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London's Mayor: Trump Views On Islam "Ignorant"; Voters Going To Polls In West Virginia And Nebraska; Russia Still Has Strong Military Presence In Syria; Festivities Close Rare North Korean Congress; Cameron: Afghanistan And Nigeria "Fantastically Corrupt"; Brazil's Road To Political Turmoil; Series of Deadly Tornadoes Strike Central U.S.; Interview with Husband of Aid Worker Detained in Iran; Examining Potential Trump-Clinton Contest; A Look at Brexit Argument. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:03] HANNA VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello there. I'm Hanna Vaughan Jones standing in for Hala Gorani live from CNN
London. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Republican Donald Trump's charm offensive isn't exactly winning any points with London's new mayor, Sadiq Khan. The U.S. presidential candidate says
he's happy the city has elected its first Muslim mayor.
Trump suggested Khan would be an exception for his plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States. He is hoping Khan will do a good
job as quote, "because I think if he does a great job, it will really -- you lead by example. Always lead by example."
Khan, for his part though, isn't buying it. London's new mayor says it is time for Trump to reconsider his views on Islam.
Phil Black joins me now from London's city hall with more on this developing spat. So Donald Trump's trying to backtrack quite significantly
here, but Sadiq Khan seemingly having none of it. Instead he says he'll pack in all of his America trips before the end of the year.
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This all came about, yes Sadiq Khan was talking about visiting the United States but made the point he may have to
do it before January when the next president would take office in the event that that next president could be Donald Trump who would do and live up to
his promise and ban Muslims from entering the country.
Now you're right, Donald Trump has said Sadiq Khan could be the exception. Sadiq Khan isn't interested in being Donald Trump's exception. He says
this isn't the question of whether or not the mayor of London can enter the United States.
The problem is that under Donald Trump's policy, no Muslim anywhere, including many of Sadiq's family, friends and everyone else around the
world who shares his faith wouldn't be able to enter the United States.
Sadiq Khan says the problem is the policy and he wants Donald Trump to rethink it. This was the London mayor speaking earlier today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: I think Donald Trump has ignorant views about Islam. It is not just about me. Donald Trump has said I'm the exception
to his rule. But if you're a Muslim from any part of the world you can't go to the USA.
My point is this -- there are many Muslims want to go to America to study Islam, want to be business and do business in America or want to be
students in America.
We showed last Thursday here in London that it is possible to be mainstream Muslim and to be western, at least compatible with western way of life. My
point to Donald Trump is, don't make an exception for me. Reconsider your views on Islam.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACK: Ignorant views on Islam and dangerous views, too, according to Sadiq Khan. He's only in office a few days now, but he's already in this
incredibly public international argument with Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee.
He's accusing that nominee of making both the United Kingdom and the U.S. less safe through this policy because he says it is alienating mainstream
Muslims and that plays into the narrative of extremists who say repeatedly the west hates people of their faith.
People behind Sadiq Khan, Sadiq Khan himself have long argued that by electing him to be the number one political figure in this big
international city, they are undercutting that extremist narrative.
They are proving once and for all that the west can't hate Muslims if they are electing one of them to be the leader of this city. So Sadiq Khan
believes that he, the people of London, together have disproven this theory that both mainstream Muslims and western liberal democratic values and so
forth aren't compatible -- Hannah.
[15:05:08]JONES: Phil, you are talking there about people getting behind Sadiq Khan, even the prime minister -- the British prime minister getting
behind him as well. Donald Trump is not exactly making friends this side of the Atlantic, is he?
BLACK: He's not, no. The British prime minister at the moment can't get too far behind Sadiq Khan because they're opposite political tribes, but he
said that he is proud to be part of a country that is so successful and ethnically diverse, racially diverse, religiously diverse.
But Donald Trump ever since he suggested this idea of banning Muslims from entering the United States has been pretty widely condemned in this
country. The British Prime Minister, David Cameron, late last year described the policy as divisive, stupid and wrong.
To be clear he is talking about the policy, not the man. But that's still incredibly critical language from a British prime minister talking about an
important -- really a central policy of a presumptive nominee to the U.S. presidential race.
We're going to see a lot more of this because it is very likely that once Donald Trump's nomination is confirmed, he will visit London. It is what
presidential nominees generally do at some stage during the race.
So David Cameron and Donald Trump will get the chance to talk about their differences on this point. But it doesn't seem likely that Sadiq Khan will
meet Donald Trump in the event that he does visit London -- Hannah.
JONES: A row that's sure to rumble on for many months to come at least. Phil Black, thanks very much indeed. We'll hear more indeed from the
London mayor, Sadiq Khan, himself. He will be joining Christiane Amanpour tomorrow. You can see that interview on Wednesday at 7:00 p.m. in London.
That's only here on CNN.
Let's turn our attention to the U.S. now. Two Republican primaries are under way in the United States. They could be a key test of where the
Republican voters are really ready to rally around Trump.
