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Trump Attacks Media. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired May 31, 2016 - 12:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

[12:00:00] MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: But, look, what we saw today is Donald Trump taking his greatest strength, which is the ability to raise money for veterans, and really increasing his greatest weaknesses, inability to try to capitalize on it. And that's exactly what we saw today, John.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, guys, thank you one and all for being with us.

BOLDUAN: Thank you all for sitting with us.

BERMAN: We want to give you an important programming note. Jake Tapper interviews Hillary Clinton this afternoon on "The Lead." That's at 4:00 Eastern only right here on CNN.

BOLDUAN: That's all for us. I think that was enough.

BERMAN: Yes. LEGAL VIEW with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.

BOLDUAN: Thanks for joining us.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to LEGAL VIEW.

Our breaking news is the latest extraordinary moment in the 2016 race for president. And, yes, it comes courtesy of Donald Trump, who has released never before seen details and dollar amounts from his January fundraiser for veterans, all the while absolutely excoriating the press for having the audacity to ask questions about his many conflicting claims about that event and so many others. You're going to have to listen to it for yourself to really appreciate how broad this was. Take a look.

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JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: To follow up on that, you keep calling us the dishonest press, the disgusting press -

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, generally speaking that's 100 percent true. Go ahead.

ACOSTA: I disagree with that, sir, and if I can ask you this question, it seems as though you're resistant to scrutiny, the kind of scrutiny that comes with running for president of the United States. You're saying your -

TRUMP: I like scrutiny. But you know what, when I raise money -

ACOSTA: (INAUDIBLE) veterans -

TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me, I've watched you on television, you're a real beauty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So to follow up a little bit on what Jim was saying, you do realize that when the Democrats are out there raising questions about this money, the press is also reflecting what your opposition is saying about you. It's not just us throwing questions at you, because it's coming from some of them. You do know -

TRUMP: I don't mind it coming from the opposition though, Carl. What I do mind is when I raise all of these millions, and when we started out, nobody ever thought it was going to be over $5 million or close to -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But - but what you're doing is you're answering the questions now that we had back then. It was just a question.

TRUMP: All right, so -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is a question an attack?

TRUMP: All right, so, look, here's the story. Here's the story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is a question an attack?

TRUMP: I think, and I've been dealing with the press a long time, I think the political press is among the most dishonest people that I've ever met. I have to tell you that, OK. I'm not looking for credit. But what I don't want is when I raise millions of dollars, have people say, like this sleazy guy right over here from ABC, he's a sleaze, in my book.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

TRUMP: You're a sleaze because you - you know the facts and you know the facts well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump is doing this for the heart. You're all focused on the way he's raising money. And you're not looking at the 22 veterans that are killing each other every day. You're not concerned about the thousands of veterans that are on wait lists. Look at his plan on his - Trump's website. He talks about medical costs. He talks about fixing the VA. He talks about competition. I think the liberal media - and I've been dealing with you a long time - you need to get your head out of your butt, focus on the real issues.

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BANFIELD: All right. So let's focus on the real issues. Star panel with me. I want to bring in CNN's Jim Acosta. You saw him ask one of those first questions and you saw the reaction from Donald Trump. He is the senior White House correspondent for CNN and covered that press conference live. Also with us, CNN's chief political correspondent Dana Bash and our executive editor for CNN politics, Mark Preston. Dylan Byers (ph) is going to join us shortly. Drew Griffin is also going to join us shortly.

First to you, Jim Acosta.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Sure.

BANFIELD: That was a, I think - I think that my colleague said it best when she said, that just happened. That was an extraordinary news conference.

ACOSTA: Yes.

BANFIELD: Less about the headline, which is Donald Trump raised, I think it was $5.4 million for vets, which is phenomenal, but more about this consternation - or 5.6, rather. More about this consternation that the press dared to ask him any questions about it since it's been four months. Walk me through what the mood was like in that room.

