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VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Protesters and supporters clash outside a Trump rally in San Diego.
[07:00:01] Police move in with riot gear, arresting dozens.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And the Libertarian Party convention is under way right now in Orlando. Victor there, you see him sitting down with their leading nominees to find out why the Libertarian Party has its best chance yet to prove they're a viable third party choice.
BLACKWELL: And a nightmare super bug discovered now in the U.S. even the strongest antibiotics can't kill it. What can be done to fight the bacteria?
PAUL: Doesn't that make you want to get up and face the day?
Good morning to you. We are always grateful for your company. Nonetheless, I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you this Saturday morning.
There won't be parades or picnics in parts of Texas this Memorial Day. The state caught up in flooding emergencies after getting hit by more than a foot of rain.
PAUL: Two people are dead from the heavy storms in southeast Texas. One of them apparently found in a vehicle that was swept away by floodwater. For Houston and Austin, there is no end in sight. If you are there, there is more rain expected throughout the weekend.
BLACKWELL: Folks in the Midwest could see more water rescues like this today. The Missouri's governor is declaring a state of emergency and warning of potential flash flooding there.
Also, overnight, tropical storm warnings were posted for parts of the Southeast. How could this impact your Memorial Day weekend travel plans?
PAUL: Well, that answer coming from Allison Chinchar in the severe weather center.
Allison, what are you learning about what we can expect, say, in the next 24 to 48 hours?
ALLISON CHINCHAR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, here, let's start with the tropical storm. But we will get to the Texas flooding in just a moment.
Here's a look at our current watches. We do have tropical storm watches and warnings out for portions of South Carolina right now ahead of the tropical depression. Now, it's not a named storm just yet, but likely to get that distinction later today and when it does, it will get the name Bonnie because we're starting off a little bit later. We had Alex back in January, if you recall.
Here is a look at what it is expected to do. Late tonight, we're talking overnight Saturday into Sunday is when it is expected to make landfall. That's when the brunt of the storm will end up hitting. It is supposed to be right around the area of Charleston, South Carolina. And then, it will kind of drag up the coast. We've got another blocking pattern out to the west preventing it from coming too far inland.
So that helps cities like Atlanta and Charlotte but doesn't help cities like Hilton Head, stretching up to Wilmington and the outer banks, which will all be affected by this particular storm, bringing very heavy rainfall, some rip currents and heavy coastal flooding. Another area where they've been dealing with flooding has been Texas. Unfortunately, for these folks, as we take it through the day, even more rain is expected to many of these areas.
Now, the heavier rain today will be focused on the western half of the state, not quite the Houston to Austin area that we've seen the incredible torrential rain in the last 48 hours, but nonetheless, we still expect much rainy conditions across much of the Southeast for your Memorial Day forecast guys.
But, the good news is, there are going to be some nice cities. I want to emphasize that. Chicago, Minneapolis, Cincinnati will actually have a very nice Memorial Day forecast.
PAUL: Thank you. A little bit of sunshine there. Allison Chinchar, we appreciate it. Thank you.
PAUL: Wouldn't want to be too near that, would you? This was the scene outside a Donald Trump rally in San Diego? Police clad in riot gear clashing with protesters, at least 35 people were arrested and it's not the first.
This is a scene that is becoming somewhat familiar outside the presumptive Republican nominee rallies. Donald Trump tweeted this to San Diego police -- San Diego PD, "fantastic job on handling the thugs who tried to disrupt our very peaceful and well attended rally. Greatly appreciated."
I want to bring in CNN correspondent Scott McLean. Scott, I know protests outside these valleys are not unusual, let's
say. But the one in California looked particularly sizable and potent. What are you learning this morning?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Christi, good morning.
So, that's what took place outside. And inside that event, Donald Trump was making some pretty bold pronouncements in San Diego. Chief among them is that he could win California in the general election despite the fact that the state has not voted Republican in a presidential election since 1988. It is also a state with a high Latino population, a group that Trump is struggling to win over as you can see from those protest pictures.
