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Aired May 14, 2016 - 17:00   ET

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[16:59:50] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: You're on the CNN NEWSROOM, top of the hour. I'm Ana Cabrera in for Poppy Harlow. Thanks for joining us.

Just as Donald Trump and Republican leadership agreed to work towards party unity, there's a new potential controversy dominating the headlines. An audio recording from the 1990s just surfaced, and it's raising questions about whether Trump may have posed as his own PR guy during a phone interview with a reporter. Trump denies this is his voice on the tape. Take a listen for yourself.

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JOHN MILLER: I've resort of been here in here to handle because I've never seen anybody got so many calls from the press.

SUE CARSWELL, FORMER PEOPLE MAGAZINE REPORTER WHO INTERVIEWED TRUMP: Where did you come from?

I came from -- I basically worked for different firms, I worked for a couple different firms, and I'm somebody that knows, and I think somebody that he trusts and likes. So, I'm going to do this a little part-time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CABRERA: All right. We'll dig into that in just a moment but first, there's another issue catching fire, Trump refusing to release his tax returns until an audit is complete, which could be after the general election, and now the Clinton campaign is jumping all over that alleging he has something to hide. Let's go to CNN's Scott McLean for that part of the story -- Scott.

SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, earlier this week, Trump seemed to be making headway on party unity, winning over some Republican donors and congressmen, and now he also has to fend off a new attack from the Clinton campaign over his refusal to release his tax returns.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Maybe I'm going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate.

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: The state of Hawaii released my official long form birth certificate.

TRUMP: If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely.

I am officially running for president of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any closer to releasing taxes?

TRUMP: Well, I'm thinking about it.

I can't do it until the audit is finished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The audit is no excuse. The IRS has made it very clear, the audit is not bar to public release, it is entirely your choice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCLEAN: Now, Trump has said he wants to release the returns, but will only do so once an IRS audit is done.

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS CHIEF ANCHOR: Do you believe they have a right to see the tax returns before they make a decision?

TRUMP: I don't think so, but I do say this, I will really gladly give them, not going to learn anything, but it's under routine audit. When the audit ends, I'm going to present them.

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MCLEAN: Now, Trump went on to say, he hopes the audit will be complete before the election in November, but we have no way of knowing exactly when it will be done. Now, if he does not release the returns, he would be the first presidential no, not to since the 1970s. Legally, though, he's under no obligation to make them public. Now for his part, Trump has also been taking shots at Clinton on the transparency question calling her a great hypocrite because of the private e-mail server she used while she was Secretary of State and the fact that she has yet to release transcripts of the high priced speeches she gives to Goldman Sachs -- Ana.

CABRERA: All right, Scott McLean, thanks for that report. We also have this new bizarre audio tape that has the political world abuzz this weekend. Trump denying it's his voice on this 1991 recording between a "People" magazine reporter and a mysterious PR man calling himself John Miller who does sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump. Well, here's the side by side comparison.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOHN MILLER: I can tell you this.

TRUMP: I can tell you this.

JOHN MILLER: He's probably doing as well as anybody.

TRUMP: I know politics as well as anybody.

I hold up the Bible as well as anybody.

JOHN MILLER: You understand that.

TRUMP: You understand that.

JOHN MILLER: He's starting to do tremendously well.

TRUMP: She did tremendously well.

JOHN MILLER: He paid his wife a great deal of money.

TRUMP: You will see a great deal of cooperation.

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CABRERA: CNN's senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin took at this tape to an audio forensic expert, this is what he found.

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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The real amazing story of Donald Trump's old spokesman as the Washington Post headlines writes, maybe that it's been such an open secret for so long, it's hard to believe that anyone is still questioning it.

CARSWELL: What's your name again?

JOHN MILLER: John Miller.

CARSWELL: You work with --

JOHN MILLER: Yes, that's correct.

GRIFFIN: It was back in the 1980s, and when the flashy New York real estate mogul needed to get a bit of news out, the newspaper reports it was common knowledge among New York reporters that Trump just assumed a different name and handled the media calls himself. Like this call from reporter Sue Carswell at "People" magazine concerning Trump's breakup with girlfriend Marla Maples.

