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Why They Hate Us. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired May 23, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:02] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks so much for watching us. Here is Fareed Zakaria now with "Why They Hate Us."
FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": Hatred so deep. It drives men to turn planes into bombs.
UNINDENTIFIED FEMALE: A plane crashed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An act of terror on our soil.
ZAKARIA: It is impossible to understand. Impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do so many millions of Muslims hate the USA?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better picture this morning of the man accused of now murdering 13 people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do they hate us?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did we do to the Islamic world?
GEORGE W. BUSH, FMR U.S. PRESIDENT: Americans are asking why do they hate us?
ZAKARIA: Emphasis on the last word, "Us". Why do Islamic terrorists hate Americans?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USA terrorist.
ZAKARIA: Fifteen years after 9/11. We're no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what are you waiting for? You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle.
ZAKARIA: But who are they? How many? And are they multiplying in a new deadly form?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: France was in the beginning, tomorrow will be Washington, it will be New York, it is coming.
ZAKARIA: Inside schools.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (In Translation): There is no God but Allah. God says we can never be friends with (inaudible). America is the devil.
ZAKARIA: Young children are being taught how to kill us. If the goal of ISIS propaganda is to terrify America, it has worked.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is front and center.
ZAKARIA: And that fear has paved the way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please welcome.
ZAKARIA: For a new voice in this country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next president of the United States.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
It's going to get worse and worse. You're going to have more World Trade Centers, it's going to get worse and worse, folks.
ZAKARIA: Trump's message has led some Americans to say who cares why they hate us, we hate them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who is bombing buildings? Who's bombing airplanes? It's not the Christians, it's not the Jewish, it's not the Buddhists, it's the Muslims. You got that on camera, sport?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have training camps, rolling, why they want to kill us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're coming to get us, they're not going to be happy until they take over this country, and we have to be under Sharia Law, and I'm not going to bow down to them.
ZAKARIA: Americans are understandably angry and afraid, but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. It's literally a matter of life and death.
When you ask scholar deep in the subject, like Columbia's Rashid Khalidi, he makes an important distinction.
Why do they hate us?
RASHID KHALIDI, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY HISTORY DEPARTMENT CHAIR: If you take "they" as being Muslims, they don't hate us. If you talk about "they" as being a narrow, very small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question.
ANJEM CHOUDARY, ISIS SUPPORTER: We call upon Muslims around the world to ban the constitution, to ban the American flag.
ZAKARIA: Anjem Choudary comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. Choudary has been charged with supporting ISIS.
CHOUDARY: You are hypocrites, you don't have principle, that's your problem as Americans.
ZAKARIA: He is awaiting trial in London.
CHOUDARY: I personally hate the American regime and the foreign policy.
ZAKARIA: Choudary, faces prison for his support of ISIS but he is unrelenting in that support. Never mind the kidnappings, the beheading, the sex slaves, to Choudary is the Islamic state is paradise.
CHOUDARY: There's peace, there's no corruption, there's no bribery, there is usury, there is no alcohol and gambling, all of the vices were sure, you're used to in America and other parts of the world don't exist over there. This idea that they're raping people, why don't you listen to what the Muslims are saying on the other side, why didn't go in to this some of the people, they will deny these things. There noting for ...
[21:05:05] ZAKARIA: Because Mr. Choudary, they kill journalists, that's why.
CHOUDARY: ... and raping people in the Islam.
ZAKARIA: They kill journalists, Mr. Choudary.
CHOUDARY: These could be my last hours.
ZAKARIA: In fact ISIS has murdered at least 23 reporters in the last two years Among them, the Americans James Foley and Steven Sotloff.
Let me not get into that frankly nonsense you are spouting about the Islamic State and the peace and brotherhood. That how do you explain, Mr Choudary that people are fleeing the Islamic State?
Despite documented evidence of tens of thousands of people desperately fleeing ISIS, Choudary claims there are actually more arriving.
CHOUDARY: The people are coming into the Islamic state. By the way, we have videos of all Christians, coming back to Mosul, you can see this, embracing Islam. You don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda.
ZAKARIA: And then the flood gates open with the reasons why Anjem Choudary says he hates us.
CHOUDARY: Freedom of expression, freedom of religion, these things sound very nice but where was freedom of religion and expression for people in Guantanamo Bay? What about the people being tortured in Abu Ghraib, Baghdad, was that freedom in practice? I bet you loved that, I didn't get for it, did you hold that up as example of liberty and democracy, the American way, the American life?
