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Donald Trump on the Defensive Over Trump University; Latest CNN Poll Shows Tight Race Between Clinton and Trump; Brexit Vote Expected in Three Weeks; Investigators Have Detected Signals From EgyptAir Flight 804; The Life of Yusuf Abdi Ali; Protests in Brazil Over Unpunished Rapists; IOC and WHO Reject Calls to Delay Rio Olympics. Aired 12-1a ET
Aired June 02, 2016 - 00:00 ET
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[00:00:10] JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: This is "CNN NEWSROOM," live from Los Angeles. Ahead this hour --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: the next president of the United States, Mr. Donald J. Trump!
ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: The Trump show arrives in Sacramento. The Republican Frontrunner just wrapping up his latest campaign stop in California and stepping up his attacks on Hillary Clinton.
VAUSE: Potential breakthrough in the search for EgyptAir passenger jet. Searchers say they've picked up signals from one of the black boxes.
SESAY: And meet a former Somali military commander accused of war crimes, including torture and mass executions, now working as a security guard at an American airport.
VAUSE: Hello, everybody; great to have you with us. We'd like to welcome our viewers all around the world. I'm John Vause.
SESAY: And I'm Isha Sesay; NEWSROOM L.A. starts right now.
Donald Trump is on the defensive against a barrage of damning new revelations about his now-defunct Trump University. The Republican Presidential Candidate has just wrapped up a campaign rally in Sacramento, California.
VAUSE: He's trying to fend off claims from former students and teachers that the University was a scam, targeting the elderly and poor, and Democrat Hillary Clinton pounced on the allegations.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is just more evidence that Donald Trump himself is a fraud.
[Cheers and Applause]
CLINTON: He is trying to scam America the way he scammed all those people at Trump U. It's important that we recognize what he has done, because that's usually a pretty good indicator of what he will do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Now Trump has defended the so-called business school, blaming an unfair judge in one of several fraud lawsuits. He didn't mention this in Sacramento; instead, he was taking aim at Hillary Clinton.
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DONALD TRUMP (R) REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary is not a talented person. In fact, she's a person with absolutely no natural talent. All you have to do is watch her speak. Have you ever noticed even for a minor speech she has teleprompters? Do I have teleprompters here? No; but she's got like these minor speeches, and she's going, and I saw this a couple of times, you know, four words. We're going to win in the north, south, east and west. ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.
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SESAY: Well, all this comes as the latest CNN poll shows a tight race for the presidency, with Hillary Clinton at 45-percent and Donald Trump, as you see there, 43-percent.
VAUSE: CNN's Paul Vercammen is in Sacramento this hour. He's covering the Trump rally. Paul, it seems Trump certainly not shying away from taking on Hillary Clinton.
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT, via satellite: Oh, absolutely not, John and Isha. In fact, he was blasting away with both barrels, much to the delight of the crowd. Let's take a listen to just another one of the comments he had during this rally he had just north of Sacramento.
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TRUMP: she's one of the worst Secretaries of State in the history of our country; now she wants to be our president. Look, I'll be honest, she has no natural talent to be president. This is not a president. They talk about me. Actually, a lot of people think I look extremely presidential, you want to know the truth --
[Cheers and Applause]
TRUMP: -- but do you really believe that Hillary is presidential? this is not presidential material.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VERCAMMEN: And another one of his targets tonight, California Governor Jerry Brown. To many Californians he's the symbol of liberalism, the four-time governor, UC Berkley undergrad, and, right here in Sacramento, the state capitol, Donald Trump also taking a shot at Jerry Brown.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: I know Jerry Brown. Hey, I know Jerry Brown.
[Booing]
TRUMP: Who likes Jerry Brown? Anybody like Jerry Brown?
[Booing]
TRUMP: Because he just endorsed Hillary. He said, I want Crooked Hillary! I want that crook to run my country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VERCAMMEN: And if you look behind me, the last of the officers have left, right behind me. This event taking place inside here.
We should note that the heat might have been a factor today. It was extremely hot, even in the evening. The breeze has kicked up, but it was 97 degrees, and as the sunset in the west it was shining off this corrugated metal and many people who were inside said they felt like it was well over 100 degrees here, and that might explain why Trump did not have a long, [00:05:01] extended rally as he has with some others; John and Isha?