Now, Donald Trump says this is all part of a larger strategy to focus on about 15 states in the general election, some are traditional swing states and some are Democratic strongholds, places like New York, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
PAUL: Scott, there were a lot of people talking about this as well overnight, Trump wanting to debate Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders welcoming it with open arms saying, OK, let's do this thing, and then Donald Trump backing away from that.
What are we hearing today about the reasoning there?
[07:05:02] MCLEAN: Yes. So, what is definitely not part of Donald Trump's strategy is debating Bernie Sanders. As many people had predicted, it looks like this proposed debate -- which was actually first floated on late night TV -- it is not going to happen after all. Both men seemed to be on board and two networks were on board as well.
But yesterday, Donald Trump put out a statement saying, now that I am the presumptive nominee, it seems inappropriate that I would bate the second place finisher and this is what Bernie Sanders had to say reacting to that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, I hope that he changes his mind, again. I mean, Mr. Trump is known to change his mind many times in a day. And I would -- Trump goes around, he is a bully. He is a big, tough guy.
Well, Mr. Trump, what are you afraid of? Why do you not want to see a debate here in California and obviously all across this country?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCLEAN: And, Christi, I am positive that there were a heck of a lot of people who were hoping to see that match-up between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. But alas, we will have to wait for the general election.
PAUL: Yes, no doubt about it. Scott McLean, we appreciate it. Thank you. BLACKWELL: The Libertarian Party hoping the turmoil around the major
parties pushes voters its way. The party is holding its nominating convention this weekend in Orlando. The party's front-runner, Gary Johnson, he's a former two-term governor of New Mexico who ran president as a Libertarian in 2012. He earned 1.3 million votes, the most ever for a Libertarian candidate. But that's just 1 percent of the overall turnout in November of 2012.
Johnson's pick for vice president: Bill Weld, the former Massachusetts governor who briefly ran as a Libertarian for the governor's office in New York and at one time was nominated for the post of ambassador to Mexico. Now, on Friday, I sat down with both weld and Johnson, their first ever interview together that asked about Weld's relationship with former President Clinton who nominated him to be ambassador to Mexico, as well as whether or not Johnson at one time the CEO of a company that sells marijuana products would use the drug in the White House.
BLACKWELL: You were nominated before you resign as governor of Massachusetts to be ambassador of Mexico by President Clinton. What is your relationship with the Clintons?
BILL WELD, LIBERTARIAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's good. I worked with Mrs. Clinton back in the '70s. We were still in our 20s. That was on the Nixon impeachment. Fascinating time. Bill Clinton I got along with very well as fellow governors and I was generally supportive of him as president as well.
BLACKWELL: When is the last time you've spoken with the Clintons, Secretary Clinton?
WELD: I don't think I've spoken with her in two years. I've seen her in New York. Because I lived in New York for ten years not long ago, and I would see both of them there.
BLACKWELL: And you ran for New York governor. Do you have any relationship with Donald Trump?
WELD: I knew Donald socially in New York. That's all. But yes, we did see him and Melania around town a little bit.
BLACKWELL: And what's your opinion of him?
WELD: Well, you know, there's the Donald Trump that you meet socially and he's a warm person, not an ungenerous person. Some of the stuff that he's running on I think is absolutely chaotic. I'm going to do this to Mexico. OK. That's a violation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which is the supreme law of the land. It's a treaty, we signed it.
I'm going to do this to China. No questions asked. OK, that's a violation of the World Trade Organization rules exposing us, the United States, to sanctions there. So, we would be the rogue nation. I don't think we want to be the
rogue nation. You know? Let's let North Korea be the rogue nation, not us.
BLACKWELL: Governor Johnson, Donald Trump is no stranger to name calling. Hillary Clinton has said that she's not going to get into what she calls the gutter with him. During the February Libertarian debate, you called him a word that is so vulgar I cannot say it on CNN. Is that the way you're going to wage this campaign?
GARY JOHNSON, LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. It was a really poor attempt at humor. It was a total misfire. I apologize and I'm better than that and you won't see that at all.