You know, George Bush flushed those down the toilet, he said, you know, we can flush them away because we're talking about terrorism.
ZAKARIA: But the United States intervened in Bosnia to protect Muslims, It has intervened in Afghanistan and is supporting a government that's been elected twice by the Afghan people.
CHOUDARY: Fareed, I think you spent too much time in the CNN world. In the real world, the people in Afghanistan hate the Americans.
ZAKARIA: The real world Mr. Choudary is determined by polls, not by what you say, and the polls overwhelmingly show it as due to elections.
CHOUDARY: You're living in Hollywood, and some kind of make believe world.
ZAKARIA: I come back to the very simple proposition that if the groups that you seem to support from al-Qaeda to ISIS, were as popular as you claim, why do they don't hold elections? Why do they have go around murdering, slaughtering, raping, and forcing people into submission?
CHOUDARY: For a moment that I thought you were talking about Guantanamo Bay, where you're talking about rape and torture, oppression but obviously you're not talking about that.
Democracy, hypocrisy!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Democracy Hypocrisy!
ZAKARIA: Choudary reminds me of Marxist idealist I met in my youth, who could explain away anything to justify their belief system.
The anger at America is deep. What is striking is that America remains the obsession, of Choudary and of so many who have seldom if ever been here.
So what happens when a Jihadhi is one of us an American, are the reasons he hates us the same?
ANWAR AL-AWLAKI, Al-QAEDA HEAD: To the Muslims in America, I have this to say. How can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against Islam and Muslims?
ZAKARIA: No one has scared American security officials more than Anwar al-Awlaki.
UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Wanted dead or alive by U.S. authorities.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The head of al-Qaeda in Yemen. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It also helped plan attacks on the United States.
ZAKARIA: He is the driving force behind virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in America since 9/11.
AWLAKI: We are facing you as men who love death just like you love life.
ZAKARIA: He is an American, born in New Mexico, educated at Colorado State University. How influential is he?
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the Boston Marathon Bomber, wrote about his teachings as he laid bleeding in a backyard boat waiting to be captured.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is spanning to reports of multiple victims.
ZAKARIA: One of the San Bernardino killers, the husband, Syed Farook, watched al-Awlaki's video sermons for years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we know now, the deadliest shooting ever in American military base.
ZAKARIA: And then there was physiatrist Nidal Hasan, who murdered 13 Americans of Forth Hood in Texas. Has an e-mailed Al-Awlaki about his plan.
The underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, tried to blow a plane out of the sky over Detroit under orders from Awlaki.
But here is the strangest twist in this American horror story. After the 9/11 terror attacks, Awlaki was invited to lead prayers at the U.S. capital.
He was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam in Falls Church Virginia to "The Washington Post" did a story about him.
[21:10:03] AWLAKI: There's always this association between Islam and terrorism, when that is not show at all, I mean Islam is a religion of peace.
ZAKARIA: But gradually it is possible to see the beginnings of his disenchantment.
AWLAKI: This anger seems to come out and this seem is to be something that's were going to do it, there are reasons for this (inaudible), the fact that the U.S. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in Iraq.
ZAKARIA: No one seems certain when Awlaki became a full pledged Jihadi but one thing is clear, he was a scholar of Islam, yet he never cites his religion when he speaks about why he hates us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody come outside, put them this way. Over here. ZAKARIA: His reasons like Choudary's are about American foreign policy, the so-called war against Islam that Jihadists always speak of.
The FBI began to monitor Awlaki. He fled to Yemen and eventually became a top leader of al-Qaeda.
SEN. PETER KING, (R) NEW YORK: When you say that Awlaki is at least as severe it threats today as bin Laden?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably the most significant risk to the U.S. home land.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The American born al-Qeada.
ZAKARIA: There is one important fact about Anwar al-Awlaki, that I have not mentioned, he is dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has been killed.
ZAKARIA: It was an American drone strike in 2011.
But here's the most frightening fact, Awlaki is still killing Americans. Some of the bloodiest terror he inspired happened after his death, the San Bernardino killings, the Boston Marathon bombings. Awlaki is on the internet right now, literally thousands of his videos are just a click away.
ALWAKI: You remember the good old days when Americans were enjoying the blessings of security and peace.
ZAKARIA: The man is dead, the message is not.
And yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't bring true to me. The United States has for better or worse waged war in many lands.
