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Aired May 15, 2016 - 18:00 ET
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[18:00:02] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: "The Washington Post" reporting just this morning, Mitt Romney and a, quote, "band of exasperated Republicans" are actively searching for an independent willing to challenge Trump. The only problem, no potential candidates are saying yes.
Those in the "no thank" spot include billionaire and Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. He's now saying he was recruited to run but he believes it's simply too late. He tells CNN, quote, "I think the time is right for a technology literate entrepreneur to run for president. The issue for any such candidate is that the process is broken. It's a circus rather than a learning process for all involved."
Now, one of the most powerful Republicans in the country said a third party effort to topple Donald Trump is just doomed to fail. Listen.
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REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: They can try to hijack another party and get on the ballot. But, look, it's a suicide mission for our country because what it means is you're throwing down not just eight years of the White House but potentially 100 years on the Supreme Court, and wrecking this country for many generations. So, I think that's the legacy these folks will leave behind. I think it's very dangerous and there's other ways to get assurances on the things that they are worried about.
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CABRERA: Trump had a tough week, filled with those questions about his past. Trump says he will not release his taxes until after his audit is complete and Trump is hitting back after reports that he allegedly posed as his own publicist years ago while speaking to reporters on the phone.
I want to bring in national correspondent Scott.
Scott, tell us how Trump is handling these rising controversies.
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Hey, Ana. Well, you're absolutely right. Donald Trump has been put on the defensive this weekend for sure. First, he continues to deny it was his voice on a 1991 recording of a
"People" magazine interview with a man named Jon Miller claiming to be Trump's publicist. In an interview with "The New York Times", Trump said this, "Do you know how many people I have imitating my voice now? It's like everybody."
Trump is also taking heat from Hillary Clinton over the fact that he is yet to release his tax returns. He told "The Times" that there is nothing in the returns that would be politically damaging. And then a top aide, Paul Manafort, told CNN's Jake Tapper this morning that Trump would like to make them public.
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PAUL MANAFORT, SENIOR ADVISER, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN: He's said he will release his tax returns. Never changed his position. What he has said is he is under audit and once it is completed, he will release the taxes.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Why not release the ones from before the audit? Why not release -- if 2015 -- first of all, the IRS says you can release them to the public even if they're under audit. But why not release 2014, 2013, 2012, and just put this issue to rest?
MANAFORT: Well, as I understand it, the audit is going on for the last eight years, of going back eight years worth of tax returns. And anything beyond eight years is not going to be reflective of anything other than interest on the part of the media.
TAPPER: You're saying that the audit is for eight years worth of returns?
MANAFORT: That's what I'm led to believe, yes.
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MCLEAN: Well, President Obama is also taking shots at Trump just not by name. During a commencement speech at Rutgers University in New Jersey, Obama had this to say about Trump's proposed Muslim ban.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Disparaging Muslims, suggesting they should be treated differently when it comes to entering this country. That is not just a betrayal of our values, that's a betrayal of who we are. It would alienate the very communities at home and abroad who are our most important partners in the fight against violent extremism.
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MCLEAN: Now, for his part, Trump is off the campaign trail tonight. He's at the University of Pennsylvania watching his daughter graduate. Incidentally, Vice President Joe Biden is also there to watch his granddaughter walk across the stage -- Ana.
CABRERA: Scott McLean, our thanks to you.
Trump certainly off the campaign trail but tweeting away. We're going to talk more about that.
Do voters really care about Donald Trump's taxes or whether or not Trump allegedly posed as his own publicist? Well, if you ask supporters, the answer is no. Watch this.
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PRIEBUS: All of these stories that come out and they come out every couple of weeks, people just don't care.
It's a little odd but I will tell you that I think of all of the things facing this country right now, and after being through this primary for a year, I can assure you that that particular issue is not going to move the electorate.
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: This is a media thing. A New York/Washington media deal here and people out here in the real world who are trying to earn a living, who are concerned about their jobs, their health care, et cetera, they could care less about it.
MANAFORT: This is an issue the media is interested in. It's not an issue that Middle America is interested in.
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CABRERA: Let's talk it over with our panel. Joining me, political commentator Tara Setmayer, and Penny Nance is back with us, the CEO of Concerned Women for America and the author of "Feisty & Feminine: A Rallying Cry for Conservative Women".
