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Trump Attacks Bill Clinton's Infidelities; Canadian Wildfire Expected to Cover 772 Sq. Miles By Midnight; "El Chapo" Guzman Sent to Prison Near U.S.; Sarah Palin: Speaker Ryan Should Lose His Seat; Nyquist Wins the Kentucky Derby; North Korea: We'll Use Nuclear Weapons If Threatened. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired May 8, 2016 - 07:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- Hillary Clinton treated them after everything went down.

[07:00:05] MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We live in tumultuous times, demagogues on the right and the left draw upon our darker angels, scapegoating immigrants, and Muslims, or bankers and business people.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: That's why our democracy gives us a process, designed for us to settle our disputes with argument and ideas and votes, instead of violence.

REPORTER: Even if it does rain, this fire is going to go on for some time, perhaps several weeks.

REPORTER: Final furlong, Nyquist, ahead of the pack with Exaggerator making a valiant surge, but he falls short. Nyquist, too fast, too strong, securing his lead in capturing the run for the roses.

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ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: We have a packed show for you today.

Good morning. Happy Mother's Day. I'm Ana Cabrera, in for Christi.

BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good Sunday to you. Thanks for being with us.

All right. So, also this hour, quickly, take a look at the screen if you're not paying attention, just walk in, look at this -- incredible video, this is in Colorado, a tornado outbreak here. This is remarkable. We'll tell you about exactly the damage this caused, several injuries overnight. We'll get you the latest in just a moment.

CABRERA: Plus, Sarah Palin making headlines again, blasting House Speaker Paul Ryan, saying he should lose his seat for not supporting Donald Trump.

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SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: I think Paul Ryan is soon to be Cantored, as in Eric Cantor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CABRERA: Jake Tapper joins us live with his exclusive interview with Palin.

BLACKWELL: And this weekend, Donald Trump is sharpening his attacks on Hillary Clinton and turning his sights on Bill Clinton. The presumptive Republican nominee, unloading on the Clintons during a rally in Washington state. Trump painted Hillary Clinton as a, this is a quote, "nasty and mean enabler" of her husband's affairs, saying the Clintons are not in a position to question his treatment of women.

CABRERA: Now, Trump also attacked the Clintons over the former president's impeachment, but what he said doesn't exactly lineup about what he thought about it a few years ago. We pulled this out. Here's what Trump said yesterday on the topic and what he told Wolf Blitzer in 2008 right here on CNN.

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TRUMP: She is married to a man who got impeached for lying. He was impeached, and he had to go through a whole big process, and it wasn't easy. He was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman.

I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant, and they tried to impeach him which was nonsense, and yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true.

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CABRERA: Let's talk about this. CNN political commentators Jeffrey Lord and Hilary Rosen. Jeffrey, a Donald Trump supporter, and Hillary is a Clinton supporter.

Jeffrey, let's start with you. When you listen to those two pieces from Donald Trump from those two clips, it sounds like a change in tune, in 2008, he is calling Bill Clinton's indiscretions unimportant. He's essentially defending him.

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I really don't think there is any difference in what he is saying at all?

CABRERA: What?

LORD: Yes, what he is saying in 2008 that he was impeached, it was important, comparing it to the Iraq war. What he is saying here is that he was impeached and Hillary Clinton was an enabler. I mean, that's a different thing entirely. It's about Hillary Clinton, not about Bill Clinton.

CABRERA: But he was focused on Bill Clinton and was really targeting that issue in his comments there at that rally, right?

LORD: Right, but in the context of Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is the candidate here. Not Bill Clinton.

CAMEROTA: Hillary, what's your response to these attacks?

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I think Jeffrey is right. Hillary Clinton is the candidate. And I think the people are going to look at her record on support for women, for pay equity, for, you know, health care for children and families, for a long record of support for reproductive rights, those are the issues that she's accusing Donald Trump for women, and I think that, you know, Trump can talk about Hillary Clinton's marriage all he wants. He's on his third marriage.

I just don't think the American people are going to take that bait. They're tired of that issue.

And I think that Hillary Clinton is going to stay above the argument. She is not going to go tit for tat on insults with Trump on that, and the American people don't really want her to.

