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Impact Of Anti-Trump Protests On Candidate; Anti-Trump Protesters Clash With Police In New Mexico; State Department Audit: Clinton Violated Email Rule; Ukrainian Pilot Freed In Prisoner Swap With Russia; Greece Clears Thousands From Makeshift Camp; Violence In New Mexico At Trump Rally; Attacks From Trump On Bill Clinton And Hillary's E-Mails; Crime In Rio After Spanish Sailors Are Robbed At Gunpoint; New Top Gear Show; President Obama Beatboxes In Vietnam. Aired 3-4p ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us. This is THE WORLD
Police in Anaheim, California are ready for what could turn into another rowdy protest outside of a Donald Trump rally. This one in California.
The Republican presidential candidate's event there is now under way. It started about a minute ago officially. The candidate himself is expected
to address a convention center full of supporters any moment.
These are live images coming to us from the Anaheim convention center. Some protesters are gathering nearby. They are there, they say, to protest
Police warned of, quote, "swift action" to quell any violence, partly because of Tuesday night's Trump event in New Mexico.
GORANI: Now it was a different scene, it has to be said, in Albuquerque yesterday. It was the scene there after police used smoke grenades to
disperse a violent crowd. Demonstrators threw rocks, lit fires and taunted police.
Trump later tweeted calling them thugs. Whether or not we see violence today in California, what impact are anti-Trump protesters having on the
CNN political commentator and Trump supporter, Scottie Nell Hughes is live for us in New York and our political analyst, Josh Rogin is in Washington
Scottie Nell Hughes, I'm going to start with you. First of all, I mean, what do you make of the fact that it seems as though Donald Trump the
candidate is really attracting so much controversy wherever he goes?
Protesters are saying they really dislike his rhetoric especially regarding immigration and minorities. So much that they're willing to go protest
outside a convention center. What does that say to us about the candidate Trump?
SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think we have to look at the two different types of protests that are being held outside the Trump
event like we saw yesterday.
What originally was supposed to be peaceful protest organized by local unions and local groups to talk about some of the policies that they've
dislike about Mr. Trump, like him having to build a wall or deporting everybody and bringing them back in legally, that was actually
oversheltered and was actually taken out of -- it was taken out.
Nobody talked about that after the violent protesters came in and took over the protests. I think when you sit there and look at images of police
officers being literally thrown fire balls of t-shirts being thrown at police cars damaged, streets being literally ransacked.
That makes people give more sympathy towards Mr. Trump and realized that we do have a problem with non-law abiding citizens who don't respect the rules
of order that we have here in this country.
GORANI: Josh Rogin, do you think that some of the violent protesters who have infiltrated or organized demonstrations outside of Trump events are
actually giving Donald Trump, the candidate and his campaign, ammunition to say, see, we are the victims?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think there are two things going on. In the first place, political violence is necessarily a failing of the
political process. Everyone on both sides has a responsibility in my view to do what they can to avoid those protests getting out of hand.
The more they go on and the more they escalate, the higher the risk of somebody getting seriously hurt and that's something that we should all be
trying to avoid.
The Trump campaign has been very clear that they don't see it as their responsibility to contribute to that tamping down of the rhetoric and they
placed the blame squarely on the protesters.
I think that's essentially in the long term an untenable position. In the larger sense, you know, the Trump strategy here which is to sort of vilify
these groups that are protesting seems to be to be somewhat short-sided.
I'm not anti-Trump guy or anti-Clinton guy, but I do think that if Trump is serious about unifying the party and serious about winning some of these
southwestern states which are heavily Hispanic.
You know, his increasingly antagonistic approach to these types of groups is probably going to prove to be unhelpful to his chances of winning the
GORANI: And Scottie Nell Hughes, we've heard many promises from the campaign that after having said some brash, provocative things that Donald
Trump was going to become "presidential," that he was going to evolve into this middle ground unifying candidate. When is that going to happen?
[15:05:07] HUGHES: Well, I think you are seeing it in different parts, but you have to understand, you know, we noticed this week an Instagram was put
out obviously about some of the past history of Bill Clinton. That dominated the news cycle for two or three days.
The next day he also put out a video about the veterans and his policy on veterans. Very little has been said about that. Unfortunately, it seems
like a lot of people want to focus on things that might be a little bit more juicy, might be more made for TMZ than necessarily what we are dealing
with in reality.
And I think Mr. Trump realizes that so he tries to give a diversity of issues both in pop culture as well as in policy. That's where this
campaign has had to go. We are seeing Hillary Clinton do the same thing. She just has minions in her super PACs, who are able to do it alongside her
while Mr. Trump is doing it all himself.
GORANI: All right, well, I don't think anybody is too surprise that TMZ- like stories get more play than more serious policy proposals.