ACOSTA: Well, it was a real beauty of a press conference, you could say, Ashleigh. Yes, you saw what I think is vintage Donald Trump today. We've been out on the campaign trail for many months now and this is a standard part of his shtick at almost every really. He goes after the press as the dishonest media or the disgusting news media, that we're liars, he tends to single out the political press more than the other members of the news media.

But at the same time, at his rallies, he'll also talk about how great the polls are, which are also conducted by news organizations. So I think the moral of the story here that you can draw from this news conference is that when Donald Trump gets news coverage he doesn't like, he goes on the attack.

And this has been going on for several months now. I think it's been building for several months now. You know, he said back in January that he raised $6 million for veterans groups. The questions began there. Where is this money coming from? Who is receiving this money? There were veterans groups out there themselves questioning where was this money going. And so, you know, in just the last couple of weeks, Corey Lewandowski, the campaign manager, came out in "The Washington Post" and CNN and other news outlets, well, it was not $6 million. It was somewhere between $4 million and $5 million. And then Donald Trump contradicted his own campaign manager.

[12:05:19] And so it's difficult for the news media not to ask questions when there are questions to be asked. And, quite honestly, over the last several months, you've had a presidential candidate skip a debate and raise money for veterans groups instead. It's only natural that the news media, the members of the news media, are going to ask questions. But, you know, I don't know if we want to get all too revved up about Donald Trump attacking members of the news media. We all have thick skin. This comes with our job. But to go after Tom Llamas from ABC and saying he's sleazy and is a sleaze, that just goes beyond the pale. But as you saw during this news conference, Donald Trump was asked a question, is this what a White House news briefing would be like, you know, when President Obama comes into the Briefing Room and takes questions from the press?

BANFIELD: Exactly. And that's my point. That's my point, Jim.

ACOSTA: And he said, yep, that's pretty much what it's going to be. That's right.

BANFIELD: I know you have a thick skin. I know you've been -

ACOSTA: (INAUDIBLE) critics -

BANFIELD: You've been called any number of names in the book, as have I. Just go look at the Twitter right now.

ACOSTA: Sure.

BANFIELD: Cnnashleigh. Trust me. But that's not the point. The point is that I said it yesterday, I'll say it again today, if you look at the last eight years, hell, look at all of the administrations in the past, the scrutiny is exhaustive. That's what it's like to be president. The scrutiny on every single move is exhaustive. And that's what a person needs to deal with, even before reaching that office.

ACOSTA: That's right.

BANFIELD: So that's why - and, by the way, as you just mentioned, I actually want to give some - some -

ACOSTA: I think it was tactical, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Without question. I think you're absolutely right.

ACOSTA: I think it was tactical. I just want to mention that it - I think some of it's tactical to push back. He pushes back on the questions and the tax returns almost in the same way he pushes back on the questions about the veterans groups.

BANFIELD: Yes.

ACOSTA: Some of it's tactical. It's to delay things to put off some of these questions until they get their ducks in a row, quite honestly. And I think we saw some of that frustration boil over with Donald Trump today.

BANFIELD: OK, ducks in a row. I'm going to give some props to my colleague, Carol Costello, whose team put together the timeline, which lent itself to the questions, it's why this became an issue for the press. The timeline in the last four months since January 29th, when this event actually happened, we were told in January by Donald Trump he raised $6 million flat out and he's used that in almost every campaign stop publicly. Today he said he wanted to keep it all private, but he has said it over and over dozens of times. And then after that, the campaign actually revised it to $5 million and then Trump said he contributed an additional $1 million. And then in May, "The Washington Post" said that Corey Lewandowski revised that figure down to $4.5 million. And then - and then we were told by the campaign, actually CNN told that number was incorrect.

So just a few days ago, Mr. Trump said again that he raised almost $6 million. Last week he gave his own $1 million. That's last week. He gave his own $1 million last week. Almost four months after the event. And this is what gave rise to all of the questions and the scrutiny.

I want to bring in Dana Bash, if I can, and Mark Preston.