CARSWELL: What kind of comment is coming from, you know, your agency or from Donald?

JOHN MILLER: Well, it's just that he really decided that he was not, you know, he didn't want to make -- he didn't want to make a commitment. He really thought it was just -- he was coming out of a, you know, a marriage, that and he' starting to do it tremendously well financially.

GRIFFIN: If that John Miller sounds like Trump it's because audio forensic expert, Tom Owen, says in his opinion, it is.

THOMAS OWEN, FORENSIC AUDIO SPECIALIST: I can conclude with the fair degree the scientific certainty that it is Donald Trump's voice.

GRIFFIN: Owen, compared that John Miller on the phone call with "People" magazine --

JOHN MILLER: He didn't want to make a commitment. He really thought it was too soon. He's coming out.

GRIFFIN: To the real Donald Trump interviewed on CNN's "Larry King Live" in the 1990s.

TRUMP: I don't talk about relationships, I don't talk about the personal aspects of it.

[17:05:15] GRIFFIN: Due to the quality of the old recordings, he could not use his biometric analysis that he says would be absolutely certain, but based on pitch, tone, cadence and his expertise, John Miller and Donald Trump are one in the same.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm confident that it's Donald Trump based on my analysis of the critical listening, listening to the two recordings, and drawing a conclusion based on various factors, pitch, mannerisms, syllable coupling.

GRIFFIN: Trump even tacitly admitted under oath to using one of his false PR names in a 1990 court testimony when he said, I believe on occasion I used that name.

TRUMP: Thank you, everybody.

GRIFFIN: Trump was confronted with the taped phone call and "The Washington Post" story on Friday's "Today" show.

TRUMP: No, I don't think -- I don't know anything about it. You're telling me about it for the first time, and it doesn't sound like my voice at all. I have many, many people that are trying to imitate my voice, and you can imagine that, and this sound like one of these scams, one of the many scams. Doesn't sound like me.

GRIFFIN: Drew Griffin, CNN Atlanta.

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CABRERA: All right. Thanks to Drew Griffin. Now, this -- this really could have been a transformative week for Trump. These tapes now shifting the conversation, but remember, there was a lot of positive momentum coming out of these meetings in Washington, so what do these new developments actually mean?

I want to bring in our political panel, CNN political commentator, Jeffrey Lord, he is a big supporter of Donald Trump. Also with us, CNN political commentator, Doug Heye, he is also the former communications director for the RNC, and not a fan of Trump. Also Democratic strategist Maria Cardona joining us, her firm currently does work for a pro-Clinton Super PAC.

All right. Jeffrey, we'll start with you. Is it Donald Trump? Jeffrey? Can you hear me? Is it Donald Trump? And what are these political implications here?

JEFFREY LORD, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't think there are any. I mean, first of all, Donald Trump unequivocally denies that it is he on the tape. The thing that occurs to me, I mean, Ana, as you know and I know in this day and age of high-tech we could have a picture of you and me having tea with Adolf Hitler and it would look exactly like the real McCoy, and, of course, it would be phony as a $3 bill. So, frankly I don't trust in this age of technology, you can take any famous person, make them say anything, make them do anything, make them look any way you want.

CABRERA: You don't think it's him?

LORD: He says unequivocally it is not.

CABRERA: And do you believe him?

LORD: Yes. I will take his word. He knows what he's doing here. You know, that's what he says. You know, sure.

CABRERA: Doug, what do you make of it? Is it Donald Trump and would he have any reason not to lie about, to try to sweep it under the rug?

DOUG HEYE, FORMER RNC COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: Sure. If it talks like a Trump and it sounds like a Trump, it's Donald Trump. I think that most reasonable people can agree on this. I don't think electorally it hurts him at all. I think it continues the very Trump- focused conversation that he's had for over a year now where he dominates every news cycle on ridiculous things almost weekly. But what we've also seen is, you know, Jeffrey says he takes him at his word. This is the problem that a lot of voters feel is taking Trump at his word. He says he is going to build a wall, then says it's a suggestion. He says he's going to increase the minimum wage and then the next day he says he's not going to increase the minimum wage.

He says the same things about taxes. One of the things Trump's been able to do very effectively has been able to resist any kind of pinning down on anything. But what we seen with Trump and this latest tape shows it, is that Trump is all over a Morpheus on every issue, and that's what is troubling to so many people.