[07:05:03] CABRERA: Jeffrey, we just heard --

LORD: The problem is --

CABRERA: We put up the poll that shows that his unfavorables among women, 64 percent, view him unfavorably, just 32 percent, favorable. So, clearly, he has ground to make up here. Hillary Clinton, of course, is a woman.

Do you think he needs to be more careful in his treatment of her compared to his other opponents?

LORD: Well, think there is a lot of double standard here. I mean, first of all, I mean, you just mentioned Sarah Palin. When Sarah Palin burst on to the scene, my liberal friends and I've gone back and checked on this, called her among other things, an idiot, a moron, a joke. They were incredibly sexist towards Sarah Palin and none of them cared. I mean, they just pursued the line all the way through.

So I really do think there is a double standard about this. And let's just remember that it is Hillary Clinton that brought this whole thing up by going after Donald Trump for being, quote-unquote, "a sexist". If you're going to go down the road, you're going to get hit back. There's no question.

CABRERA: Well, some say what he is bringing up now is trying to fend up some preemptive attacks about him and not being able to connect with women voters because we all know women voters make up the majority of the voting bloc.

LORD: But not all --

ROSEN: What he's trying to do -- you know, what he is trying to do is a political tactic is to essentially scare her into not talking about his positions about women, to not -- to encourage her not to talk about his treatment of women, where he has gone on, you know, Howard Stern in the past and bragged about, you know, women are good for one thing, you know, big breasts and having babies.

So, you know, she's not going to take that bait. She is going to talk about the issues. She is going to call him out.

CABRERA: So let's talk about the issues, Hilary.

ROSEN: Her surrogates will call him out on his past behavior, but he won't be able to run away from it.

CABRERA: I want to ask about one of the issues that Donald Trump brought up, and that had to do with foreign policy. And he went after Clinton on her foreign policy, saying essentially she has poor judgment. She does have a lengthy record to look at.

Do you worry that Trump can use her experience against her?

ROSEN: You know, that's the debate we should be having. And that's a debate that Hillary Clinton is well-prepared for. I'm not so sure Donald Trump is prepared to go toe to toe on foreign policy.

But keeping those -- the campaign on the issues will be Hillary Clinton's sweet spot. She can defend a significant and successful record as secretary of state, as senator from New York, as somebody who has been at the table making thoughtful and tough decisions, something that Trump hasn't ever done. And so, you know, to the extent debate, she is more than ready for it.

CABRERA: Jeffrey, the last ten seconds.

LORD: Yes, I think when we get to that section of the debate, it will be about her judgment, in Libya, in Benghazi, with the e-mails, the Russian reset. I mean, there's a whole string of things here that she can have experience. The question is, does she have the judgment and that will be an issue.

CABRERA: All right, Jeffrey Lord, Hilary Rosen, we'll leave it there. Thanks so much.

ROSEN: Take care, Ana.

LORD: Thanks.

BLACKWELL: But until we get to the issues portion of this season, we're still in the name-calling part of the show. Senator Elizabeth Warren is now fighting fire with fire, matching Donald Trump tweet for tweet.

Look at her Twitter feed. This is a string of tweets that goes back to Tuesday, that are targeting Donald Trump. Hitting back after he called her a basket case, a goofus, a blend of goofy and doofus. But he's also questioned her Native American heritage.

CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter joins us now.

First time I ever heard goofus. Let me put that on the table.

But, Brian, is this the new blueprint for Democrats who want to take on Trump?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Elizabeth Warren is pointing forward for the Democrats for sure. It's really interesting to see how she has met Trump where he is, on Twitter and Facebook, and responded to his bullying with her own insults, her own name-calling. In many cases, using his own words against him.

Like you mentioned, this started on Tuesday, right after Ted Cruz dropped out of the race. Warren pointing her fire at Trump with a series of tweets, one of them even referring to the KKK and Trump's previous squishiness when it came to disavowing David Duke. So, she got a series of these comments. Here is one of them from Tuesday night.