He is the only GOP candidate still in the race. But he's not the only name on the ballots in Nebraska and in West Virginia. Donald Trump's former
rivals are also listed and that means we could see some sort of protest vote going on.
The Democratic candidates are competing only in West Virginia today. Bernie Sanders is hoping for another win to keep his momentum alive and it
appears he may well pull it off. Hillary Clinton angered coal miners in the state by saying her renewable energy plans could put them out of
business.
Well, let's get a check on the voting currently underway. We are joined by Jean Casarez live in Charleston, West Virginia. Thanks so much for joining
us on the program.
Let's talk about the Democrats first off and Hillary Clinton despite all the rhetoric. She doesn't quite have this wrapped up yet, does she?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, she made a comment during CNN's town hall meeting in March saying that we will -- I will put the mines out
of business and the coal miners won't have a job.
And the communities in West Virginia have not forgotten that, because when you think about West Virginia in this country, you think about coal and the
mining of coal. Coal miners have been the backbone of this state for many, many years.
So when they heard that, it really made them turn their attention, if they were Democrats, to Bernie Sanders. And for some of those voters, turn to
Donald Trump because Donald Trump is supporting the coal industry.
The Coal Miners Association has endorsed Donald Trump. Today voters are engaged. We were at a polling station here in Charleston, West Virginia.
They are knowledgeable on the issues, passionate about their state.
We're really seeing support for all the candidates and they have their particular reasons. First of all, I just spoke with someone whose family
was in the mining industry.
His belief is that mining is becoming passe in West Virginia, becoming expensive, natural gas is cheaper and the people of this state have to face
that realization. He feels that Hillary Clinton will be the best one to bridge that gap to bring in new industry.
Also spoke with a woman of Syrian descent who said she had no relation to the coal industry, but it was all Bernie Sanders for her. She looks at a
global perspective and she believes Bernie Sanders globally speaking is the candidate.
Of course, those people that have come out today are saying it is all Donald Trump because he is the one that will keep the industry and the coal
miners in work and that will keep the rest of the state going, they say -- Hannah.
JONES: And Jean, let's talk about Nebraska as well. This possible protest vote against Donald Trump. Given that he is the presumptive nominee for
the party, what is the purpose of a protest vote?
CASAREZ: Haven't heard that. We're seeing quite the opposite. I spoke with a woman that is a registered Democrat and she voted for Hillary
Clinton. She had to vote Democratic because you vote for your party.
She said come the general election in November, she's going to vote for Donald Trump. She's going to cross state lines because she little bit --
political lines because she believes Trump is the one that can help the economy.
And the issue on everybody's mind in this state, whoever you are for, it is for the economy and turning it around.
JONES: Jean Casarez live for us in West Virginia, thanks very much indeed.
[15:10:10]Now the U.S. secretary of state has warned that Russia could get bogged down in a prolonged war in Syria. That's what John Kerry told CNN's
Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview here in London.
He also said America understands that Moscow has its own interests in Syria, that it has an interest in not being dragged into a drawn-out
campaign there. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: If Russia is going to avoid a morass in Syria all together, they actually need to find a political solution.
Now right now they're angling for the political solution they want and it is not necessarily a workable equation.
We understand that. But, we would not have gotten the initial cease-fire without Russia, and literally tens of thousands of lives were saved. You
can add it up. The number -- 200 people a day were being killed. That stopped for a period of time.
People hadn't received any humanitarian assistance for years. Almost a million people have now received humanitarian assistance. And so there's
been some benefit to this. Is it perfect? No. Are there still problems to work out? Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: John Kerry there speaking to Christiane Amanpour.
A temporary truce is in effect this hour in Syrian city of Aleppo after being extended for another 48 hours. Russia has been a key player in
securing these truces. Moscow has promised to draw down its forces across the country.
CNN's Frederik Pleitgen recently traveled with Russian forces and joins me now live from the capital city, Damascus. Far from Russian withdrawal,
which we heard about last month or a few months ago, Putin's influence does seem to be being felt heavily both on and off the battlefield -- Fred.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, you're absolutely right, Hannah, and in various places on the battlefield at that.
It was interesting because the Russians do seem to have withdrawn at least some strike aircraft that they had in Syria.
But at the same time they also brought a lot of other military hardware into the country, more attack helicopters. They have additional bases and
also very sophisticated antiaircraft weapons as well. Here's what we saw when we traveled with them.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PLEITGEN (voice-over): This is the Russian intervention the world has come to know. But Russia's footprint in Syria seems to be far bigger than just
combat jets.
There are thousands of troops stationed at its main airbase, disciplined and highly motivated. We caught up with this first lieutenant during his
boxing practice. "I'm glad to heavy me country here," he says, "and I'm not afraid. What is there to be afraid of in Syria?"
The west has criticized Russia saying its airstrikes target mostly moderate anti-Assad rebels. The Russians claiming they bomb only ISIS and other
terror groups.
But while Moscow says it's withdrawn most forces from Syria, on an embed we saw what appear to be several bases in Western and Central Syria with a
variety of attack helicopters.