CABRERA: Maria, there's another issue, the issue of taxes.

MARIA CARDONA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Yes.

CABRERA: And Trump saying he's not going to release them until after the audit, which we know could still be months, if even years away because this 2009 taxes are still under audit. Will the GOP let him get away with this or should the electorate let him slide on this issue?

CARDONA: Well, I think that's up to the Republican Party. I do think that it is something that voters are going to continue to demand because it is something that for the last 40 years every presidential candidate has put out their taxes so that voters can see, and, in fact, Donald Trump himself was bashing Mitt Romney for not having released his taxes, and Mitt Romney ultimately did released his taxes. So, there's a lot of hypocrisy going on here. But I think the fact that he's not released his taxes, the fact that he's denies that is him on the tape, when, in fact, we all know that it is him on the tape.

And to Jeffrey's point about technology, there's also technology that exists today that can prove who people are. And you already have a forensic audio expert, many of them saying that this is absolutely Donald Trump on the tape, and I would have had so much more respect for him had he said, look, yes, that was me on the tape. We wouldn't be talking about this right now.

CABRERA: Now, Doug, you say --

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Doug says it does not matter anyway, that this is a nonissue for voters. Do you think it is?

CARDONA: Well, here's -- I'm sorry, go ahead.

CABRERA: Jeffrey.

LORD: Oh, sorry.

[17:10:23] CABRERA: Jeffrey, do you think it's an issue that that is worth talking about?

LORD: No, no.

CABRERA: If there's people trying to throw these tapes out against Trump like he says?

LORD: The example I've used is when we raise the tail in the Indiana primary, and there was a lot of talk about air-conditioning and all these people who lost their jobs. If you're sitting there in Indiana, and you just lost your job and you are trying to feed your family, people could care less about this kind thing. This is a decided -- this is a media thing, a New York Washington media deal here, and people out here in the real world who are trying to earn a living, who was concerned about their jobs, their health care, et cetera, they could care less about it.

CABRERA: And Maria, go ahead.

LORD: So, I agree with that. There are so many other issues that are so much more important to be talking about, but the way that this affects Trump is not that this is going to be a number one issue for voters, but two ways, number one, this is a different electorate than the Republican electorate in his supporters that he faced and that he gathered during the Republican primary. He needs to add voters to his side. This is not something that is going to help voters have trust in a man who can't even admit that this is him on the tape. And then that spills over to other issues. Well, if he's lying about this, how can I trust him on the other issues that he says he's going to fight for me on? And that's a contrast with Hillary Clinton that she will win every single time.

CABRERA: Well, fortunately, for Donald Trump, he is running against Hillary Clinton who has this kind of problem to the max.

CABRERA: All right. We'll talk more about transparency. We can talk more about trustworthiness. Because you all are sticking around.

So, Jeffrey Lord, Doug Heye, Maria Cardona. Stay with me. We'll talk to you in just a minute.

CARDONA: Thanks, Ana.

CABRERA: But still ahead this hour as well, whose voices at the reporter on the end of that now infamously phone call talked to CNN and how -- unique theory about what happened?

Plus, Dan Quayle sitting down exclusively with CNN, why the former vice president says he underestimated Donald Trump?

And later, a year after a deadly shootout in Texas, CNN travels to the inner circles of the world of the rival motorcycle club. Do not miss this. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[17:15:46] CABRERA: Welcome back. More now on that bizarre audio tape that is dominating the political headlines this weekend. Donald Trump denies it's his voice in the 1991 recording between a "People" magazine reporter and a mysterious PR man calling himself John Miller, who does sound a lot like Donald Trump. Now, the "People" magazine reporter on the other end of these phone calls spoke with Michael Smerconish this morning here on CNN, and she had this theory about how this tape ended up in the media. Listen.

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MICHAEL SMERCONISH, CNN ANCHOR: Did you release this tape?

CARSWELL: No.

SMERCONISH: Did you have the tape? How did it get into play?

CARSWELL: All right. Two people had the tape. I had a tape. And Trump had a tape. And I don't have the tape.

SMERCONISH: How do you think it got into play?

