of the territory, they're also carrying out regular attacks against civilians in government-
And at the same time inside Somalia, we still have a displaced population of about 1.1 million
people who are very vulnerable and are regularly being abused by many different actors, including by government forces themselves.
ANDERSON: So you're saying these 600,000 people would be better off in this refugee camp, are you?
BADER: Of course.
I mean, there is a reason they are there. They need protection and Dadaab, despite the difficult context in which they're living in, is very
much a better option for many of them right now.
And I mean, I was just in Dadaab two weeks ago. And to be honest, you know, we are also meeting with people who have been back to Somalia, and
the insecurity they have faced in Somalia has forced them to move once again out of Somalia.
So, we're really talking about, you know, if Kenya were to go ahead with closing of these camps, they would be in stark violation of their
responsibilities and responsibilities, which thgey've signed up to.
ANDERSON: With that, we're going to leave it there. The views of Human Rights Wach today. Thank you.
Well, the Philippines presidential election is about six hours away. And candidates have been drumming up last-minute support.
Davao mayor and front-runner Rodrigo Duterte held a rally on Saturday, drawing a crowd of 300,000 people, far more than his rivals. His
supporters say they strongly believe in his tough stance on fighting crime.
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[11:35:26] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe in his program, especially in the peace and order, because we have to start with that. I'm a, quote,
unquote, economist, supposed to be, but we cannot go into these other things without having a stable peace and order environment.
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ANDERSON: Well, rival candidate Grace Poe took a swipe at Duterte saying the country should not be ruled, quote, in fear.
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GRACE POE, PHILIPPINES PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (through translator): Let us pray to the lord that in the next six years let us not be ruled in
fear, but with prosperity for each person. A leader who will focus on your needs, who will listen to you, who will understand you, and who will feel
what you feel so that they can give what needs to be given.
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ANDERSON: Well, the two are among five contenders for the presidency. And voting gets underway in just a few hours time. Stick with CNN for the
results, of course.
Well, every political office holder in Australia will have to run for re-election on July 2nd. The Australian prime minister Malcom Turnbull
announced the double disillusion election on Sunday. Now, both houses of parliament will be dissolved until after the outcome of the election.
He is seeking a mandate for his political coalition.
Well, sticking with politics and to the U.S. presidential race now, as voters are sizing up a
general election between Republican candidate Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton likely.
Jake Tapper examines how they could try to outdo each other if they become their party's official nominees.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): So here are the cards the nation has dealt itself, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. A new CNN/ORC
poll shows these two would be the least popular nominees in modern history. So in a matchup between the nation's first female nominee and perhaps the
most unpredictable candidate ever, the deck would be stacked with wild cards as well.
DONALD TRUMP, 2016 REPUBLCIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I haven't even started on her yet.
TAPPER: Wild card number one, Donald Trump has given fair warning that his attacks on Clinton will only intensify.
TRUMP: Crooked Hillary and wonderful Donald.
TAPPER: After all, she's now his biggest competition. CNN's newest poll shows Trump lagging behind 41 percent to Clinton's 54 percent in a
TRUMP: She is the worst secretary of state in the history of this country.
TAPPER: But will the kinds of attacks that have worked so effectively for Trump in the Republican primaries...
TRUMP: The only thing she's got going is the woman's card.
TAPPER: ... work in a general election?
TRUMP: She called me sexist and I hit her with the husband.
TAPPER: When Hillary Clinton called him sexist a few months ago, Donald Trump doubled down, calling out Bill Clinton's infidelity, and
Hillary did not put up much of a fight. What will her strategy be now?
HILLARY CLINTON, 2016 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not going to deal with their temper tantrums or their bullying or their efforts to
try to provoke me. He can say whatever he wants to say about me. I could really care less.
TAPPER: Wild card number two, Trump says he will redraw the electoral map by appealing to working-class voters. Trump will likely try to outflank
Clinton on the left on trade.