Josh Rogin, I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts's Democratic senator. Now her war of words with Donald Trump went up one
Let's listen to what she had to say about Donald Trump and his approach to managing his real estate affairs and then we'll talk about it.
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ELIZABETH WARREN, U.S. SENATE DEMOCRAT: Donald Trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown because it meant he could buy up more property
on the cheap. What kind of a man does that? I'll tell you exactly what kind of a man does that. It is a man who cares about no one but himself.
A small -- a small, insecure money grubber.
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GORANI: So, Josh, my question is, OK, we know Elizabeth Warren's position. She's very popular with some Democrats and some in the left-leaning -- on
the left-leaning side of the political spectrum in the United States, but will this type of attack work with Trump fans?
ROGIN: Well, it works in provoking Donald Trump into a retaliation that is ultimately disadvantageous to his goal toward seeming presidential,
unifying the party and avoiding, you know, situations where he's making insulting comments about entire groups of the electorate, right?
So, you know, Elizabeth Warren, whether or not she is trying to be vice presidential candidate or she's just sacrificing herself for the sake of
provoking Donald Trump, her bet is that by taking Trump off of his message and by baiting him into this kind of childish banter.
That she smears his ability to really become the presidential candidate that he claims to want to be and in that sense, Trump can't help take the
bait. Yes, OK, so she started it but in the end, is that really helping Trump in the end? I don't think so.
HUGHES: But the old cliche goes, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Elizabeth Warren herself flipped houses, two of them being
foreclosures and took advantage of them making six-figure profits on them prior to the economic collapse of 2008. I mean, we've got to sit there and
put everybody out there. If you're going to compare one thing, you got to make sure that you tell the other side of --
ROGIN: Elizabeth Warren has her vulnerabilities, but she's not running for president, right? What's the rule of presidential politics? Don't punch
down. As long as Donald Trump is attacking Elizabeth Warren and making comments that seem to be insulting to millions of Native Americans --
HUGHES: They are not. They are pro-capitalist. There is nothing --
GORANI: Let me jump in because there is going to be some more punching, I suspect, tonight coming from the Donald Trump camp or Donald Trump himself,
I suspect, on this issue of the Hillary Clinton e-mails.
As you know, just released audit, a report shows Clinton did indeed violate federal rules by using a private e-mail server to conduct official business
while she was secretary of state.
The inspector general report says at a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all e-mails dealing with department business before
leaving government service and because she did not do so she did not comply with the department's policies.
So, Scottie Nell Hughes, let me ask you this. Is this what the -- do you believe the Trump camp is going to use as its next sort of line of attack,
as its next attack strategy against Hillary Clinton?
HUGHES: Absolutely. As it should be, in fact, I'm sure they're already in production of a commercial. This is why Mr. Trump in national polls is
more trusted to restore faith in government than Hillary Clinton.
Listen, this just might be a small spark. But then you add that to the small spark that came out yesterday about Terry McAuliffe and all of the
other small parks about the Clinton Global Initiative.
You realize somewhere there's got to be some sort of fire or some sort of flame that's lighting all of these.
ROGIN: Yes, I would --
GORANI: All right, but Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, two secretary of states that served under George W. Bush in the same report. Colin Powell
himself admitted to using private e-mails to conduct official -- why the double standard here?
HUGHES: It is not the e-mail. It is the server is the problem. The e- mails, that's another issue. That's not big of a deal. It is the fact that she had the private server in her home is I think where people have an
[15:10:04]ROGIN: Yes, on this point I actually agree with Scottie. It is apples and oranges. What Hillary Clinton did was qualitatively and
quantitatively worse. And plus, she's decided to subject herself to the scrutiny of running for president.
But again, you know, while the Trump campaign may want to focus on this and this will be a huge issue and a huge problem for the Clinton campaign, what
are they actually talking about?
His fight with Susan Martinez. His fight with Elizabeth Warren. The protesters on the street that's calling names. If the Trump campaign
really believes that this is a really good topic to focus on, then they should try to get on message.
And what we see in a lot of reports support this, is a real disorganization on the side of the Trump campaign which is complicating their ability to do
what they want to do and implement their strategy. That didn't really affect them in the primary.
But in the general election it will. The numbers show that they're really facing an uphill climb here. All of these distractions are really hurting
GORANI: All right, we got to leave it there. Josh Rogin, Scottie Nell Hughes, thanks to both of you for joining us here on CNN. We really
We've been talking about Anaheim, California where this convention center is being used as the site of this Donald Trump rally. And the possibility,
at least based on what we saw in Albuquerque, New Mexico yesterday, that there might be some violence because protesters are gathering.
Paul Vercammen is there and he comes to us live from the convention center. What are you seeing, Paul?
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, right now we've got a shouting match behind me. It's between a couple dozen anti-Trump
demonstrators and some pro-Trump supporters. Some are also street preachers and they've been arguing with each other all morning long,
hurling insults back at each other.