[18:05:04] Penny, do voters really not care about these issues or is it just Trump can do no harm in the eyes of his supporters?
PENNY NANCE, CEO, CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA: Listen, Ana, I kept waiting during the earlier primary season for things to catch up with him, things that I thought he could never survive, and I was constantly surprised that things did not stick to him. He's Teflon.
And I guess I have to agree with Reince Priebus. I don't think this will stick to him. I think that eventually, you know, the media will tire of it and move on.
CABRERA: Tara, House Speaker Paul Ryan gave some props to Trump for his unconventional ways, which has helped to bring new people to the party. Listen and we'll talk on the back of it.
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REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We also want to make sure that we have the kind of campaign going forward that is appealing and unifying. Donald Trump should be given a ton of credit for advancing and widening the playing field. He's bringing new voters to the Republican Party by the millions, and that's very impressive. What we want to make sure going forward is that we're doing nothing but adding voters to the Republican Party column and not doing anything that subtracts voters going forward.
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CABRERA: Tara, Ryan says they have to add and at the same time not subtract. Can you really have it both ways?
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Listen, I wrote a piece for CNN.com on Friday basically saying that Donald Trump puts the GOP in an impossible situation. And for Paul Ryan, he really is in an impossible position, trying to defend Donald Trump and the Republican Party and what he's done, what Trump has said and done in his history, and God only knows what he will do and say moving forward, and still maintain cover for the Republicans down ballot that could potentially be negatively affected by Donald Trump's candidacy. I mean, it's very difficult.
But I find this political gymnastic routine going on here, by people who know good and well that Donald Trump does not represent conservatism first of all. He is a terrible representative of what the Republican Party stands for and he is completely -- most of his positions, thus far, have been anathema to expanding the Republican Party as a big tent. So, this song and dance now people are supposed to just forget all of those things and act like they didn't happen and move forward and defend him and excuse away that behavior that we as a party would never tolerate if this were going on on the other side is quite difficult. I'm not sure how it will play out moving forward.
CABRERA: Tara, you are not convinced.
Penny, I know you were a Ted Cruz support early on. What's your take on this, this effort, including Romney trying to get a third party candidate to topple Trump?
NANCE: Two things. I think that Donald Trump is the second worst presidential candidate that we have to vote on. He's surpassed, though, by Hillary Clinton who would be a disaster.
And I cannot in any way, shape or form support anything that would make her president and that would be a third party candidacy.
And, you know, listen, I appreciate the fact that everyone has to listen to their own conscience. I agree with that. Ands there are more assurances I want to hear before I can give full-throated support of Donald Trump. I have concerns but as unpredictable as he is, Hillary Clinton is completely predictable as a liberal who will help to tear down and destroy this country.
And then, finally, I would say that Mitt Romney, it's really just so hypocritical to me when so many of us wanted other candidates last time around and swallowed hard and tried to put lipstick on a pig and get him elected in 2012. For him not to give the same courtesy and respect to another candidate is more than I can take.
CABRERA: I want to read you something about what Donald Trump is now saying today following this scathing "New York Times" report that came out talking about his treatment of women over the past decade in the work place and in private, talking about him being misogynistic, really focusing on their looks, making unwanted romantic gestures. Well, the Trump campaign and Donald Trump himself is tweeting this, firing off a whole bunch of tweets. The latest one reading, "The media is really on a witch hunt against me. False reporting and plenty of it but we will prevail."
Is this just a media witch hunt? Does deflection work?
SETMAYER: No, I mean, listen, you are running for the presidency. In the past, this is what has gone on. And, you know, we can argue whether the media is fair or not to Republicans. I think history has shown how that goes.
But this is not abnormal. You are supposed to go back and fully vet someone that's running for the presidency. He can call it a witch hunt and he can try play the victim all he wants because that's what he is good at. When he gets caught or held to account, then, all of a sudden, everybody else's fault, everybody is making it up and we're all idiots.
[18:10:00] Just like, you know, trying to convince us, sending his surrogates out there, he himself, trying to convince us that that's not his voice on that tape, pretending to be his own PR guy. He admitted it to this back in the '90s. He admitted to it under oath for goodness sakes.