This was viewed on Facebook 45 million times, according to her aides, this Facebook post. It also was on Twitter. On Friday night, Trump fired back, complaining about Warren, saying, "I hope corrupt Hillary Clinton chooses goofy Elizabeth Warren as her running mate. I will defeat them both."

And within an hour and a half, this is when Warren responded again and again to Trump, saying things like, "Goofy Donald, for the guy with the best words, that's a pretty lame nickname, weak." So, Warren using words like weak and lame that Trump often applies to people, using those words against him.

[07:10:03] I think what's happening here, Victor, is we're seeing Elizabeth Warren trying to present unity for the Democratic Party. She is beloved by liberals. She has not endorsed Clinton or Bernie Sanders, and what she is trying to do by aiming at Trump like no another Democrat has is to say to Clinton and Sanders supporters, we have to unite because we know what we have to do in the fall and that's to beat Donald Trump.

BLACKWELL: But we've seen this backfire from Marco Rubio, he went after him in the primary and it didn't work well. We'll see if this works, if they keep it on Twitter and not in front of cameras.

Brian Stelter, thank you so much.

STELTER: Thanks.

BLACKWELL: And catch Brian on "RELIABLE SOURCES" at 11:00 a.m. Eastern, right here on CNN.

CABRERA: Also ahead here on CNN, former Republican vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, talks exclusively with us this morning. Details on why she thinks Paul Ryan should lose his post as speaker of the House.

Plus --

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BLACKWELL: Just incredible video and details on the damage and injuries from last night's severe weather outbreak. This tornado, we've got more on this, coming up in just a moment.

CABRERA: From Colorado, to Canada now, a raging inferno engulfing 772 square miles and growing. A live report, next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's smoky, still flames, there were spots you couldn't see the edge of your truck. It's a mess. It's a mess. That's the only way to say it.

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CABRERA: A massive wildfire, scorching the earth in Canada, only expected to grow larger, and still, no signs of slowing down.

Last check, this fire in Fort McMurray was 602 square miles, but the flames are now expected to scourge about 772 square miles by midnight tonight, Mountain Time. That gives you a sense of how quickly the flames are spreading.

[07:15:00] To give you some more perspective here, this is about half the entire state of Rhode Island.

BLACKWELL: Look at what's left. Everything here is charred, the homes destroyed, the cars burned out, even the playgrounds here are seared.

But there is a little bit of hope that could help the firefighters gain control here.

Paul Vercammen joins us live in Edmonton.

And, Paul, the wildfire is expected to burn on for months, but there's a cold front on the way and it could give the area a break, a much needed break from the dry and windy conditions, right?

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You are so right, Victor and Ana.

They are just hoping that this cold front will dump some rain on the fire. There is a fear, however, that that front could skip just to the north of it, the fire now burning in forests and moving to the east. The focus of the worst of all the multiple fires in Alberta was, of course, Fort McMurray. That's the oil sands industry center, and the premiere of Alberta, gave us a sense for what's going on right now with them trying to get everything cleaned up and fixed up in Fort McMurray.

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RACHEL NOTLEY, PREMIER OF ATLANTA: Firefighters in the city kept working to save downtown and as much of the residential neighborhoods as possible. We held the line for a second day. There will be an enormous amount of work to do to make the city safe and habitable. The gas has been turned off, the power grade has been damaged and large portions of the city don't have power right now. The water is not currently drinkable.

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VERCAMMEN: And many of those evacuees from Fort McMurray wound up here in Edmonton at this expo center. I talked with one little girl, just heartbreaking. She said she worried about her house and she's worried about her school, and she politely smiled and said she wanted to thank everybody here who was helping her.

She is fast asleep with about 2,000 other people in that center, behind me -- Ana and Victor.

BLACKWELL: More than the flames, this is about those families who are trying to find safety in this event.

Paul Vercammen there in Edmonton, thank you so much.

CABRERA: Several injured, numerous homes and businesses destroyed. Look at your screen. This is a giant tornado in Colorado. We'll have details about what happened, next.

BLACKWELL: Plus, notorious drink king pin, El Chapo Guzman has been transferred to a prison along the U.S. border. So, the question is, could this mean the cartel boss is a step closer now to being extradited to the U.S.?