Mark, just so we're really clear, is this a liberal sided press that is attacking him on this vets issue and the money, or is it broad and wide, the people who have come in asking questions about where's the money, where did it go, how much was it? Is it true what you say every day on the campaign trail?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Ashleigh, no question it is the latter and certainly not the former. Now, let's unpack this because this is a very complicated situation where I think Donald Trump was in a position to capitalize on something and go very far with it. And, in fact, he has decided to take on the media, which is an absolute mistake because he doesn't want to necessarily do that.

A couple of things. One, he said, Ashleigh, that he didn't want any credit for it. However, I was at that fundraiser out in Iowa when he decided not to go to the Fox debate. Let's all remember, this was all about skipping a political event that he felt he was not going to be treated fairly at. So in order to deflect his decision not to go to that debate, he decided to hold this fundraiser. He made a lot to do about it. And, yes, we should give him credit for the money he's been able to raise. It is phenomenal what he has been able to do.

However, it was all based on politics. And to say otherwise at this point would be disingenuous. The second thing is, though, is that Donald Trump decided to take on the media at this point because he doesn't feel like they are treating him well. It's actually not a very good strategy to the point the question was asked to him, Ashleigh, do you have a thick enough skin to run for president and he deflected on that question himself. So, as he said, this is going to be a very long summer if he is going to be combative with the press whenever he's questioned on anything that he doesn't feel like answering.

BANFIELD: I'm racking up that sound bite as we speak, Mark Preston, because I thought it was the most poignant sort of buttoning up off that press conference when the wide shot came out and you saw the whole press corps, you saw Donald Trump out - after all of that very contentious back and forth, he was asked, is this what we can expect from you for the next several months. And I'm going to play that in a moment, but not before asking Dana Bash, what Mark just said is critical here. $5.6 million is not scratch.

[12:10:18] DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: No.

BANFIELD: That is a lot of money. BASH: It is.

BANFIELD: That is a hell of a lot of money for the veterans.

BASH: It is.

BANFIELD: And that's probably why there were veterans stationed right behind him, one of them taking to the mike to say, how dare you ask questions. Look what he's doing. It is true. That is awesome. But at the same time, I am curious about the strategy. Two questions. The strategy of raising money for veterans, is that a winning strategy for him given the fact that the way he's raised the money has caused so much consternation among other veterans?

BASH: It should be. It should be. There's no losing, no matter how he got there, there is no losing in helping raise $5.6 million for veterans. This should be a very, very good news day for Donald Trump. You know, he should be basking in it, he should be touting it, and, instead, as we have been talking about, he blamed the press, the very group as a body that helped to make sure that the information and the details of all of this money kind of came to be made it happen. You know, he's not happy about being questioned. That's just the bottom line. And it's unfortunate from the perspective of the Trump campaign because, as we've been saying, $5.6 million is a very, very good thing. It is an apolitical objective thing to say. It is a very good thing for the press. And just one thing - I mean for the - for the veterans.

One thing I will say in my answer to your question of Mark, Ashleigh, about whether or not it's a liberal thing to get questioned, if Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other politician had a big rally and skipped a presidential debate and said, I'm going to do this because I'm going to raise money for veterans, you bet, you bet we would all be on top of them, particularly our investigative reporters like Drew Griffin at CNN. To figure out, what money did you -

BANFIELD: Right, who follow Veterans Affairs like no other, right, Dana?

BASH: Right. What money did you raise? Where is it going? Give us the details.

BANFIELD: And who was instrumental in breaking open the Veterans Affairs problems because of his dogged questions on the administration.

BASH: Right. It is not a liberal thing. It is the fourth (ph) of state (ph). It is our job.

BANFIELD: This is why we have (INAUDIBLE).

BASH: And it is why the - a free press was a fundamental thing when our Constitution was created. This is the reason why.

BANFIELD: Yes. Very frustrating. And let's just repeat it again. As frustrating as that news conference was, especially for journalists, $5.6 million has been announced as raised. And it was one week ago that Donald Trump, four months after the fact, signed his own check and then held it up today saying he wanted it all to be private. I just don't understand that comment.