So, this is just something that Donald Trump better get used to because, you know, I have been saying for months that Donald Trump is not properly vetted during the primary and that Democrats are going to sit back on this five-foot oppo book I'm sure they have on Donald Trump and this is just the beginning of this onslaught, and this is part of the hesitation by people like Paul Ryan who are principled conservatives. This is part of hesitation or full throttle support of Donald Trump because God only knows what else they have got they will throw at him that's going to be labeled as, see, Republicans, this is what you guys support as we move on. We'vce got six months to go.
CABRERA: There's still a lot of time before the general election. It's been interesting. Could get even more interesting.
Tara Setmayer, thank you to both of you for joining us.
NANCE: Thank you.
SETMAYER: Thank you.
CABRERA: So Trump may be the presumptive nominee on the GOP side, but the Democrats you'll recall are still battling it out. Two more states are up for grabs this week. You can watch all-day coverage of the Kentucky and Oregon primary on Tuesday, right here on CNN.
Still ahead this hour, taxes and audiotapes. Donald Trump op the defensive this weekend. I will talk to a woman who worked very closely with the New York businessman for years who says you shouldn't always take what Trump says as face value.
Plus, a return to Waco. It was the scene of a bloody biker brawl and now CNN takes you inside the deadly shootout between two rival gangs.
And then later, walking the beat. CNN's W. Kamau Bell hits the streets of Camden, New Jersey, as he tries to understand the growing divide there between police and black communities, not just there but all over America. We'll take you there. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
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[18:15:03] CABRERA: Donald Trump's treatment of women now in the white hot spotlight after a "New York Times" article, suggesting a pattern of unprofessional behavior, objectifying women over the years. The head of the Republican National Committee said today, this is something Trump will have to answer for. Let's talk it over with a woman who knows Trump well.
Kate Bohner, she co-authored a book with Trump in 1997 called "Trump: The Art of the Comeback." She is now chief marketing communications and research officer for DMS Offshore Investment Services.
Kate, thanks for being with us.
I want to read you from the article in Saturday's "New York Times." It says interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition and unsettling workplace conduct over decades. Does this sound like the Donald Trump you know?
KATE BOHNER, CO-AUTHOR, "TRUMP: THE ART OF THE COMEBACK": No. I can't say that "New York Times" writers say it was over six weeks, they interviewed 50 women, you know, who had sit in the room with him, who had worked for him, and -- but that was not my experience. My experience working from Mr. Trump was he was missing (INAUDIBLE) the vibe of working at the Trump Organization. So, when these anecdotes are pulled out of context, it doesn't, can I just give you an example?
CABRERA: Yes, please.
BOHNER: I was there when this famous quote Marla Maples, page six, the best sex I ever had, and Donald Trump walking, doing sort of a mini-victory lap.
CABRERA: Bragging about it.
BOHNER: But it was in good fun. Look at this guy. What I happening -- and I have the greatest respect for Barbara Res. I mean, she's a terrific woman who ran old construction for Trump. And she's quoting here saying the people that worked at the Trump Organization were horrified.
I tend to disagree. The people that work for Mr. Trump, they get the sort of -- not that they get the joke, but they understand that he is a flamboyant man and that you will expect this.
CABRERA: So, if you know Trump, you just accept some of these idiosyncrasies to put it lightly.
BOHNER: I mean, he is a big personality. I always say, the two components of his brand are direct aggressive, aggressive direct.
CABRERA: But knowing that, knowing that aggressive and direct personality, if somebody did feel uncomfortable, would they dare speak up?
BOHNER: All I'm saying with this particular antidote. I can't say with Miss Universe. I wasn't there. But with this particular anecdote, I really believe that they would self select out of working for Mr. Trump.
He would not fire them. He wouldn't terminate them based on the fact that if they wanted to live a life that's may be more politically correct or that kind of thing. But I think working at the Trump organization, I used to call my mom and say it's like working for a professional football team. I've never been a football player, by the way, I every day going in to game and what are with doing, we're blocking, we're tackling.
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BOHNER: There was so much support.
CABRERA: Well, you are a beautiful woman.
BOHNER: Thank you.
CABRERA: Did Trump ever comment on your looks?