BLACKWELL: How do you then go after Donald Trump? Because some of the monikers he's handed out, they've stuck and they've worked. How do you go after --
WELD: You don't go after anybody. I was never a member of the never- Trump crowd. I declined that invitation. I think he deserves a lot of credit for what he's been able to do, bringing people into the Republican Party. I think some of those people are going to stay in the Republican Party.
BLACKWELL: Would you call him a friend?
WELD: No, no. No, no. No. I would call the Clintons closer to being friends.
BLACKWELL: Right before you announced your 2016 candidacy for president, you were CEO of a company called Cannabis Sativa, maker and marketer of cannabis products. You've been very open about your use of cannabis products.
I wonder, would a President Johnson use cannabis products in the White House?
JOHNSON: No, I wouldn't. I've been on record saying that. I haven't had a drink in 29 years. No, I don't think -- I think I really have a proven record of discipline beyond most people.
[07:10:04] And, no, I don't think you want to have the president of the United States impaired or potentially being impaired in any way whatsoever.
BLACKWELL: Governor Johnson also told me during that interview that he hasn't used cannabis products in four weeks and continues to stay sober throughout the rest of the campaign. You can see my full interview with Gary Johnson and Bill Weld on our website, of course, that's CNN.com.
And CNN is at the Libertarian convention in Florida all weekend. We'll have live coverage beginning this afternoon on "CNN NEWSROOM". PAUL: Some of the world's most prominent doctors are warning that the
Summer Olympics in Brazil could pose a global health threat. We'll talk about it.
BLACKWELL: Plus, the family of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un living in New York. Why his aunt says Kim started out as just an ordinary boy.
PAUL: Thirteen minutes past the hour in this Saturday morning.
And dozens of doctors from around the world are publicly urging that the Summer Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro be moved or postponed because of the Zika virus.
The fear is that the surge in international visitors and athletes to Brazil will spread the disease to beyond the 60 countries where it is already a concern.
BLACKWELL: Yes. But both the World Health Organization and the CDC, they downplay that threat. They say the Zika virus will continue to spread globally regardless of when or where the Olympic Games are held.
Our senior international correspondent Ivan Watson has more now from Rio.
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A group of more than 100 doctors and researchers have issued a public warning about health risks to the Olympics that are scheduled to take place here in Rio in just over two months' time.
The doctors writing that they're very concerned about the threats of the Zika virus. It is a mosquito-borne disease that is still being investigated at this time.
[07:15:02] These doctors writing to the world health organization saying that the Olympics should either be postponed or moved to another place, warning that the risks of having a half million tourists coming here and then potentially bringing the virus to other countries around the world to perhaps third world countries that don't have good health care facilities, that that could be a major threat to global health.
Now, this is coming in direct contradiction to advisories that have come from the world health organization and from the Centers for Disease Control. The CDC, just on Thursday, said, quote, "No public health reason -- there's no public health reason to cancel or delay the Olympics. The advisory was for pregnant women not to travel here and for people to use mosquito repellant to protect them from mosquitoes."
The WHO has also advised people not to go into poorer districts of Rio where there is no are open water and could be more expose to mosquitoes. The city officials say they're working hard to try to crack down on the mosquito population and they say that here is the winter months here in the southern hemisphere that there are usually fewer mosquitoes at this time.
But the debate between doctors and health officials is likely to continue.
Ivan Watson, CNN, Rio.
BLACKWELL: We've got one of the voices, part of that debate, Dr. Arthur Caplan who heads the medical ethics division at New York University. He was one of the health care experts to sign the letter to the World Health Organization and he tells CNN why he is concerned about the Olympic Games spreading the Zika virus.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DR ARTHUR CAPLAN, NEW YORK UNIVERSITY: One possible scenario is that the disease spreads to parts of the world where they don't have Zika and where they wouldn't necessarily get it -- Thailand, India, Vietnam, places where mosquitoes flourish. But it's not going to arrive there unless infected people bring it home.