Last quick comment, Dana.

BASH: But - well, I just want to actually add one thing, because I agree with what Jim Acosta said, that we all have very thick skin. We have all been hit before. We have all been called dishonest in some way, shape, or form. Not just by Donald Trump, but by other people. As you said, your Twitter feed is filled with it.

It's not about us. It really isn't. It is about asking the questions and making sure the answers are out there. And then politically, just raw politics here, I also agree with Jim that it is very much tactical. The press, as a whole, we are not a popular bunch and we are easy targets, just as Washington is an easy target. Any institution these days is an easy target which is part of what has been fueling Donald Trump's rise because he is kind of - he's been able to run so successfully as an outsider. So there's no question it was tactical as it was, I think, genuinely emotional for him the way he responded.

BANFIELD: Yes.

BASH: Even again, even on a day where the story should be, at the end of the day, a good one for him and his campaign.

BANFIELD: Yes. I mean if choosing to not be a lap dog gets you the label of sleaze, sign me up. And I know that there's a bunch of us who would agree we can take that label any day, but we're not going to stop doing the job.

Thank you so much, Jim Acosta. You are a beauty, but for different reasons, I will say that. Dana Bash, thank you as well.

ACOSTA: Thank you.

BANFIELD: And Mark Preston, for your perspective, appreciate it.

ACOSTA: (INAUDIBLE).

BANFIELD: Fact check true.

OK, so I don't know if you knew this, but at 12:00 there was a big document dump that was happening and it had to do with Donald Trump, but not about the vets, about Trump University. So the question needs to be asked, what about this news conference and what happened? Is it overshadowing another case? There are three cases that Donald Trump is facing right now about Trump U. So we're going to look into that in a moment.

Then later today, Hillary Clinton is going to join Jake Tapper. She's going to be live with reaction to Donald Trump's attacks during that news conference that happened last hour. Donald Trump said that woman on your screen has never done anything for the vets. I think there's several vets would say otherwise. We'll have someone on later to challenge that notion as well. But make sure you stay tuned because Jake Tapper's got Hillary Clinton live, 4:00 p.m. Eastern.

[12:15:06] If you want to, check out that CNN Ashleigh Twitter and it will prove that we do have thick skins. Back after this.

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BANFIELD: If you missed it, you missed a doozy. Donald Trump held a news conference to give the full accounting of the money that he raised at his January 29th veterans fundraiser. He has said all along, in almost every campaign stop he raised $6 million and he has said all along he himself put in a million dollars. His check wasn't signed and delivered until last week. And the accounting hasn't come until today. And officially it is $5.6 million. That is a lot of money. And it is quite a strategy as well to raise money for veterans while you're campaigning. It might also be considered a strategy to go after the media and demonize them for even asking about charitable contributions and the way and how and the timing of the raising of that money.

And that's what you're about to see. Here is one of the question and answer moments in this news conference that may just define what you're about to see over and over and over again until November. Have a look.

[12:20:03] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think you've set a - a new bar today for being contentious with the press corps, kind of calling us losers to our faces and all that. Is this -

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. No, not all of you, just many of you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Fine. Enough of us. Is this what -

TRUMP: Not you, David.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this - is this what it's going to be like covering you -

TRUMP: Yes, it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you're president?

TRUMP: Yes, it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It - we're going to have this (INAUDIBLE) in the press room?

TRUMP: Let me tell you something. I'm - I'm the person - OK, yes, it is going to be like this, David. If the press writes false stories, like they did with this, because, you know - half of you were amazed that I raised all of this money. If the press writes false stories, like they did where I wanted to keep a low profile - I didn't want the credit for raising all this money for the vets. I wasn't looking for the credit. And, by the way, more money is coming in. I wasn't looking for the

credit. But I had no choice but to do this because the press was saying I didn't raise any money for them. Not only didn't I raise it, much of it was given a long time ago. And there is a vetting process. And I think you understand that.