Why are there no Vietnamese or Cambodian terrorists? And why do they kill mostly other Muslims? The explanation for the violence in the world of Islam must lie somewhere else, somewhere deeper.
Some say it comes directly from the Quran, but is the Muslim holy book being distorted?
The Quran promises martyrs in the name of Islam, 72 virgins. Is that true?
What exactly does the Quran promise martyrs? When we come back.
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[21:16:26] ZAKARIA: 9/11, 7/7 in London, Mumbai, the Boston Marathon, San Bernardino, Paris, and now Brussels, all perpetrated by Muslims, all done in the name of Islam. It raises a question, the obvious question, is Islam an inherently violent religion? Ask a critic of Islam then ask an honest Muslim reformer, you will get essentially the same answer. There is a connection between the religion and the violence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's time to stop saying that this isn't about Islam. ISIS is uber-Islamic, uber-Islamic. It is time it's said.
IRSHAD MANJI, MUSLIM REFORMER: The next time a bombing or beheading occurs, and God knows it will, the first thing you will hear from the mouth of a so-called moderate Muslim is, "Oh, no, no, no, please don't misunderstand, Islam has nothing to do with this." That's simply not true, because most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say that they are doing it in the name of Allah. And they actually cite verses from the Quran.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are men honored with Islam who'd find it's feats to perform Jihad.
ZAKARIA: The controversial question triggered a shouting match on Bill Maher's HBO program.
SAM HARRIS, ATHEIST AND ISLAM CRITIC: Ben, we have to be able to criticize Ben ideas.
BEN AFFLECK, ACTOR: Of course we do.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, OK. But Islam ...
AFFELCK: But why when ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... at the moment is the mother load of that ideas. So we have ...
AFFLECK: How about the more than an billion people (inaudible) who don't punish ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, but I think ...
AFFLECK: ... who just want to go to the store ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, wait a second.
AFFLECK: ... get some sandwiches ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait a second.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh no, wait, wait, wait. I'm not saying ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait a second.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...and you're painting the whole religion with that ... BILL MAHER, "REAL TIME" HOST: No, no, let's get down to who has the right answer here. A billion people you say. All these billion people don't hold any (inaudible) advice, don't hold these pernicious beliefs and I wouldn't, well they don't.
ZAKARIA: We will come back to Affleck's point about the numbers but let's just look at the text. The Quran does contain verses that encourage intolerance and violence. It recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. But look at the Bible on the same subject in Leviticus. "If a man has sex with another man, kill them both." Both holy books also have passages recommending murder for non-believers. This verse in the Quran is the one that ISIS has taken literally. "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our knife will continue to strike the next of your people.
ZAKARIA: But the same belief that guides ISIS also appears in the Bible. In Deuteronomy, believers are instructed to stone non- believers until they die. Two holy books with violent passages with one obvious difference. Jihadists are acting on what they read in the Quran.
MANJI: Islam is being manipulated. It is being used.
ZAKARIA: Irshad Manji points to one colorful example of manipulation in a famous Quran story.
The Quran promises a martyr in the name of Islam, 72 virgins. Is that true?
MANJI: It is not true.
[21:20:03] ZAKARIA: Manji says that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization.
MANJI: Nowhere in the Quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. What it promises, as far as heaven goes is something lush. The Arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. The original word that was used in the Quran was the word for raisin, not virgin. In other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins.
ZAKARIA: 72 raisins. Imagine the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different.
The story illustrates that radicals have twisted Islamic ideas, but it also reflects a growing new reality, the violate Jihadists who carry out ISIS terrorist attacks often know little about Islam.
KHALIDI: In many cases they're petty criminals, in many cases they're dropouts, in many cases they're unemployed, in many cases they're drug users, who, never had anything to do with religion, have no religious training whatsoever.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You probably know Islam better than me, maybe you have studied.
KHALIDI: They are completely ignorant, in other words of religion. And they latch on to radical Islam as a way to act out their alienation.
ZAKARIA: The Abdeslam brothers fit the profile.
These are the ISIS killers partying at a high-end nightclub in Brussels. Salah was the mastermind of the Paris attacks. Brahim blew himself up in Paris. It is easier, say some, to brainwash recruits who are not religious.
Former radical Maahid Nawaz told "The New Yorker" that for purposes of recruitment, having no background in Islam is actually an advantage.
Irshad Manji is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of Islam's ideas.
MANJI: I'm pointing out that the faith itself has the raw material, has the elements for a change.