CARSWELL: Well, it didn't get to the Washington Post through me.

SMERCONISH: So?

CARSWELL: Trump.

SMERCONISH: You think Trump dropped this tape?

CARSWELL: Yes.

SMERCONISH: Why would he do that?

CARSWELL: Look what's going on this week. Taxes. Paul Ryan. The butler. The butler did it. Now Trump seems to like to pull "People" magazine type stories into the array.

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CABRERA: All right. Let's bring back our political panel, Jeffrey Lord, Doug Heye, Maria Cardona. Jeffrey, you're laughing. What do you make of this idea Trump may have leaked the audio himself?

LORD: Man, this is a novel. You know, all of the conspiracy talk, I have no idea how it got where it is. None.

CABRERA: Would Trump have a reason to do that leaking?

LORD: I mean, I certainly wouldn't think so. I mean, this is the kind of story that frankly drives me crazy. You know, four years ago, the Washington Post ran a front page story about, when Mitt Romney was in high school, he along with a bunch of kids hazed some other kid and cut his hair, and the kid grows up and later becomes gay, and this meant Mitt Romney was a gay basher. I mean, to me, this is exactly the kind of story that the media runs to hit Republican nominees that Donald Trump didn't exist and somebody else has won this nomination, they would be doing some version of this kind of story about them, you know, something has totally nothing to do with anything, distracts, and that is the point of it.

CABRERA: Doug, I know you agree with Jeffrey that there are more important issues about Donald Trump that we should be talking about. So let's talk about the issue of trustworthiness, which is why this audio tape comes into play at all in our conversation. If it isn't Donald Trump, why wouldn't he be able to say that's John Miller, here's his phone number or here is his contact information, give him a call.

HEYE: Because it's Donald Trump. You know, back on planet earth here, well, I think reasonable people can agree that is very clearly Donald Trump, and I don't say that as a criticism of Donald Trump. I think it's brilliant that he was able to pull it off. I'm disappointed only that he was not brazen enough to have his fake name be John Doe and go for 100 percent bore with it. I think there are a lot of Republican members of Congress who were wishing that they had come up with this idea, but ultimately trustworthiness is a big issue for Donald Trump as it is for Hillary Clinton.

As we've seen in the polling, Republican and Democrats are about to nominate the two most unlikable nominees that they've nominated in generations. This is a bad choice that America is facing. I think why more and more people are saying they can't vote for Donald Trump and they can't vote for Hillary Clinton. America is in a tough spot right now.

CABRERA: Maria, does this new audiotape have Democrats salivating?

CARDONA: Well, I just think it adds to our father, that's for sure. But no, I think that there are a lot more serious issues and frankly more damaging issues for Donald Trump that Democrats and Hillary Clinton are going to be underscoring. And that is his proposals or lack thereof in terms of seriousness of those proposals, of what he plans to do with a country if, God forbid, he becomes commander-in- chief. You know, his ideas on foreign policy, this week you had two former CIA directors say that those ideas are dangerous, that Democrats will underscore the fact that he will be a loose cannon in the White House, that Americans cannot trust this man, who has never, ever fought for anybody except for himself and his own self-interest. He has no record of accomplishments on behalf of people who need a voice and who need a champion, and that's going to be the message of Hillary Clinton going into the general election --

LORD: Well, I would --

CARDONA: She will win a different electorate and she will win that contrast every single time.

CABRERA: Jeffrey, go ahead.

[17:20:18] LORD: I would beg to differ. Donald Trump has provided jobs, created jobs for tens of thousands of people. Hillary Clinton has never provided a job for a single soul in her life. She's just been in government all the time. That's what she does. So --

CABRERA: Well, and --

LORD: We have to start matching that record, boy, that's a good record to talk about.

CABRERA: Yes. Let's do it.

HEYE: Ana, this is where I would say that I think that they are both right and they are both wrong. Donald Trump has had a long track record of supporting Democrats, he's have a long track record of supporting Hillary Clinton, it's one of the reasons that so many Republicans are very hesitant to get on board behind Trump, not just people like myself who have said, that they'll never vote for Donald Trump but members of Congress and senators who just don't like what's happening right now because they know that Donald Trump's a lifelong liberal Democrat.