CABRERA: And former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin talks to Jake Tapper about the controversial 2016 race. This is a CNN exclusive interview, just ahead in the next half hour.

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[07:21:15] CABRERA: Look at that picture, listen to that wind. Five people were injured, roads closed, dozens of power polls yanked down by powerful tornados in Colorado.

One of the twisters was a half mile wide. It left a trail of damage six miles long. And you look at the image here. It's amazing more people weren't injured.

Fortunately, because this was eastern Colorado, it is very rural there. Not a lot of homes. But authorities are still trying to survey some of the aftermath. They do know several homes and at least one business were damaged.

BLACKWELL: Hey, if you bought a Powerball ticket for Saturday's drawing, go and get it, especially if you live in New Jersey, because someone there bought the winning ticket. The big jackpot here, here are the numbers -- 5, 25, 26, 44, 66, the Powerball there is 9. The jackpot, $429.6 million. More than three million other tickets claim smaller prizes, some just a few bucks, others up to a million dollars.

CABRERA: Can you imagine being the winner this morning?

BLACKWELL: Yes.

CABRERA: You can imagine. We can dream.

Also this morning, Mexican drug kingpin, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, is waking up in a Ciudad Juarez prison. This is right across the U.S.- Mexico border now near El Paso, Texas. Officials say he was moved from the maximum security Altiplano lockup where he escaped last year, you'll recall, as that prison is now going to be renovated.

Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the U.S. Marshals Office, Art Roderick.

Art, good to see you again. Thank you for staying with us.

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Good morning, Ana.

CABRERA: Do you see this transfer now as a sign Guzman might be extradited to the U.S. soon?

RODERICK: I think it's going to happen, but I'm still hearing it's probably going to happen sometime this summer. Just because he is close to the U.S. border -- I mean, for security purposes, I can't see an exchange happening at the border, and then him coming into El Paso, because that would mean he would have to have an initial appearance in El Paso, which means he could be there for a period of time. And I think for security purposes, they don't want to do that.

Generally, extraditions, a U.S. Marshal would move that individual from the foreign country directly to the district where he is wanted, which in this case, has been determined to be Brooklyn, New York, out of the seven or eight districts that want him here in the United States.

CABRERA: Just last month, Guzman was apparently saying he wanted to be extradited. His lawyer saying he thought he would be treated better in the U.S. prison system.

Your response?

RODERICK: Yes, I think that's probably true, considering he is being right now under the care and custody of the Mexican marines, who are probably the most non-corruptible agency down there in Mexico. They're very good unit, very well-organized. And they are moving him from cell to cell every four or five days. So he has -- he is under some pretty heavy duty security conditions. And I think he probably believes when he comes to the U.S., he will have some better conditions.

But the reality is, once he is tried and convicted here in the U.S., because of his escape history, he more than likely will be transferred to Florence, in Colorado, the U.S. penitentiary there, which means he'll be locked down for 23 hours a day and have one hour of exercise by himself. So, he is not coming to any place better here in the U.S.

CABRERA: Do you think what happens to Guzman ultimately might send a message to the drug cartel world, assuming he ends up behind bars in the U.S., this is going to have an impact on the drug war? RODERICK: Yes, it very well could be, but if he is, you know, tried

and convicted in eastern New York, and it's a pretty heavy duty indictment in eastern New York, continuing criminal enterprise, if he gets convicted of that, he will get life.

[07:25:13] And if he is in Florence, Colorado, the penitentiary there, he's not going to be able to get really any messages out of that facility.

CABRERA: All right. Art Roderick, thanks for your expertise.

RODERICK: Thank you, Ana. Good morning.

CABRERA: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: Up next on NEW DAY, Jake Tapper will join us with his -- part of his exclusive interview with Sarah Palin.

Jake, good morning.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Victor.

She had a lot to say about Paul Ryan, and how she thinks he should be defeated in his Republican primary in August. Also, much to say about John McCain and Donald Trump, all coming up next.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very stressful. You don't know what's burned and what's not burned, when can you go back?