Also, a brand-new base in Palmyra for its demining crews with dozens of fighting vehicles and even antiaircraft missile systems. On top of its own
assets, the military spokesperson says his forces cooperate with Bashar al- Assad's troops.
"We receive a great deal of information from the Syrian general staff," he says. "They are on the ground and close to the rebels, as for the military
technical cooperation, of course we help them as well."
None of this seems to indicate a full Russian withdrawal from Syria any time soon. And for many in the government-held part of Damascus, that's
just fine.
Violence still rages in most of the country. Reconciliation seems nowhere in sight, and neither is an end to Russia's involvement in the conflict.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PLEITGEN: So as you can see there, Hannah, a lot of Russian equipment there in Syria, lot of very sophisticated Russian equipment there. One of
the things that really stood out to us was the ease with which the Russians were able to move through Syria.
They don't really have to coordinate with the Syrian government. They certainly don't have to ask for permission to go anywhere in Syria. They
fly and drive where they want, anywhere in government controlled territory.
Really appears as though the Russians are doing their own thing. It certainly doesn't appear as though they're willing to leave any time soon -
- Hannah.
JONES: OK, Fred, we'll have to leave it there. Fred Pleitgen for us live in the Syrian capital, Damascus. Thank you.
Just to update you as well on the peace talks, the Russian Foreign Ministry is being quoted as saying that international negotiators plan to meet in
Vienna on May 17th. That's a week today to discuss the conflict in Syria.
According to the news agency, (inaudible), Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov will be taking part in that meeting.
To North Korea now, the country has staged a grand display of strength after a rare meeting of the country's ruling party.
[15:15:08]Thousands of North Koreans have been singing and marching in the capital Pyongyang.
Our Will Ripley had unprecedented access to the congress and the closing ceremony. He brings us this report.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Few places put on the supersized displays of public adulation better than North Korea. It looks like the entire city
of Pyongyang has turned out here. The government officials here with us say only about half of Pyongyang is here which would still be more than 1
million people.
You might ask, when do they have time to practice for these things? Well, we come here, we see people practicing. In the evenings, after work. It
is workplace groups. It is school groups. It is neighbor centers.
Everybody coming together, spending hours and hours to prepare for these displays that North Korea has really become famous for. This time it is to
mark the end of the seventh party congress and the election of the Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un to a brand new even bigger title, chairman of the
Workers Party of Korea.
He also was up on stage, waving at the crowd, and standing beside his new party leadership. What this means the unanimous vote promoting him and the
fact you see all the population here celebrating the congress, the leader moves forward with his plan.
His plan to aggressively develop North Korea's nuclear weapons and also trying to grow the economy. Even though it the vast majority of these
people didn't participate directly in the political process, only the ruling elite who are standing underneath the supreme leader who are
actually at the congress had a unanimous vote, not surprisingly.
Still, these people were told by their government what happened and now they are out here celebrating, not asking questions. This is what it means
to be a citizen in the North Korean capital. Will Ripley, CNN, Pyongyang.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
JONES: Still to come tonight, David Cameron has been heard on camera calling two countries fantastically corrupt. In a conversation with -- you
guessed it -- the queen. Hear who he was speaking about and one of their responses in just a few minutes.
And a string of tornadoes hits the central U.S. with deadly results. We'll update you on the dangerous storm system next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
JONES: Welcome back to the program. Britain's prime minister has been heard on camera calling Nigeria and Afghanistan, quote, "fantastically
corrupt countries." David Cameron was speaking to the queen about her anti-corruption summit in London which opens on Thursday. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Very successful cabinet meeting this morning. Talked about our anti-corruption summit. The Nigerians,
they fantastically corrupt. Nigeria and Afghanistan, possibly the two most corrupt countries.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[15:20:03]JONES: Let's speak to Nic Robertson about this. He joins me in the studio now. David Cameron's got some form on this, hasn't he? But is
this a gaffe or a deliberate mistake?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, what he didn't say is the current leaders of these countries are corrupt. Currently the
president of Nigeria and the president of Afghanistan. And actually the archbishop of Canterbury was standing with him and the queen and tend to
say, actually the president of him at the moment of Nigeria, he's not corrupt.
Look, it is embarrassing because he really didn't know that the camera was rolling. It could have been far worse. He has done this sort of thing
before. For the Nigerians walking into this, it is a bit embarrassing.
The spokesperson says this is embarrassing for us and perhaps the Prime Minister, David Cameron, is looking at an old snapshot of Nigeria because,
of course, (inaudible) campaigned on a corruption ticket.
JONES: In terms of the accuracy of the comment, I mean, how accurate is it? Was David Cameron right?
ROBERTSON: And Downing Street has been quite to point that out. They said they won't comment on conversations he has with the queen, but they have
said, look, both of these leaders have said that their countries are -- do have corruption issues.
He said that -- or Downing Street has said when they have this summit, both leaders have written some notes for the summit and these will be published.
This was normally going to happen.