The Zika virus is coming toward the U.S. I believe it is going to come here. That's probably why the CDC said there is no increased risk because it's going to come here. But to other countries, I think there is risk.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL: Now, the head of the CDC says it will update its recommendations on traveling to Brazil if circumstances change. But as Ivan said, I want to reiterate some of these, if you're planning to go to the Olympic Games, the World Health Organization wants you to do this.
Use mosquito repellant and cover bare skin with light colored clothing. No unprotect the sex, they say. And stay in air conditioned accommodations. Avoiding places with poor sanitation and without proper plumbing obviously.
BLACKWELL: All right. Watch out for all that.
Now, if you all don't know -- Christi is from Ohio.
BLACKWELL: And Cleveland's long wait for championship could be coming to an end and LeBron James could be the one to break the drought.
PAUL: Yes, CNN's Rashan Ali following the excitement. Oh, yes.
Hi, Rashan. RASHAN ALI, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hey there. King James reigns supreme in the NBA Finals. He's on a historic run that hasn't been equaled in five decades. Details next.
[07:21:35] PAUL: So LeBron James is heading to the NBA finals for the sixth straight season! That is a streak that hasn't been equaled in 50 years!
BLACKWELL: Rashan Ali is here with more on King James' historic run.
ALI: Yes, guys, no one has been to the NBA finals as often since Bill Russell and the Boston Celtics in the '60s! Woo!
The Cavs won the Eastern Conference title last night with a huge game six win over the Toronto Raptors. LeBron and his teammates have won the Eastern Conference every season since 2011. Now, remember, he won four straight conference titles with the Miami Heat in the past two with the Cavs.
Now, Cleveland has a shot to win its first professional sports championship in 52 years. And they hope King James will be the guy to me it happen. It's back-to-back appearances in the finals for the Cavs and the sixth straight for an emotional King James.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEBRON JAMES, CAVALIERS FORWARD: It means a lot. I mean the game of basketball has given me everything and I will never cheat the game, no matter how many games I win, no matter how many games I lose. That really doesn't matter to me because I really just -- I give it all.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ALI: More hoops action tonight on TNT. Game six between the defending champion Warriors and the Thunder. Tip off is set for 9:00 Eastern.
PAUL: OK. So, based on what you know, what are the chances, do you think?
ALI: That LeBron wins? They're playing stellar basketball right now. But, OKC and the Warriors are very good basketball teams. So we will see. It is going to be outstanding finals, no matter what.
BLACKWELL: The series is going to be great. Who wouldn't love to see LeBron bring one back to Cleveland, right?
ALI: That's the best story ever.
That would be great for you, Christi.
PAUL: I mean, it is, yes.
(LAUGHTER) PAUL: It's great for me personally because I'm happy about it, but not because -- I don't get any credit. All on Cavs, people. Go Cavs! I'm with you! I feel ya!
Thank you so much.
ALI: My pleasure.
BLACKWELL: Thanks so much.
Hey, a serious turn here. For the first time in the U.S., doctors are faced with the so-called super bug resistant to most antibiotics.
PAUL: First though, I want to make sure that you have a look at the current mortgage rates for you.
[07:27:25] PAUL: Pretty messy, doesn't it?
Angry crowds there outside a Donald Trump rally in San Diego. Officers pushed protesters and several were pepper sprayed, as you can see there.
BLACKWELL: At least 35 people arrested here. Similar episodes have unfolded in several states outside rallies for the presumptive Republican nominee. Donald Trump saying now he will not face off against Bernie Sanders after the candidates earlier this week floated the idea of going toe-to-toe on a debate stage. Trump now says it would be, quote, "inappropriate."
Well, this comes, of course, as the presumed GOP nominee touts a new general election strategy. Look at this map. Trump plans to try and paint all of these states red. Some of them, like California, have not seen a Republican win since the 1980s.
Listen to what Trump said last night in Fresno.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No other Republican -- let's say Ted Cruz won or let's say any one of them won -- they wouldn't even come here for dinner. Because they are told that, as a Republican, you have zero chance. OK?