CABRERA: And we put you in the middle, Doug, because you do have a little bit of a connection to both people. Thank you, all, for being here with us.

Jeffrey Lord, Doug, Maria Cardona, we appreciate it.

HEYE: Thank you, Ana.

LORD: Thank you.

CARDONA: Thank you.

CABRERA: You can see more of the interview with the reporter who interviewed Trump on "SMERCONISH" coming up next hour.

The outrage spreading like wildfire. Conservatives across the South are upset over the government's transgender school bathroom guidelines. Now the Obama administration is doubling down on states who refuse to follow them.

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[17:25:14] CABRERA: Well, it might not be the law, but the debate is heating up over the Obama administration's transgender bathroom guidelines. These guidelines say schools should allow transgender students to use the restrooms or locker rooms based on the gender in which they identify. The government has even threatened to withhold Title 9 funding for schools that do not follow the guidelines. Opponents say this is the government going way too far.

Here's CNN'S Nick Valencia.

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LT. GOV. DAN PATRICK (R), TEXAS: We will not yield to blackmail from the President of the United States.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The federal government calls them guidelines, but several states, including Texas, see them more as a threat.

PATRICK: This goes against the values of so many people. It has nothing to do with anyone being against the transgender child.

VALENCIA: At a Friday morning press conference, Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick says, a line has been crossed by the federal government after the Department of Justice sent a letter on transgender bathroom use in public schools across the United States.

PATRICK: I'm telling all the superintendents in Texas right now, you have about three weeks left of the school year. Do not enact this policy.

VALENCIA: In the letter, Attorney General Loretta Lynch writes, there is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex. Under the guidelines, public schools that receive federal money are obligated to treat students consistent with their gender identity, even if the records indicate a different sex. Access sex segregated facilities consistent with the student's gender identity and protect a student's privacy related to their transgender status.

The actions sets the stage for a legal battle that's been in the making since March. House Bill 2 in North Carolina began the recent controversy. The law requires trans people to use the public restroom related to the gender on their birth certificate, not how they identify. Candis Cox has been one of the most outspoken against the law, she's a transgender woman, and has met with the North Carolina governor.

CANDIS COX, TRANSGENDER ACTIVIST: The fact that we are not talking about transgender people and who they are, but rather we don't want someone who looks like a man or looks like a woman but identifies as the opposite gender, it lets me know that we're still discriminating on esthetics.

VALENCIA: North Carolina and the Feds have traded accusations and lawsuits, some states including Arkansas and Texas insist there's been government overreach. The Feds say, civil rights have been violated.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY (R), NORTH CAROLINA: This is not just a North Carolina issue. This is now a national issue.

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VALENCIA: The guidance is the most detailed outline given by the Federal government regarding what they think should happen with transgender bathroom use, and earlier today in a commencement address, head of the civil rights division or the Department of Justice seemed to double down on those comments saying in part, efforts like House Bill 2 in North Carolina not only violates the laws that govern our nation, but also the values that define us as people -- Ana.

CABRERA: All right, Nick Valencia reporting, thank you. Just ahead, a former American vice president is telling us voters will likely choose Donald Trump to be the next president.

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DAN QUAYLE, 44TH VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I do think he can win. I think he can win because this is clearly the year of the antiestablishment, if you will. So, if you want more of the same, Republicans or Democrats, more of the political mess in Washington, I mean, you got the quintessential establishment candidate in Hillary Clinton --

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CABRERA: Dan Quayle explains why he's taking the opposite view of his former boss, President Bush 41, next.

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[17:32:15] CABRERA: He served in the House, the Senate, and for four years as George H.W. Bush's vice president, so Indiana Republican Dan Quayle is more than qualified to talk about possible running mates for Donald Trump.

CNN special correspondent, Jamie Gangel, sat down with him earlier this week to discuss. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: So what do you think about presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump?

DAN QUAYLE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He is the presumptive nominee. The party has to unite around him.

GANGEL: Has to?

QUAYLE: They have to. They will. There's a few holdouts, always, but you point out the hold outs, who will get a lot of air time on CNN and other networks, but by and large, they will rally around him. We have to step back. A year ago, I put myself in this camp. Nobody thought that Trump would be the nominee, or very few people.