BOHNER: No.
CABRERA: No?
BOHNER: Mr. Trump -- it's so funny, that's why when I read these (INAUDIBLE) out of context. Trump was more paternal to me. He was -- I always felt he -- first of all, I was 30 years old and an editor and writer at "Forbes" magazine. Yes, I had my own column, but for Mr. Trump to give me the opportunity to write -- co-author his book, I was 30. It changed my life forever. It changed my career.
And he was -- I mean, I really -- I got in trouble once writing for Trump. I was covering the Miss Universe contest and I made a mistake. I ran off my mouth and I got back to New York and heard that Mr. Trump wanted to see me and I was terrified. I was terrified. I went to see him in his office and he was very stoic and very dark. I realized I was in trouble.
When he was talking -- first of all, I was wrong. But when he was talking to me, it felt like he wanted me to win in the end. He wanted --
CABRERA: There was a team camaraderie that you really felt.
BOHNER: Absolutely. CABRERA: That elevated it.
Before I let you go, you said, you know, it was OK that he would say some of these things because you didn't take it seriously. You saw it all in good fun.
BOHNER: That's him. That's his personality.
CABRERA: The fact he made women like yourself, helped you to succeed in the career does it excuse some of these comments that could be perceived as disparaging or disrespectful to women?
BOHNER: Does it excuse it? I didn't answer that question. I think Mr. Trump, we should accept who he is as a person -- the good stuff and some of the things that are perceived negatively. I don't think he is going to change. I think he's been this way for a very lock time.
You know, I'm not going to defend remarks that made people feel bad, certainly Miss Universe triggering an eating disorder, but I can only share my experience and what it was like for me working for Mr. Trump and that, you know, he gave me great opportunity and I had a wonderful experience.
[18:20:00] CABRERA: Kate Bohner, thank you so much for shedding some light for us. Good to have you.
BOHNER: Thanks.
CABRERA: Well, there's been another violent deadly attack in Iraq, the latest of many recently. ISIS claiming responsibility for this explosive attack outside of Baghdad. At the same time, Americans are changing their view of how troops are taking to the fight to terrorists.
A senior member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee will join me, next.
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CABRERA: Welcome back.
Some new video just in. You see Donald Trump and his wife Melania. His son joining him here in Philadelphia where he is attending a graduation ceremony for his daughter Tiffany. It's not just Trump who's going to be here.
Ironically, the Vice President Joe Biden also has a family member graduating today from the same university. Granddaughter Naomi for the vice president. So, again, just monitoring this event for you. I'll let you know if anything comes of it.
Meantime, let's talk about ISIS. It's been a rough, rough weekend. Very sadly, fresh brutal attack in Iraq today claimed by ISIS now responsible for the death of ten people. It was a two-car suicide bombing a gas processing plant outside of Baghdad. The pictures are really dramatic. ISIS linking the attack now,
killing 100 people in just the past few days, suicide bombings, explosion, gun violence.
[18:25:07] It's an alarming spike of violence happening. At the same time the political landscape in Iraq is just a mess with the government trying to survive. The economy there is in shambles.
And yet, at the same time -- this is interesting -- American people who were recently asked their opinion of how the fight against ISIS is going, 45 percent of people polled say the fight against ISIS is going well, and that's up from 38 percent who gave the same answer five months ago.
I want to talk to Congressman Brad Sherman about this. He is the second ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
Congressman, thanks for joining us.
REP. BRAD SHERMAN (D-CA), HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE: Good to be with you, Ana.
CABRERA: First, your thoughts on this new wave of ISIS violence in Iraq. Just how hopeful are you that stability can be achieved?
SHERMAN: Well, we're not going to achieve stability anytime soon, both in the Baghdad government but also taking care of ISIS. ISIS uses guerrilla warfare, terrorism and conventional warfare. They have lost about 25 percent of their territory over the last couple of years, but they continue to be potent and inspiring terrorism in the United States, conducting terrorism in Europe as well as conducting terrorism in Baghdad. And it's going to be a while before they are destroyed.
CABRERA: More than 100 people killed this week in Iraq. IISIS claiming responsibility for a series of attacks, attacks that led to that.