I really believe we're going to win it. I think we have a real chance to win it. And you know what? I view it strategically, also. Because if we don't win it, they are going to spend one hell of a fortune in fighting me off, that I can tell you.
(END VIDEO CLI)
PAUL: Holly Shulman, Democratic strategist and former spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee, and Scottie Nell Hughes, political editor for RightAlert.com, and a Donald Trump supporter.
Ladies, always great to have you here. Thank you.
Scottie, I want to start with you. When you look at what happened last night, you look at the protesters, I'm wondering, we've not only seen this at Trump rallies, we've seen some discourse certainly at Bernie Sanders events as well or certainly at that one event.
What does this say about the American people as a whole, the electorate and who is going to be going to the polls? Forget about the nominees for a moment or the presumptive nominees. What does it say about the people who would be making the decision about who gets in the White House?
SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, POLITICAL EDITOR, RIGHTALERTS.COM: I think what it says is that people are very emotional. They're very engaged with this election year because of probably the last eight years and the policies that they feel very frustrated with and they are experiencing it.
It's interesting you said, what do Americans feel? What does the American electorate feel?
Well, there were actually ten times more people inside that rally last night in San Diego than there were outside that rally that were protesting it. And so, you sit there and you go, wait a minute, the people that were peaceful, the people that were sitting there wanting to hear about a possible future person they were going to vote for, they were inside.
[07:30:02] Yet, the cameras were outside showing this loud crowd that we see continues to escalate at every single event. And with 8 million more people voting in this year's election on the GOP side, you can tell that the Republican Party has done a great job of engaging their voters and making sure they are getting to the polls, where we are seeing this disruption on the other side.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: I want to go to you now, Holly, because we heard there from Donald Trump his game plan is essentially to force Hillary Clinton in California to spend an awful lot of money, whether he wins or not in the primary. For the primary -- or in the general election.
For her in the primary, if she does not win the primary, if, by some chance, Bernie Sanders does win, what does that do for her general election prospects?
HOLLY SHULMAN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, you know, I think that California will only be in play if voters there tend to like Donald Trump, and the answer to that question right no you is they don't. All these policies are so out of step of where they stand.
And the other thing is that Donald Trump's campaign, the mantra in 2012 and 2008 was data and organization. Neither of those things are things Donald Trump seems to be caring about a whole lot so I don't think that he'll have a whole lot of luck in pushing new frontier states, and I don't think he's going to have an easy time in the swing states either. PAUL: There is an article on the front page of "The New York Times"
website this morning and they're talking about a sense of paranoia. I want to quote this, "A sense of paranoia is growing among his campaign staff," meaning Trump, "including some have told some associates they believe that their Trump Tower offices in New York maybe bugged."
What do you know about any discourse or trepidations that some in the Trump camp might have about him right now, Scottie?
HUGHES: I don't think there is -- this is just normal campaigns growing. You are taking a lot of people, some that have been involved in politics before, some from business and putting them all together and saying, your main goal is to get Mr. Trump elected. And from that point everybody is getting to learn each other. These are not people that have been engaged.
And interesting that Holly brought up data from 2008 and 2012. Those campaigns lost. That is the reason why the Republican Party possibly has lost is because they sat there and looked at the numbers and forgot the people. That's something the Democrats have done great. They're able to relate.
This election cycle, we are seeing Mr. Trump relate. He spent a third less than Hillary Clinton and the other candidates. He has half the staff size, yet he has been able to sit here and draw record numbers, historical numbers because it's the people empowering him, not necessarily the dollars or the data.
So, I don't know about anything going on within the campaign of being bugged, those sorts of things. I think those could be just little rumors. The key right now is getting votes that are coming together from the business and political communities to work together for the common goal which is Mr. -- electing Mr. Trump.
PAUL: Over the last 12 hours, there has been a lot of talk about a possible debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Donald Trump had proposed it. Bernie Sanders said bring it on. Donald Trump then at the last minute said, no, this isn't going to happen. We know that Bernie Sanders wanted to debate Hillary Clinton before the California primary. She has refused to do so as well.