SESAY: Paul Vercammen, good to have you with us. Just very briefly, any scenes of any kind of unrest? I know in the past few days, when we've had Trump events, there have been clashes between pro and anti- Trump folks. Did you see anything like that this time around?
VERCAMMEN: No; all is tranquil right now, Isha and John. It was not like at all what we saw last Friday, for example, in San Diego where it devolved into chaos. Multiple arrests, in fact, down right violent at times.
This was extremely well organized and effectively there was a mote here because this airport is far north of Sacramento and nobody who perhaps was downtown and was an agitator, as we saw in San Diego, could walk here. So the sheriff's department got here in force, the highway patrol, and they walled off, very effectively, they walled off the anti-Trump demonstrators from the 5,000 or so Trump supporters who entered the rally. Back to you.
SESAY: All right; Paul Vercammen.
VAUSE: I wonder who paid for the wall. Okay, Paul Vercammen, live. Thank you.
SESAY: Thank you.
[Laughter]
SESAY: Now U.S. President Obama is taking a few shots at Donald Trump, without actually mentioning his name.
VAUSE: During a televised town hall on the American network PBS, Mr. Obama weighed in on the insults and abuse which have been a hallmark of the Republican primary campaign so far.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Some of the boundaries that used to be there, for how you debated ideas, have broken down. What happens is that politicians get the most attention the more outrageous they sound; and so if you're civil and quiet and polite, nobody covers you, but if you say something crazy or rude, you're all over the news and that has fed, I think, this kind of arms race of insults and controversy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: We have more now on those explosive allegations from former employees at Trump University, including allegations students are pressured to max out their credit cards or use their retirement savings to pay for high-priced seminars.
SESAY: The claims are made in court documents which have now been unsealed. CNN's Senior Investigative Correspondent, Drew Griffin, has details.
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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Trump University preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. That is the declaration of Ronald Shneckenberg, sales manager at Trump University from October 2006 through May of 2007. Shneckenberg says that's when he quit, "because I believed that Trump University was engaging in misleading, fraudulent and dishonest conduct."
Shneckenberg even cites an example of a couple he thought couldn't afford a $35,000 elite program he was supposed to sell them because of their precarious financial condition. He writes, the couple "would have had to pay for the program using disability income and taking out a loan based on the equity in his apartment." He refused to make the sale, he says, and was reprimanded by Trump University. Then he stood by as another salesperson talked them into buying the $35,000 seminar. "I was disgusted," he wrote.
Connie Sommer, a sales event manager, for six months at the school, said instructors used high-pressure sales techniques, no matter the financial situation of the students. "I recall that some consumers showed up
who were homeless and could not afford the seminars," she writes, "yet I heard Trump University representatives telling them, it's okay, just max out your credit card."
The declarations just released are part of an ongoing class action lawsuit, one of three lawsuits claiming the school was a fraud.
Trump's defense so far? The declarations will be disputed in court. And on the campaign trail. Trump holds up high approval ratings for his school while individually attacking his former students who have sued him. TRUMP: So you have this guy Bob Guillo who appeared in TV attack ads even though he rated the programs a five, meaning excellent, the top mark, across the board.
GRIFFIN: This is Bob Guillo.
BOB GUILLO, FORMER STUDENT, TRUMP UNIVERSITY: It was a scam from the start.
GRIFFIN: He says he was suckered into a $35,000, worthless Trump University real estate course, by a motivational speaker; and yes, at that moment he did give that instructor a five out of five.
GUILLO: And the reason we did that was that, at every one of these retreats the instructors would say, your certificate of accomplishments are waiting for you in the back of the room, but you first have to fill out a [00:10:01] questionnaire; and guys, I want Donald Trump to invite me
back to New York to teach more of these retreats. So please be kind; give me the highest rating possible.
GRIFFIN: Did you think it would get this nasty?
GUILLO: When you take a little guy like me, why not be nasty against me? What can I do to Donald Trump? Facsimile signature of Donald Trump.
Drew Griffin, CNN, New York.
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VAUSE: And Hillary Clinton is expected to target Donald Trump in what's called a major foreign policy speech here in California.
SESAY: Her address in San Diego, a city with several military bases, is expected to cast Trump as a foreign policy lightweight and security threat. Clinton is kicking off a five state campaign swing in the state.