Can industrial states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin turn the election? Romney lost those states in 2012, and so went
Wild card number three, Trump has made many comments that folks have found offensive, but the remarks that have offended women and Latinos might
be the most consequential electorally. Just to focus on Latinos, the question is, will this gin up minority turnout in swing states such as
Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, and Florida?
TRUMP: We're going to build a wall.
TAPPER: And then there's wild card number four, the Justice Department.
CLINTON: I never sent or received any material marked classified.
TAPPER: What will the FBI investigation into Clinton's e-mail server turn up? A former State Department staffer has been given immunity and is
cooperating, and Clinton will soon be interviewed by the FBI. It's a question terrifying many Democrats.
Jake Tapper, CNN, Washington.
ANDERSON: Well, let's get you to our political commentator tonight, Marc Lamont Hill. He's a professor at Morehouse College. He joins us via
Skype from Philadelphia. Thank you, sir.
Let's kick off with, VPs, shall we?
If Donald Trump grabs the nomination, the next question is obvious, who would Trump pick as
running mate? Sarah Palin, who was once tapped for just that position, has crisscrossed the country for
Trump. She tells our Jake Tapper today she wouldn't snub the job, but she doesn't want to hurt Trump's chances.
Have a listen to what she said earlier.
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SARAH PALIN, FRM. GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: I think I'm pretty much as vetted as anybody in the country could be vetted already.
So, I think there are so many other great people out there in America who can serve in this position. I think if someone wanted to choose me,
they already know who I am, what I stand for. They wouldn't be in for any surprises.
TAPPER: So, if he wanted to talk to you about the gig, your phone is right there?
PALIN: Well, I want to help and not hurt. And I am such a realist that I realize there are a whole lot of people out there who would say
anybody but Palin. I wouldn't want to be a burden on the ticket. And I recognize that in many, many eyes, I would be that burden. So, you know, I
just -- i just want the guy to win.
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ANDERSON: Palin also tells Jake Tapper she would work to oust a Republican who isn't throwing his weight behind Trump. That's Paul Ryan.
So sir, for the viewers' sake, who is in? Who is either out or wouldn't take the job even if offered? And will anybody offer the rest of
the world a ticket that might include some foreign policy?
MARC LAMONT HILL, MOREHOUSE COLLEGE: So, first, Donald Trump has to think about who can help him win states and Donald Trump has to think about
who will help him govern once he wins the presidency, because from Trump's position, of course, he thinks he is going to win.
He probably -- and according to his own remarks, he probably will lean toward someone who has significant experience working the congress. That
means he will either get a former representative or more likely a former senator or a current representative or senator.
That doesn't, however, mean that he could not also lean toward a governor who has prior congressional experience. But ultimately he needs
someone who has the ability to navigate the legislative process, because that's something that Donald Trump has no experience doing.
Donald Trump's argument will be I have the business experience. I have executive experience in the corporate sector, therefore I don't need
that. I need someone who can help me work the room.
The problem is there are many people who would be wonderful contenders, but many of those people will not join Trump's ticket either
because they have ideological disagreements with him, or because they believe that this will be such a debacle that it will tarnish their name
for the next presidential cycle.
ANDERSON: You're talking about a Washington insider, that's what you're suggesting he needs. But he has run on a ticket to date that says I
don't want to have anything to do with Washington.
You still think, to a certain extent if he were to be chosen by the party and he is still the presumptive candidate at this point until they
get to the convention, but if he were to be picked, that he would bend to the will, as it were -- perhaps not the will of the party, but the will of, I don't know, history as it were, and go for somebody who
really understands how to work this system that he says he abhors?
HILL: Right. So, he would say I'm the leader. I'm the outsider. I'm providing direction, but I
need staff who has experience.
Donald Trump has never argued that he would never have people in his administration who have Washington experience. He's saying that he's the
But that said, there are many people who have won very interesting campaigns on both sides of the aisle who have suggested that despite the
fact that they worked in Washington they're still outsiders.