One thing we should note, an extremely strong police presence here in Anaheim. Aftermath, not only of what happened last night in Albuquerque
but what happened here a month ago in Orange County, California.
You look at these officers, Hala, and all of them have their riot helmets ready. They also have those flexible plastic handcuffs you can see below,
those often used in a riot situation if they need to make mass arrests quickly. They are prepared.
The police chief of Anaheim saying that anybody who comes crashing through barriers or starts violence or damages property, will be arrested. And
something that's playing in favor of the police today is they are glad that this is a noon protest and that these demonstrators will not be able to use
the cover of darkness just in case they have ill intentions.
They are gathered in this grass area, but there are so many barricades, so many structures, so much police tape, it is a very, very difficult maze for
anyone to navigate. We've also seen officers on motorcycles and a lot of mounted officers there off in the distance.
Just to give you a perspective as to why they wouldn't tolerate any mayhem in this part of Anaheim, that's the Disneyland theme park off in the
distance behind me -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Well, what kind of numbers are we talking about here in terms of pro and anti-Trump demonstrators?
VERCAMMEN: Well, it's extremely small. I would say that there's 30 -- now we've got a little bit of a pushing match going on -- 30 of these
demonstrators would be anti-Trump and really only about eight are supporters, and there has been a little bit of shoving.
That was about the worst that we've seen of it. Perhaps three dozen anti- Trump demonstrators so far. That's not to say that others aren't going to show up and join this rally or that they can possibly be at another spot in
this massive convention center. But we think most of it is concentrated right here -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, Paul Vercammen, thanks very much in Anaheim, California outside that Trump rally. We'll keep in touch with Paul.
To Europe now and a Ukrainian pilot is finally back home after spending two years in a Russian jail. Nadia Safchenko (ph) was released in a prisoner's
swap with Russia. She was accused of involvement in the deaths of two Russian journalists covering the conflict in eastern Ukraine.
Our Matthew Chance has the very latest from Moscow.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After nearly two years behind bars, this is the first taste of freedom for Nadia
Safchenko (ph), flown back to the Ukrainian capital as part of a secret prisoner swap deal with Moscow.
She's lost none of her defiance. "I spent two years in a single cell," she screams at the crowd. "I'm just sorry for the mothers whose kids won't be
coming back," she adds.
The case of Nadia Safchenko came to symbolize the acrimony between Russia and Ukraine amid their broader, bloodier conflict.
[15:15:08]From the glass cage in the provincial Russian courthouse where she was tried, this former Ukrainian army pilot cast herself as a symbol of
Ukrainian national resistance, condemning the proceedings as a show trial.
This was the fatal incident at the height of the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Safchenko was found guilty of directing mortar fire against the
group of pro-Russian rebels, accompanied by a Russian television crew.
The Russian reporter and his sound engineer were both killed. She always pleaded innocent. Her defense team arguing she had already been captured
when the deadly incident took place.
But the court rejected that possibility and sentenced her to 22 years. The kremlin says the prisoner swap was only approved after President Putin
heard an appeal from the widows of the dead journalists to set her free.
"You approached me asking me to pardon her," he says. "I just want to thank you for that position and express hope that this will lead to a
decrease in the tensions in the conflict zone."
As part of the prisoner swap, Russia also seized the return of two military citizens captured in the war zone and sentenced to 14 years by the
In custody, they confessed on camera to being covert Special Forces soldiers who committed terrorism. The two are now back in Moscow as both
Russia and Ukraine finally turn the page on this bruising chapter. Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.
GORANI: Democratic presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders is also in action this hour. We talked about Trump there at the top of the program.
He is in California as well, Cathedral City, to be specific.
Well, he is vowing to continue on even though mathematically he will not be able to obtain the number of delegates required to become the Democratic
nominee, but he is saying he is going to continue and he's going to go up until at least June 7th.
Now a whopping 475 delegates are at stake in California. It would help them make up ground, for sure. Frontrunner Hillary Clinton though has a
technically insurmountable delegate lead, but is he pushing ahead and says he will keep campaigning. There he is in California.
A lot more to come this evening. The new face of the Taliban in Afghanistan. A religious scholar has taken over the helm. We'll see what
his leadership could mean for the future of the Taliban insurgency.
And another tragedy in the Mediterranean when a boat jammed with hundreds of refugees capsizes. The disaster as it happened all captured on camera.
We'll be right back.
GORANI: The Taliban have a new face and the government in Afghanistan is calling on this new leader to either join peace talks or face the
consequences. The Taliban named a religious scholar as their new chief after a drone strike killed his predecessor.
Nick Paton Walsh looks at what the change in leadership could mean.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We don't know really a lot about Haibatullb Tul Akhunzada (ph). He's not really been a
public figure like many of the Taliban senior figures.