We are only about three weeks away now from the crucial vote in Britain on whether the country should leave the European Union.
VAUSE: And with that in mind, the camp which advocates a British exit is pushing a tough new immigration policy. CNN's International Diplomatic Editor, Nic Robertson, has details.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well there are several reasons why the Leave campaign is targeting immigration. They feel that this is David Cameron, the Remain campaign's Achilles heel. Why is that? Well, you can look at it this way as well: the government, David Cameron, has sort of won the argument, the economic argument, of reasons to stay in the European Union; that if we remain there are uncertainties. That generally seems to be accepted by some people, persuaded some people (inaudible) the Remain campaign. On security, Britain's better off with its being part of the European
Union to counter terrorism, these sorts of issues; the government's sort of won on that.
But immigration is one where the Leave campaign feel that Cameron cannot win. Go back to the general election last year, where he said he would get
immigration down to tens of thousands. Right now the latest statistics show that it's 330,000 immigrants in the past year, about 184,000 of those from the European Union. So when the Leave campaign proposes a system to control immigration by this point system that limits the number of people that can come to Britain, that allows only those that come for jobs, who are qualified for the jobs, that are able to speak good English; they are trying to control the flow of immigrants.
For a lot of people here, the number of immigrants coming into the country sort of correlates in their mind, particularly those who want to leave. They kind of see the number of immigrants as making it hard for them to get seen, when they go to hospital. They can't get their kids into the school they want to. They think this leads to higher unemployment. So these are touchstone heartfelt issues for people.
This is the vote of a lifetime. It is a generational issue, with huge implications; and it's on that issue of immigration that the Leave campaign think they can do most damage to David Cameron, and, of course, on top of that, it's a challenge to his leadership as well.
Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
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VAUSE: Well, train travel against France is turning into a snarled mess because of a rail workers strike. About half of the country's train services were reportedly canceled on Wednesday, and this action could potentially impact millions of travelers heading to the Euro 2016 Futbol Tournament later this month.
SESAY: The walkout is the latest in a series of moves against post- labor reform bill that gives employers more flexibility to hire and fire workers, and weakens the power of unions.
VAUSE: Well searchers in the Mediterranean may be closer to finding out what caused EgyptAir 804 to crash.
SESAY: French investigators say crews have detected signals from one of the planes data records, so called black boxes. Now they'll work to pin point exactly where the pings are coming from in hopes of finding the boxes and the plane wreckage.
VAUSE: This appears to be a lucky break for search crews. The French ship Laplace, which picked up the signal, had only recently reached the crash zone, and the emergency locator transmitter was still working.
David Soucie is a CNN Safety Analyst and former FAA Safety Inspector and he joins us now. David, good to have you with us. What are the chances that this could be a false alarm and the signal could be something else?
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST, via satellite: Well, we should remember with MH 370, when the Malaysia Airline was lost, the same thing happened. The ship came into the area, within only a few short hours picked up these same pings. So it is possible it is a misping, something coming from another device. The last time, with MH 370, it had come from a fishing net, an illegal fishing net, and these were spotting pings that are very similar to the underwater locater beacon.
Now, I don't anticipate that being the problem, but until I hear it myself, I'm going to hold judgment.
VAUSE: Okay, how difficult -- you're assuming this is, in fact, the electronic locater, how difficult will it be to recover the flight data recorder if it's at a depth of around three kilometers, 10,000 feet or possibly even deeper?
SOUCIE: Well, if this is indeed the underwater locater beacon, chances are it still is attached to the flight data recorder. Now when it's at that [00:15:02] depth you have to be very cautious about how you retrieve it because those pressures, it's designed to take those pressures, but to make sure, just in case it had a leak or any water got inside, you have to maintain that pressure all the way to the surface. So you have to encase it in like a Plexiglas box. Put it into that box, maintain those pressures as you come up and slowly release those; kind of coming up out of a deep water dive as well.
VAUSE: Okay, we have one signal from one so-called black box. Would you expect the other black box to be there? Would they be together?
SOUCIE: They may be or they may not be. There are at different locations on the aircraft. In this one, the flight data recorder is in the rear of the aircraft and the voice data recorder is in the front of the aircraft.
So chances are they would be co-located, however, it still could be very difficult if the underwater locater beacon is only working on one device and not the other, it could be very challenging to find the one that's not
working.