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BLACKWELL: A massive wildfire forcing thousands of people to leave Fort McMurray in Canada, and flames expected to scorch even more area here. At last check, the fire spread across 602 square miles, but it's expected to scourge about 772 square miles by midnight, Mountain Time.

Let's give you some perspective. That's about half the size of the entire state of Rhode Island. But firefighters may get help from a cold front expected to move into the area today. The front would give the area a break from the dry and the windy conditions that have been raising the relative humidity.

[07:30:00] The cold front is going to do that.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: North Korea could be planning another underground nuclear test. This news comes as North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has been addressing a rare party congress. He said the country would not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is threatened.

(MUSIC) BLACKWELL: Bottom of the hour now. House Speaker Paul Ryan says he is not ready to support Donald Trump as the Republican nominee just yet. Well, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is not happy that Ryan is taking time to think it over.

CNN chief Washington correspondent and host of "STATE OF THE UNION", Jake Tapper, got the exclusive interview with former Governor Palin.

Jake, good morning to you. What is she saying?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you.

As you know, Paul Ryan set the political world in a tailspin when he told me on Thursday that as of right now, he cannot support the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump. So we talked to Sarah Palin, one of the first endorsers, one of first big names to come out behind Donald Trump, vice-presidential nominee in 2008, and we asked her what she thought of it all.

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TAPPER: So, Governor, as you know, Speaker Ryan told me on Thursday that he is not ready to support Donald Trump. Now, one of Trump's spokespeople told CNN that if Ryan does not back Trump, he should not be speaker of the House. What do you think?

SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: I think Paul Ryan is soon to be Cantored, as in Eric Cantor. His political career is over but for a miracle, because he has so disrespected the will of the people. And yes, as the leader of GOP, the convention certainly, he is to remain neutral, and for him to already come out and say who he will not support was not a wise decision of his.

You know, I think why Paul Ryan is doing this, Jake, is it kind of screws his chances for the 2020 presidential bid that he's gunning for. If the GOP were to win now, that wouldn't bode well for his chances in 2020. And that's what he's shooting for. So, a lot of people with their never Trump or not right now Trump mantra going on, they have their different reasons. I think that one is Paul Ryan's reason.

TAPPER: More specifically, when you talk about him being Eric Cantored, Eric Cantor was the House majority leader who was challenged in the primary by a conservative candidate who got a lot of grassroots support and that was a big surprise. Paul Ryan is facing a challenge in the Republican primary in Wisconsin, the primary coming up. It's August 9th. The candidate I believe is Paul Nehlen.

Are you planning to support his challenger?

PALIN: Well, that's a good question. Seeing as I haven't gotten to call him and tell him I'm supporting him, but yes, I will do whatever I can for Paul Nehlen.

(END VIDEO CLIP) TAPPER: So some pretty big news later on in the interview, Victor. I

did obviously push back and tell Sarah Palin that the reason Speaker Ryan says he can't support Donald Trump right now is because of things Trump has said in terms of his tone and tenor and some of the proposals he's made, but Governor Palin said she doesn't buy that. She thinks it's just because Paul Ryan and other Republican power brokers in Washington feel threatened.

BLACKWELL: All right. So Sarah Palin said she will endorse Paul Ryan's primary challenger. She was the congressional king-maker in 2010. What's the potency of Palin endorsement this cycle?

TAPPER: Well, Donald Trump did not do well in the Wisconsin primary in Paul Ryan's district. Donald Trump did not fare all that well, to the potency is questionable right now. And Palin has had some really good victories when it comes to endorsements. She's had some that didn't go so well also.

So, I don't think the Ryan people feel particularly threatened by this, but at the same time, they know in a year like this, anything could happen and they're not taking anything for granted.

BLACKWELL: All right. Jake Tapper, looking forward to the interview.

TAPPER: Thank you so much, Victor.

BLACKWELL: All right. Thank you.

Watch "STATE OF THE UNION WITH JAKE TAPPER" union coming up at 9:00 this morning. John McCain and Sarah Palin, they were once running mates, but will Trump pull them and the Republican Party apart? Here from both on "STATE OF THE UNION WITH JAKE TAPPER" this morning at 9:00 a.m. Eastern, right here on CNN.