But when I raise almost $6 million and probably, in the end, will raise more than 6, because more is going to come in, and is coming in, but when I raise $5.6 million as of today, more is coming in and I - and this is going to phenomenal groups. And I have many of these people vetting the people that are getting the money and working hard. And then we have to read story - probably libelous stories, or certainly close, in the newspapers and the people know the stories are false. I'm going to continue to attack the press.

Look, I find the press to be extremely dishonest. I find the political press to be unbelievably dishonest. I will say that.

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BANFIELD: And that is pretty much how the entire news conference went. But, again, $5.6 million is the accounting that's now been officially released from Donald Trump. That money going to veterans causes. And he listed out all of the different veterans groups and how much they're exactly getting.

One fact check though. When Donald Trump says he was trying to keep a low profile on this money-raising event, it was a massive public event in place of appearing at the debate. And then afterwards, no fewer than probably several dozen times on the campaign trail, he has brought that up, that he's been raising millions of dollars. $6 million has been continuously cited for these veterans groups because of that charity and that he himself has raised a million. So it's not true to say that he's been trying to keep a low profile. This has been his - one of his biggest public talking points all along the campaign trail.

And I want to bring in now from Los Angeles, Dylan Byers, CNN's senior media reporter for media and politics. He joins me now live to talk about the reaction from several of these news organizations because, I mean, everybody kind of got a hit there. CNN got a hit. ABC got a hit. CBS got a hit. What are you hearing?

DYLAN BYERS, CNN SENIOR MEDIA AND POLITICS REPORTER: Right. Well, what we're hearing is obviously a lot of backlash from reporters and a lot of reporters, look, who have been dealing with Donald Trump's attacks for ten months now and it's sort of hitting a head. I mean I think at a certain point they want to know, you know, how long can this go on and, as you saw that question from that ABC reporter, is this really going to be the nature of your general election campaign? Are you going to continue to just come out and criticize the press with these sort of vague notions that the press is unfair or dishonest without any evidence to back up that accusation?

And, you know, you look here, this is a completely legitimate line of inquiry. If you say you are raising money for veterans, you need to be held accountable to that. And I think you know and I know that when Donald Trump says he's trying to keep it low profile, that that's a joke. There's nothing Donald Trump does that he tries to keep low profile. And what he's doing today is he's try to take a bad day, a day in which there's this question about the money that he's raised for vets, and there are also questions about Trump University, and he's turning the headlines into Trump attacks the media. Any day that he comes out and makes the story about him attacking the dishonest, you know, Washington media, or beltway media, that is a victory for him, at least among the members of his base who don't put a whole lot of stock in what we say anyway.

BANFIELD: So I just want to read out a tweet real quickly from Tom Llamas from ABC News, who said, "Trump just called me a sleaze. Should be an interesting week." Wondering if it's just going to be the week or if, as Trump said, yes, this is the way it's going to be with the press for the next several months.

Beyond the media attacks, Donald Trump just gave a detailed and combative accounting of the fundraiser for the veterans that he hosted back in January on the eve of the Iowa caucuses. At the time, that upstart candidate claimed that he'd raised the $6 million, but that number continued to morph back and forth over time, from the campaign itself. And it's never really been clear exactly which groups received money and how much, or if it was $6 million. But let's begin with the vets and the facts and the figures Trump is putting out four months after the fact. Have a look.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have raised a tremendous amount of money for the vets. Almost $6 million. And more money is going to come in, I believe, over the next little while too. But I've raised almost $6 million. All of the money has been paid out. And I'm going to give it to you in a second. In fact, I brought a list just in case that question was asked. But the money has been paid out.

[12:25:18] I have been thanked by so many veterans groups throughout the United States. One gentleman called me up recently crying that out of the blue he got a check for $100,000. But I have been thanked by so many groups, great veterans groups. And, by the way, outside you have a few people, they're picketing. They're sent there by Hillary Clinton and they're picketing that the money wasn't sent. The money has all been sent.