VAUSE: Okay; let's assume they do find the boxes. How long before they can actually get to the data there, start piecing together what happened and will that information, once they get it, will it confirm or will it rule out a terrorist attack?
SOUCIE: The information's going to be very thorough. Now remember, with the flight data recorder, it's strictly the facts. It's strictly what happened. With the voice recorder, now that will give you how it happened because with that, you will be able to tell if some distress had happened inside the cockpit or if there was an explosion inside the cockpit. You might hear that explosion.
As you recall, we also had information from the ACARS system telling us that this happened over a small period of time, maybe a minute or two. So if the flight data recorder is found, we'll know very conclusively what happened to this airplane.
VAUSE: Okay; I guess the assumption too is that should they find the black boxes, that looks like it's on track to happen, they should get the precise location the next couple of days or so, then from that point they can work out where the rest of the wreckage would be, pretty much expected to be on the bottom of the ocean?
SOUCIE: Yes, absolutely. They have been doing extensive searches on top of the water, to see if there's any floating debris, but if the aircraft - if the underwater locator beacon and the flight data recorder is found, the crash site will be very close to that. The drift in that area, there were underwater currents that could drag it a certain amount in one distance or another to the rear or toward the forward of where the aircraft impacted; but at this point, it should be very closely located to where they find that black box.
VAUSE: Okay, David; good to speak with you. Thanks so much.
SOUCIE: All right; thank you.
VAUSE: Well, up next here on CNN, a deadly attack on a hotel in Somalia. Gunmen set off an explosion and then storm the building.
SESAY: Plus a major new front opens in the battle against ISIS in Syria, targeting a critical supply route.
VAUSE: Also, a CNN investigation finds an accused war criminal living right near the U.S. capitol, working in airport security.
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[00:20:14] VAUSE: The battle on ISIS is moving ahead quickly on a number of fronts. In northern Syria, thousands of fighters are trying to choke off the militant's access to land along the Turkish border.
SESAY: The so-called Manbij Pocket is part of a crucial supply line to the ISIS de facto capital in Raqqah. Reuters quotes a Kurdish source as saying ISIS on the West bank of the Euphrates River collapsed at the start of the campaign.
VAUSE: And Iraqi forces have Fallujah surrounded. They are expected to storm the city soon. The U.N. warns about 50,000 civilians are still trapped in the city and that ISIS is using hundreds of families as human shields. Experts believe ISIS has booby-traps, snipers and IED's waiting for any attack. Fallujah was the first Iraqi city to fall to ISIS in January 2014.
SESAY: And a Libyan brigade aligned with the U.N. backed government are reportedly advancing in a push to the ISIS stronghold in Sirte. Statements on social media say the brigade took control of a power station west of the city. A hospital spokesman tells Reuters ten men were killed and 40 were wounded in the fighting.
VAUSE: Now to Somalia, and al-Shabbat is claiming responsibility for a deadly attack at a popular hotel in Mogadishu. At least 13 people and three attackers were killed during the siege on Wednesday.
SESAY: Local media says two Somalia lawmakers are among the dead. It all began when attackers detonated a car packed with explosives at the gates of the hotel.
VAUSE: And Somali special forces say they have killed the man who planned last year's attack on Garissa University in Kenya. 148 people died when al-Shabbat militants stormed the school. A U.S. airstrike took out the terror groups intelligence chief just last week.
SESAY: Now a man accused of horrific war crimes in Somalia is now living a quiet life, with a good job, just outside of Washington, D.C.
CNN's Kyra Phillips tracked him down, trying to get some answers in this special investigation.
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bones are all that remain of ethnic clan members, slaughtered in a vicious civil war in the 1980s; evidence of the brutality carried out by the government regime in Somalia.
Now CNN has learned a former military commander accused of some of the worst atrocities is living in the United States, and working near our nation's capital.
His name is Yusuf Abdi Ali, also known as Colonel Tukeh. He and soldiers under his command are accused of terrorizing the Isaaq people, torturing them, burning their villages and carrying out mass executions.
In 1992, Somali locals told a Canadian documentary team what they experienced under Colonel Tukeh, a reign of terror.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, via translator: Two men were caught, tied to a tree. Oil was poured on them and they were burnt alive.