ZAKARIA: There is another famous Quran story. A father's two sons convert to Christianity and leave home. The father asks the prophet Muhammad to bring them back, but Muhammad declines saying, "There is no compulsion in religion."
MANJI: The book itself can't speak. It is we, Muslims, who speak on its behalf. There is a beautiful passage in the Quran, one of many beautiful passages that states, God does not change the condition of the people until they change what is inside themselves.
ZAKARIA: And to those who say well, you are cherry picking, what do you say?
MANJI: I say yes, that's correct, and so are you by not acknowledging the freedom loving versus of the Quran.
ZAKARIA: As you can see, Islam can be used in many ways, but the question remains, why is an intolerant and violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the Muslim world? It all starts, believe it or not, with an American pop song.
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[21:27:16] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They announced (inaudible) figure out exactly what turned this couple into mass murders.
ZAKARIA: Tashfeen Malik, the wife in the San Bernardino terrorist attacks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How and where was the 29 year old mother of a newborn radicalized?
ZAKARIA: We've all looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and then proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom.
There is a way to understand this, because you can draw a straight line from Tashfeen Malik directly to the roots of modern, radical Islam.
Let me explain by going back to the beginning of the story.
Bizarre though it may sound, today's radical Islamic movement started with a popular American song. 1949, the place was Greeley, Colorado.
"Baby it's cold outside" was playing on an old gramophone at a church dance. An Egyptian student attending a local college happened to stop in.
Sayyid Qutb was a deeply conservative Muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. He wrote later of what he called, "The animal like mixing of the sexes, the halls warmed with legs, lips met lips, chest met chest."
The worst side of all, he said, "The outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters." Sayyid Qutb's essay about his time here, the America I have seen became a sensation in parts of the Arab world.
He hated everything about American culture, Hollywood movies, big cars, fast food.
FAWAZ GERGES, MIDDLE EAST SCHOLAR: His views on America are terrifying. They're terrifying because they're narrow, they're racist, he resented the way women and men interact in society. He resented a nature of American materialism.
ZAKARIA: By the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of Arab governments that were trying to westernize their economy, societies and political systems.
He wrote 24 books urging the return to Sharia Law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the United States.
He was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of Egyptian President, Gamal Abdel Nasser.
[21:30:05] Qutb had become a rock star among budding radicals, even as Arab regimes were jailing and torturing his followers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are Muslim who believe in that religion.
ZAKARIA: Thus in the jails of Egypt other Arab tyrannies was born al- Qaeda. Qutb was read and revered by Osama bin Laden and Anwar al- Awlaki and the current head of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri then in 1979 radical Islam explodes.
In Iran, there was revolution, enraged by the repressive rule of the American back Shia (ph), popular protest drove him out.
Angry mobs seize the American embassy for 444 days, the United States watch helplessly as Americans were held hostile. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But there are indications tonight with that large number of armed Shiite Muslims.
ZAKARIA: At exactly the same time, November 1979, cataclysm, in Saudi Arabia, the take over of the grand mosque in Mecca, Islam's holiest site, it was stormed by heavily armed insurgents, demanding the overthrow of the American backed, Saudi king. These events were like rocket fuel for Islamic radicals.
They had taken control of Iran and in Saudi Arabia the monarchy makes a fateful decision, it decides to appease the ultra conservative Wahhabi Clergy who preach puritanical and intolerant interpretation of Islam, giving them free reign to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other Muslim countries.
REZA ASLAN, RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR: It's hard to imagine a Muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by this ideology.
ZAKARIA: Remember, Saudi Arabia is one of America's strongest allies.
ASLAN: You are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world's Muslims, the Muslim world.
ZAKARIA: The New Saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical Islam.
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ZAKARIA: But look at this interview with the one of the most powerful man in Saudi Islam, the former Imam of the Grand Mosque.
We have the same beliefs as ISIS he says. We share their ideology. But we express it in a more refined way.
ASLAN: And that ideology is still being preached in Saudi Arabia from the Mosque.
ZAKARIA: Remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia, so did Osama bin Laden and one more person who is from Saudi Arabia, Tashfeen Malik, the wife in the San Bernardino killings.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Malik came from Pakistan she later, moved to Saudi Arabia with her (inaudible).
ZAKARIA: So Malik lived in both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and to what country has Saudi Arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? Pakistan. Its Saudi funded madrassas and mosques preach a message much like the Saudi ideology of was Wahhabism.