SHERMAN: It's much worse than that, 100 people were killed in Baghdad. There were reporters in Baghdad. So, we're going to see that.
But every day of the week, ISIS is killing hundreds of people, raping, beheading, genocide against these Yazidi people. We don't se that because it's not in Baghdad. It's nowhere close to a camera.
But one shouldn't think that is' evil is limited to what goes on in Baghdad.
CABRERA: What you just described, is this a sign that ISIS is getting more confident or are they getting more desperate?
SHERMAN: They are using terrorism as a tactic to try to inspire their followers. I think they are in a bit of a downward spiral but not an immediate one. Their recruitment is down, their territory is down, but their effective terrorism both in Europe and in Baghdad is up. So, we're going to have to continue to conduct operations against
them. Our bombing operation is much smaller than it tends to be portrayed. It's -- we had maybe 700 sorties a day against Saddam Hussein. We're doing about 11 a day against ISIS. And rules of engagement for dealing with ISIS caused us to ignore strategic targets for fear of hitting just one civilian. You can't conduct a strategic bombing that way.
So, there are things we can do without forces on the ground that will help us to defeat ISIS. Every day that we shorten ISIS' reign, we save the people that would otherwise be raped, beheaded and starved and subject to all of the harm that you can't photograph for CNN.
CABRERA: Let's talk about the implications for this year's elections. Donald Trump, presumptive GOP nominee, wants to ramp up the fight against ISIS. Hillary Clinton says she will stay the course. How do you see the Obama plan changing next year, depending on who the next president is?
SHERMAN: I saw what Donald Trump had to say. He just declared he would end ISIS very quickly but didn't say how. He implied he had some magic, secret plan that would allow us to deal with ISIS. I invited him to come before the Foreign Affairs Committee in confidential session to see what his secret plan was.
I don't think he has a plan to deal with ISIS. He just implies he has a plan in order to get votes. Given how many people ISIS is killing every day, if Donald Trump has a plan, he ought to share it with the Pentagon and Congress in closed session.
CABRERA: Let's change gears and talk a little bit about the environmental disaster in Porter Ranch, California, your district. Newly conducted air dust samples there still not good and the money needed to clean things up has gone through the roof. What are you doing to help get thousands of people back in to their homes there?
SHERMAN: Well, most people have come back. I happen to live in Porter Ranch. Most of my neighbors are back.
We need to get SoCalGas to pay for the kind of special cleaning that's going to be needed in homes for several miles around the site, in order to deal with the dust that has toxic metals in it. That's just one of many steps. We also have to make it clear that all of the costs of this are not passed to the consumers. They need to be born by SoCalGas and its shareholders.
[18:30:07] They need to be borne by SoCal Gas and its shareholders.
CABRERA: Congressman Brad Sherman, thank you for joining us.
SHERMAN: Thank you.
CABRERA: Coming up, Kentucky votes for the Democratic primary Tuesday and of course both presidential hopefuls on the Democratic side are there today. Clinton hoping to put a stop to Sanders' twp-state winning streak. So what will a Kentucky win mean for each of the candidates? We'll discuss.
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CABRERA: We showed you Trump, now we're showing you Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill arriving there at Franklin Field at the University of Pennsylvania where their granddaughter Naomi will be graduating today, along with Trump's daughter Tiffany. So both the vice president and Donald Trump and his wife Melania are there at the University of Pennsylvania. Neither are expected to speak, but they are being grandparents or in Trump's case just plain dad.
All right. Let's talk about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. The Democrats trying to drum up votes in Kentucky ahead of Tuesday's primary. And Clinton really looking for a win after she got bumped last week in West Virginia. A victory could go a long way toward slowing Sanders' momentum. She spent her morning visiting two churches before a rally aimed at the state's working class voters.
And let's talk more about this. Former New York City council speaker and Clinton surrogate is joining me now, Christine Quinn.
Christine, good to have you here.
CHRISTINE QUINN, CLINTON SURROGATE: Thank you.
CABRERA: Thanks for spending some of your weekend with us.
QUINN: Of course.
CABRERA: Do you worry that West Virginia could be a precursor for what's going to happen in Kentucky?