Holly, why is it, do you think, that both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are refusing to debate Bernie Sanders?
SHULMAN: You know, I think that the American people have seen a lot of these candidates on TV and I'm not sure that anyone needs to see any more of them. Would I clear schedule for that Bernie/Trump debate? Absolutely.
But, you know, I think it is time that people start talking about the issues that matter, economic issues and until Trump is willing to do that, I'm not sure that we need to see another debate between these candidates.
PAUL: But it does certainly spark a lot of emotion, as you were talking about, Scottie, #ChickenHillary and #ChickenTrump have been trending overnight.
So, Scottie, do you think it would behoove Donald Trump to debate Bernie Sanders?
HUGHES: As Mr. Trump pointed out in his press release, why should the number one person from the Republican Party debate the number two of the Democrat Party especially if the Democrat party isn't making the number one person, Hillary Clinton, fulfill her promise to debate Bernie Sanders before California? Why should Mr. Trump actually sit there and jump over and fulfill that promise?
If the Democrat Party really was serious about wanting a debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, then they should actually make Hillary Clinton fulfill her word that she was going to debate Bernie Sanders first. Let the parties figure it out for them selves and Mr. Trump as the number one Republican will go against the number one Democrat, whomever the people choose.
PAUL: All righty. And, lastly, Holly, how do you think Hillary Clinton is going to be able to win over California? What does she have to do to get out there?
SHULMAN: She's built a great organization. They are on the ground talking to voters. That's what's going to be important. You know, no amount of being on TV and being a demagogue on the issues is going to help.
[07:35:00] And so, I think that Hillary Clinton is doing the right strategy. She's on the ground. She's talking to people. She's talking about the policies that matter and that's what's going to win over voters in November and also in the primary.
PAUL: All righty. Holly Shulman and Scottie Nell Hughes, we appreciate you both being here. Thank you, ladies.
HUGHES: Thank you.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: It is a superbug that cannot be fought or killed with normal antibiotics. And doctors are warning it could be a sign of more dangerous bacterium to come.
Plus, a trusted relative of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un now living if obscurity in the U.S. She reveals what he was like as a young boy.
BLACKWELL: Thirty-nine minutes after the hour now.
And for the first time in the U.S., doctors say they have found a superbug resistant to nearly all antibiotics -- including the one doctors use when most other drugs fail.
PAUL: And scientists now say this superbug could be a warning sign of what's to come.
Here's CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, with what we know right now.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, all we know at this point is that this woman is 49 years old. That she's from Pennsylvania. That she was seen in the clinic. She wasn't in the hospital. She was seen in a clinic and she was found to have this bacteria, an E. coli bacteria that does not get killed by any existing antibiotic.
She hasn't traveled from overseas recently so this does not appear to have come from another country. And now, the focus for researchers is going to be, what do we do about this? How do we prevent this particular bacteria which is resistant to antibiotics from spreading? And where are the new antibiotics going to come from?
[07:40:03] Where are they going to come from, when are they going to come?
Again, I think medical officials for some time had been anticipating a day like this, so there's been various strategies in the works. But as things stand now, there is a bacteria out there that doesn't respond. We just got to make sure it doesn't spread and that we have more tools in the tool box as soon as possible.
Back to you.
BLACKWELL: All right. Sanjay, thanks so much.
So what could a single case in Pennsylvania mean for everyone else?
Well, joining us now to discuss is Dr. William Morrone. He's a forensic pathologist. He studies these types of bacteria, E. coli, this strain as well.
Doctor Morrone, good to have you with us this morning.
DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Good morning. Thank you for having me.
BLACKWELL: So, let's start with how big of a deal this is. Because first I talking to a forensic pathologist which worries me just a bit. But the CDC head calls this a warning sign more than a catastrophe. For whom is this warning, and what should people watching this show be watching out for?