Tashfeen Malik, the San Bernardino killer, is a product of radical Islam globalized by Saudi man.
Up next a crucial when we ask why they hate us, how many other in the first place?
UNIDENTFIED FEMALE: Three hundred million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies.
CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS SUNDAY (FNS) ANCHOR: They say at most a 100,000 people.
ZAKARIA: Getting the facts right when we return.
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[21:38:21] ZAKARIA: If you believed everything you heard about Islam on certain cable news channels, you would have good reason to be afraid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need to kill them.
ZAKARIA: Very afraid.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many numbers are we talking about? The world has 1.6 billion Muslims. How many Muslims are we talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens.
ZAKARIA: 300 million Muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? Can that really be true? Donald Trump offers even higher percentages.
TRUMP: It's 27 percent, could be 35 percent would go to war. The hatred is tremendous, Chris.
ZAKARIA: Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace had just told the GOP frontrunner the facts.
WALLACE: According to the best experts, you know, think times all around the world, they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for Jihadist causes.
ZAKARIA: Wallace is right, Trump is wrong. Scholars and experts we spoke to agree.
The number of Jihadist worldwide is somewhere between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions.
How do they come up with those results? Simple math. They added up the estimated memberships of all Islamic terror networks worldwide.
That works out to around 1, 100th of 1 percent of Muslims around the world. But despite the consensus, the myth persists.
WALLACE: You're saying 253 million Muslims would go to war against us?
TRUMP: Why don't you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently?
[21:40:04] ZAKARIA: We did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by Pew that brought any relation to Trump's claims. In fact, the Pew Research Center sent us a statement that says, it has not issued a survey saying that 27 percent of Muslims would go to war with the United States nor asked a question of Muslims about going to war. But there are some Pew polls with findings that are troubling.
Let's take a look at just a few. In Egypt, 81 percent of Muslims who wants Sharia as the law of the land told Pew that they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery. And 86 percent favor the death penalty for those who leave Islam.
Religious scholar, Reza Aslan.
ASLAN: I mean, we may be appalled by certain regressive beliefs, but they are just beliefs. The issue is people's actions.
ZAKARIA: But can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? Bill Maher makes an interesting point.
MAHER: If vast numbers of Muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon, or writing a book, or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the Muslim world had something in common with ISIS, it has too much in common with ISIS.
ZAKARIA: Aslan responds with an analogy from America.
ASLAN: The Christians of the Westboro Baptist Church believe that God hates homosexuals, and so, as a result of that belief they picket the burial ceremonies of American soldiers who died overseas.
Now, Christians in the United States also believe that homosexuality is a sin, so they share that belief with the Westboro Baptist Church, but they would never share in those actions. By Bill Maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same because they share one fundamental belief.
ZAKARIA: Sam Harris, a critic of Islam, counters with his own American analogy.
SAM HARRIS, AETHEIST& CRITIC OF ISLAM: To have a play on Broadway, like the book of Mormon, it is currently unthinkable to produce such a play on the topic of Islam.
ZAKARIA: The hit Broadway musical Roundly Lampoons the Salt Lake City based religion.
HARRIS: So what did the Mormons do in response to this play? They took out ads for Mormonism in the program, which is just an adorable response, but there is no one who produced that play who lost any sleep over whether they might be killed or be haunted for the rest of their lives by crazy Mormons. And that's -- that is what we have to get to on the topic of Islam.
ZAKARIA: On this I certainly agree with Harris. And yet, there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing Muslims, American democracy. When we come back, the story of American Islam, words and all.
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[21:47:07] ZAKARIA: Hamtramck Michigan is a story as old as America. A century ago, Polish immigrants settled here. It became known as little Warsaw. Preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. Fast forward to the late 20th Century and the American dream repeats itself.
This time, the immigrants are Muslims from Yemen, from Bangladesh, from Bosnia. And now what was once known as little Warsaw is the, first city in America run by Muslim-Americans. It has a majority Muslim city council.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Last night's election had historic significance for that community and the country.
ZAKARIA: One more story as old as America, the inevitable culture clash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't like the changes that are going on, so I'm leaving.
ZAKARIA: Church bells collide with the call to pray. Restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side. There have been rough spots, but Hamtramck has gradually begun to make its new reality and it's new government work.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pledge allegiance, to the flag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a great possibly of showing the world how ethnic groups work together to solve problems.