There are also people relatively new to the process, obviously, someone like Ted Cruz would be somebody who would identify as working in
Washington, being in it but not of it. Of course, that would never happen, a Cruz/Trump ticket. But that's the kind of person he could look to.
Rand Paul is someone who has tremendous Tea Party experience, tremendous Tea Party connections, but is relatively an outsider to the
congressional Washington experience. He's also someone you could consider.
I think there are a range of people who could do this, but again I think he goes to someone who has experience. I think a John Kasich could
be very interesting to Donald Trump, because John Kasich has experience in the congress. He has also been a governor, so he has gubernatorial
experience, leadership experience. He's worked in Washington. He's worked outside of Washington. He is very, very popular among conservatives. He
is seen as reasonable and statesmanly. And he's one of the few people on that ticket who have never gone to with war against Donald Trump.
Chris Christie also being another one.
So, those are two people who you could see being interesting choices. I think Kasich would be a better choice than Christie, though, simply
because of his temperament and simply because of the contrast and because is also an Ohioan. Ohio is a state that you have to win to be president.
ANDERSON: Listen, if Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump go head-to-head in the fall, things are looking good for the former secretary of state.
Very briefly, let me get our viewers the latest poll. This CNN/ORC poll shows Clinton leads by double digits and respondents say they trust Clinton
more to handle a wide slate of issues with one exception -- they say Trump would do better growing the U.S. economy.
Clinton's 13-point lead in the polls is the largest she has held over Trump since last July.
If it were to be Hillary Clinton, let's just talk about who you believe she might run with very briefly.
HILL: I think Hillary Clinton will likely choose someone who injects youth on to the ticket. The Castro brothers are people who people have
looked to for that. I think Hillary Clinton has had a tremendous struggle engaging certain populations. So, you could see, again, the Castro
brothers being an option for pulling in Latino voters.
While Hillary Clinton does much better than Donald Trump with African- American voters, she certainly doesn't do as well as President Obama. Putting an African-
American on the ticket with tremendous experience would also be an interesting choice. So you have Deval Patrick out of Massachusetts who is
an Obama friend, you also have Cory Booker, the young senator out of New Jersey, who would be an incredibly interesting choice, a contrast racially,
contrast ethnically. He's in the Senate, but he's relatively young, but he would feel like an Obama-heir apparent, and maybe someone who African-
American audiences, African-American voters would feel better with.
I think you'll see something like that. And again, the other thing you have to think about is who can help her win a state -- Florida, Ohio,
these are states that are hotly contested and necessary to win the presidency, and that may be another place that she leans when she looks
for a choice.
ANDERSON: Fascinating, sir.
Thank you on a Sunday (inaudible) for you today on what is a fascinating campaign. And say hello to your mom on Mother's Day.
HILL: Absolutely. Happy Mother's Day.
Still to come tonight , framing the Mafia may sound impossible, but one woman has made doing just that her life's work. We'll explain up next.
And an American thoroughbred named for a Swedish hockey player sails to victory at the Kentucky Derby. Highlights from the fastest two minutes
in sports just ahead.
ANDERSON: When many of us think of the Mafia, we oftentimes think of sort of glammed up characters from movies and TV shows, don't we, but the
real stories are very different. They are very cruel.
The Italian photographer Letizia Battaglia, now in her 80s, has spent decades documenting those crimes in Sicily.
CNN contributor Barbie Nadeau went to speak to her about her crusade against Cosa Nostra. And first a warning, this report does contain graphic
BARBIE NADEAU, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Few people have seen as many murders as Italy's celebrated Mafia photographer Letizia Battaglia. Now, in her
80s, she's sharing her morbid photo collection of corpses in a book and at an exhibition in the Sicilian capital of Palermo.
[11:50:05] LETIZIA BATTAGLIA, PHOTOGRAPHER: My archive is full of people, death. I remember when the telephone called -- run, run, there is
something in the street. And we go out with the Vespa. We didn't know why we were running. We know that something, something was happening.