I wanted to keep it private. If we could, I wanted to keep it private because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets. But I have to say this, I raised close to $6 million. It will probably be over that amount when it's all said and done. But as of this moment, it's $5.6 million. When it started, this started with a speech in Iowa when I said, let's raise some money for the vets. And it went up from $1 million to $2 million to $3 million. And it now ends up to be almost $6 million. And, again, I think we can even do better than that.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BANFIELD: So to be clear with the facts, Donald Trump announced $5.6 million and said that the money's still continuing to come in. It could end up being more than $6 million.

If there's anyone who knows about veterans and charities, it's CNN's senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin.

I have lauded your work for years because you do phenomenal work. You and your team were responsible for breaking open the disasters at the V.A. and changes actually happened and secretaries actually changed. So you have had a profound impact on effective government because of the questions that you asked. I want your reaction to Donald Trump and the opposition to the press for daring, daning (ph) to ask questions about money.

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, this is part of what we do and part of what we do also results in us getting called sleaze bags all the time.

BANFIELD: How's your Twitter.

GRIFFIN: Just never so publicly. I mean if you were over at the V.A., if they were honest right now, they hate my guts. And the same is true at the White House. And behind the scenes, they like to call CNN and CNN executives and say this guy's out of control. We get this from all sides. I've never seen anything so publicly like this. It harkens back to the day of my youth with maybe Spiro Agnew or something like that. But -

BANFIELD: Nixon was pretty contentious as well with the press.

GRIFFIN: Pretty contentious as it - as it went on. But to be this outraged that the press would actually try to do just simple math with a fundraiser that should have been a 100 percent positive for you and your campaign is somewhat astounding -

BANFIELD: I've got to say, I was shocked at the invective that he used.

GRIFFIN: And along the way almost every single time he mentioned that he raised $6 million. Every single time we asked him, where's the proof?

BANFIELD: Where's proof?

GRIFFIN: And it's just simple question that you get in the press all the time in Washington, D.C., that he better be prepared for if he thinks he's going there.

BANFIELD: Let me ask you something about vetting, because if there's one thing you do, you vet like crazy. You ask a million questions to find out who these organizations are.

GRIFFIN: Right.

BANFIELD: And, again, props to Carol Costello and her team because they spoke to a group called Liberty House. And Liberty House is a veterans group that got the call from Donald Trump and they said they've got $100,000 but they said the vetting process was two questions and that the conversation was two minutes. And in the news conference, Donald Trump was asked if any of the veterans groups had to provide their tax returns. And he said, no, that's not necessary. And as an investigative correspondent, is a two-minute conversation with two questions and no tax returns an appropriate vetting? And would it take four months to do that?

GRIFFIN: No, this is how we do it. We go to the tax returns first. Then we ask the questions.

BANFIELD: Tax returns are number one.

GRIFFIN: Tax returns are number one for a charity investigation because what you're looking at is how much money that specific charity is spending on fundraising, administration costs, overhead, and then lastly, on actual good deeds. And what you see in a lot of bad charities is, we just had one last month of a - last week of that charity. They gave - they raised $8 million. Less than 2 percent of the money went to anything good. Most of it goes to professional fundraisers.

So if you don't begin with that tax form, that's a bad way to vet. I was very surprised to hear that, that he's basically seems like he's vetting through word of mouth and just the trustworthiness of various groups. Having said that, I will tell you, the group that got the lion's share, Marine Corps and Law Enforcement Foundation, I did look at their 990s, a very spectacular group. They give almost all if not even more, because they're in debt in some cases, money to the children of fallen Marines and fallen federal law enforcement officers. That is a very, very good charity.

BANFIELD: And I know that this has only happened within, you know, the hour, so you're still vetting a number of the organizations.

GRIFFIN: Right.

[12:30:00] BANFIELD: To just take a look. And, folks, I know, it's easy to hate the press. We all do at times.