Now we do know he is in 50s. We know he is from the (inaudible) of Afghanistan known as Kandahar where the Taliban have a lot of their pastor
constituency. He was around when the Taliban fought the soviets back then known as the Mujahadin.
We also know he was part of the judiciary during the Taliban's brief rule over Afghanistan in the late '90s. He's mostly been a cleric rather than
being someone involved in frontline fighting but he does keep as his deputy a man called (inaudible) who is a very experienced militant who is
according to the U.S. the chief facilitator of al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
He was Mullah Mansour's deputy for military operations until Mansour was killed in the drone strike over weekend and he remains in that role. So
it's unlikely we'll see a big change in the tempo of Afghan-Taliban military operation.
They've taken a lot of territory and have been pressing Afghan security forces very hard in the past months. The question really is does
Haibatullah Akhunzada (ph) have more of an appetite for peace talks.
The hope the White House had offered was it maybe Mullah Mansour who is (inaudible) against him that his death might lead to a more moderately face
suggesting the Taliban should negotiate because that's the real way the U.S. and Afghan government think they can quell or come to some kind of
agreement with the insurgency in Afghanistan.
It is unlikely, though, at this stage that he will suddenly decide to reach for the negotiating table. He's a man who is not known for his military
experience predominantly a cleric.
He is unlikely to want to show the broad sprawling insurgency that is the Taliban, that he favors a political tract. We saw Mullah Mansour use
military prowess and victories as a way to consolidate his leadership.
It is likely that Akhunzada will try a similar thing. We've already seen today that as that official statement came out from the Taliban in which
they one breath announced the death of Mullah Mansour declared three days of mourning for his death.
And said that Haibatullah Akhunzada (ph) will be his successor. That same day they also claim suicide bombing in Kabul that killed ten people
(inaudible) on their way to work in a court house in (inaudible).
So violence continuing certainly and no sign that this new leader is going to dampen that at all. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Beirut.
GORANI: Now we have some powerful images to share with you from the Italian Navy. They tell the story of the refugee crisis better than words
ever could. Take a look.
GORANI: First you see a ship jammed with hundreds of migrants and refugees. This is off the Libyan coast. Italian sailors arrived on the
scene and watched in horror as the boat capsized.
The navy says 500 people were rescued, but seven others drowned in the dangerous waters in the Mediterranean. You see there the boat completely
More than 3,700 migrants died trying to reach Europe last year according to the international organization for migration. As I mentioned, seven people
did end up losing their lives and there are images of the Italian Navy rescuing those who managed to stay afloat.
The hundreds just jammed on to that rickety boat that couldn't handle the weight of all those people and flipped over. And those are, quote, "the
lucky ones," who made it alive.
Meanwhile, Greece is moving thousands of migrants from an overcrowded make shift camp on its border with Macedonia. We've been talking a lot about
this camp, conditions there are pretty desperate.
In March, the U.N. refugee agency said many people living there were actually that it was so squalid and just so unsanitary that people there
were suffering from respiratory problems. Atika Shubert reports from the Idomeni (ph) border crossing in Greece.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Now this is one of the make shift camps that's popped up around the Idomeni (ph) border
crossing. In fact, it's grown a little bit since the last time I was here and that's because they've been trying to relocate all the people from that
border crossing there.
In fact, take a look at this video that's come in from Greek police. What it shows is a bulldozer trying to move some of those abandoned tents on the
railway tracks along the border. Abandoned because what Greek police are trying to do is they're trying to relocate that camp which was one of the
largest refugee camps in Greece. But it was a makeshift camp.
They are trying to relocate refugees into better facilities. From our vantage point here we have seen a number of buses go by filled with
refugees moving but we're not actually allowed. The press are not allowed into this camp.
[15:25:03]So we spoke to the UNHCH. They are one of the NGOs inside and they have been observing the relocation process.
CHRIS BOIAN, UNHCR: Everything that we've seen has gone, frankly, quite smoothly. It's been calm. We've seen no signs of violence. We've seen
refugees boarding buses and being transferred to other sites.
So it has gone more quickly than we expected, frankly. But it is a Greek government-led operation that's going on there. My organization is inside
monitoring things, but it's gone quite smoothly.
SHUBERT: Now the relocation may be going smoothly, but it doesn't yet solve the problem how to care for the tens of thousands that are still
stranded here. Now officially refugees are supposed to apply for asylum in their camps.
But unofficially, well, many people are camped out in makeshift camps like this at this petrol station and the reason for that is because they fear
the official asylum application process will just take too long.
Take a listen to what one refugee from Aleppo told us --
AHMED KHALID, SYRIAN REFUGEE: We come to here, we don't want to go to another camp because another camp just to stay in another camp and eat and
sleep. It is very bad. We want future, good future, and good life. That's all we want. You know that. But another camp? Maybe one year?
Maybe two years? We don't know.