Ghani has said, yes, Afghanistan is badly corrupt and Bakari (ph) has said, look, the last government sort of created a situation of corruption inside
the country. There are scales to measure this, and Afghanistan is woefully low. There are only two countries below it. You have --
JONES: But not Nigeria.
ROBERTSON: No, not Nigeria. They are a little higher up the scale. Afghanistan comes in 166. Below it, tied 167th, you have North Korea and
Somalia. It is not a happy place to be. Nigeria actually equally corrupt on par, with Ukraine, 136 on the list. It is above Kenya so it can take
some solace in that.
But no, for both of these countries. The president of Afghanistan, Ghani, was in the IMF, International Monetary Fund. He was a finance minister for
Afghanistan. He is tidying up after a president who had -- who was heavily criticized for the corruption of his leadership.
JONES: Just very briefly, you said that Downing Street won't comment on what the queen might have said. Presumably Buckingham Palace not
commenting on that. She very much keeps her opinions to herself.
ROBERTSON: She does. There was no chance we would hear what the queen had to say, but very embarrassing for the prime minister and he does have form
with the mayor -- actually with the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg talking about the queen's reaction to him when he told her about the
outcome of the Scottish referendum. He was speaking about the queen.
JONES: She has a little more diplomatic experience than he does.
ROBERTSON: Certainly does.
JONES: Thank you very much, Nic. Thanks for joining us in studio.
Now we turn to Brazil and another twist in the country's ongoing political crisis. We started the week with an announcement by the acting speaker of
the Lower House to annul the impeachment vote against President Dilma Rousseff (ph).
But despite that the Senate still planned to push ahead with the proceedings. Today the acting speaker is back hurdling saying he has
revoked his earlier decision. The Senate is set to vote on the measure on Wednesday.
This is, of course, an incredibly confusing and complex story that has near daily developments now. CNN's Shasta Darlington has been tracking the
story for us and takes us back to just how Brazil got itself into this turmoil.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Dilma Rousseff is one of the most unpopular presidents in Brazil's history, possibly in the world. So what
happened after she was re-elected in October 2014?
Well, to start with, the economy is tanking. Many call it a depression, high unemployment, high inflation and that means a lot of Brazilians,
frankly, aren't in the mood to put up with political corruption.
Investigators had already started to reveal a bribery scandal involving the state-run oil company, Petrobras, before Rousseff's re-election, but it
snowballed afterwards with accusations against top business leaders and politicians in Rousseff's Workers Party.
That meant that while Rousseff herself wasn't implicated, millions of Brazilians have taken to the street to protest against a corrupt political
class and of course economic problems.
And with public opinion in their favor, opposition lawmakers decided to forge ahead with an impeachment motion in Congress accusing Rousseff not of
corruption but of breaking budget laws to try and hide the sorry state of the economy ahead of re-election.
Now the impeachment proceedings will drag on for months. All of this, however, is going to play out on the global stage as Brazil gears up for
the Olympic Games in August.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
[15:25:06]JONES: Shasta Darlington there for us in Rio de Janeiro.
Now wildfires are still burning near the charred town of Fort McMurray in Western Canada, but cooler temperatures should help firefighters contain
the flames. The fire has moved away from Fort McMurray itself allowing some to witness the devastation left behind.
So many homes are now just ashes. But a regional official says firefighters did manage to save 90 percent of the town's buildings
including all of its schools. Tens of thousands of people fled the area as that fire closed in. And now they're waiting to find out when they can
return.
More extreme weather hit the Central United States on Monday as many as two dozen tornadoes were reported in Oklahoma and Nebraska. Kim Hutcherson has
the details.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KIM HUTCHERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A trail of destruction in South Central Oklahoma.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The houses are string here. They are several from memory and yes, they are all just -- they're just gone.
HUTCHERSON: Even the regular storm chasers were nervous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys that are watching on this live stream, you guys need to be sending your prayers up. It is actually destroying homes right
now.
HUTCHERSON: Hail the size of tennis balls was reported and at least one tornado was estimated to have been up to a mile wide. The threat so severe
that the National Weather Service issued a tornado emergency, an enhanced warning given when large tornadoes threaten heavily populated areas.
The same system that spawned these storms brought tornadoes to Colorado's eastern plains last weekend. Victims described what they saw.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Started off as a little toothpick. Then it started just getting bigger around bigger and it started getting really wide.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We actually went down in the basement and into the back room because it was -- it was a sound like you've never heard before.
HUTCHERSON: As South Central Oklahoma picks up the pieces, focus turns to the Ohio and Tennessee valleys. That's where forecasters say the weather
system is headed next. I'm Kim Hutcherson reporting.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
JONES: Donald Trump is the lone U.S. Republican presidential candidate still standing, but for how long? Why one of his former rival said he
would consider getting back into the race.