MORRONE: What you want to know is that the stakeholders here -- health departments and your hospitals and your doctors -- are involved and engaged, because those are the people that are going to take the actions. Number one, the health departments have to be monitoring this all across America and they have to work together with the hospitals. These kind of infections are diagnosed in people after blood cultures. And when people have infections, we need to do the proper containment. People involved have to have really good hand hygiene. We have to
have contact precautions. Single rooms are more important and keeping all procedures minimally invasive.
MORRONE: The number one is antibiotics stewardship. The doctors prescribing have to stop overprescribing. So, that's a really key right there. And health department, hospitals, needs to work together with providers.
BLACKWELL: That gets to the heart of the first question.
Let me get to this one, because we know that this woman who has this strain of E. coli in Pennsylvania had not done any international travel. So, is the expectations that this mutated? I mean, how did she likely contract it?
MORRONE: OK. The bad news is, she got it from somebody here. She didn't travel. So, it's here and that's why we really need to be careful about infections around procedures, urinary tract infections, people that show new signs of pain in urinary tract infections, in men and women, we often have flank pain. But it's not unbearable. When people have really bad flank pain, that's going to be a big issue and keeping wounds clean.
She contracted here. We think that this bacteria came here, not on her, but from something we call a medical tourist. People who leave America and go get surgery in another country because they do this surgery there and it is cheaper, or it is a surgery that people don't have the expertise here. And they bring that infection back and then they have contact in America with people like this woman in Pennsylvania.
BLACKWELL: All right. So, let's talk about treatment. Because typically, colistin is the antibiotic that's given if the others don't work, that doesn't fight off this strain of E. coli. Tom Frieden, again, the director of the CDC has urged scientists to develop new drugs.
How far along that path of something stronger than what's the backstop now are the scientists, are scientists in the pharmaceutical industry?
MORRONE: Well, before I became a doctor, I work for the pharmaceutical industry, and they take 10 to 15 years to get a drug to market. In between then, what we have is a really good history of colistin is a single antibiotic. It belongs to the polymyxin family.
We know from (INAUDIBLE) that when they became resistant to single antibiotics, we began to give combinations. The combinations in this case you might give fosfomycin, a polymyxin, and aminoglycoside, these names sound funny, but the truth is, you go to the hospital and these are going to have to be I.V. antibiotics. They aren't going to be something you can take out of a bottle from the pharmacy.
So, we will have a plan, but it may mean mixing antibiotics. And the second thing is, we are always talking about antibiotics and we are focused on antibiotics.
MORRONE: The future -- and this is where Dr. Friedman's a brilliant. He's going to reach out to people and say look outside of the box.
[07:45:01] Antibiotic may not always be the answer. Probiotics.
MORRONE: Probiotics. Like what you see in yogurt.
MORRONE: And the difference between yogurt and provolone cheese is the different microbacteria that make them.
We know we give (INAUDIBLE) for antibiotic associated diarrhea. We give (INAUDIBLE). We give lactobacillus GG.
But can we give this to somebody who's been compromised who's sick? Probiotics and antibiotics, changing the model.
BLACKWELL: Dr. Morrone, I think you've helped a lot of people. Can't say I understood every element of all the science there we got the general strain.
Thanks so much for being with this morning.
On a serious topic, this is something doctors are going to be working to try to find stronger antibiotics to fight. Thanks for being with us this morning.
MORRONE: Thank you.
PAUL: All right. Listen, a close relative of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un discovered living a low-profile life here in the U.S. What she has to say about her nephew who seems to be so secretive to the rest of the world.
BLACKWELL: Plus, a hiker stepped off the Appalachian trail and got lost in the woods. She never made it out. But now, her journal has been found. Her last words to her family, next.
[07:50:04] PAUL: Fascinating details are emerging of North Korea's reclusive leader, Kim Jong-un, and the kind of child that he was. The revelations coming from an aunt who helped raise him when he was a student at a boarding school in Switzerland.
BLACKWELL: Yes, this woman and her husband defected to the U.S. years ago and now live anonymously in the U.S. That is until "The Washington Post" tracked them down.
Our Brian Todd has more. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They look like any other couple walking in Central Park and through Times Square. But now, "The Washington Post" says for nearly 20 years, this husband and wife have kept their true identities hidden.