SHUBERT: Instead, many people here say they would rather take their chances with people smugglers to find a way through Europe, whether legal
or not. Atika Shubert, CNN at the border crossing in Greece.
GORANI: Now some incredible images to show you from the heart of one of Italy's most famous cities. No buildings collapsed but a giant sinkhole
did swallow up parts of the street near a river in Florence. Unbelievable.
Officials say a water main burst and the ground above it gave way taking about 20 cars down with it. Later on another 10 meters of the street just
completely crumbled and fell apart. No one was hurt.
That's quite miraculous when you look at some of these pictures. But two buildings in the area were evacuated just in case. I'm not sure exactly
what kind of damage those cars sustained, but there might be some repair work here that is going to have to be done on those. But thankfully,
nobody was injured which is a great thing.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Coming up, President Obama touches down in Japan for a visit that will include that historic trip to Hiroshima. We'll
have more on that.
Plus, we'll speak to a protester in a small crowd outside Donald Trump's rally. I'll ask him what so angers him about Trump that he's willing to
take to the streets.
[15:30:02] GORANI: Welcome back. Your top stories. Donald Trump is holding a rally in Anaheim, California. He's just taken to the podium
right now. Here are some images of him now.
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We were talking at the beginning of this hour about those protestors that have gathered outside. After what happened in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
police have warned that any violence will be swiftly dealt with, largely, because of those anti-Trump protests in New Mexico that turned quite
violent. Now these are live images coming to us from inside the Anaheim convention center. The national anthem there being sung at the podium and
then minutes from now, Donald Trump will be taking to that very podium and addressing his supporters.
And by the way, after having said that he would self-fund his campaign, part of his event - his appearance in California will involve events
designed to raise funds to fund his campaign.
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Now among the other stories we are following. Fierce fighting is taking place in Fallujah where the Iraqi Army is trying to retake the city from
ISIS. Forces are advancing from the south, the east and the west, and a government campaign to reclaim territory from the Islamic militants. Six
security Iraqi officers were killed, 10 others were wounded when four ISIS suicide bombers blew themselves up south of Fallujah on Wednesday. And
separately, just east of the city, troops recaptured a village from ISIS, but the battle is ongoing and will be tough and long.
The American President Barack Obama has touched down for a historic in Japan. While there, he will become the first sitting American president to
step foot in Hiroshima, one of the two cities where American dropped a nuclear bomb at the end of World World II. Before that, Mr. Obama will
meet with leaders of the G7 countries. Earlier, he spoke with Japanese prime minister, Shinzo Abe.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The alliance between the United States and Japan is a critical foundation for
the security of both of our countries. That alliance has also helped to fortify peace and security throughout the region.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Now, CNN's Asian Pacific Editor Andrew Stevens takes a look at what will be on the table at that G7 summit.
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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN'S ASIAN PACIFIC EDITOR: The still unexplained crash of EgyptAir Flight 804 is making sure that security remains in the headlines
at this week's G7 meeting in Ise-Shima, Japan.
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STEVENS: U.S. officials suspect the plane was brought down by a terror attack, and White House sources say the summit gives leaders a chance to
consult on a response to that crash, as well as, talk face-to-face on a draft of security issues, ranging from ISIS in the Middle East to North
Korea's nuclear proliferation. The global economy will also be high on the agenda. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is pushing the world's seven biggest
developed economies for coordinated action on helping to kick start global growth, but not all member countries support the plan, say analysts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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TOSHHIRO NAGAHAMA, ECONOMIST (through translator): Japan is calling for the need for fiscal stimulus, but it's unlikely that an agreement will be
met as some countries, such as, Germany, are hesitant.
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STEVENS: And one country, which is a not a G7 member, but will be a major presence at this year's summit, is China. Tensions in the South China Sea
continue to rise after it unilaterally claimed a sway (ph) as maritime territory rich in oil, natural gas and fish stocks and then built a
military base. It's angered many of China's neighbors, who also claim ownership including the host of this year's summit.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well police were ready for rowdiness, even unrest, outside today's Trump rally in California.
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GORANI: Well that was largely because of these scenes from outside a Trump event in New Mexico last night. Anti-Trump demonstrators there became
violent; they threw rocks, they taunted police, but here are live images coming to us from California. The anti-Trump crowd is relatively small,
and the scene is peaceful while Trump addresses supporters inside the convention center. It's just a war of words right now. Trump has just
taken to the podium there a moment ago.
Let's try to better understand what is motivating the protestors. Hoku Jeffrey is a protest organizer. He joins me on the phone from outside the
convention center in Anaheim.
So Hoku, why are you protesting right now? Why do you feel the need to show up in person at the convention center?
Hoku, can you hear me? OK, trying one last time. Hoku Jeffrey, can you hear you?
HOKU JEFFREY, DONALD TRUMP PROTEST ORGANIZER: I can hear you, can you hear me?