The husband of a British-Iranian woman detained in Iran speaks out calling for her release. I spoke to Richard Ratcliffe. Hear what he had to say in
just a few minutes.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[15:30:00]
JONES: The headlines on "The World Right Now." London's new mayor, Sadiq Khan, says it is time for Donald Trump to reconsider his views on Islam.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: This after the presumptive republican presidential nominee suggested Mr. Khan would be an exception to his plan to temporarily ban Muslims from
entering the U.S.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: The U.S. Secretary of State has warned Russia could get bogged down in a prolonged war in Syria.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: That's what John Kerry told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview. He also said America understands that Moscow has its
own interests in Syria but it doesn't want to be dragged into a drawn-out campaign there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: And another surprising twist in Brazil's political crisis.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: The acting speaker of the lower house is now back-pedaling on his decision to annul an impeachment vote against President, Dilma Rousseff.
The Senate is vote is set on the measure on Wednesday.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: The husband of a British Iranian aid worker who has been detained in Iran for five weeks now is calling for her release. Richard Ratcliffe says
his wife Nazanian, was arrested when she arrived at an airport to fly back to Britain. She's been separated from her 22-month-old daughter. Earlier I
spoke to Richard Ratcliffe and began by asking him about the circumstances of his wife's case.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RICHARD RATCLIFFE, HUSBAND OF DETAINED WOMAN IN IRAN: So Nazanian had gone with our daughter, Gabriella for a family holiday. She had gone for
(inaudible) which is at the same time as Easter for a two-week break. So she'd gone to see all her relatives and just see her grandparents and her
parents, particularly take the baby so that she could be seen there. So she was there and she had the family holiday and then she was leaving at the
airport and just as she was checking in, that's when she was detained.
JONES: And now she's being held somewhere else, not in Tehran. And have you been in contact with her at all is.
RATCLIFFE: So, yes, that's right, she's been moved 1,000 kilometers away to (inaudible) which is in the south of Iran. I had no direct contact with
her. I've not be able to speak to her and I can't get in touch with her. And the contact she is allowed, is she has been allowed to telephone her
parents occasionally. So it's quite erratic as to when she can call. But essentially if she cooperates with her interrogators at the end of the day
she is allowed to call home to her parents.
JONES: And they are in Tehran with your daughter at the moment is that correct?
RATCLIFFE: That's right. So they are looking after Gabriella and when Gabriella went of course she couldn't speak (inaudible) so she's had to
learn a new language. She would have known her grandmother quite well because her grandmother comes over here. The others members of the family
don't have a visa so it would have been a whole new world away from her mum and her dad and --
JONES: What do you know about the conditions in which Nazanian is being held?
RATCLIFFE: Well, it's hard to know anything for sure. Because any time she's spoken on the phone she said she's been well treated and she's
helping them with investigations and god willing it will be finished soon and she's very cautious. There clearly is someone sitting next to her. But
you know she's clearly isolated. She's had no contact from any lawyer.
JONES: Solitary confinement?
RATCLIFFE: Solitary confinement. She will tell us what lunch she's had. Which I'm sure is true.
JONES: And on what grounds? What have the Iranians said? Why is she being held?
RATCLIFFE: So there are no charges. You know and after 37 days now, no charges have been pressed at all which is contrary to Iranian law as well
as it is to international law and any kind of law you could look for. All that has ever come out is that her father once received a phone call from
the revolutionary guards. They said it was an issue of national security and an ongoing investigation, but that could be anything. And in all
honesty, I mean it's nonsense. There is a young mum with a baby who's been to Iran for four times since the baby was born, works for a charity that
has nothing to do with Iran and she has no work in - yes, no work in Iran, so what on earth could be the security issue?
JONES: There are a number of westerners being held in Iran at the moment for spurious claims, reasons given by authorities there. Given that we know
that some people are being held, was your wife ever concerned about her holidays, her trips to Iran to see family? Any concern for the family
members that she's then going to go and see whether they would then be targeted?
RATCLIFFE: No, they're not a political family. And she stayed out of politics when she was here and different charitable work she's done at
times but if that's become too political she's stopped doing it. So she's been going every year at least once as many years, twice. So no, at no
point did she feel, did I feel, did any of her family feel that there was a sudden risk.
JONES: It's interesting that you say that the Iranians have made some comment about a possible risk to national security. Is there anything that
would let you believe that your wife's job, her charitable function within Thompson Reuters Foundation, is there anything that would let you think
that perhaps she veered off course and perhaps was doing something outside of the remit of her job?
RATCLIFFE: No. I mean so she works in Morocco and Burma and Sub-Saharan Africa. I can't see how that in any way is a national security risk for the
state of Iran. And in all honesty, she went there with her baby to see her granny. I mean it's just nonsense.
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JONES: As far as the relatives there in Tehran, you say that they've had some contact with her, phone calls and alike. Do they have any indication
as to whether she's going to be coming home, at least to them soon?
RATCLIFFE: No. And there are -- I mean the goal posts have kept moving. So at the very beginning there was a phone call and it would be a couple of
days. Then a couple of days more. And then hopefully, god willing, it will soon be over. And then there was a call to say it will be two to three
months. So I mean it's hard to know any truth, it's all utterly opaque. But there is nothing that's reliable in this process.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: That was Richard Ratcliff speaking to me earlier on.