GANGEL: What do you think was going to happen?

QUAYLE: Normal sorting out process, the cream usually goes to the top, right? And I didn't realize Trump would be the cream that got to the top. I totally misjudged his ability to win. For somebody that has really no experience in politics, to be able to start off and to win with a strong field and not even go to the convention, that he's the presumptive nominee a month before we have our final primaries, it's quite remarkable. It shows that he is a winner. He knows how to win.

GANGEL: You will support him? You will vote for him? No reservations?

QUAYLE: Well, as of now, unless something happens that I don't know. But, no, he's the nominee of the party, and the party needs to unite around him, I think that they with. He'll be having a meeting with Paul Ryan, and I think that meeting will go reasonably well. I think that --

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GANGEL: Do you know something?

QUAYLE: No. I will say this. Paul Ryan, in my view, will support our nominee. There's very little doubt in my mind. For a couple reasons. One, you know, he's a team player. He's got a big team in the House of Representatives. Second reason is that most of the caucus, I'd say, probably 85-90 percent of the caucus, is going to support Trump.

GANGEL: President Bush '41, President Bush '43 have declined to support Trump. Mitt Romney called him a phony and a fraud. Ted Cruz called him a pathological liar. Should they all come around?

[17:34:58] QUAYLE: There's going to be some that sit out and some that vote for Hillary Clinton. I hope those that said they will not support him now, I hope they reconsider, and before they cast their vote on Election Day in November, would end up voting for him. If not, don't show up. GANGEL: You think Donald Trump can win?

QUAYLE: I do think he can win. I think he can win because this is clearly the year of the anti-establishment, if you will. So if you want more of the same, Republicans or Democrats, more of the political mess in Washington, I mean, you've got the quintessential establishment candidate in Hillary Clinton.

GANGEL: One of the big concerns about Trump is that he does not have the temperament, the character to be president. Lindsey Graham said he would not trust him with nuclear weapons. Do you have any of those concerns?

QUAYLE: Trump is just one Republican nomination, at least a presumptive nominee, and he won in a very competitive race. He's a winner. He knows how to win. Now he's got to run a general election. He, I'm sure, is going to, as he said, "change my demeanor, change my strategy, change my approach," so people will start to look at him differently, and they'll be making the judgment of whether he has the temperament or the gravitas or the ability to be in the Oval Office and make those decisions, because I'm sure he knows this, winning the nomination is one thing, winning the general election is another thing.

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CABRERA: All right. That was Jamie Gangel reporting.

Now the presidential contenders battle for more delegates in two states this week. Watch our all-day coverage of the Kentucky and Oregon primaries Tuesday right here on CNN.

After the break, one year ago, a biker brawl in Waco, Texas, left nine bikers dead. But some so-called motorcycle club members think incidents like that give them a bad rap.

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PETE "BIG PETE" JAMES, CHICAGO OUTLAWS MOTORCYCLE CLUB MEMBER: This has nothing to do with do-gooders or philanthropist or choir boys. But on the other hand, it's not a great big criminal enterprise that everybody thinks.

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CABRERA: We have a sneak peek at a CNN special that goes inside that Texas shootout, next.

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[17:41:06] CABRERA: It's been a year since one of the deadliest shootout in outlaw biker history. Last May, nine people were killed, dozens were injured as two rival motor cycle clubs opened fire on each other in a restaurant in Waco, Texas.

In a special report, CNN's Ed Lavandera takes you into a world where cameras have never been before to show us what life is really like for one of the most dangerous and violent motorcycle clubs in the world. Take a look.

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MATTHEW HORACE, FORMER ATF AGENT: These are people that are the worst of the worst, baddest of the bad. Not every member is an outlaw, but certainly, there are members in the organizations that report and commit criminal acts.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The majority of America's motorcycle clubs preach comradery and a love of riding. But in some clubs, there's a more sinister side.

JAMES: This has got nothing to do with do-gooders and philanthropists or choir boys. But on the other hand, it's not this great huge criminal enterprise that everybody thinks.

LAVANDERA: And Pete James would know. For 16 years, he was president of the notorious Chicago Outlaws. On the street, he goes by Big Pete.