The quiet owners of a small dry cleaning store say they are also the aunt and uncle of one of the world's most dictators, North Korea's Kim Jong-un.
ANNA FIFIELD, WASHINGTON POST: They live an entirely unremarkable American immigrant life.
TODD: Kim's aunt who says her given name is Ko Yong Suk says she is the sister of Kim's mother, Ko Yong Hui, one of Kim Jong Il's wife.
KEN CAUSE, NORTH KOREA LEADERSHIP EXPERT, CNA: She was someone that I believe she would trust obviously with the lives of her children.
TODD: Ko Yong Suk told "The Post" she traveled from North Korea to take care of Kim and his older brother and younger sister when they attended this boarding school in Switzerland.
FIFIELD: He was not a good student. He does not enjoy studying.
TODD: "Post" reporter Anna Fifield interviewed Ko and her husband Ri Gong (ph) after their existence through a lawsuit they field in South Korea. They insisted their faces, the names they use in the U.S. and the location of their home and dry cleaning business not be revealed.
Fifield says the couple tell the story of a man who was privileged and from early childhood apparently knew would inherent the leadership of North Korea. Kim's aunt said she took Kim and his siblings to Euro Disney, the French Riviera, took them skiing in the Alps. She describes as Kim as being obsessed with basketball, that he would sleep with a ball under his arm, an obsession that would lead to some surreal moments with former NBA star Dennis Rodman.
Ko Yong Suk told "The Post" there was one day when a clear signal was sent that the young Kim would succeed his father, his eighth birthday.
FIFIELD: There was a big party for him in Pyongyang and that he was presented with a general's army uniform on that day, and that there were real generals who are at that party who then, you know, bowed to this 8-year-old kid.
TODD: From that moment, Ko says, Kim's behavior changed. She describes Kim as intensely focused but, quote, "short tempered, and had a lack of tolerance."
FIFIELD: He was prone to having tantrums that would get in a huff about things. And when his mother, for example, visited and told that he shouldn't be spending so much time playing basketball, that he should be studying, he wasn't happy that and went on a hunger strike, as what his aunt said about him. TODD: Ko told "The Post", in 1988, she and her husband sought asylum
at the U.S. embassy in Switzerland, then they were taken to an American military base in Germany, questioned for months.
When they got to the United States they received housing and money from the CIA.
(on camera): The CIA would not comment on the aunt's interview with "The Washington Post". Ko Yong Suk's husband Ri Gong says he wants to go back to Pyongyang for a visit, as a sort of goodwill ambassador between the U.S. and North Korea. One analyst says that would be a suicidal act. Ko says she's trying to talk her husband out of it.
Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.
BLACKWELL: Does Donald Trump have a real plan to take California or is he just California dreaming? He says he can flip the Democratic stronghold to his side this election. Could that be as likely as Georgia going for a Democrat? The mayor of Atlanta weighs in at the top of the next hour.
PAUL: Words from beyond the grave, so to speak, a hiker, the body of a lost hiker, I should say, is found and with it, her journal and her final word to her family.
[07:57:21] PAUL: Two years after Gerry Largay got lost hiking the Appalachian Trail, authorities finally found her body.
BLACKWELL: And with her, they found her journal where she had written final instructions for after her death.
SUBTITLE: Gerry Largay was hiking the Appalachian trail when she disappeared in 2013. Her body was found more than two years later, and among her possession was a journal.
Her journal entries revealed she was alive for almost a month after she went missing.
Her final entry was to her husband and daughter.
"When you find my body, please call my husband George and my daughter Kerry. It will be the greatest kindness for them to know that I am dead and where you found me -- no matter how many years from now. Please find it in your heart to mail the contents of this bag to one of them."
Authorities said she died from starvation and exposure.
Largay was in good health and was an experienced hiker.
PAUL: Every year, by the way, an estimated 2 million people hike some portion of the 2,200 mile Appalachian Trail.
BLACKWELL: And more of that story is on our website, of course. That's CNN.com.
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