QUINN: Not at all. Look, I think this race is over. Secretary Clinton has gotten the vast, vast majority of the delegates. It is mathematically impossible for Senator Sanders to win. So did he win headlines last week? Sure. Is he going to win this race? Can he win this race? Absolutely not. Secretary Clinton is going to be the Democratic nominee. I think everyone knows that.
[18:35:04] Now, look, for Sanders supporters and for Senator Sanders, if they feel it's important to run in more primaries to kind of finish things out, if you will, and if that's how Sanders supporters want to express their vision I think that's fine but I have no doubt that when this is done, and it's not just my opinion, the math shows it, that Secretary Clinton will be the nominee and we will have a united party moving forward.
CABRERA: Senator Clinton is spending a lot of time in Kentucky.
QUINN: As she should.
CABRERA: She must feel it's an important state for winning especially the optics. How about on the optics if she doesn't win Kentucky?
QUINN: She has to be in every state where there is a primary. Even though she has -- as I said, and let's be clear, she has three times more delegates than President Obama had at the same time when she dropped out of the race eight years ago. Three times more. But for her not to go, and kind of sit back and put her feet up, would be disrespectful to the Democratic voters who haven't yet voted just because that's where their state ends up on the primary and she's not going to do that.
She is not going to do that, one, because it is not right. Two, because it's not disrespectful -- it's because it's disrespectful and three because she wanted to go out and earn every vote whatever point you're at in the process. And after the primary comes the general and everybody who can vote in Kentucky or any other state that is still out there we want to make sure they are excited and energized and ready to go come November.
CABRERA: Let me ask you about Sanders. He said he's going to be in this until the end. He believed that he does have a chance still if he could turn some of the super delegates who've already committed to Clinton. But if he comes out of Kentucky and Oregon and doesn't win, even if he wins there but doesn't win by a big enough margin, that realistically he needs going forward here, is it time for him to re- evaluate?
QUINN: You know, I have been a candidate and I've been a winning and a losing candidate. And when you are a losing candidate or you know you're not going to prevail it's very difficult. So I would never ever tell anybody in that situation what to do. They have to do what feels right to them, their family and their supporters. And again, if what feels right to the senator and his supporters are to continue talking about the issues that he cares about and allow his supporters to cast their votes, even though they may be at the end of the calendar --
CABRERA: But does that hurt Hillary Clinton?
QUINN: No, absolutely not.
CABRERA: If she goes on to be the nominee?
QUINN: Well, first of all, she will be the nominee. And it doesn't hurt her at all because I have no doubt, even the depth of Senator Sanders' progressive commitment to this country that he will quickly come out and support Secretary Clinton and rally all his supporters to do the same. And look, eight years ago, there was a very similar conversation going on.
CABRERA: Right. You mentioned that. And you sound very confident about Mrs. Clinton and her chances, but is she missing opportunities to go after Trump right now?
QUINN: No. Look, I don't think you've seen her miss any opportunities for going after Trump. I think if you look at the vast majority of the statements that she has made, the vast, vast majority are around Trump, not just because he and she are going to be against each other come November but because honestly what Trump is saying and doing is so outrageous, every American of stature and there's no one with more than Secretary Clinton has an obligation in my opinion to speak out against him.
And that's what she's doing and she hasn't missed an opportunity and I think she has sent a real message about Americans and how they view their country. And that's a country where we want to be united, where we don't want to be targeting immigrants, targeting people who are perceived to be Muslims, targeting women. That's not what this country is about and that's not how she's going to lead us forward.
CABRERA: All right. Well, I have to leave it there. Christine Quinn, thanks for coming.
QUINN: Thank you.
CABRERA: Nice to talk with you.
Straight ahead it was a biker brawl of epic proportions.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There'd be a pause in the gunshots and then you would hear a few more going off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was pretty horrific. There were guys getting hit, falling and I realized that I needed to get away from where I was.
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CABRERA: Ed Lavandera takes us inside the infamous Waco biker shootout next.
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[18:42:56] CABRERA: It was a scene of chaos outside the Texas restaurant one year ago this week. A massive brawl broke out between rival motorcycle clubs leaving nine bikers dead. Now some of the people who were there that day telling their side of the story to CNN's Ed Lavandera.
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ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cossacks, Bandidos. Angry, dangerous and bitter enemies. Months of rage and violence have led to this moment, an all-out battle in the parking lot of a favorite biker hangout.