JAMES: The Banditos are one of the largest clubs in the world. They have chapters all over. They are a powerful club, and they are One Percenters.

LAVANDERA: One Percenters, like the Bandidos, believe the rules that apply to 99 percent of us don't apply to them.

(on camera): One Percenter biker clubs are considered outlaws. These bikers hardly talk, but we managed to get exclusive access to the two rival clubs involved in the Waco shootout.

The president of the Bandidos lives in this rural neighborhood north of Houston. Behind these trees and this iron gate he's never allowed cameras inside, until now.

JEFF PIKE, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, BANDIDOS MOTORCYCLE CLUB: Come here, you guys. You hungry? Come on.

LAVANDERA: It's interesting to come out here. This is real peaceful and quiet out here. In a lot of ways, your life is not peaceful and quiet right now.

PIKE: Not right now, it isn't, but it has been for a decade.

LAVANDERA (voice-over): Jeff Pike has worn the Bandidos vest for more than 35 years. He's been their national president for the last 10.

PIKE: The new Banditos are not the old Bandidos ones. We get along with everybody, except one.

LAVANDERA (on camera): And that's the one we're here about.

PIKE: Correct. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CABRERA: That was Ed Lavandera reporting.

You don't miss the special he's been working hard on. CNN special report, "Biker Brawl, Inside the Texas Shootout," airs Monday night at 9:00 eastern here on CNN.

One of the wealthiest cities in the nation is San Diego, California. Less than an hour away, across the border, in Tijuana, Mexico, many families are living in desperate poverty, without running water, no electricity, no proper shelter. That's where this week's "CNN Hero," Paula Claussen, lends a helping hand.

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PAULA CLAUSSEN, CNN HERO: It's important to remember that these families that we're helping in Mexico are our neighbors. They are just right across the border. It's night and day, the difference. We are helping the communities come together, and we are teaching them that there is love in the world, that other people do care about them.

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[17:44:06] CABRERA: What a lady.

To see how Paula Claussen changes an entire family's life in just one day, go to CNNheros.com. And while there, nominate someone you think deserves to be a "CNN Hero."

We're back in a moment.

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CABRERA: When female journalists appear on television, we get messages afterwards. And I'm not talking fan mail or notes of encouragement. We like those. Oftentimes, it's harassment. When FOX News Anchor Megyn Kelly pushed back on Donald Trump, calling some his remarks sexist, well, her Twitter feed exploded, ugly insults were thrown at her, calling her a bimbo -- and those are tamer tweets. Others are too graphic to repeat on live television.

A colleague of mine, "CNN Money" tech correspondent, Laurie Segall, has covered technology trends and cyber security for years, and she wrote about her experience receiving tweets, saying, "I received harassing tweets for months. I'm grossed out by the anonymity of the web, the lack of empathy people feel behind the blanket of the Internet."

Laurie Segall is joining me now.

Laurie, you bring up such a good issue that often goes un-talked about.

When you read tweets, it's baffling. Read some more to us.

[17:50:07] LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Of course. They are not pleasant. Let me warn you of that.

This is one I got, "Laurie, I just watched your interview with Evan Williams of Twitter. You are a fine looking" -- fill in the blank -- "I want to" -- -- fill in the blank -- "call me. He did not leave his number, thankfully.

(LAUGHTER)

Another response I got to the article I wrote about some of the harassments, "Your mere presence is harassing to humanity. You are a black hole that sucks everything that is real and good out of the world."

Another one, because we're not finished yet, "Oh, quit whining, grow thicker skin if you pretend to be an adult."

Nothing great.

CABRERA: Those are the cleaner messages, if you can believe it.

SEGALL: Right.

CABRERA: Some of them are so crass we can't even read them on our air. When you read those tweets, what goes through your mind?

SEGALL: It's interesting, because we see them, we ignore them, and you get this idea OF why should we ignore them? It doesn't feel good. And I think sometimes people forget that there might be a screen between us, but we're human, and we think and we feel, and this is a larger story about technology. Because with all the incredible promise of technology, there is also the bad, right? We might feel this as female journalists, but this is also happening on a larger scale to teenagers, who are reading tweets about themselves --

CABRERA: The online bullying.