ZAKARIA: But then the calls started coming in from the rest of America.
IBRAHIM ALJAHIM, MUSLIM COMMUNITY ORGANIZER: We're coming to block the Muslims, call the Muslim, they try to do bring Sharia Law, they try to do this, and these are people are going crazy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Its time to say, no Sharia in America.
ZAKARIA: Many communities across the country fear that Arab immigration could translate into Sharia Law.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't say I hate them, I'm just saying we don't need them here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Islam we'll never dominate the United States. By the grace of God, they will not dominate Texas.
ZAKARIA: Sharia Law has never been established in any city in America, and no one wants it less than the Muslim Americans in Hamtramck.
ALJAHIM: We don't believe in that. We came here to this country to run away from Sharia Law. Do you think I would put this country to follow me here? I don't think so. ZAKARIA: Community Activist Ibrahim Aljahim says, his family fled Yemen in search of the same things all Americans want.
ALJAHIM: We came here for better life, for security and for better future. And that's all we came here for. We will always carry the American flag everywhere we go.
[21:49:58] KHALID: It's a country where advancement and entry into of the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds.
ZAKARIA: Look at Shahid Khan he came to America from Pakistan at age 16 penniless today he is a billionaire and the most American way possible. He owns an NFL team the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Look at television host Dr. Oz, a first generation Turkish-American. The list goes on, but Middle Eastern study scholar Rashid Khalidi says, it's a list you won't find in many other western countries.
KHALIDI: How many people at the top of French politics. How many people of French television? How many people with elite rolls in French business are the children of a grandchildren or great grandchildren of migrants? They are few United States?
I mean we have people who are boundaries of industry who are important in the media, whose faces look different than ordinary white Americans, yourself for example, there are very few such face on French (inaudible).
ZAKARIA: And as for all the fears that Americans have of Sharia Law of Muslim's as terrorist. They all partly rooted in this fact.
ALSAN: One percent of the population of America is Muslim. Most Americans don't know any Muslims and so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of Islam. It's become very easy to conflict that with mainstream everyday Islam.
We would never make that mistake when we are confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of Christianity because we live in a country that's 70 percent Christian. We are tribal ultimately. We are much more likely to forgive the extremes within our own tribe than we are in our other people's tribes.
ZAKARIA: Up next, my thoughts on why they hate us.
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[21:55:58] ZAKARIA: The next time you hear of a terror attack no matter where it is, no matter what the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself it's Muslims again and you will probably be right.
In 2014 about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. The vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were Muslims, but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. Of the 30,000 dead the vast, vast majority were Muslims. That's crucial to understand because it shed to light on the question, why do they hate us? Islamic terrorists don't just hate America or the west, they hate the modern world and they particularly hate Muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. Let's be clear, while the Jihadist are few, there is a larger cancer within the world of Islam, a cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance, most of the countries that have laws that restrict the laws of free exercise of religion on Muslim majority.
All that have lost against living the faith on Muslim majority. But are these things inherent in the religion? When experts tried to explain that in the 14th century Islamic civilization was the world most advanced, or that the Quran was ones threat as a liberal and progressive document. They are not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today what they are saying is, it can change.
Islam after all has been around for 14 centuries. There have been periods of war but also a peace.
It's the same religion then and now, so what is different? It is not theology, it is politics. Radical Islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant economics of Muslim countries. They have found in radical religion an ideology that lets them reign against the modern world. An ideology that is now being exported to alienated young Muslims everywhere in Europe and even in some rare cases in the United States.
So how to end this? There's really only one way, help the majority of Muslims fight extremists, reform their faith and modernize their societies. In doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines. Many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against Jihadist. The hundreds of Muslims reformers as I've spoken to say that their tasks is made much harder when Western politician and pundits condemn Islam entirely demean their faith and speak of all Muslim as backward and suspect.
Here is another way to think about this. In America, African- Americans make up about 13 percent of the population, yet they comprise about 50 percent of homicide defenders according to a justice department study. Now we understand, I hope we understand that when we see a black man on the street we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal, it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist.
In America of all places people should be treated as individuals and not a stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. Remember, the Bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with ISIS even though he is also a Muslim.
It's hard not to make this quick this associations especially in the wake of a terror attack. But if America is about anything it is the idea that people should be judge as individuals with individual liberties and rights. It is what they hate about us. We might as well live up to our own ideals.
I'm Fareed Zakaria, thank you for watching.
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