GORANI: Yes, good. Hoku, yes, you're on the air. Tell me, why do you feel the need to protest in person at some of these events? What is it
that upsets you so much about what Donald Trump is saying?
JEFFREY: Well our organization is (INAUDIBLE) - stands for the coalition to defend affirmative action, integration and immigrant rights and fight
for equality by any means necessary. (INAUDIBLE) if necessary. And, at this point, a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for establishing a new
(INAUDIBLE) -pro system in America, a racist, segregated, (INAUDIBLE) pro system with violence to back it up. And from the standpoint of the aims of
our organization, which you have some sense of - from the name I just said of our group, but we do work regarding police brutality, rape and sexual
assault, immigrant rights ...
GORANI: So Hoku, Donald Trump supporters say, "OK, well, those who are responsible for the violence are actually protestors like those who showed
up in Albequerque, they threw rocks, there were arrests. There was a lot of destruction. What do you make of those methods from some of the
protestors who show up at these events?
JEFFREY: Donald Trump has said that - he's basically made clear that - to police departments all across America, that are inclined to brutalize black
and Latino communities that he will back them. He has - he has made the kind of open declaration with banning Muslims and, you know, keeping
immigrants from Mexico and Central America that foster (INAUDIBLE), the kind of racist violence that would occur if, you know, if - that a vote for
him would be.
GORANI: Yes, but the Trump supporters are saying the violence has come from the anti-Trump demonstrators this time. I mean, is this not giving -
if you want to combat Trump's ideas, you know, isn't that giving them ammunition, isn't that giving them a reason point fingers and say, "Look
who's actually causing trouble here."
JEFFREY: We don't accept the ability of neo-Nazi, racist, Ku Klux Klan type organizations to organize for murder under an official banner, the
Trump banner, with no disagreement from Trump himself. We don't accept their right to do that. And that's why the protests have been breaking out
at Trump rallies and imagine will continue to, and that's why we're here at the Trump rally in Anaheim, to make clear, to all those racist, neo-Nazi,
other forces with the inclination to use this as an opportunity to do violence on our communities, that we will not have it.
GORANI: All right, Hoku Jeffrey. He's at that protest. It's a small one, certainly it's been calm so far in Anaheim, California. Thanks very much
for joining us, one of the demonstrators outside the convention center at that Trump event.
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Now a new report could Donald Trump ammunition as he sharpens his attacks against Hillary Clinton. Now we mentioned earlier this hour that the State
Department's Inspector General, is criticizing Clinton's use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state. The report she did not
comply with policies requiring her to surrender all e-mails dealing with official business before leaving government service.
Let's talk more about the significance of this report. Stephen Collinson, a Senior Reporter with CNN Politics, joins me now.
So I've heard some of his surrogates, Donald Trump, on our air and in other media outlets, latching onto this report. I mean, I can already see that
this is going to be a major strategy, an attack strategy from Donald Trump going forward.
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: That's right, Hala, it plays directly into Donald Trump's sort of central conceit of his campaign
against Hillary Clinton, that she's dishonest, she's not transparent, that the Clintons have a long history of malfeasance. This was an internal
State Department watchdog report.
It found that Hillary Clinton had broken the rules of the department in not handing over her e-mails, her official e-mails, and you know, not having a
State Department server. It doesn't put her in legal jeopardy right now, that could come if the FBI judges later that she had - she has not been -
she didn't have integrity in taking care of her State Department e-mails, keeping them away from eavesdroppers, hackers, et cetera. But it's a
certainly a political problem, and it's going to get a lot worse as this campaign goes on.
GORANI: And by the way, I'm just told by my producer that Trump did just qualify this report looking into Hillary Clinton's e-mail server as "Not
good," that's what I've got for you so far, Stephen. All right, but let's talk a little bit, also, about how the candidate Trump now is going to look
at other ways to attack Hillary Clinton. He's really just digging into the candidate's past, her husband as well, scandals from the 90s.
I do wonder if that didn't occur to her back then. Why would he choose this strategy today?
COLLINSON: I think there are a number of reasons, Hala. The first one is that Donald Trump himself, as we know, has very low approval rating, so I
think what he's trying to do is bring Hillary Clinton's approval ratings down into the gutter with him, so they can slug this out, and it becomes a
much more generic Republican against Democratic fight.
I think he's trying to get into the Clinton campaign's head. They're trying to attack Donald Trump on his business practices, on his past a real
estate, even on some of his personal characteristics and fitness to be president.
This is a way of getting back at the campaign and sort of seizing the news agenda. I think, also, that's he's trying to, perhaps, get Bill Clinton
off the field. Bill Clinton is a very talented politician, still, he carries out multiple campaign rallies for Hillary Clinton.