CABRERA: Don't go away. Up next, Kentucky Derby winner, he's won every race he has ever run. Is Nyquist now on its way to becoming the next Triple Crown winner?

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[07:38:13] CABRERA: Welcome back.

Kentucky Derby favorite, Nyquist, lived up to the hype.

BLACKWELL: He did it, but can he keep doing it for two more races?

Andy Scholes has more on this morning's bleacher report. He's got two more.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Sure does, guys, if he wants to get that Triple Crown. We just saw one last year. I don't know how special one this year.

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SCHOLES: I'm a big American Pharoah fan. I kind of want him to have a run for a little bit of time, but, you know, Nyquist is running eight races so far, guys, won every single one. None more impressive than yesterday's big win at the Kentucky Derby. Nyquist broke out of that 13th gate.

Cleanly, jockey Mario Gutierrez had to ease Nyquist back some, keep him from going too fast too soon, down the stretch, and down the stretch, Nyquist showing off that impressive speed. He held off a late charge by Exaggerator. Nyquist now the fourth consecutive favorite to win the Kentucky Derby.

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MARIO GUTIERREZ, NYQUIST JOCKEY: I get the confidence from Nyquist. I was able to work him since he go to the track. So, I know him a lot. I trust him. And then I believe he trusts me as well.

DOUG O'NEILL, NYQUIST TRAINER: He is a remarkable athlete that if you work him by himself, he'll even switch his tail a little bit like, what do you want? What do you want from me? And if you put in company and he's just a Ferrari.

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SCHOLES: Next up for Nyquist is the Preakness Stakes on May 21st, of course, the second leg of the Triple Crown. It's actually shortest track of the three Triple Crown races.

You know, traditionally, a big favorite like Nyquist will end up winning the Preakness, but it's always the Belmont Stakes, the third race.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

CABRERA: It's longer, right?

SCHOLES: It's always controversial. It's the longest of the three and a lot of times, many of these horses that were in the Kentucky Derby won't run the Preakness, but then run the Belmont Stakes fresh and rested, and now it's a big deal. California Chrome.

BLACKWELL: And many people say they shouldn't be allowed to do that.

SCHOLES: California Chrome's owner, remember, he won the epic rant, the coward's way out, and American Pharoah put it to bed last year, because he won the Triple Crown.

[07:40:05] You know, we'll watch and see what happens with Nyquist.

CABRERA: Interesting to see Exaggerator really coming on strong there at the end.

SCHOLES: He made a lot of people very happy if you had the exacta, because Nyquist was one and Exaggerator was two.

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BLACKWELL: All right. Andy Scholes, thanks so much.

SCHOLES: All right.

CABRERA: When we come back, some new evidence now that North Korea could be ready for yet another weapon -- to test out another nuclear weapon as the Workers Party congress winds down. Experts say there is a strong chance the reclusive country will carry out a nuclear test.

We're live in Pyongyang, North Korea, with a new satellite photos that support this theory.

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CABRERA: At this hour, North Korea continues to hold its Workers Party congress, and leader Kim Jong-un says his government will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached by an, I quote, "invasive, hostile forces."

Meanwhile, these are new satellite images that experts say indicate North Korea may be planning another nuclear test, perhaps to cap off this congress.

Let's bring in CNN's Will Ripley, live from Pyongyang, North Korea.

Will, what are you hearing on the ground? Is it sounding like this is just more saber-rattling or are they gearing up for another nuclear test?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, all the state media here in North Korea is talking about, Ana, is the 7th congress, which is underway right now.

[07:45:03] They broke into programming for a three-hour speech from Kim Jong-un.

However, he did mention the nuclear program during that speech, and if you combine the fact that leading up to this congress, there was the H-bomb test, the reported H-bomb test in January, the satellite launch in February, and then just last month, four attempted missile launches, if he was going to attempt another nuclear test at the end of the Congress after all of his new party leadership and the new promotion he is supposed to announce, because he is supposed to get more grandiose title than the one he has right now, it would make sense that North Korea would do at the end of the party congress, to get the maximum attention, while there's still international media here.