SEGALL: The online bullying. And so female journalists are now seeing in this current political cycle are getting harassed, like what you're talking about with Megyn Kelly. So I think there's potentially a more nuanced conversation to have about this and the promise of the web and the promise of the freedom of speech and what we can say, but also about some of that darker side.

CABRERA: What kind of responsibility -- you're a tech reporter -- do you think these social media companies have in terms of trying to weed out online harassment?

SEGALL: I think -- I mean, I think they have a huge responsibility. I think they're working on this. And this is one of the biggest things for tech companies. This is a real business initiative here, right, because we don't want to keep going on these platforms if we're going to get harassed over and over again. A lot of them are working on it. Facebook has done a pretty good job trying to filter out a lot of the spam. They just launched Facebook Live. And I just did a Facebook Live chat with my colleague, Brain Stelter, and the comments were unbelievable. CABRERA: Just more sickening comments.

SEGALL: Yeah, sickening comments. And Twitter has a problem, too. People can say whatever they want, oftentimes, and I spoken with security folks who say maybe there are learning models you can build, algorithms you can build, but I think we need to continue to have this conversation and speak out about this harassment. And also help law enforcement understand. There should be legislation at some point. I think there is a lot we can do, and it takes getting to this point where we have to talk about it to get it out there.

CABRERA: In this business, we're often told to have thick skin, or we tell ourselves, ignore it. You roll your eyes, let the comments roll off your back. It's easier said than done. But the reality is we're in a position where people judge. Why not just let those comments roll off your back, or what do you tell those people who say that's the answer?

SEGALL: You know, I think it's easy to do that and, oftentimes, maybe it's best for folks to do that. I think sometimes women speak out and they feel power, and they feel like they've regained that control they lose when people are speaking at them, when they actually speak out about this kind of stuff. I think it depends on who you are, if you want to talk about this. If you want to just kind of ignore it, no judgment either way. But for me, I got so many of these harassing tweets for so long I felt I had to say something. I was very impressed at the amount of other people who spoke out and said incredible things and tweeted their support, and women who also shared very similar stories.

CABRERA: Thank you for sharing your story and being brave and courageous to come forward. Maybe it will make some people think twice before they send that next vulgar tweet.

Thanks, Laurie.

SEGALL: Thank you.

CABRERA: We'll be right back.

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[17:57:52] CABRERA: So they are too young to vote, but not too young to have an opinion of the race for the White House.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm too young to vote.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm too young to vote.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I may be too young to vote.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I may be too young to vote.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But I'm not too young to care about the nation's security and the way our veterans are treated.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not too young to release as a democratic nation, we have to rise above discrimination and prejudice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not too young to listen and to apply what's best for my future as an American

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not too young to want a moderate president who will get bipartisan support and unite a divided country.

KELLY WALLACE, CNN DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: You want that? Really? Is that even possible? Is that possible?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Honestly, sometimes, it doesn't seem like it.

WALLACE: Thomas, what did you write? Too young to vote but not too young to?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To realize our country is sinking and we desperately need a leader who is able and willing to bring it afloat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I may be too young to vote, but I'm not too young to know the election is more about pushing party agendas than being flexible to benefit the nation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I may be too young to vote, but I'm not too young to worry about my future as a woman in a student (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm #toyoungtovote, but I'm not too young to recognize that every criticism of a fundamental ideology is bigotry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm too young to vote but not to young to recognize that climate change is a result of human activity and must be a top priority.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He passed away because of 9/11. He was working in the World Trade Center. And I just think we need to focus more on our nation's security because that shouldn't have happened.

WALLACE: What are your biggest concerns right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just the prejudice going around and all the hate. Make America the land of the free again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I want to see from the next president probably would be a sign of leadership. In every aspect of his life he shows leadership, and really set an example for the rest of the country to follow him as our president, the top guy.

WALLACE: Or gal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or gal, yeah

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're the people who are going to be running the country soon, so you're going to have to start listening to us.

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CABRERA: Some smart kiddos, no?

Up next on CNN, Michael Smerconish's interview with the "People" magazine reporter who spoke to Donald Trump's alleged spokesman in 1991, a person who may have been Trump himself.

I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. I'll see you back here in an hour.

"Smerconish" starts now.