UNIDENTIFIED FREMALE, via translator: He caught my brother. He tied him to a military vehicle and dragged him behind. That's how he died.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see Tukeh do that with your own eyes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE, via translator: Yes, and there were many people around who saw it.
KATHY ROBERTS, LEGAL DIRECTOR, CENTER OF JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY: He oversaw some of the most incredible violence that you can imagine.
PHILLIPS: Kathy Roberts is an attorney for the Center of Justice and Accountability, a non-profit dedicated to bringing war criminals to justice. She's now representing an alleged torture victim in a lawsuit against Ali in civil court.
ROBERTS: He tortured people personally. He oversaw torture. PHILLIPS: But now Yusuf Abdi Ali lives in the United States, and we found him working at one of the nation's largest airports. He is a security guard at Dulles International.
Our camera captured him guarding a security exit. He even started a conversation with our producer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's your name?
YUSEF ABDI ALI, SECURITY GUARD, DULLES INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT: Ali.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?
ALI: Ali. Ali.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, Ali; okay. Yusuf Ali?
ALI: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you originally from?
ALI: Somalia.
PHILLIPS: A couple weeks later we approached him as left his apartment. Mr. Ali, I'm Kyra Phillips with CNN. I just wanted to ask you a couple questions about your time in Somalia, as Commander with the Fifth Brigade.
ALI: No can right now, but we'll go together with my lawyer and then I will talk to you. Let me have your card, business card. (Inaudible).
PHILLIPS: It's all baseless and false?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No comment at this time.
ALI: No comment.
PHILLIPS: What about violating immigration law, Mr. Ali, and lying about [00:25:02] your past, sir. Did you murder any innocent people in Somalia, sir? If none of it is true, then tell me none of it is true.
ALI: We go talk with my lawyer, I told you. I told you.
PHILLIPS: Now while Mr. Ali said he would talk to us, his attorney said no, insisting his client is innocent.
JOSEPH PETER DRENNAN, ATTORNEY, YUSUF ABDI ALI: How dare anyone call him a war criminal. Those are just allegations. If he is indeed a war criminal, take him to The Hague; or, if he's a war criminal, take it up with the immigration authorities. My client deserves to live in the United States, just as any other legal, permanent resident deserves to live in the United States.
PHILLIPS: But right now there is no criminal court in the world where Ali can be tried for war crimes, because the International War Crimes Court didn't even exist during Somalia's civil war. However, the U.S. Government says it's been aware of Ali for years, based upon allegations that he had been involved in human rights violations but wouldn't answer any of CNN's detailed questions.
I think it's really hard for the average viewer to listen to this and the fact that he is working in an airport that we all fly through on a regular basis.
ROBERTS: It's deeply disturbing in part, because that is a position of trust. He abused that authority terribly in Somalia. In my opinion, he should be in jail.
PHILLIPS: Ali ended up in the U.S. after being deported from Canada because of his past. He got a U.S. Visa through his wife, a Somali woman who became a U.S. citizen. Adding to the outrage, his wife was convicted of
immigration fraud for lying. She claimed she was a refugee from the same Somali clan Ali is accused of torturing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Our thanks to Kyra Phillips. After Kyra's report Ali is now on administrative leave and under investigation by his employer.
Up next, we'll talk to a scientist who is slamming the World Health Organization over the Zika virus and the Olympics. He says the W.H.O. is turning a blind eye to all of this because of money.
SESAY: Plus, a champion basketball player says he has major concerns over going to those games. See why Paul DeSaul says his decision is still up in the air.
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[00:31:04] VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. You're watching "CNN NEWSROOM" live from Los Angeles; I'm John Vause.
SESAY: And I'm Isha Sesay; the headlines this hour: campaigners who want Britain to leave the European Union have unveiled their immigration platform. They would control who could move to the U.K. The vote Leave Team says right now the flow of immigrants is putting a strain on public services. Britain's vote is a referendum on the issue in three weeks.
VAUSE: A rail worker strike in France is reportedly disrupting about half the country's train services. The walkout is a latest in a series of moves against a proposed labor reform bill. It would give companies more flexibility to hire and fire workers and weaken the power of the unions.