NADEAU: Battaglia's pictures chronicle one of the bloodiest periods in Italy's battle with organized crime between in 1974 when she began her
career as a photojournalist and today, hundreds of judges, police officers, and ordinary people were killed at the hands of the Sicilian Mafia known as
the Cosa Nostra.
Battaglia, armed with her camera, was on the front line.
BATTAGLIA: I was not in a country where there was war. It was not war. It was -- a town in Europe. This was not only blood Mafia, you
understand, is corruption. It's to control all.
This is in Sicily.
NADEAU: Your photos, were they a weapon in the war?
BATTAGLIA: I think some very little part. I did my part. I think I did my part. A little part.
This is my job, my work, to denounce corruption, Mafia and to exalt beauty.
NADEAU: Were you ever afraid?
BATTAGLIA: Sometimes. When they call me and they write -- wrote letter against me to say that if you don't go away from Palermo, you will
be killed. I had some. But fear is not important like democracy or beauty.
NADEAU: Not all the more than 600,000 photos in her archiver of death. She's also captured the beauty and spirit of Sicilian life.
Barbie Latza Nadeau in Rome.
ANDERSON: Live from Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World. Coming up, the first jewel in the Triple Crown has been claimed. Highlights from the
142nd running of the Kentucky Derby up next.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: and they come to the final furlong, Exaggerator is closing in. Nyquist attacks but a 16th to go. Gunrunner, Exaggerator o
the outside. Nyquist and Exaggerator. They're coming to the line together. And Nyquist is still unbeaten! He has won the Kentucky Derby!
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ANDERSON: That is the fastest two minutes in sport. And first jewel in what is known as
the Triple Crown, the 142nd running of the Kentucky Derby is now in the books and our Coy Wire brings
you the highlights.
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COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS: Over 167,000 spectators here at Churchill Downs witnessed the
142nd running of the Kentucky Derby. This was the second largest attendance in Derby history. Nyquist, the undefeated equine entered this
race as a heavy 2-1 favorite. And he showed why. Nyquist head of the pack with Exaggerator, making a valiant surge.
Nyquist, too fast, too strong, securing his lead in capturing the run for the roses. Final time, 2 minutes 1.31 seconds, Exaggerator comes in
second. Coming in third was Gunrunner.
Now, with this iconic win, Nyquist has proven he is a force to be reckoned with, a perfect eight for eight in his lifetime of raves. Owner
J. Paul Ridon (ph) bought the horse for $400,000. But with this Derby win, Nyquist career earnings jumped to $4.56 million. So, Nyquist, proving to
be a pretty good investment.
High hopes for Nyquist now. Could he accomplish what American Pharoah did just last year when he became the first Triple Crown winner in 37
years? We'll know more in just a couple of weeks, May 21, when Nyquist will make a run for the second jewel in the Triple Crown at the Preakness.
Coy Wire, CNN, Louisville.
[11:56:17] ANDERSON: We begin our Parting Shots with a parting tune there as the world renowned tenor Andrea Bocelli serenaded Leicester City's
football fans in Italian before they capped off a season in which they won the English Premiere League.
Their Italian coach Claudio Ranieri lead the team to glory. Now quite literally their poster boy for success. And Leicester's supporters showed
that blue is the deepest color, as many of them who call one of England's most diverse cities home, poured out on to its streets to celebrate.
Not everyone, though, looked so pleased. Much like their team's strikers this season, some fans just couldn't miss the opportunity to dig
at their rivals.
That is come on, mate, at least a smile.
Well, then, of course, there's the prize itself. The only thing we enjoy more back home than lifting up a good cup of tea is lifting up the
In their final home game, the Foxes rounded out Everton 3-1.
What a season, one game left. Doesn't matter what happens, they are the champions.
I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World. Back with your headlines this Sunday after this short break.