Well CNN has reached out to the Iranian embassy in London for a comment on Nazanin's case but have yet to receive a response.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Well Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe isn't the only western prisoner in an Iranian jail. 76-year-old British national Kamal Foroughi has been in jail
there for more than four years. While (inaudible) another British Citizen has been imprisoned in Iran since 2013. U.S. Citizen Robert Levinson has
been held in the country since 2007. While father and son, (inaudible) joint U.S. and Iranian citizens, were also jailed there in the last year.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Now, he may not be able to stop her from winning the U.S. Democratic presidential nomination, but he can slow her down.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Bernie Sanders is expected to do well in the West Virginia primary today. Although a still wouldn't dent Hillary Clinton's commanding delegate
lead.
Clinton is anxious to turn her attention to Republican Donald Trump as soon as possible. And with good reason. According to a new poll that finds him
closing the gap on her in three crucial swing states. In a theoretical general election match-up, Trump and Clinton are running virtually neck and
neck in Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES Well, let's talk about all of this with CNN's senior political analyst, David Gergen. David, we're going to talk first of all about this
general election, a hypothetical setup at the moment. But we're going to jump ahead anyway to November. How are things looking for Clinton and for
Trump.
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, this new poll that's out is the first wisp of good news that the Republicans and Donald Trump have
had in about the last two weeks.
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GERGEN: Now there's been almost a sense of a campaign collapsing around him. He's had a lot of trouble with the Republicans on Capitol Hill. He's
got serious questions about raising money and many polls he's been running substantially behind. This poll shows him neck and neck in three crucial
states, Pennsylvania, and Florida, Ohio.
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GERGEN: But I would caution. This is one poll. The other polls that have been taken show her with a much more substantial lead and overall an
average of about -- in all the national polls of about 6 1/2 points ahead of Trump.
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GERGEN: So this poll may be an outlier, we'll have to see if there are additional polls that would support it. But it does give finally for
Republicans who have been terribly worried that this whole thing was going to go - you know it was just going to go plunging down this whole effort,
there's finally some sense of hope. And I think it helps Donald Trump as he prepares to sit down with Republican leaders this Thursday, a couple of
days from now on Capitol Hill and see if they can mend their fences.
JONES: Some hope you say there for the Republicans but less so when it comes to his diplomatic capability, should we call it, across the Atlantic.
One of our top stories is about the new London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, and his comments and rebuff to Donald Trump saying he would be an exception to the
rule about banning all Muslims from entering the United States. And how big a slap in the face is this for the Trump campaign?
GERGEN: Well, it's been playing on social media since the election of the new mayor in London. Let me be clear, I tweeted on this and said, you know
I cheered the fact that London would elect a Muslim mayor. That wouldn't happen here, certainly under a Trump administration.
So I think it has put some pressure on him. And one of the things he's going to have to -- I believe ultimately if he wants to win this election,
is he has to walk back two or three things he said. And one of them clearly has been his call to ban Muslims from coming in to the United States. You
can't do that to such a large proportion of the world's population. And now includes a mayor, by the way, mayors of a couple important places in
Canada, our neighboring state -- country.
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GERGEN: So -- I think Donald Trump's going to have to put this issue behind him, or at least calm it down and confine it. And he hasn't gotten there
yet.
JONES: And we also want to talk about this idea of this protest vote particularly going on in Nebraska right now. Ted Cruz who of course pulled
out just a couple of weeks ago it sounds like he might even be backtracking on that. Let's just take a listen to this bit of sound that we have from
Ted Cruz.
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TED CRUZ, FORMER U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If there is a path to victory, we launched this campaign intending to win. The reason we
suspended the race last week is with Indiana loss, I didn't see a viable path to victory. If that's changes, we will certainly respond accordingly.
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JONES: Well, that will come as a huge surprise to many people. But I guess Ted Cruz is effectively saying conservatism isn't dead, there is still
hope. Could we then therefore still see some sort of contested convention?
GERGEN: I think there's an outside possibility of a contested convention. I think the chances are quite low. If Donald Trump were running consistently
more than six points behind going into July, there's going to be enough of a panic in the Republican Party that they might investigate some way to
open the door. I don't think the door will be open to Ted Cruz. They would be looking for others. It would be - you're talking about a slap in the
face here earlier -- the slap in the face to Trump supporters would be so enormous, I just think it would rip the party apart so I don't think it's
going to go in that direction.
But you know as I've been trying to emphasize, there's been so much dismay in the Trump campaign and the people around - and the people who would like
to see Trump win because everything has been going badly in the last - you know since Indiana. And there is this chance there is going to be a
rebellion of some sort against Trump. We'll have to wait and see.
You know he's got - he's in a really awkward interesting position now where he said he would self-finance his campaign. Suddenly he's woken up to the
idea he needs about $1.5 billion in order to compete against Hillary Clinton. Where is he going to get that? He has to go back to the Republican
apparatus.