SESAY: German police say more than two dozen women reported they why sexually assaulted at a music festival near Frankfurt. Police arrest three Pakistani men in connection with the incident on Saturday. They say as many as ten men may have been involved and more victims may come forward.
VAUSE: Brazilians continue to flood the streets of Rio and San Paulo, outraged over what they say is a lack of punishment for rapists; this after more than 30 men allegedly gang raped a teenage girl in Rio de Janeiro and posted video of it on social media. The protesters say you mess with one you mess with us all.
SESAY: Well, we're learning that one of the two dead in Wednesday's murder- suicide at UCLA was an engineering professor. The police chief here says the shooting took place in the engineering building. Most classes are expected to resume Thursday. So far, police haven't released a motive.
VAUSE: The Zika virus is becoming an even bigger problem for the Olympic games in Rio.
SESAY: The two time NBA Champ, Pau Gasol, is now threatening to boycott the event because of his fears. He's been planning to represent Spain on its national basketball team, but says his decision is still up in the air.
VAUSE: Gasol usually plays for the NBA's Chicago Bulls. He says he's not just worried about his own well-being.
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PAU GASOL, BASKETBALL PLAYER, CHICAGO BULLS: Not just my health and the health of my family, but also the potential of the epidemic to spread around world; and we're seeing more and more cases. I think they're showing up. I think yesterday the first baby with Zika was reported born in the U.S., in New Jersey. So we see a lot more consequences from the Zika virus and I think that might continue to increase.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SESAY: Joining us now is professor Amir Attaran from the University of Ottawa. He joins us from Ottawa, Canada. Professor Attaran, it's good to speak to you once again.
The IOC and WHO have rejected the call made by you and more than 100 other health experts for the Rio Olympic Games to be postponed or move. WHO said in a statement "there is no public health justification for postponing or canceling the games." What is your response to that?
AMIR ATTARAN, PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH & LAW, UNIVESITY OF OTTAWA: The WHO bases that foolish guidance on a lack of science. WHO contextualized what they said by saying, look, Zika virus is found in 60 countries already. So, if you will, the horse has left the barn and you're too late. That is scientifically nonsense.
SESAY: All right; I want you to take a listen to what Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said about the call to postpone or move these games. Take a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, U.S. NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: There is so much travel between South America, Brazil and the rest of the world anyway, that to think you're going to have a substantial impact by canceling the Olympics, I don't think is scientifically based.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SESAY: There will be those at home watching our conversation, and they'll point to the competence of someone like Dr. Fauci, and they're wondering why they should believe your analysis versus his. What do you say to that?
[00:35:01] ATTARAN: Sure; well, it's not my analysis solely. As you know, Isha, I'm representing, now, the view expressed by over 200 health experts, from 35 countries, who've signed an open letter to WHO. You can say I'm wrong, but that leaves 199 people left who you also have to say are wrong, all of whom who are highly-trained physicians, Ph.D.'s, experts in public health, medicine, bioethics, and all that sort of thing. So there is more to it than Dr. Fauci is saying. I respect him enormously and this time he's just plain wrong.
SESAY: You've called, you and your colleagues, with this letter have called for a transparent advisory process of outside experts to decide wisely, as you put it, about Zika and the Olympics. Have you had any direct conversations with the WHO or IOC about that actually happening?
ATTARAN: Well, when the WHO and IOC got an open letter from 200 experts in 35 countries you think they would get in touch; but they haven't done so. That, I think, tells you something because the other thing is, they haven't come out and pointed to a single sentence or a single study cited in our open letter, to say it's erroneous, it's wrong. They simply denied the conclusions that we come to without pointing to a single error. That looks like organizations that are trying to hide from a conclusion, not ones that are trying to honestly discuss it.
SESAY: And last question to you now, WHO, IOC, they're on the same page it appears. They are proceeding with preparations, and these games are still on track to begin in August. So what is your next move?
ATTARAN: We don't know, because we are really scientists and we follow the evidence. We follow the data. When new scientific findings come, when new epidemiological numbers come, that's when we'll talk because we're not in this supported by any big money or any political movement or with an agenda apart from the agenda of science and truth; and we'll only speak when the science backs us. That's not true of the IOC. They have billions of dollars at stake, and their messages are all about saving that money and saving their prestige.