And 38 North, that U.S. think tank, has been looking at the satellite image, and they say the image does indicate possible preparations for a nuclear test at any time, and that does coincide also with what South Korea government believes as they've been looking at the satellite photos as well.

CABRERA: So, this is the first party Congress in 36 years. You mentioned he may come out of it, Kim Jong-un, with more authority. What does that essentially mean for the rest of us in terms of laymen's terms? Does it change his position?

RIPLEY: Well -- he -- he's already the supreme leader. He has pretty much absolute power in this country. But they're about to elect him to the highest possible post in the Workers Party of Korea, which means he has even more power in the sense that he has a bigger title than he already has. That combined with the fact that he has elected all new party leadership, a lot of his inner circle has been purged in recent years, people that did not agree with him, after he came to power in his early 30s, or in his late 20s at that point, people might not have thought he deserved to be supreme leader, he has gotten rid of all those people.

Now, the new party leadership basically clears the path for Kim Jong- un to do whatever he wants when it comes to the nuclear program.

CABRERA: Wow, Will Ripley, thank you for explaining it to all to us. We appreciate it. Good to see you.

Victor?

BLACKWELL: One person who has felt the iron fist of the North Korean regime is Kenneth Bae. Bae was held prisoner for two years. He details his accounts there in "Not Forgotten". This is a new book. He says he was tortured and told he would never be freed.

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KENNETH BAE, FORMER NORTH KOREAN PRISONER: One prosecutor assigned to my case for the last year of imprisonment, he came to me almost every week and said, no one remember you, you've been forgotten by people, your government. You are not going home any time soon. You'll be here for 15 years. You'll be 60 before you go home.

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BLACKWELL: And Kenneth Bae joins us live now.

Mr. Bae, good morning to you.

BAE: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: First, you were sentenced to 15 years hard labor. For people who have been following your story from the periphery, give us an idea of what the day to day in North Korean prison at that work camp, what it was like.

BAE: Day to day at the labor camp, started with 6:00 in the morning, and usually have breakfast around 7:00 and then my work started from 8:00 in the morning until 6:00 in the evening. And pretty much going out there, whatever they're requiring me to do, from sowing and farming, and -- sowing seed and farming, and any manual labor, digging hole and working with shoveling the coal. And just various different things, six days a week.

BLACKWELL: When you were told as you told Chris Cuomo earlier this week that you would never go home, no one would remember you, did you believe them when they said that?

BAE: Well, I did not believe it in a second. I was continued to trusting that I would go home soon. I have to trust day by day, just knowing that I will be, my help is coming soon. That was my belief, depending upon God and everyday.

BLACKWELL: Dennis Rodman, former basketball star, went on a rant here on CNN, and he mentioned you and your imprisonment for people who either have not seen it or do not remember it, we're going to play a bit of it and then on the other side, talk about why you have thanked Dennis Rodman. But, first, let's watch.

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DENNIS RODMAN, FORMER BASKETBALL PLAYER: Kenneth Bae did one thing. If you understand -- if you understand what Kenneth Bae did. Do you understand what he did? In this country?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: What did he do? You tell me.

You tell me. What did he do?

RODMAN: No, no, no, you tell me. You tell me. Why is he held captive?

CUOMO: They haven't released any charges.

RODMAN: (EXPLETIVE DELETED), I don't give a rat's ass what the hell you think! I'm saying to you, look at these guys. Look at them.

CUOMO: But, Dennis, don't put it on them. Don't use them as an excuse for the behavior that you're putting on yourself.

RODMAN: He came here.

CUOMO: You're basically saying Kenneth Bae did something wrong. You don't even know what the charges are.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[07:50:00] BLACKWELL: So, that was a fairly bizarre moment for everyone who was watching and involved.

But you say now that you have to thank Dennis Rodman, why?

BAE: Well, whether he was, he did it accidentally or not, but his rant increased the tension attention of the media and finally I was able to be released. So, he was part of the story that really brought a highlight, so I was able to come home.

BLACKWELL: And Dennis Rodman has been quite friendly with Kim Jong- un, has gone over there for his birthday, played basketball, some games there in Pyongyang. Do you want to or have you spoken with Dennis Rodman?