Hundreds of bullets had been fired as armed police officers are nearby watching. Dozens are down, wounded or dead. And the bloody clash shows no signs of stopping.
JAKE CAMZAL, BANDIDOS BIKER: It would be a pause in the gunshots and then you'd hear a few more go off.
LAVANDERA: Seconds into the showdown, surveillance video shows this biker running from the Twin Peaks patio covered in blood. JOHN WILSON, COSSACKS BIKER: It was pretty horrific. There were guys
getting hit and fallen. And I realized I needed to get away from where I was.
LAVANDERA: Biker John Wilson did get away. You can see him here inside Twin Peaks ducking for cover.
But this man, seen in the red bandana, was not as lucky. He hits another biker in the throat with what looks like a chain. They wrestle to the ground. Then he's struck several times in the head. He's stomped on at least once, and then looks to be shot by a third biker. He seems lifeless as the men he was fighting walk away.
Then another fight breaks out. Look closely as the highlighted biker is shot in the leg during the skirmish. Cossack Richard Kirchner stumbles to the curb and collapses. When the area is secure, members of the Cossacks carry him away for help. Both bikers die at the scene.
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[18:45:11] CABRERA: All right. Ed Lavandera joining me now.
Eddie, this had to have been a kind of overwhelming project because there were so many players involved, all, this video, 177 people arrested, nine people dead. Where are some of these bikers now?
LAVANDERA: Well, you know, it's kind of -- where do you begin, you know, when you try to find the stories that are really crucial to telling what happened there in Waco. But essentially, despite all of that, in the show you will hear from two of the bikers that were closest to the fight and some of the most gory details of what happened there but all of the bikers are kind of under the same umbrella, 177 of them arrested, 154 of them have been criminally indicted so far.
So all of those people, regardless of whether or not the first thing you did was run to the freezer in the Twin Peaks and hide out or duck behind the chairs, as you saw in some of that video, or you were pulling the trigger of a gun, everyone was charged with the same criminal count so -- because of that, many lives kind of still hanging in the balance.
CABRERA: Right.
LAVANDERA: And many people still very angry about the way they've been treated by law enforcement and investigators.
CABRERA: And I would -- I would think that they would be maybe hesitant to talk about this experience and what happened. Did you find it difficult to get people to open up?
LAVANDERA: Well, look, it has been incredibly difficult to get a lot of the people who -- again, getting to the heart of why it happened and how it happened is -- was one of the keys, one of the things we set out to try to accomplish with this -- with this documentary. And getting to those people has been very difficult but a lot of them are incredibly frustrated. So a lot of them view themselves as victims of what happened, regardless of what many people might think about that. So because of that, a lot of frustration and I think that's kind of opened up some people to want to speak out.
CABRERA: To say, hey, this is our side of the story.
LAVANDERA: Right.
CABRERA: And I know you talked to the president of the Bandidos which is a huge deal. You got that exclusive interview.
LAVANDERA: Yes. This is a man who is under federal indictment since Waco. And I think this is probably lost on a lot of people who may remember the initial headlines from back in May. But in January, some seven, eight months later, federal indictment comes down pinpoint going after the top three leaders of the Bandidos national organization and these were guys that were not in Waco. So that opens up a whole new layer of issues that we will explore on the show.
CABRERA: All right. Ed Lavandera, thank you so much.
LAVANDERA: You got it. Thanks.
CABRERA: And CNN Special Report "BIKER BRAWL." You can watch inside the Texas shootout. It airs tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern.
Still to come, the growing trend nationwide. Police reaching out to their communities.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First of all, I'm from here. I was raised here. So I know exactly what you are talking about. And it makes them feel a little bit more at ease. Feeling like, OK, maybe she does get it.
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CABRERA: A look at tonight's episode of "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA." stay with us.
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[18:51:40] CABRERA: As we've explored here on CNN a lot there is a history of strained relations in many cities between police and communities of color, but some cities are really trying to change that in part by hiring officers with a connection to the areas they police. And tonight at 10:00 on "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA" W. Kamau Bell walks the beat here in Camden, New Jersey, to see what community policing looks like.