If everybody's talking about what Bill Clinton did in the 1990s, they're being reminded of the impeachment of Bill Clinton over his affair with a
White House intern, that could make it more difficult for Bill Clinton to be an asset for Hillary Clinton's campaign. So it didn't work for
Republicans before. Bill Clinton left office very popular. It could work for Donald Trump because he might have different motives in attacking the
Clintons over the 1990s, than the Republicans did back then.
GORANI: Stephen Collinson, thanks very much, joining us from Washington. And by the way, you can take a look at the race with the new program, State
of the Race with my colleague, Kate Baldwin. That airs right before this program 7:30 p.m. London time, 2:30 p.m. Eastern time, right here on CNN.
A quick break. When we come back with the Olympic games just a few months away, the host city is struggling with a crime wave. Not good. Another
problem for Brazil. Athletes were even targeted. We'll be live in Rio. And, also, (INAUDIBLE) gear is back, but will the new host be able to
recreate the massive success of their predecessors? Stay with us.
GORANI: Well, if you are looking forward to the Olympic games, that means you know it's only about three months until that all kicks off. Except
here's one of the many problems in Rio. It is grappling with a crime wave, three members of the Spanish sailing team say, they were robbed at gunpoint
there after their training session.
CNN Shasta Darlington spoke to one of them, and she joins me now live from Rio. Shasta?
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SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Hala, obviously violent crime here in Rio has a long history. Authorities had
managed to rein it in over the last decade, but now we've seen this surge in everything from purse snatching to homicides, which means that even an
Olympic athlete on his way to a training at 10 a.m. isn't safe.
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DARLINGTON: The Olympics are on the horizon. But Gold Medalist, Fernando Echavarri is worried about a lot more than water and wind currents.
He tells me he and his team were leaving breakfast when they were robbed at gunpoint by a gang of teenagers.
FERNANDO ECHAVARRI, GOLD MEDALIST SAILOR IN RIO FOR OLYMPICS: And we just turn around to see what was happening, and we saw the pistol like this.
DARLINGTON: He thinks thieves are targeting visiting athletes.
ECHAVARRI: You can get robbed in Rio any time of the year, but if we're going to be here for the games, all these people know that there is going
to be opportunity.
DARLINGTON: In fact, authorities say robberies and homicides are on the rise in Rio. One man has created a website that shows the robberies, he
says he's filmed from his downtown window.
This guy jumps to rob a bus passenger. No-one intervenes when this man is tackled for his gold chain. Many videos show young people swarming their
targets. Complicating matters, Rio's police force has been hit with budget cuts. Over time and benefits reduced. And officers are quitting.
But the state security chief says he demanding help for the games to ensure the 85,000 strong security detail, as promised.
STATE SECURITY CHIEF, RIO (through translator): There's a need for police officers, he says, we're going to have to use police from outside the
state. We're going to have to ask for help from the army for Olympic venues.
DARLINGTON: That will allow Rio's police to focus on securing the city and impoverished (INAUDIBLE), many still controlled by criminal games.
In the sprawling complex of Diwali Mela (ph), more than a dozen favelas cling to the hills connected by a gondola.
We go on patrol with the military police there who battled their way in back in 2010.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE MILITARY POLICIE RIO (through translator): He's explaining when they first came in here to Diwali Mela (ph), it was more
than 12 hours straight of shoot-outs before they were actually able to take control from drug traffickers.
DARLINGTON: Six years later, police still keep their guard up. Community activists say this year alone, 26 people have been killed or injured in
shoot-outs here, many hit by stray bullets. Pressure is building as the Olympics get closer, police say it won't end when the games are over.
The worst thing, Hala, is this is actually the second time that Spain's (INAUDIBLE) has been robbed. They got away with money, cell phones. They
couldn't carry away some of the heavier equipment, but he feels like they're actually taking advantage of this window of opportunity before
soldiers and contingency forces really descend on the city during the games, Hala.
GORANI: All right, Shasta Darlington, thanks very much. You can check this out on Facebook, facebook.com/halagoranicnn. There we post some of our
show's content there. A quick break, and still ahead, the so-called war on terrier is entering the next round. Johnny Depp is heating up his public
feud with an Australian politician. Details next.
GORANI: Well it's one of the world's most watched television shows, but starting this weekend, Top Gear will be going in a different direction.
The British broadcaster, Chris Evans, will host along with Matt LeBlanc, aka, Joey from Friends, but I mean, most of you who have watched Top Gear
probably remember Jeremy Clarkson and (INAUDIBLE), but it was so popular, maybe many of you haven't heard of Chris Evans.
So will this show be able to replicate the success of the old version of Top Gear?
Phil Black investigates.
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PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The world is about to find out what the BBC has done to one of the planet's most watched programs.
Top Gear is back. This is just a taste. It looks the same, (INAUDIBLE), silly stunts, all beautifully shot, but the faces are new. If you're one
of the shows 350 million viewers or even if you're not, you probably know why the line-up change was necessary.