BAE: Well, I have not spoken with him yet. And -- but as I mentioned before, sure someday, if I get a chance to meet him, then I would like to thank him in person. But yes, I mean, he did tweet the remark after, my last remark on CNN, that is he appreciated, just grateful for my remark.

BLACKWELL: How often now, and I know that you are now promoting your new book "Not Forgotten", but how often outside of the book tour and promotion with your life now back in the U.S. are you reminded in the quiet moments alone of your experience over those two years in North Korea, how often do those feelings and those thoughts arise?

BAE: Well, it's come back to me almost every day and just I'm very grateful that I'm able to come home to be able to share what happened in North Korea, share my story, but I'm reminded that there are 24 million people in North Korea still living in darkness. I've been reminded every day for those people detained in North Korea against their will as well.

So I need to live life fully just to living as an expression that I have a freedom to share (AUDIO GAP) for the people around the world that the people in North Korea matter and that people who are detained in North Korea matter to all of us.

BLACKWELL: All right. Kenneth Bae, again, the book is "Not Forgotten" out this week. Thank you so much for being with us.

We'll be right back.

BAE: Thank you.

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[07:55:56] BLACKWELL: Coming up on the top of the hour now:

ISIS is claiming responsibility for ambushing and killing eight police officers in Egypt. This happened just south of Cairo. Authorities say the plane-clothed officers were in a government minivan during a security check when four gunmen in a truck unloaded on them.

This is new amateur video in to CNN and it shows the moments after the attack. People just standing by, trying to pull the policemen from that minivan. Security officers have set up checkpoints and are searching the area to catch those shooters.

CABRERA: Maryland authorities are now reviewing new details in the former federal officers' alleged killing spree. Three people died including his ex-wife. Police are now saying Eulalio Tordil shot and killed two people in separate carjacking attacks. The first one, they say he killed a Good Samaritan trying to help the woman driver. Authorities also say he tried to carjack another woman, murdering her.

The violent rampage started Thursday when investigators say Tordil first killed his estranged wife when she went to pick up their children from school.

Well, "Saturday Night Live" taking on the 2016 presidential election. They aren't pulling any punches. BLACKWELL: And they do it really, really well. Dana Carvey reprises

his role as the church lady calling out Ted Cruz, even going after Donald Trump's family. Watch this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please welcome, Satan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can actually just call me Ted Cruz.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I'm terribly sorry about that. I'm just quoting one of your colleagues, Ted. Don't get in a bunch. You know, John Boehner, speaker of the House.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: John's always coming up with hilarious nicknames for me like buster or son of a gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe the phrase was Lucifer in the flesh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do pray to God often and I think everything that happened was part of God's plan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is it, why is it God's plan for you to get humiliated by an orange mannequin? That's kind of an odd plan from God to have for you, isn't it?

I understand your family is here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh yes, that's right. Get in here, guys. This is my wife, Melania.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, so wonderful to be here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My lovely daughter Ivanka.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sort of great to be here as well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And who is the third woman down there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's just another model. I mean, she's great energy to have around.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sure.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's have fun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It likes all kinds of flesh, doesn't it?

Tell me, Donald, have you figured out who your vice president is going to be, somebody who shares your temperament and values, someone like I don't know could it be Satan?

Good Lord.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have returned!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Teddy's a demon. My God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am no longer Ted Cruz, I am mortal shadows.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you sure you aren't lord of the weak chins?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop it, Donald.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're the first guy who got possessed and looks better.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're such a jerk, Donald! I'm going back to hell. They're nicer there!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, that was an eventful church chat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLACKWELL: They're bringing back Dana Carvey. They have Darrell Hammond there. I mea, "SNL" does the election cycle so well. So well.

CABRERA: They're always fun to watch.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

CABRERA: Thank you for joining us here on your NEW DAY.

BLACKWELL: Of course, you got, at 9:00 a.m., you have John McCain and Sarah Palin with Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION." You do not want to miss that. Big news being made on that show.

And, right now, on "INSIDE POLITICS" with John King. That starts in just a few seconds. Thanks for being with us this weekend.

CABRERA: Happy Mother's Day.