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W. KAMAU BELL, CNN HOST, "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA": Being from Camden, do you think that helps you sort of patrol and be police officers? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It makes them feel more comfort because
they're like, you don't understand my situation. You didn't go where -- I'm like, wait a minute. First of all, I'm from here, I was raised here so I know exactly what you're talking, and it makes them feel a little bit more at ease.
BELL: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Feeling like, OK, maybe she does get it.
BELL: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She knows what I see and what I've been through, you know, so it makes them a little more comfortable.
BELL: Also doesn't mean they can't BS you in the same way?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They try.
BELL: How are you guys?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's up, man? Hey, man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good to see you, man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're the comedian?
BELL: I am --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just told them that. I just told them that.
BELL (voice-over): Well, looks like the police aren't the only ones with street cred. Walking the beat is hard work because not only does it last for an entire eight-hour shift, but also because Officers Cabrilla and Ty have to convince this neighborhood one person at a time that police aren't jerks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry. I like babies. He's a boy? How old is he?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Four.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's your name? Valerie? Don't be shy. It's OK. Have a nice day, OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You, too.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bye. I love kids.
BELL: Is that part of it? Just talking to people and just being a person?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Because then they're not afraid of you when they see you. BELL: And it doesn't just put a police officer in their face when
something bad happens.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
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CABRERA: With me now from Oakland, California, W. Kamau Bell.
Kamau, good to see you. And you always have that infectious smile even when you're talking about these serious issues. Did you get a sense that these officers that you spent time with were really making a difference in their community?
BELL: I mean, I get the sense that everybody's trying to make a difference. I think the big thing that the police officers from Camden have done including the police chief have admitted that the relationship between the cops and the residents from Camden have been bad and that the police have a responsibility in that which most police departments in the country will do. Right here in San Francisco the police department has a similar relationship but they don't want to admit that it's bad. And so I think that they're trying to make a difference.
CABRERA: Did the residents there tell you what they think of this community policing program? Are they able to trust the police a little bit more?
BELL: Well, I get -- I feel the whole thing is pretty tentative at this point. I mean, we were there a year ago, so I can't speak for today. But I feel like people know it was bad with the police in Camden and they want it to be better but it's hard to sort of wake up one day and hear that it's going to be better. I think they have a long way to go and I can see some people are excited about it but you can even tell on the segment we did that the officer -- people are reacting weirdly to officers going hi, how are you doing, can I talk to your baby? Like this -- like, wait, what's happening here?
CABRERA: Yes. They seemed a little bit wary when they look at them, like do we talk to them? What do you want?
BELL: Yes. Yes .
CABRERA: You also showed us in that clip that these officers spend a lot of time on their feet. They engage with people and neighborhoods who again don't really want to see them.
[18:55:05] I imagine it takes a real special kind of person to be one of these community police officers.
BELL: Well, basically in Camden, they really -- like they fired the whole police department at one point and they've hired all brand new officers. A lot of them, not all, but a lot of them out of the police academy. Because they realized they have to retrain them from the ground up. You can't take a cop who's been on the beat for 30 years and say now you have to walk for eight hours and that's why a lot of cops stayed in their cars. It's easier to stay in their cars than it is to get out and walk and get to know people. But ultimately it leads to better police community relations.
CABRERA: Well, W. Kamau Bell, thanks for shedding some light on all this and for joining us.
BELL: Thank you.
CABRERA: Tonight it's "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA" at 10:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN.
We'll be right back.
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CABRERA: Finally, tonight's number, six, that is the number of hours Americans spend every day on e-mail according to a survey by Adobe and if that seems like a lot to you you're not alone. France is right now considering a law to make it illegal to send work e-mails outside of work hours or on weekend. Wouldn't that be nice? Experts say the constant barrage of e-mails, text, and messages just add to stress. It's actually a law some of us probably welcome, right? Even in the NEWSROOM, although not sure how that would work.
Coming up tonight on CNN at 7:00 Eastern Anthony Bourdain hits the windy state, Chicago, followed by the Greek Islands at 8:00, then at 9:00 an all-new "PARTS UNKNOWN" in big sky country Montana. That's followed by a new "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA" at 10:00.
That's going to do it for me. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. Thanks for joining us. Have a great night.