Last year, presented Jeremy Clarkson got a little punchy with a producer after a long day at work. So the BBC sacked him. Co-presenters James May
and Richard Hammond decided to walk away, too. And ever since, the BBC has been working to save one its most lucrative brands.
They made a big international hire, Matt LeBlanc, the former Friends' star and self-confessed petro (ph) head. LeBlanc and British broadcaster, Chris
Evans, will co-host. There's a new wider team of presenters, too, and The Stig is, well, still The Stig.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that within 72 hours of the first show being broadcast, it will have been seen in 83 countries, on six continents, so
it's a pretty big audition for us. We're going to have to wait and see.
BLACK: Chris Evans has become a regular target for Britain's tabloid press in signing onto the show. Reports have accused him of bullying, ranting
and other unstable behavior, forcing out senior staff and fueding LeBlanc. Evans, LeBlanc, the show, the BBC say that's all nonsense. But Evans says
he has a lot of respect for LeBlanc's car (INAUDIBLE).
CHRIS EVANS, BBC SHOW TOP GEAR: He loves cars, you know, he can fix a car, he (INAUDIBLE) a car, and he can strip the car engine and put it back
together almost blindfolded, and he's a brilliant driver.
BLACK: Meanwhile Clarkson, May (ph) and Hammond are (INAUDIBLE) away on their new project, with the streaming service, Amazon Prime. Their few
promotions, so far, have focused on the search for the show's name.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The show, I think, will sit on the internet like - and this is what I'm suggesting for the name - a small puddle of excellence.
They eventually settled on the Grand Tour. Its premier is still months away. Long before then, Top Gear fans will have declared judgement on
whether the new version of their beloved show is firing on all cylinders.
Phil Black, CNN, London.
GORANI: Now the war of words is heated up again between movie star, Johnny Depp, and Australia's Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. Here's Rosemary
Church with the latest in the war on terrier.
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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN, INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The so-called war on terrior just got some extra bite. Ever since Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
illegally brought their dogs, Pistol and Boo, into Australia last year, the famous couple have found themselves locked in battle with Aussie
authorities. None more so than Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. Joyce's agriculture department posted a now infamous video apology in which
an awkward-looking Depp told the world that Australia's laws should be respected and Heard (INAUDIBLE) what sounded like the opening lines of a
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AMBER HEARD, WIFE OF MOVIE STAR JOHNNY DEPP: Australia's a wonderful island with a treasure trove of unique plants, animals and people.
JOHNNY DEPP, MOVIE STAR, HOLLYWOOD: It has to be protected.
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CHURCH: Just this week, talk show host Jimmy Kimmel attempted to get the full story behind the video.
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JIMMY KIMMEL, TALK SHOW HOST: Was that - who wrote that?
DEPP: A genius.
KIMMEL: Did you watch it back afterwards before releasing it?
DEPP: No because I didn't want to kill myself.
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CHURCH: After what seemed like a deliberate humilitation of Hollywood royalty, Barnaby Joyce has been reveling in his own celebrity, now boasting
about his terrier triumph with a bizarre analogy.
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BARNABY JOYCE, DEPUTY PRIMARY MINISTER OF AUSTRALIA: I think I'm turning (INAUDIBLE) I'm inside his head, I'm pulling little strings and pulling
little levers and long after I've forgotten about Mr. Depp, he's remembering me, so just keep on advertising me, Johnny. The thing is,
Australian people know, that we did the right thing. When I walk around the streets of town, (INAUDIBLE), streets of Brandenburg, or in the
(INAUDIBLE) in Syndny whether they - to be honest, whether they like me or not, they say, "We don't completely like you, but you were right on that
one." You know, kind of (INAUDIBLE) country. He was (INAUDIBLE).
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CHURCH: Depp was in charge of the incident and Heard was sentenced only to a one-month good behavior bond, but the deputy prime minister, who
threatened to have the dogs euthanized, apparently, wants to ensure that the court of public opinion, gives the couple a lengthy shaming.
Rosemary Church, CNN.
GORANI: All right, well, shortly before President Obama left Vietnam, he held a meeting with young leaders. His final question coming from
Vietnam's queen of hiphop, but before answering her question, the President asked for an in promptu performance.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Before I answser your question, why don't you give me a little rap? Let's see what you got. Do you need like a little beat?
VIETNAM RAPPER: Yes, I do, actually.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Go ahead, come on.
VIETNAM RAPPER: Rapping.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: That's pretty good. What were you just rapping? What was your verse there?
VIETNAM RAPPER: I was just talking about some people having a lot of money, having big houses, but actually, are they really happy? So ...
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: OK.
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GORANI: Well, there you have it, beatboxing with the president.
This has been the WORLD RIGHT NOW, I'm Hala Gorani. Thanks for watching. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS is next.