Unfortunately, the World Health Organization is compromised by it too, just this past weekend we heard the head of Zika, from the World Health Organization, say well, there's a huge investment at stake. What in someone in the World Health Organization doing worrying about investment? That's not his place. That's not WHO's place. Their place is to worry about global health; and I'm afraid right now, independent scientists and health experts are representing that better than WHO is itself.
SESAY: Professor Amir Attaran, it's great to speak to you. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective.
ATTARAN: Thank you.
SESAY: He said it's just wrong.
VAUSE: Yes, he made that point a number of times but he's been saying this for a while -
SESAY: Yes, he has; and he's not alone.
VAUSE: -- and others are now coming on board.
SESAY: So we shall see what happens in the days ahead because they're going to keep raising the alarm.
VAUSE: It's not moving; it's staying.
SESAY: No. All right; it's time for a quick break now. Donald Trump loves to call the media horrible, sleazy, disgusting, but as you'll see, that kind of language is apparently not what they teach you at Donald Trump University.
VAUSE: And, look, please don't touch. A little boy learned that lesson the hard way.
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[00:45:47] SESAY: When it comes to dealing with the media, Donald Trump might want to take a lesson from his own university.
VAUSE: The school's handbook had a lot of advice on the dos and don'ts, including be polite to reporters, but The Donald doesn't seem to practice what they were teaching at Trump U. Here's Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump is famous for knowing --
DONALD TRUMP (R) REPUBLICAN PRESIDENITAL CANDIDATE: Excuse me, sit down. You weren't called.
MOOS: -- how to handle the media --
TRUMP: The press should be ashamed of themselves. By the way, the world's most dishonest people are back there. Look at all the cameras going. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down.
MOOS: -- but maybe he should sit down and read his own Trump University Media Guidelines. The company playbook released by the court, included tips for dealing with the media, such as, expect to be scrutinized.
TRUMP: I like scrutiny, but, you know what? When I've raise money -- excuse me. Excuse me. I've watched you on television. You're a real beauty.
MOOS: Nowhere does it say on the list humiliate the press.
TRUMP: Even the horrible press, which is back - oh, look at all those people.
MOOS: Nowhere does it say treat the press with condescension.
TRUMP: Are you ready? Do you have your pad?
MOOD: But some of the actual media tips could be useful. Reporters are rarely on your side, and they are not sympathetic. And just as Trump excuses some Mexicans, --
TRUMP: They're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people.
MOOS: -- he also gives some reporters a pass.
TRUMP: Disgusting reporters, horrible people. Some are nice.
MKOOS: Now, from a reporter's point of view, the playbook's last media tip is our favorite. Remember, courtesy gets you a long way. The Donald definitely didn't read that one.
TRUMP: Like their sleazy guy over here, from ABC. He's a sleaze.
MOOS: Trump's harshest press insult?
TRUMP: They're scum, absolute scum. Remember that, scum.
MOOS: Okay; we'll try to remember.
TRUMP: Scum, Scum, Scum.
MOOS: Maybe The Donald needs to write up some new press guidelines. I'm here to take your compliments might be a good one. But it was Jimmy Fallon as Trump who pronounced The Donald's golden rule of media management.
JIMMY FALLON, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": The only one qualified to interview me is me.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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VAUSE: That was a very cool skit.
SESAY: Yes, it really way.
VAUSE: Okay; a $15,000 Lego sculpture, which took three days to build, was destroyed by a young boy in just a matter of seconds. This is what it looked like, a life-size statue of the fox from the Disney film "Zootopia."
SESAY: The artist documented his creation on social media, as he painstakingly built his masterpiece brick by brick. He put it on display in southern China, but within the first hour of that expo, all his hard work was wiped out when the boy -
VAUSE: Oh!
SESAY: -- he knocked it over, sending those Lego bricks flying. Reports say his parents apologized, and the artist didn't ask them to pay for the damage.
VAUSE: Well he can rebuild it.
SESAY: it took him three days and three nights.
VAUSE: He's got plenty of time. The worst thing will be stepping on all those Lego blocks, because that's what's really going to hurt.
SESAY: It's like when you put together a jigsaw puzzle and then whole thing comes apart; I mean, you're not going to do it again.
VAUSE: He's got plenty of time to do it again. We hope he does.
SESAY: Thank you for watching "CNN NEWSROOM," live from Los Angeles; I'm Isha Sesay.
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