So first he has to sort of contradict what he's been promising, and secondly, he's now very dependent on Republican donors many of whom plan to
sit this out. So he's got so many different fences to mend here. He's got his hands full. And if he does it, he could be a viable candidate. You know
look at that poll today, it's a small sign, a small sliver of hope.
But you know we've got two and a half months of this freight train taking crazy turns before we get to Cleveland and then the Republican convention.
There's going to be a lot of twists and turns.
JONES: There certainly will. A lot of money involved as well, celebrity endorsements, Presidential endorsements, all the like as well. David
Gergen, great to have you on the program, thank you very much for your analysis for us, thank you.
GERGEN: OK, Hannah, thank you.
JONES: This is "The World Right Now." Glitz, glamour and heavy security.
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JONES: On the eve of its famed film festival, Cannes is on high alert. Why French authorities are taking no chances with security.
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JONES: Welcome back. Major terror attacks and heightened threat levels have Europeans on edge to a certain extent. People are wondering how their
governments can keep them safe. The U.K. is coming to a crossroads on that point. Is it safer to stay in the European Union or to leave? Nic
Robertson, reports.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the shadow of the Paris and Brussels attacks, "Brexit" talk is turning to terrorism.
DAVID CAMERON, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: And we'll only succeed in overcoming it by working much more closely together.
ROBERTSON: PM Cameron ramping up his case to remain.
CAMERON: Having a border isn't enough. You also need information. You need data. You need intelligence.
ROBERTSON: An estimated 1,500 ISIS acolytes back from Syria's front line then Europe all ready. Is Britain safer in or out of the E.U.? In says
this former justice minister.
PAULINE NEVILLE-JONES: FORMER U.K. JUSTICE MINISTER: It is our security a buffer in a sense and we want to keep it that way.
ROBERTSON: Europe, a buffer. Intelligence sharing lets Britain see terror threats coming.
NEVILLE-JONES: Police cooperation is very important. And there the E.U. law. That is how for instance, the French police were able to help the
Belgium police on Belgium soil actually catch the terrorists.
ROBERTSON: But not all E.U. counterterrorism law pleasing all. This MEP wants the U.K. out of the E.U. But (faulty) says new powerful E.U.
extradition laws.
DANIEL HANNAN, MEMBER OF EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT: We were told when it was introduced that it would only be used as an antiterrorist measure. In fact
it's now used routinely and people regularly find themselves imprisoned without their case coming to trial with a loss of liberty that would be
intolerable.
ROBERTSON: A reality check for both in and out camps. Most recent U.K. terror plots like the brutal beheading of a British soldier in London were
home grown. And what of Britain's more traditional security challenge, Russia? America wants Britain in.
BARACK OABAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you start seeing divisions in Europe, that weakens NATO. That will have impact on our
collective security.
ROBERTSON: The out camp's most persuasive orator London's flamboyant, former Mayor disagrees.
BORIS JOHNSON, FORMER LONDON MAYOR: What worries me now is it's the European Union's pretensions to run a foreign policy and a defense policy
that risk undermining NATO.
ROBERTSON: Johnson is outgunned massively on this. Five former NATO chiefs and 13 U.S. secretaries of defense, state and national security just
weighed in. "Brexit" is bad for Britain, bad for the world. But none of this careful calculus may count, not if ISIS attacks again, just before the
vote.
AIMAN DEAN, FORMER SPY INSIDE AL QAEDA: They believe that in the long run the strategic goal is to break up the body of the European Union which they
perceive to be a formidable enemy.
ROBERTSON: If there is another Paris, another Brussels, an attack in London even, then hearts may win over heads whatever the cost, the outcome of the
referendum may be, pull the draw bridge up.
Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
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JONES: Well security is being beefed up ahead of the Cannes Film Festival. French authorities are on high alert deploying an army of private security
agents. The event itself kicks off on Wednesday. Zain Asher takes a look at the preparations.
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ZAIN ASHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hollywood stars walking the red carpet. Luxury yachts moored in the Mediterranean. Busy streets, packed with
tourists. These are the kinds of scenes you'd expect to see in Cannes as thousands of celebrities, filmmakers and journalists descend on the French
Rivera for the famous film festival.
But this is what French authorities are training for and hoping to avoid. Police recently staged this security drill practicing what to do if gunmen
were to storm the festival palace. Authorities in Cannes are on high alert especially following recent terror attacks in both Paris and Brussels.
BERNARD CAZENEUVE, FRENCH INTERIOR MINISTER: (As translated) We're faced with a higher risk than ever, faced with an enemy determined to strike us
at any moment we must prove extremely vigilant at all times.
ASHER: The French Interior Minister traveled from Paris to check security ahead of Wednesday's opening. Hundreds of additional police officers have
been deployed and special forces units are on stand-by ready to respond if needed.
THIERRY FREMAUX, CANNES FILM FESTIVAL DIRECTOR: For sure that not only in France but everywhere now we are leading the world which could be
dangerous. So since September 11 Cannes is under strong security, and this year especially.
ASHER: Cannes has seen its fair share of security breaches. In recent years, it's been mostly red carpet crashes. Back in 1975 a bomb exploded
outside the main venue hours before the festival opened. Fortunately no one was hurt. And while Cannes represents a major security challenge to
authorities, to many in France, it's more than just a film festival.
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CAZENEUVE: (As translated) The festival is special in terms of international prestige for France. This festival also represents a
particular issue with a special threat context we are confronted with, a security issue.
ASHER: And with signs visible right across the city, security will remain tight for the festival's 12-day run.
Zain Asher, CNN, Atlanta.
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JONES: Coming up, comedian Jon Stewart has been rather quiet on the unconventional U.S. Presidential race -- until now.
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JONES: Wait until you hear what he called Donald Trump.
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JONES: We're going to return now to the race for the White House. Jon Stewart may not be hosting "The Daily Show" anymore, but that didn't stop
him from giving us take on at least one of the presidential candidates.
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JON STEWART, FORMER HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": Are you eligible to run if you are a man baby? Or a -- a baby man? He is a man baby. He has the physical
countenance of a man. And a baby's temperament and hands.
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JONES: Well Stewart's successor Trevor Noah has just celebrated his first 100 episodes as the host "The Daily Show." The South African sat down with
CNN's Becky Anderson to crack a joke or two and also to discuss his favorite U.S. election moment so far.
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TREVOR NOAH, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": I think the moment where everyone realized they don't know what's going on. That's probably even the best.
Right? Because everyone predicted everything. Everyone goes I know what's happening. Nobody has a clue.
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Who do you think's going to win?
NOAH: I don't know. I genuinely don't. It all depends on what happens. Because I mean if god forbid if there's a bad mass event in America, Donald
Trump shoots up because he is the reactive candidate. You know? We don't even know what's going to happen between Hillary and Bernie right now.
ANDERSON: It's going to be tough for Donald Trump going forward this will be a difference phase of the campaign. If you had to give him one joke then
which would help him cope what would it be?
NOAH: How do you give one of the greatest comedians a joke? How do I give Donald Trump -- I feel like Donald Trump should give me jokes at this
point.
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: By the way, look. It really is mine. Right? Look at me. Right? My hair. Give me a mirror.
ANDERSON: It's been rich for comedy fodder. The show, to a certain extent, some people might say is a bit disconnected from it. Is it because you
haven't got a dog in the fight, as it were? You're South African.
NOAH: I don't think it's that. I think what people take for granted is, when you're starting a new show, you are doing exactly that, you are
starting a new show. And so any late night legacy, any legacy has to begin somewhere. You can't manufacture outrage. You can't -- that would be
artificial. People will feel that. What a lot of people thought was you would just get somebody in the chair after Jon Stewart and they would
continue his anger, whereas he always said, you don't do that. He said to me, don't be angry because I wasn't angry when I started. Enjoy it.
ANDERSON: You have often joked about being --
NOAH: Born of crime.
ANDERSON: -- having a black plan mom and a white dad during a -- .
NOAH: My mom was arrested for being with my dad, she would get fined, she would get thrown into prison for the weekend. But she would come back, and
she was like woo! I don't care! I don't care! Come tell me what you love! I want a white man! Woo!
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ANDERSON: Race, of course, is a hot topic in America. And you've said that makes you feel right at home. Explain.
NOAH: I've always been fascinated by race. I believe it's one of the core disparities that we have in the world. It's just all around race, how we
look. And I'm fascinated by that. And America is not that dissimilar to South Africa in its history. A group ever people oppressed. A group of
people trying to maintain the status quo. So for me, in America when I go there, I go, oh, yeah, I recognize that racism. That reminds me of home. I
recognize that challenge, it reminds me of home.
ANDERSON: You've recently hosted your 100th episode, i think, of "The Daily Show" and you've conceded that you know it's been tough. Do you still find
humor funny?
NOAH: Do I still find - that's a good question, that's actually a really good question. Do I find humor funny? I really do. I really do. I believe
in the power of a joke. I've just I - you know I've laughed my whole life. I've come from a world where no matter how poor we were, no matter how much
suffering there was, we always found a way to laugh.
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JONES: That is Trevor Noah there speaking to our Becky Anderson saying that he's always found humor funny. And it's not just comedians who are cracking
jokes apparently. This is how we are leaving you this hour.
A British police department is trying to have some fun with this.
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JONES: The West Midlands Police Department has pixelated this image of some lambs they rescued. This happened after three men were caught trying to
steal the animals from a farmer in the West Midlands. The department - the police department jokingly said that they pixelated the image to protect
the identity of the lambs due to their age and their vulnerability. We understand the sheep are unharmed and the police department went on to say
they seem none the worse for their adventure.
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JONES: They've had quite a lovely day actually. All in a day's work there for the police officers. I'm not sure whether we should be happy or not
that they're taking time out for photo sessions. But anyway, thank you very much for joining us, this has been "The World Right Now," and "Quest Means
Business" is up next.
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